I mentioned it in the chat thread a few weeks ago.
Wife rear ended the mail man's little truck in her car :facepalm: She's fine. It's her first accident though so she was a little shook up.
I've always hated her car. It's a 2012 Hyundai Tuscon, about 85k miles. It is somehow both one of the worst riding, and worst handling car I've ever driven. And that's not even the worst part. The steering is so bad, I can't imagine how that ever passed for production. It's one of the first electric steering racks for Hyundai. It's the heaviest steering, with the most aggressive snap back to center feel I've seen.
If you let go of the wheel mid corner, it snaps back so hard I wouldn't be surprised if it fishtailed the other way :wtf: It was an eye opening experience the first time I drove it.
Needless to say, we always take my car if we're going anywhere together. I can't stand driving that thing.
She did about $3700 in damage in the accident. $500 deductible and we get accident forgiveness I guess? So no increase in rates. Went to the repair shop today. We've thrown around the idea of getting her something else for awhile, but I think this accident put her over the top. She's over it, and wants something else.
Now the fun part. She doesn't really care much about what she drives. I get to pick it out for the most part, and then just show her to make sure it's fine before we pull the trigger.
We tossed around the idea of getting a 3 row for when kids happen, but we're still a ways off from needing something that big. So we've landed on a 2-row crossover of some sort. Will probably keep it 4-5 years then eventually get a 3 row vehicle.
Open to slightly used and new. Used prices are so close to new now for this segment, we'll probably stick to new (maybe a leftover 2018 if it's a model that hasn't changed?). Considered slightly used luxury, but I think fully loaded mainstreamers offer more bang for the buck. Here's what's I'm going to test drive:
- CX-5
- CR-V
- 2019 Rav4
- 2019 Sante Fe
- Forester
Thoughts? Am I missing anything? Will likely be in a near top level trim (Touring or Grand Touring on a CX-5, EX-L on a CR-V, etc). She pretty much only likes black as both the interior and exterior color, but she oddly really liked the new Adventure trim on the Rav-4 with the splash of orange inside and two tone roof.
Cx-5
I would definitely check car seat fitment on anything you buy. That might knock CX-5 out of the box immediately. I'd be weary of the Hyundai as well... you will probably hate life with the 2.4, and both the 4 bangers are related to the engines under massive recall. I just don't trust the company. Outside of that, list looks pretty solid given your requirements.
Man, if baby #2 happens I don't know what we're gonna do. I guess a 2 row would work, but we'd have to rent a van for trips with the dog. Something else to consider.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 14, 2019, 11:42:04 AM
I would definitely check car seat fitment on anything you buy. That might knock CX-5 out of the box immediately. I'd be weary of the Hyundai as well... you will probably hate life with the 2.4, and both the 4 bangers are related to the engines under massive recall. I just don't trust the company. Outside of that, list looks pretty solid given your requirements.
Man, if baby #2 happens I don't know what we're gonna do. I guess a 2 row would work, but we'd have to rent a van for trips with the dog. Something else to consider.
We have no dogs, and kid #1 isn't even on the way yet. We're alright for now :lol: Can your wife's SUV not handle car seats? I've heard this concern from a lot of people, but some are saying this class is totally fine for it.
Other option is a CX-9. Gives a little more room, but isn't full on school bus like a Pilot.
Honda Passport
Quote from: 2o6 on January 14, 2019, 11:48:01 AM
Honda Passport
Interesting. Any reason why? Just looks exactly like a Pilot with 6" cut off.
Quote from: MrH on January 14, 2019, 11:44:50 AM
We have no dogs, and kid #1 isn't even on the way yet. We're alright for now :lol: Can your wife's SUV not handle car seats? I've heard this concern from a lot of people, but some are saying this class is totally fine for it.
Other option is a CX-9. Gives a little more room, but isn't full on school bus like a Pilot.
It can, but with the seat adjusted for either of us it just barely fits safely (i.e. like 1" to spare). We could do 2 across the back w/o issue, and if the second one comes it will be after the first one transitions to front facing. But the dog complicates things. Not relevant I guess.
I know I just said I don't trust H/K but a loaded Sorento looks good on paper. Hella bells and whistles, old reliable V6, big enough that they squeezed a 3rd row in (that you should just keep folded) but decent sized.... same as the Santa Fe basically without the potentially problematic 2.0T
Quote from: MrH on January 14, 2019, 11:52:53 AM
Interesting. Any reason why? Just looks exactly like a Pilot with 6" cut off.
More legroom, and honestly a bigger car will be more comfortable
It's your money tho
Edge ST.
So,
The Honda 1.5T seems like they're still having issues with it, but tbh it's a new car under warranty so who cares.
The RAV4 looks undersized, to me.
The Santa Fe is cool, but I think it's using that 2.4GDI still which is unimpressive. Also, when I looked at a Kona a few weeks ago, Hyundai seemed downright uncompetitive with regards to lease or purchase deals.
The CX-5 is tight and gets pricey.
The Forester is under engined
You typically don't like GM cars, and the compact SUV's are kind of small.
Tiguan?
Quote from: FoMoJo on January 14, 2019, 12:01:04 PM
Edge ST.
I was going to suggest an MKX but I didn't want to sound biased. Ours has been dead reliable and drives well enough. Current one used will have bells and whistles (including collision alert :lol: ) and generally be a way nicer place to spend time than a mainstream compact
Another one on my window shopping short list.
I'd go with the Mazda!
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 14, 2019, 12:07:51 PM
I was going to suggest an MKX but I didn't want to sound biased. Ours has been dead reliable and drives well enough. Current one used will have bells and whistles (including collision alert :lol: ) and generally be a way nicer place to spend time than a mainstream compact
Another one on my window shopping short list.
I don't mind sounding biased. The new 8 speed tranny with either the 2.0 turbo or the 2.7 turbo engines make it very appealing. The extra width compared with the smaller CUVs also makes it much more comfortable sitting in. Basically same platform as the MKX, even the Discovery Sport, but not as refined, but not as expensive.
Forester Sport or Limited.
Compact CUVs (like the Cx5) are too small for anything but empty nesters
Find something midsized like the Edge
I don't think the Forester is anything special for those who don't plan on taking them on some fairly rough roads, and as Kevin said, they're somewhat under powered. You might consider an Outback since they're available with a bigger engine if Subaru appeals to you.
It seems pretty universally agreed that the CX-5 is the best to drive on the road.
Maybe add the Escape and/or Edge to your test drive list just to be thorough, and you might as well check out a Passport if you're already at the dealership for the CR-V. If nothing else, it's got a bigger engine and IMO, looks better.
I'd skip the Koreans, personally, but that's probably just my own bias.
The Cherokee isn't a bad car, but I'd be concerned about long term reliability and/or resale. It probably also doesn't do anything better than the competitors other than off road stuff (Trailhawk is best in class for off road). Nothing else from FCA or GM interests me, but again, that might just be my own biases.
CR-V and as just mentioned might as well take a look at the passport while there, and compare that to the new Rav-4. That would be my short list. CX-5 worth looking at but is too small imo.
Should have no problem with car seats in something CR-V sized, IMO.
CX-5.
