Subaru transitioning into Tesla?...

[Soup DeVille]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owen_Magnetic

Yep, pre-consolidation era, there was a ton of intriquing engineering going on.

[veeman]

Chances are most Crosstrek buyers would still be imprezza (or at least forester) owners if it didn't exist... I'm not sure how you actually convince yourself to buy one over the other

I wouldn't have bought an Imprezza and probably not a Forester if the Crosstrek didn't exist. Crosstrek looks very different than both.  It's shocks/struts/whatever are more robust than the Imprezzas and the raised height makes all the stylistic difference.  Forester, too me, looks kinda boring.  Crosstrek has some personality especially in some of their more unique colors.

[12,000 RPM]

Oh, most cars (including the Mustang I mentioned above) turn off the cruise control as soon as you hit the clutch. At least with traditional cruise control. I don't know how a manual Civic, for example, would react.

It would react the same as it always has.... the manual Hondas don't have ACC

[Eye of the Tiger]

Why all this fuss about automated cruise control? It has no place in heavy traffic. But then, at least 53% of human drivers have no place in any traffic, so we're all fucked no matter what. Just drive a big old truck with metal bumpers and let the idiots bounce off it.

[CaminoRacer]

I mean, presumably if they really wanted to, they could create a mechanism that only controls the clutch with cruise control on or in emergency braking situations. But I can't imagine it'd be worth the cost.

Yeah, just put an electronic actuator on it. Or make it fully electric. might be kinda weird but who knows

[BimmerM3]

Why all this fuss about automated cruise control? It has no place in heavy traffic.

Drive through Atlanta rush hour with it engaged. I think you will change your mind.

[Eye of the Tiger]

Drive through Atlanta rush hour with it engaged. I think you will change your mind.

I haven't used the latest systems, but I disagree with them.

[BimmerM3]

I haven't used the latest systems, but I disagree with them.

I thought it was an acceptable balance of automation but me still having to pay attention because steering. I don't want lane keep though.

[MrH]

It would react the same as it always has.... the manual Hondas don't have ACC

That was the main reason I went auto in the accord. Honda Sensing is really neutered on a manual.

[r0tor]

Ground clearance? I'd have thought that would be obvious... It's a big deal for outdoorsy people. I don't think the Impreza has X-Mode either. Not a big deal to me, but I don't know if most people would care.

That's what the forester is... A jacked up imprezza with different sheet metal rather than the jacked up imprezza with mostly the same sheet metal rather then the base imprezza

A Subaru buyer is going to be a Subaru buyer... Price, economy, and acceleration be damned

[Laconian]

The Subaru Eyesight is not manual transmission friendly:

https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/subaru-will-probably-kill-off-its-manual-transmission-because-eyesight-isn-t-compatible-ar180284.html

Not much information as to *why* it's not compatible, but I did see a lot of ads

[AutobahnSHO]

Why all this fuss about automated cruise control? It has no place in heavy traffic. But then, at least 53% of human drivers have no place in any traffic, so we're all fucked no matter what. Just drive a big old truck with metal bumpers and let the idiots bounce off it.

The new systems are designed for heavy traffic.
Much cheaper than fixing cars over and over....

[Eye of the Tiger]

The new systems are designed for heavy traffic.
Much cheaper than fixing cars over and over....

I find it pretty easy not to crash by using the foot pedals and the large hand ring to control the motor vehicle. It's the other drivers that always crash into me.

[AutobahnSHO]

I find it pretty easy not to crash by using the foot pedals and the large hand ring to control the motor vehicle. It's the other drivers that always crash into me.

cuz you're unpredictable and unstable                       

[12,000 RPM]

I find it pretty easy not to crash by using the foot pedals and the large hand ring to control the motor vehicle. It's the other drivers that always crash into me.

[MrH]

I 'ed.

I will say, everyone who has said it's unnecessary, then rode with me and watched it in action in heavy traffic immediately get it.  If it's stop and go, you just turn it on and sit there.

[BimmerM3]

That's what the forester is... A jacked up imprezza with different sheet metal rather than the jacked up imprezza with mostly the same sheet metal rather then the base imprezza

A Subaru buyer is going to be a Subaru buyer... Price, economy, and acceleration be damned

Sub-compact vs. compact and ~$2500 difference.

[Laconian]

I 'ed.

TMI

I will say, everyone who has said it's unnecessary, then rode with me and watched it in action in heavy traffic immediately get it.  If it's stop and go, you just turn it on and sit there.

Agreed, it's amazing. The Subaru has been rear-ended twice by inattentive phone-engrossed drivers in stop and go. At this point I think I prefer robots to do the tailgating.

[AutobahnSHO]

Agreed, it's amazing. The Subaru has been rear-ended twice by inattentive phone-engrossed drivers in stop and go. At this point I think I prefer robots to do the tailgating.

It's coming!

They need to build in the dashcams. Then you have easy court evidence and the meat-holding-steering-wheel cars will become detrimental vs the computer cars.