I like the Subaru Outback better than the Forester. It's bigger and looks cool. The V6 engine gets pricey though so although the base engine is underpowered, it's fine for most people and most people who own Outbacks love them.
Quote from: veeman on January 14, 2019, 02:40:34 PM
I like the Subaru Outback better than the Forester. It's bigger and looks cool. The V6 engine gets pricey though so although the base engine is underpowered, it's fine for most people and most people who own Outbacks love them.
Yeah really the only downsides of the Outback are that they're slightly more expensive (may or may not matter to Mike) and slightly worse approach/departure/breakover angles (probably doesn't matter at all to Mike). And I guess the Forester probably has more floor-to-ceiling space, even though I think the Outback has more overall space.
$48,000 Equinox
The Forester I think would be best for Mike. Scratches he enthusiast itch to some extent while being practical and having good resale.
CX-5. They drive well and look amazing, inside and out.
My brother has a CX-5. He and his wife have two kids. The size seemed fine for one kid, but I'm wondering if they'll be switching to something bigger now that they have two. Didn't seem to have problems with car seat fitment. However, it does get a bit cramped when you've got a child seat and all the random crap that you carry around with a kid.
Quote from: giant_mtb on January 14, 2019, 04:25:42 PM
My brother has a CX-5. He and his wife have two kids. The size seemed fine for one kid, but I'm wondering if they'll be switching to something bigger now that they have two. Didn't seem to have problems with car seat fitment. However, it does get a bit cramped when you've got a child seat and all the random crap that you carry around with a kid.
You carry around progressively less crap for each kid.
Buick TourX
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 14, 2019, 04:08:50 PM
The Forester I think would be best for Mike. Scratches he enthusiast itch to some extent while being practical and having good resale.
:confused:
This isn't 2005 when you could get the WRX engine and a manual transmission in the Forester. There's nothing particularly enthusiast about a 3500lb car with 180 HP and a CVT.
Quote from: BimmerM3 on January 14, 2019, 06:31:46 PM
:confused:
This isn't 2005 when you could get the WRX engine and a manual transmission in the Forester. There's nothing particularly enthusiast about a 3500lb car with 180 HP and a CVT.
You can't get them with a manual anymore?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 14, 2019, 07:20:56 PM
You can't get them with a manual anymore?
2018 was the last year. Even though it looks almost identical, 2019 is a totally new generation. They dropped both the manual and the turbo motor from the Forester completely, and you haven't been able to get them together for a long time - I think since end of 2nd gen (2007). 2.5 N/A motor with CVT is the only choice on the Forester now. Interior looks significantly improved though. :lol:
Besides, this is gonna be wifey's car. I doubt she'd want to drive a manual anyway.
Quote from: BimmerM3 on January 14, 2019, 07:30:08 PM
2018 was the last year. Even though it looks almost identical, 2019 is a totally new generation. They dropped both the manual and the turbo motor from the Forester completely, and you haven't been able to get them together for a long time - I think since end of 2nd gen (2007). 2.5 N/A motor with CVT is the only choice on the Forester now.
Besides, this is gonna be wifey's car. I doubt she'd want to drive a manual anyway.
Well, screw that then.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 14, 2019, 06:45:08 PM
That's a thing!?
A nice thing. Not sure in black though. Looks a little hearse-ey.
I like it in this colour...
How is the Forester underpowered for most driving situations?
Do you say to yourself, ah fuck, I wish I had 50 more hp for my trips to the grocery store.
It's a stupid mind trick that people play on themselves. All that HP with no practical purpose for it. Every day driving is about comfort, utility, and practicality. I do not know how you beat the Forester in this class in that regard.
The Forester main detraction is its skin.
Quote from: WookieOnRitalin on January 14, 2019, 08:50:32 PM
How is the Forester underpowered for most driving situations?
Do you say to yourself, ah fuck, I wish I had 50 more hp for my trips to the grocery store.
It's a stupid mind trick that people play on themselves. All that HP with no practical purpose for it. Every day driving is about comfort, utility, and practicality. I do not know how you beat the Forester in this class in that regard.
The Forester main detraction is its skin.
It's contextual... we're talking to a guy who drives an S2000 and a 250 hp Accord. I agreed that it's slightly underpowered, but I also might buy one (though if I do, it'll probably be a couple years old so I can get the manual... i.e. even less powerful lol). I don't think anyone's saying that it's completely out of the question solely for that reason.
RAV4 and CR-V are just as practical and utile as the Forester, outside of off road use, which I don't think concerns Mike. Comfort is subjective and I haven't personally been in any of these vehicles yet.
Personally, I'd probably lean CX-5 or RAV4 for on-road use just because they have real autos instead of CVTs.
True no one "needs" HP but when competitors offer more for around the same price and size of vehicle, why not??
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on January 14, 2019, 09:08:26 PM
True no one "needs" HP but when competitors offer more for around the same price and size of vehicle, why not??
Honestly, the four big Japanese names in this class are all pretty close. The RAV4 is really the only one with much of an edge, and even that isn't a very big edge.
Forester: 182 hp/176 ft-lbs.
RAV4: 203 hp/184 ft-lbs.
CR-V: 184 hp/180 ft-lbs.
CX-5: 187 hp/186 ft-lbs.
EDIT: I didn't know this until just now, but the CX-5 has an optional 250hp/310 ft-lbs. motor.
Subaru's full time AWD and other things make it feel slow.
Quote from: WookieOnRitalin on January 14, 2019, 08:50:32 PM
How is the Forester underpowered for most driving situations?
Do you say to yourself, ah fuck, I wish I had 50 more hp for my trips to the grocery store.
It's a stupid mind trick that people play on themselves. All that HP with no practical purpose for it. Every day driving is about comfort, utility, and practicality. I do not know how you beat the Forester in this class in that regard.
The Forester main detraction is its skin.
I've heard many bad things about the Subaru CVT. I think it would be fine with a manual.
0-60 (all from Motor Trend)
Forester: 9.6
RAV4: 8.5
CR-V: 8.6 in one article, 7.6 in another
CX-5 base: 8.3
CX-5 2.5T: 6.3
So yes, the Forester is slow for its class (and 9.6 is pretty much just straight up slow for 2019).
Quote from: BimmerM3 on January 14, 2019, 09:24:56 PM
0-60 (all from Motor Trend)
Forester: 9.6
RAV4: 8.5
CR-V: 8.6 in one article, 7.6 in another
CX-5 base: 8.3
CX-5 2.5T: 6.3
So yes, the Forester is slow for its class (and 9.6 is pretty much just straight up slow for 2019).
Those are pretty sad numbers, except the CX-5.
Might as well stop pussy footin around with these sissy crossovers. Get a real, actual truck wagon, like the new Kia Telluride.
Okay, so the Telluride is just another crossover, except bigger. How about a crew cab Ram 2500?
TourX is a very intriguing proposition, though they are heeueuuguuuge and heavy.
Quote from: Laconian on January 14, 2019, 09:42:05 PM
TourX is a very intriguing proposition, though they are heeueuuguuuge and heavy.
But the MPG is like 21/29. Yooge and heavy should make the ride smooth.
As much as I love subies, the gas mileage and power are really pretty poor. Nothing beats them accelerating from a stop in snow or rain, but not everyone is a snowracer...
I'd go turbo CX5, but that Passport suggestion is interesting. The new RAV4 also looks great.
Just please don't get a Nissan Rogue
Stelvio too pricey?
Bentayga or bust
Quote from: BimmerM3 on January 14, 2019, 09:24:56 PM
0-60 (all from Motor Trend)
Forester: 9.6
RAV4: 8.5
CR-V: 8.6 in one article, 7.6 in another
CX-5 base: 8.3
CX-5 2.5T: 6.3
So yes, the Forester is slow for its class (and 9.6 is pretty much just straight up slow for 2019).
I think the 8.6 in the CRV is for the base 2.4L while the 7.6 is for the 1.5T. Still, until Honda figures their engine oil/gas issues out for that little guy, I wouldn't bother. Also pretty hesitant about the CX-5. Some family members recently got the last gen CX-5 with that gorgeous red paint and the paint started to chip within a couple of months of ownership. My sister's Mazda3 from a few years ago also had random assembly issues. I just don't think Mazda is there yet, especially at their more upmarket pricing.
I really like the TourX suggestion, stupid name aside. It looks fantastic and supposedly drives pretty well too. With no one buying them, maybe you can get a deal.
Eh, I don't think we'll go wagon here. Regal TourX is overpriced and got pretty bad reviews too.
My gut instinct before test driving is CX-5, just based on the spec sheet. Best looking interior and exterior, sort of competitive pricing, rumored to be the best driving. I liked the idea of the 2.5 turbo, but wife said that was overkill :lol: I guess the base engine is enough for her. For reference, she thought her old Tuscon was pretty quick. Rav4 is kind of the left field consideration and adds some funk. But yeah, not having a CVT is a big bonus. Not a huge fan of most of them. Forester is kind of something I want to at least see. You can get some cool trim things on the Sport model, but yeah, gone are the days of the turbo :cry:
The 9-speed in the Passport is the same as the 9-speed in the Pilot, which consistently gets ripped on. If we were to get a Pilot, I'd go with the EX-L, which uses the Honda 6-speed instead and is a much better transmission.
:lol: True car is showing $9k off MSRP for the RegalX. Wow. $40k MSRP for $32k.
Residuals are going to be trash on that car.
Wouldnt that $9K go towards the lease? They need to start calculating residuals off of ATPs rather than MSRPs
I meant for buying. That thing is going to be worth half what a CR-V is worth after 3 years.
In your case, the CX-5 is the clear winner IMHO. Quiet, rides great, best driving vehicle in the segment and the reliability will be near the top as well. If I had to get a crossover today, that would be my pick.
Quote from: Xer0 on January 15, 2019, 08:02:48 AM
I think the 8.6 in the CRV is for the base 2.4L while the 7.6 is for the 1.5T. Still, until Honda figures their engine oil/gas issues out for that little guy, I wouldn't bother. Also pretty hesitant about the CX-5. Some family members recently got the last gen CX-5 with that gorgeous red paint and the paint started to chip within a couple of months of ownership. My sister's Mazda3 from a few years ago also had random assembly issues. I just don't think Mazda is there yet, especially at their more upmarket pricing.
I really like the TourX suggestion, stupid name aside. It looks fantastic and supposedly drives pretty well too. With no one buying them, maybe you can get a deal.
Could be - I also didn't go out of my way to make sure that all of those times were AWD versions, so there could be some variability there too.
Quote from: HurricaneSteve on January 15, 2019, 09:52:57 AM
In your case, the CX-5 is the clear winner IMHO. Quiet, rides great, best driving vehicle in the segment and the reliability will be near the top as well. If I had to get a crossover today, that would be my pick.
It doesn't make run on premix like the Earth Dreams 1.5, too. ;)
Those SkyActive motors with that zero weight oil and GDI sound like death when it's cold, though.
Quote from: 2o6 on January 15, 2019, 11:36:50 AM
Those SkyActive motors with that zero weight oil and GDI sound like death when it's cold, though.
That's the sound of efficiency and driving dynamics! It wakes up the soul!!! :lol:
Looks like the only CR-V available with the 2.4 is the base, and you can't seem to option up beyond accessories like mats, cargo nets, etc.
I'm not sure I'd trust the 1.5t at this point until a real fix is available and has proven to be effective. I'd probably go for the CX5, unless you don't care much for the options offered on higher trims.
CX-5 is the front runner.
Rav4, CR-V, and Forester are getting a test drive at least.
We already settled it. You're buying a CX-5.
Quote from: Rockraven on January 15, 2019, 01:20:53 PM
We already settled it. You're buying a CX-5.
Probably. Gotta support the little guy!
If I include the wife's car, here are my ownership totals:
- 2 Mazda
- 2 Toyota
- 3 Honda
- 2 Hyundai
- 1 Subaru
Mazda will likely take the lead soon :mask:
Drive the Passport!
It's not even out yet. And that 9-speed...wooooof
Would you go for a turbo CX5?
Quote from: CALL_911 on January 15, 2019, 01:46:01 PM
Would you go for a turbo CX5?
Probably not. It's an extra $1800 and likely more reliability issues down the road. Not worth it. If it was for me daily driving, I would probably do it.
Quote from: MrH on January 15, 2019, 01:24:14 PM
It's not even out yet. And that 9-speed...wooooof
The ZF 9 gets a bad rap imo; likely down to FCA's bad software. The one in my 2017 Discovery Sport is excellent. Paired with a small litre (2.0) turbo four, it works like a charm. Good performance and excellent mileage; unless you have a lead foot.
A good description...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7EMGnjEhmE
Quote from: MrH on January 15, 2019, 01:53:36 PM
Probably not. It's an extra $1800 and likely more reliability issues down the road. Not worth it. If it was for me daily driving, I would probably do it.
Lame, you should do it
Quote from: FoMoJo on January 15, 2019, 01:54:16 PM
The ZF 9 gets a bad rap imo; likely down to FCA's bad software. The one in my 2017 Discovery Sport is excellent. Paired with a small litre (2.0) turbo four, it works like a charm. Good performance and excellent mileage; unless you have a lead foot.
A good description...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7EMGnjEhmE
That video...did not sell me on the 9 speed :lol:
Quote from: MrH on January 15, 2019, 01:19:51 PM
CX-5 is the front runner.
Rav4, CR-V, and Forester are getting a test drive at least.
:ohyeah:
If I were looking at CUVs for on-road use, I'd have the exact same list.
Quote from: MrH on January 15, 2019, 02:19:11 PM
That video...did not sell me on the 9 speed :lol:
That was an older video, but offered a good description of the ratios. If you're interested in good performance and excellent mileage, don't discount it when paired with a small displacement turbo engine. On my Discovery, it cruises at 110 kph (68 mph) at 1750 rpm which is just before the boost kicks in. My best mileage is 6.6 litre for 100 kilometers (35 mpg). How well it would perform on the Honda Passport with the 3.5 NA engine would be down to how well the software has been sorted.
I dunno, it sounds like a sweet deal for Autobahners. You get massive gear spread at the cost of a couple lurchy shifts, not a big deal..
TBH having two transmissions (CVT+AT) stacked against one another sounds like more of a nightmare..
Quote from: Laconian on January 15, 2019, 02:57:54 PM
I dunno, it sounds like a sweet deal for Autobahners. You get massive gear spread at the cost of a couple lurchy shifts, not a big deal..
TBH having two transmissions (CVT+AT) stacked against one another sounds like more of a nightmare..
Never felt a lurch in mine. I blame FCA for all the complaints. You just can't slap stuff together and hope it works.
There are a ton of complaints about it in the Pilot too. Most people recommend getting the EX-L trim just so you get the 6-speed instead.
Ugh I'm having deja vu. Single buddy of mine asked me for car advice... "I'm thinking about getting a CX-5, what do you think"
(goes through a bunch of more fun, cheaper options for like 45 minutes)
"Alright man cool"
He shows up a few weeks later in a new CX-5 :hammerhead: Not a bad car at all but just kind of pointless for a single non active dude.
A lot of people have already made up their mind. They just want approval.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 15, 2019, 06:36:38 PM
Ugh I'm having deja vu. Single buddy of mine asked me for car advice... "I'm thinking about getting a CX-5, what do you think"
(goes through a bunch of more fun, cheaper options for like 45 minutes)
"Alright man cool"
He shows up a few weeks later in a new CX-5 :hammerhead: Not a bad car at all but just kind of pointless for a single non active dude.
Pointless like carrying around an empty suitcase? Or pointless like you could've had a V8?
(https://eu.cdn.autosonshow.tv/687/autoimage/BC18XUP/VOLVO__XC40__D3_MOMENTUM__DIESEL__BLACK__2018__BC18XUP-e01_md.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGoej8hauBw
Quote from: FoMoJo on January 15, 2019, 06:42:47 PM
A lot of people have already made up their mind. They just want approval.
Or he spent 45 minutes talking about cars he would want, rather than what his buddy would want.
I don't see how a CX-5 is pointless at all. Reliable transportation with a great (for it's class) interior, seats five, can hold a decent amount of stuff, looks great, drives well, isn't overly large, all at an affordable price point.
Quote from: BimmerM3 on January 15, 2019, 07:19:51 PM
Or he spent 45 minutes talking about cars he would want, rather than what his buddy would want.
I don't see how a CX-5 is pointless at all. Reliable transportation with a great (for it's class) interior, seats five, can hold a decent amount of stuff, looks great, drives well, isn't overly large, all at an affordable price point.
A CX-5 always reminds me of the one girl in class who always wore a bit too much make-up, a bit too bright lipstick and tried a bit too hard to be liked. I know that it's sacrilege, but that's the way I feel about most Mazdas :lol:.
:lol:
Fbtpththththhthththht!
Quote from: 68_427 on January 15, 2019, 07:16:29 PM
(https://eu.cdn.autosonshow.tv/687/autoimage/BC18XUP/VOLVO__XC40__D3_MOMENTUM__DIESEL__BLACK__2018__BC18XUP-e01_md.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGoej8hauBw
No joke, the Straight Pipes guys are making the best car review content out there. They're really good.
I like the XC40 a lot. But $42k for a loaded R-design, they're pretty much selling for MSRP, and it's really really tiny. Might test drive just to see though.
2019 Acura RDX with a few thousand miles is in the running now too.
This is in the running, too
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=504834528&
Quote from: MrH on January 16, 2019, 07:22:04 AM
No joke, the Straight Pipes guys are making the best car review content out there. They're really good.
I like the XC40 a lot. But $42k for a loaded R-design, they're pretty much selling for MSRP, and it's really really tiny. Might test drive just to see though.
2019 Acura RDX with a few thousand miles is in the running now too.
T4 Momentum with heated seats and steering wheel, and the upgraded stereo and nav is like $36k. Doesn't seem bad to me. Does she really need the r design?
Oh shit, RDX is a good option. SH AWD is awesome and the new interiors are very very nice
If a xc or rdx is in the running, might as well test drive a Stelvio
Check out the Levante and Urus too.
X40 is a great option. One of our members drives on and it is sex.
Mitsubishi Eclipse Craws should be #1 choice. Mirage G4 should be #2.
Quote from: r0tor on January 16, 2019, 10:34:45 AM
If a xc or rdx is in the running, might as well test drive a Stelvio
"Despite what people say about Alfa Romeo reliability, 95% of all Alfa's manufactured are still on the road. The other 5% made it home."
This is kind of like a crossover. I mean, it crossed over an ocean.
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/cto/d/mc-caysville-immaculate-1985-toyota/6777864197.html
"I know you wanted a new crossover with modern amenities. Instead, I got you this 34 year old Toyota with curtains...and the steering wheel is on the wrong side."
Quote from: MrH on January 16, 2019, 01:23:39 PM
"I know you wanted a new crossover with modern amenities. Instead, I got you this 34 year old Toyota with curtains...and the steering wheel is on the wrong side."
Perfect for that second job delivering newspapers.
What's up with that GM ad saying their vehicles are more reliable than Honda and Toyota?
:lol:
Quote from: shp4man on January 16, 2019, 01:36:15 PM
What's up with that GM ad saying their cars are more reliable than Honda and Toyota?
:lol:
It was based on a survey for MY2015 (maybe '14) only, IIRC. In other words, not long-term enough for it to actually matter. Same reason why JD Power surveys are pretty worthless, IMO.
Even if the surveys that those ads are citing were legit, I wouldn't buy a Chevy just because those ads are so damn annoying.
GM has really been making advertising and product planning missteps lately.
My wife always tries to trick me into watching the GM ads where they mistake a malibu as a Jaguar. I just start ranting and raving whenever they're on. Worst commercials ever.
"I thought it was a Land Rover!"
I won't buy one out of spite. Also, I think the product is terrible too.
Their ads are sooooo annoying. Do they actually fool nonthusiasts?? I can't stand advertisements that basically assume I'm retarded and can't see how dumbly fake they are.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 16, 2019, 01:21:45 PM
This is kind of like a crossover. I mean, it crossed over an ocean.
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/cto/d/mc-caysville-immaculate-1985-toyota/6777864197.html
WTF is with the curtains? Are we serving tea in the parlor?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 16, 2019, 03:49:15 PM
WTF is with the curtains? Are we serving tea in the parlor?
Keep rear passengers and gear slightly cooler on your Saharan adventures?
Quote from: MrH on January 16, 2019, 12:58:08 PM
"Despite what people say about Alfa Romeo reliability, 95% of all Alfa's manufactured are still on the road. The other 5% made it home."
I bought an Alfa with no problems... Could have bought a Honda with a poorly designed engine
Tiguan
Quote from: BimmerM3 on January 16, 2019, 04:45:02 PM
Keep rear passengers and gear slightly cooler on your Saharan adventures?
Apparently this one was in Japan all its life.
Quote from: giant_mtb on January 16, 2019, 03:10:36 PM
Their ads are sooooo annoying. Do they actually fool nonthusiasts?? I can't stand advertisements that basically assume I'm retarded and can't see how dumbly fake they are.
Who watches ads anymore?
Quote from: CaminoRacer on January 16, 2019, 07:10:25 PM
Who watches ads anymore?
Not me, but on the occasions that I see those POS ads... :rage:
Quote from: CaminoRacer on January 16, 2019, 07:10:25 PM
Who watches ads anymore?
People who watch live sports.
Also I saw one of those Chevy ads at the gas pump the other day. :rage:
Quote from: BimmerM3 on January 17, 2019, 12:15:56 AM
Also I saw one of those Chevy ads at the gas pump the other day. :rage:
SMH shoulda bought a Tesla
Quote from: BimmerM3 on January 14, 2019, 09:24:56 PM
0-60 (all from Motor Trend)
Forester: 9.6
RAV4: 8.5
CR-V: 8.6 in one article, 7.6 in another
CX-5 base: 8.3
CX-5 2.5T: 6.3
So yes, the Forester is slow for its class (and 9.6 is pretty much just straight up slow for 2019).
9.6 seconds!? Holy shit that's slow as fuck.
Have you given any thought to welding six motorcycles together?
Quote from: shp4man on January 16, 2019, 01:36:15 PM
What's up with that GM ad saying their vehicles are more reliable than Honda and Toyota?
:lol:
https://jalopnik.com/chevrolet-pulls-most-reliable-ad-after-being-challenged-1831800283
Very stupid.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 17, 2019, 06:51:42 AM
https://jalopnik.com/chevrolet-pulls-most-reliable-ad-after-being-challenged-1831800283
I did see that ad. Shocking! :lol:
Cullinan?
I guess in terms of bang for the buck the new RAV-4 is hard to beat.
Stelvio Ti can be had for 32k, slightly used. 0-60 in 5,4 seconds.
Quote from: mzziaz on January 18, 2019, 02:24:27 AM
Stelvio Ti can be had for 32k, slightly used. 0-60 in 5,4 seconds.
Why on earth would you suggest a comfortable, sporty, beautiful, and practical Stelvio?!?
Quote from: r0tor on January 18, 2019, 06:45:14 AM
Why on earth would you suggest a comfortable, sporty, beautiful, and practical Stelvio?!?
Instead of the more comfy, more spotsy, more beauty Porch Macaw
Go test an X1. It's best in class, really.
Are they paying you?????
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on January 18, 2019, 08:51:41 AM
Go test an X1. It's best in class, really.
x3, you mean? The X1 is small.
That is quite the premium feature I gotta admit!
Quote from: Laconian on January 15, 2019, 11:32:50 AM
It doesn't make run on premix like the Earth Dreams 1.5, too. ;)
Quote from: 2o6 on January 18, 2019, 11:31:23 AM
x3, you mean? The X1 is small.
It´s big inside, not that far from the X3. The X3 is among the best in its class too.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on January 18, 2019, 01:07:08 PM
It´s big inside, not that far from the X3. The X3 is among the best in its class too.
It's big for its class, but it's smaller than everything he's looking at...
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on January 18, 2019, 08:51:41 AM
Go test an X1. It's best in class, really.
Ha.
Just imagine the case of CRVenvy Mrs H would have if they paid up for an X1.
Quote from: 2o6 on January 18, 2019, 01:19:19 PM
It's big for its class, but it's smaller than everything he's looking at...
More comfortable then a CX5
X1:
"The X1 feels quite roomy for a vehicle this size, with enough head- and legroom for tall passengers to comfortably fit in either row. If you regularly carry adults in the back seat, consider upgrading to the sliding and reclining second-row seats for extra comfort."
"The X1 has a 27.1-cubic-foot cargo hold behind the rear seats and a total capacity of 58.7 cubic feet when you lay down the 40/20/40-split-folding second-row seats. Both dimensions are significantly larger than what you get with similarly sized rivals. A standard power liftgate adds to the X1's convenience."
CX-5:
"The rear seats don't offer as much space as some rivals, but they have enough headroom for taller passengers. There are two sets of LATCH car-seat connectors on the rear outboard seats and an upper tether on the middle seat. The middle seat also has the ability to borrow lower anchors from the adjoining seats when they are not in use."
"You'll find 30.9 cubic feet of cargo space when the rear seats are upright or 59.6 cubic feet when they are folded. While many shoppers should be content with the amount of space that the CX-5 provides, its maximum cargo capacity is slightly below average for the class. A power liftgate is available, which makes loading cargo easier."
The X1 is very slightly smaller inside.
And before anyone cries "reliability!!!" let´s keep it real. When has MrH held on to a car for more than what the warranty/free service period would last on a new BMW? Answer: never, it ain't happening. Long term reliability is a non issue in this thread.
The CX-5 is small though.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on January 18, 2019, 03:22:57 PM
And before anyone cries "reliability!!!" let´s keep it real. When has MrH held on to a car for more than what the warranty/free service period would last on a new BMW? Answer: never, it ain't happening. Long term reliability is a non issue.
But resale is an issue.
Why wouldn't you just lease if you flip cars continually and worry about resale
(https://i.ibb.co/PhHFphc/image1-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gTKm1TS)
(https://i.ibb.co/FzZZJ69/image2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gJqqwyG)
(https://i.ibb.co/Ln61RV3/image3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jgGDfnS)
(https://i.ibb.co/Y8yKPCW/image4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1Kdp7gn)
I don't know, does MrH's wife switch cars as often as he does? I would imagine that reliability, as well as ride & handling matter a great deal. Even Consumer Reports rates the CX-5 quite highly, even over the CR-V. While it does give up some interior room to the CR-V, the CX-5 rides better, handles better and is more reliable. I think only the RAV-4 has better quality ratings.
Quote from: HurricaneSteve on January 18, 2019, 03:49:28 PM
I don't know, does MrH's wife switch cars as often as he does?
Quote from: MrH on January 14, 2019, 11:21:16 AM
Will probably keep it 4-5 years then eventually get a 3 row vehicle.
The X1 is still a class down from the cars he's looking at. Granted, the CX-5 is more snug compared to others, but like....it's a subcompact crossover. If the X1 works, then look at the HR-V et al.
The X1 is not noticeably smaller then the X3 inside... I've sat enough in both to know the difference feels very small
Seems like the X1 will do nothing better for Mrs H than the CX-5, but will cost 50% more. The choice is obvious
Want me to dump Consumer Reports crossover results into a PDF?
I've driven the the X1 and the X3 (not the current gen).
The X1 is nice, but the x3 is definitely bigger and longer, and more spacious in every direction.
More importantly, you can get a nicely equipped CX-5 Touring for like 26-27k.
The cheapest X1 is literally $40,000.
Quote from: Laconian on January 18, 2019, 06:35:02 PM
Want me to dump Consumer Reports crossover results into a PDF?
You don't have to ask, here you go anyway. I'm going to lose access by the end of the month.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1J-867StVUU19EDftNhqlciHwlHjlBCy3/view?usp=sharing
SPOILER ALERT: FCA products dominate the bottom slots of each category :lol:
Quote from: 2o6 on January 18, 2019, 06:54:02 PM
I've driven the the X1 and the X3 (not the current gen).
The X1 is nice, but the x3 is definitely bigger and longer, and more spacious in every direction.
More importantly, you can get a nicely equipped CX-5 Touring for like 26-27k.
The cheapest X1 is literally $40,000.
Good grief... Just about every interior measurement is within a half inch between the X1 and x3 :rolleyes:
https://www.carsdirect.com/compare/compare-tool/bmw/x1/bmw/x3
I fit in the backseat of a CX-5 with lots of room to spare. Since when is that small?
(Front seat was far enough back to be comfortable for a 6 footer)
Quote from: Laconian on January 18, 2019, 07:25:57 PM
You don't have to ask, here you go anyway. I'm going to lose access by the end of the month.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1J-867StVUU19EDftNhqlciHwlHjlBCy3/view?usp=sharing
SPOILER ALERT: FCA products dominate the bottom slots of each category :lol:
CR's raging boner for Subaru products reigns on as well. The Crosstrek, Forester, and Ascent sweep the top slots in each of their respective category.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on January 18, 2019, 07:41:08 PM
I fit in the backseat of a CX-5 with lots of room to spare. Since when is that small?
(Front seat was far enough back to be comfortable for a 6 footer)
It's not too small to fit an adult, but it's notably smaller than say a CR-V. To me this is more of a factor for cargo/dogs with seats up or down, than how many people it can seat. May also be a factor with car seats. Still, the back seat of the crv is more comfortable for people as well IMO.
Quote from: Laconian on January 18, 2019, 07:25:57 PM
You don't have to ask, here you go anyway. I'm going to lose access by the end of the month.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1J-867StVUU19EDftNhqlciHwlHjlBCy3/view?usp=sharing
SPOILER ALERT: FCA products dominate the bottom slots of each category :lol:
Awesome! Thanks, that's a big help.
The wife did say the other day she did like the look of Jeeps. I told her that isn't an option :lol:
Quote from: Laconian on January 18, 2019, 07:25:57 PM
You don't have to ask, here you go anyway. I'm going to lose access by the end of the month.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1J-867StVUU19EDftNhqlciHwlHjlBCy3/view?usp=sharing
SPOILER ALERT: FCA products dominate the bottom slots of each category :lol:
For future CarSpin consumer inquiries - let me know. I bought a year of access in December.
Quote from: WookieOnRitalin on January 19, 2019, 05:56:56 AM
CR's raging boner for Subaru products reigns on as well. The Crosstrek, Forester, and Ascent sweep the top slots in each of their respective category.
... Despite them still failing head gaskets for 20 years straight...
In Europe, Alfa Romeo is ranked at the top in reliability for several years across the model range. In the US, with very few reports, CR rates them at the bottom... Gotta wonder some times
FCA has no problem paying bribes. Plus CR was hardly the only publication with problematic Alfas
Oh look, the Stelvio reliability is based on NOTHING
https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/alfa-romeo/stelvio/2019/reliability?pagestop
I'd consider buying a used Stelvio if I was in the market.
X1 is definitely the choice. Or F-Pace. Oh, Discovery Sport, that's the way to go.
Quote from: Raza on January 20, 2019, 09:22:09 AM
X1 is definitely the choice. Or F-Pace. Oh, Discovery Sport, that's the way to go.
Excellent choice.
No... this is the way to go.
https://www.oldcaronline.com/1972-Jeep-Wagoneer-Cadillac-Michigan-for-sale-ID870791.htm
Quote from: Rockraven on January 20, 2019, 08:55:17 PM
No... this is the way to go.
https://www.oldcaronline.com/1972-Jeep-Wagoneer-Cadillac-Michigan-for-sale-ID870791.htm
Yes. Yes it is.
I keep reading the title as "Crossovah in da hoooouse"
+1 for the Wagoneer. Preferably with fake wood paneling.
We've beaten around the bush enough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQdZ2jOX1Ag&t=524s
Worst case scenario is buying something safe and boring for reliability, only to wind up with some stupid issues anyway.
Ironic the consumer reports reliability wonder love Subaru can't make cars currently due to failing power steering units...
Well, the Passport is out of the running. $38k for an EX-L. :mask: Too rich for my blood.
Passport is also fucking hideous
Mid grade CX-5 is your destiny
The and turbo cx5 had wheelspin in the straight pipes video.
Quote from: MrH on January 30, 2019, 08:45:35 AM
Well, the Passport is out of the running. $38k for an EX-L. :mask: Too rich for my blood.
Pretty much the average price for a new car -shrug-
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 30, 2019, 10:06:00 AM
Passport is also fucking hideous
Mid grade CX-5 is your destiny
Pretty much. Grand Touring trim though. Want those leather seats!
Wife goes out of town tomorrow. Probably going to test drive some stuff this weekend. At least need to give the Forester, Rav4, and CR-V a drive.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 30, 2019, 10:06:00 AM
Passport is also fucking hideous
Mid grade CX-5 is your destiny
The front fascia isn't my favorite thing in the world, but overall, I think the Passport looks great.
But yeah, CX-5 still seems like the best choice for Mike.
The Rav4 has the semi autonomous tech in the $25,000 base package right? Or does one need to get an upper trim?
Quote from: Galaxy on January 30, 2019, 10:21:08 AM
The Rav4 has the semi autonomous tech in the $25,000 base package right? Or does one need to get an upper trim?
Most of it. "Blind Spot Monitor with Rear Cross-Traffic Alert" is optional, and "Intelligent Clearance Sonar with Rear Cross-Traffic Braking" isn't available until the 2nd trim (for which it is optional).
https://www.toyota.com/rav4/features/mpg/4430/4440/4477
Quote from: BimmerM3 on January 30, 2019, 11:41:24 AM
Most of it. "Blind Spot Monitor with Rear Cross-Traffic Alert" is optional, and "Intelligent Clearance Sonar with Rear Cross-Traffic Braking" isn't available until the 2nd trim (for which it is optional).
https://www.toyota.com/rav4/features/mpg/4430/4440/4477
So for $25.500 one gets: Pre-Collision System65 with Pedestrian Detection69 (PCS w/PD) with low-light pedestrian detection and daytime cyclist detection, Lane Departure Alert with Steering Assist (LDA w/SA)64 with Road Edge Detection and Sway Warning System (SWS),91 Automatic High Beams (AHB),71 Full-Speed Range Dynamic Radar Cruise Control (DRCC),62 Road Sign Assist (RSA)57 and Lane Tracing Assist (LTA)66
That really is a lot for the money.
Quote from: Galaxy on January 30, 2019, 11:55:25 AM
So for $25.500 one gets: Pre-Collision System65 with Pedestrian Detection69 (PCS w/PD) with low-light pedestrian detection and daytime cyclist detection, Lane Departure Alert with Steering Assist (LDA w/SA)64 with Road Edge Detection and Sway Warning System (SWS),91 Automatic High Beams (AHB),71 Full-Speed Range Dynamic Radar Cruise Control (DRCC),62 Road Sign Assist (RSA)57 and Lane Tracing Assist (LTA)66
That really is a lot for the money.
Honda and Mazda are starting to include a lot of that tech in their base models as well.
Sounds like the Mazda's lane keep assist isn't as good as everyone else's?
The Straight Pipes keep saying they're going to do a massive comparison of all of these systems. That would be hugely helpful. I'm surprised no one has done this yet.
Quote from: MrH on January 30, 2019, 12:24:39 PM
Sounds like the Mazda's lane keep assist isn't as good as everyone else's?
The Straight Pipes keep saying they're going to do a massive comparison of all of these systems. That would be hugely helpful. I'm surprised no one has done this yet.
I mean is that super necessary? It's there to save you from making a mistake, and not the lean on it your entire commute :huh:
:hesaid: :hesaid: :hesaid:
You're going to get the autonomy level 2 that you pay for. It's not going to do the commute for you.
If I'm paying $30k+ for a car, I want the best autonomous stuff out there :huh: My Accord's lane keep assist is awesome. Just saying it's an important feature. If another OEM's assist stuff is leaps and bounds ahead of Mazda, that could sway me to look more at other cars.
The cheaper Mazdas like the 3 have radar cruise sans stop and go, but the CX5 supports it.
Stop and go is a must here... so much time spent stopped :F
Quote from: 68_427 on January 30, 2019, 02:26:57 PM
I mean is that super necessary? It's there to save you from making a mistake, and not the lean on it your entire commute :huh:
Yea, I read the C&D test on various emergency braking systems and they were all pretty much worthless above 30mph. I would probably have more faith in that (not much) then lane assist systems correctly figuring out lanes
Quote from: 68_427 on January 30, 2019, 02:26:57 PM
I mean is that super necessary? It's there to save you from making a mistake, and not the lean on it your entire commute :huh:
I'm convinced most of this shit is just there to enable staring at a smartphone while driving.
Quote from: Laconian on January 30, 2019, 04:19:40 PM
The cheaper Mazdas like the 3 have radar cruise sans stop and go, but the CX5 supports it.
Stop and go is a must here... so much time spent stopped :F
Mazda's Stop and Go is kind of annoying because it turns off if you're stopped for more than a few seconds. I don't know if other manufacturers do that or not.
Otherwise, it was awesome.
Personally though, I don't want to use any of these features other than radar cruise. I feel like it'd make me a lazy driver. More likely to zone out and whatnot.
Quote from: Lebowski on January 30, 2019, 05:34:50 PM
I'm convinced most of this shit is just there to enable staring at a smartphone while driving.
:hesaid:
Quote from: BimmerM3 on January 30, 2019, 05:48:14 PM
Mazda's Stop and Go is kind of annoying because it turns off if you're stopped for more than a few seconds. I don't know if other manufacturers do that or not.
Otherwise, it was awesome.
Personally though, I don't want to use any of these features other than radar cruise. I feel like it'd make me a lazy driver. More likely to zone out and whatnot.
On the Subaru you have to feather the throttle or press resume on cruise to get the car going again.
This kind of shit makes me want to go back to 1960s automotive technology. Give me some real heavy metal bumpers to crush your silly plastic and foam while you check your facebook status.
Quote from: BimmerM3 on January 30, 2019, 05:48:14 PM
Mazda's Stop and Go is kind of annoying because it turns off if you're stopped for more than a few seconds. I don't know if other manufacturers do that or not.
F150 I rented this year did that too.
Let go of the brake and it starts up again and doesn't turn off again until you've driven some. So it was a game, if I knew I had a small gap to get into traffic I'd start it back up to be ready.
Also, the motor would turn on again by itself sometimes if it was hot and the A/C was working hard.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on January 31, 2019, 07:30:53 PM
F150 I rented this year did that too.
Let go of the brake and it starts up again and doesn't turn off again until you've driven some. So it was a game, if I knew I had a small gap to get into traffic I'd start it back up to be ready.
Also, the motor would turn on again by itself sometimes if it was hot and the A/C was working hard.
Oh, I meant stop and go cruise control, not the engine on/off. Mazda's radar cruise control can bring the car to a complete stop, and start back up again when traffic moves as long as you haven't been stopped too long. Amazing for stop and go traffic.
That's awesome!
It's not that uncommon in cars today... But you still can't relax with it on because there is always some asshat that needs to cut you off or wedge his way in your lane
Also if you are on the highway with nobody in front of you and come up on cars that are dead stopped... They tend to not stop reliably in time if you are over 30 mph
Quote from: r0tor on February 01, 2019, 04:02:13 PM
It's not that uncommon in cars today... But you still can't relax with it on because there is always some asshat that needs to cut you off or wedge his way in your lane
Also if you are on the highway with nobody in front of you and come up on cars that are dead stopped... They tend to not stop reliably in time if you are over 30 mph
I thought Mazda's was a good balance of making stop and go traffic significantly more bearable without letting me get lazy. I'm more more weary of lane keep assist and Tesla Autopilot kinda stuff - I think I'd start to zone out too much or something if I got in the habit of using that. Until it's legit fully autonomous driving, I want to make sure I'm really paying attention.
You can adjust the following distance in the Mazda 6, which helps some if you adjust that for various traffic conditions. But yeah, you gotta keep an eye out for stopped traffic ahead of you and what not.
Quote from: BimmerM3 on February 01, 2019, 06:07:08 PM
I thought Mazda's was a good balance of making stop and go traffic significantly more bearable without letting me get lazy. I'm more more weary of lane keep assist and Tesla Autopilot kinda stuff - I think I'd start to zone out too much or something if I got in the habit of using that. Until it's legit fully autonomous driving, I want to make sure I'm really paying attention.
You can adjust the following distance in the Mazda 6, which helps some if you adjust that for various traffic conditions. But yeah, you gotta keep an eye out for stopped traffic ahead of you and what not.
That seems extremely dangerous to me. If you start relying on this gizmo too much, your just not going to be as focused on driving as you should be. Relying on this semi-autonomous stuff is just not good driving practice.
One hazard in stop and go is when you have an asshole try to shoot in front of you but can't completely fit so only a fender or so is between you and the car that use to be right in front of you... You have to hope your car realizes its now following the partial car in front of you that is now much closer and can react quick enough to not hit it
I started using the system in the alfa at the beginning and just gave up as unpredictable idiots just increased stress levels.... Plus it's a bit more hyperactive in throttle/braking then I would drive
Finally moving on this. Going to the dealership tomorrow, should have something new coming back. Tried my best to put in a new Miata in the deal too, but ultimately couldn't get anyone to get aggressive on trade in pricing for the S2000. It's too risky for dealers.
So it will be a 2019 Mazda CX-5, Grand Touring. Black with black interior. Not sure if we're going to get the GT Premium package or not.
For $1625 MSRP, you get:
- Heads up display
- auto power folding side mirrors
- Heated rear seats
- Heated steering wheel
- Ventilated front seats
- Windshield wiper de-icer
Worth it? I'm leaning towards no. I do love a good heads up display though...
Get the package.
Good choice much better than a CRV IMO.
If she will be parking this in a garage, no, definitely not worth it
I'm thinking lighter exterior/interior colors will be better than ventilated seats in the summer. All that other shit is gimmicky crap
That's your opinion, man. A lot of people go nuts for heated stuff.
Quote from: Laconian on April 19, 2019, 05:59:03 PM
That's your opinion, man. A lot of people go nuts for heated stuff.
It already has heated front seats though. Heated back seats are definitely not a necessity, and $1600 is a lot for a heated steering wheel when you can just wear gloves for a few extra minutes while the car warms up.
I'd have to try the vented seats to decide for sure, but personally, I probably wouldn't get the package.
My mom loves the heated steering wheel. She's always suffered from cold hands. I wouldn't pay $1600 for it but she was all over it
Quote from: Laconian on April 19, 2019, 08:09:40 PM
My mom loves the heated steering wheel. She's always suffered from cold hands. I wouldn't pay $1600 for it but she was all over it
Heh, I have the opposite problem - I have to clean the Explorer's steering wheel all the time because it gets nasty from my sweaty hands.
But yeah, it's way too personal of a decision. Mike and la wifa need to decide this one their own.
This is for your wife and you guys live in the midwest, right? Assuming it's a 5 year loan, $1,600 is only an extra $26 per month and will help with resale down the road, as those winters are no joke. Even if it's garaged, I still remember those days were it was super cold and a little extra warmth would have gone a long way if I had it.
Heated steering wheel is nice. Not so sure about the others. Don't really see the point of the heads-up displays.
Quote from: FoMoJo on April 20, 2019, 06:47:05 AM
Don't really see the point of the heads-up displays.
Keeps your eyes closer to the road.
Quote from: BimmerM3 on April 20, 2019, 07:01:00 AM
Keeps your eyes closer to the road.
What sort of information does it display typically?
Quote from: FoMoJo on April 20, 2019, 07:22:23 AM
What sort of information does it display typically?
Speed, RPM, maybe compass.
I'd probably get the package just for the HUD.
I love my heated steering wheel.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 19, 2019, 05:05:57 PM
If she will be parking this in a garage, no, definitely not worth it
I'm thinking lighter exterior/interior colors will be better than ventilated seats in the summer. All that other shit is gimmicky crap
No
Quote from: r0tor on April 20, 2019, 08:30:14 AM
I love my heated steering wheel.
I love your heated steering wheel, too.
A heated steering wheel is like putting your hands over a small fire. I love them.
Well. At the dealership now. The one without the package is damaged. That made the decision for us. Working out numbers now.
Done deal. Wrapping up now.
Congrats! You guys are getting the regular Grand Touring and not the Reserve, right?
Yep. Black grand touring with the tech package. It's her car, no turbo needed.
Quote from: MrH on April 20, 2019, 10:51:52 AM
Yep. Black grand touring with the tech package. It's her car, no turbo needed.
Black or metallic grey mica?
Black. That's all the wife will buy :huh: This is her third black car.
I'm so sick of gray.
So VW added a heated steering wheel to the Jetta SEL premium (that's what we have) mid model year. Of course we bought one of the first ones that made it onto the lot so every damn time I drive that car in the cold I get annoyed that we don't have the heated steering wheel. Oddly, I don't really notice my hands being cold when driving the Outback (which was made before heated steering wheels were mainstream).
Short version - you'd probably end-up regretting not getting the premium package.
Quote from: MrH on April 20, 2019, 01:47:11 PM
Black. That's all the wife will buy :huh: This is her third black car.
And you
married this psychopath?
Congrats. The right decision on all fronts. The heated stuff is worth it
Quote from: 93JC on April 20, 2019, 07:05:40 PM
And you married this psychopath?
I don't mind black vehicles :huh:
So is it in your garage now? Because I demand pictures!
Quote from: MrH on April 21, 2019, 12:11:51 PM
I don't mind black vehicles :huh:
Two crazy peas in a pod!
Nice. CX-5 is a nice car.
Quote from: 93JC on April 21, 2019, 12:15:07 PM
Two crazy peas in a pod!
Black is great if you're relatively diligent about it. ie, Get one of those bulk passes for your local car wash. :lol:
Quote from: giant_mtb on May 07, 2019, 10:27:44 AM
Black is great if you're relatively diligent about it. ie, Get one of those bulk passes for your local car wash. :lol:
S2000 is way overdue for a wash. Looks terrible right now. :cry:
Quote from: giant_mtb on May 07, 2019, 10:27:44 AM
Black is great if you're relatively diligent about it. ie, Get one of those bulk passes for your local car wash. :lol:
I like the GS but it looks dusty/slightly dirty approximately 3.2 seconds after emerging from any car wash.
Pics of Shins
Come on
Quote from: thewizard16 on May 07, 2019, 11:37:39 AM
I like the GS but it looks dusty/slightly dirty approximately 3.2 seconds after emerging from any car wash.
Some shade, some microfibers, and some spray detailer are your friend.
(https://sep.yimg.com/ay/autopia/meguiar-s-d-155-last-touch-spray-detailer-10.jpg)
https://www.griotsgarage.com/product/best+of+show+detailer.do
I use Griot's speed shine that doesn't have wax since I have flat paint, but this Best of Show detailer should be awesome for black paint with a clear coat.
Quote from: giant_mtb on May 07, 2019, 12:02:24 PM
Some shade, some microfibers, and some spray detailer are your friend.
(https://sep.yimg.com/ay/autopia/meguiar-s-d-155-last-touch-spray-detailer-10.jpg)
Quote from: CaminoRacer on May 07, 2019, 12:14:26 PM
https://www.griotsgarage.com/product/best+of+show+detailer.do
I use Griot's speed shine that doesn't have wax since I have flat paint, but this Best of Show detailer should be awesome for black paint with a clear coat.
I park in a garage so I have shade. Haven't ever done anything like spray detailer though. Seems like it may be a necessity now.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on May 07, 2019, 12:14:26 PM
https://www.griotsgarage.com/product/best+of+show+detailer.do
I use Griot's speed shine that doesn't have wax since I have flat paint, but this Best of Show detailer should be awesome for black paint with a clear coat.
Must be time for an update on that paint. This would be nice... :praise:
(https://i.postimg.cc/RhHQZfQw/AUT-26-RK2909-01-P.jpg)
Quote from: thewizard16 on May 07, 2019, 12:24:12 PM
I park in a garage so I have shade. Haven't ever done anything like spray detailer though. Seems like it may be a necessity now.
Highly recommend getting some...they're all decent, so don't fret too much about what specific product you get. It's great when you have a week of sunshine and you can keep your black vehicle pristine by dusting it off in the garage every night. Takes 15-20 minutes (or a bit longer if you enjoy beer breaks) to do the paint/windows, the wheels, and throw a fresh layer of tire shine on.
It also helps your paint bead water for longer periods in between actual wax jobs.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on May 07, 2019, 03:46:00 PM
It also helps your paint bead water for longer periods in between actual wax jobs.
For sure. A spray wax can be used the same way as a spray detailer, improving protection.
(https://i.imgur.com/9GtaB5B_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
They have the same headlights.
Quote from: MrH on May 07, 2019, 06:40:38 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/9GtaB5B_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
Sharp! Not sure how I feel about the 2D Mazder badge, though.
I was told that it has something to do with the adaptive cruise control or one of the other sensors. But I too prefer the standard logo.
Quote from: Laconian on May 07, 2019, 09:17:43 PM
Sharp! Not sure how I feel about the 2D Mazder badge, though.
Quote from: Laconian on May 07, 2019, 09:17:43 PM
Sharp! Not sure how I feel about the 2D Mazder badge, though.
I prefer it over the radar box in the grill the Accord gets for active cruise control. The Hyundai Genesis glass box in the middle of a chromed out grill is the worst of them all though.