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Title: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: r0tor on November 07, 2008, 09:51:00 AM
So, today to fend off my ever growing insanity from working 10 of the last 11 days on 12 or more hour shifts with no days off in sight for a couple weeks - I've begun to daydream about that dream car you always wanted but is just out of reach... and then begin searching the interwebs for used examples that just may be now within your reach!


i've found some fine examples so far...

2005 Audi S4 (V8) for $25k
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___6SPD-PREM-PKG-BOSE-SHADES-BIG-BRAKES-FULL-SERV-HIST_W0QQitemZ380078482138QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20TrucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item380078482138&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A727%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___6SPD-PREM-PKG-BOSE-SHADES-BIG-BRAKES-FULL-SERV-HIST_W0QQitemZ380078482138QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20TrucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item380078482138&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A727%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318)

or how about a 2007 Audi RS4 for $42k
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Audi-RS4-Loaded-1-OWNER-PREMIUM-PKG-NAVIGATION-XM-RADIO-MINT-COND_W0QQitemZ350118912586QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item350118912586&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A3%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Audi-RS4-Loaded-1-OWNER-PREMIUM-PKG-NAVIGATION-XM-RADIO-MINT-COND_W0QQitemZ350118912586QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item350118912586&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A3%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318)

:wub:

Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: SVT666 on November 07, 2008, 10:05:46 AM
2001 Mustang Cobras are now available for under $18K in my part of the world.
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: SVT666 on November 07, 2008, 10:07:56 AM
1997 Cobra Verts are available for under $12K now.
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: SVT666 on November 07, 2008, 10:10:15 AM
1996 BMW M3 with low mileage is available for $11,800 at a dealer in Vancouver.
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: r0tor on November 07, 2008, 10:15:46 AM
BMW E46 M3 for $23k
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___2002-BMW-3-Series-M3-Coupe-DINAN-Exhaust-WHITE_W0QQitemZ270298229571QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20TrucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item270298229571&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A3%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: Byteme on November 07, 2008, 10:25:20 AM
The Factory 5 Cobra replica is only $13,000 + a used Mustang a buch of misc parts and a lot of labour.  Figure $30K total for a pretty good one.
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: the Teuton on November 07, 2008, 10:29:43 AM
(http://gallery.photo.net/photo/2132643-lg.jpg)

That's my cheap dream car.
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: Vinsanity on November 07, 2008, 10:41:12 AM
maybe someday...

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=250731723 (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=250731723)

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=249714645 (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=249714645)
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: TBR on November 07, 2008, 02:18:51 PM
I hope you get paid overtime.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___1989-Peugeot-MI-16-Restored-Driver_W0QQitemZ170277081455QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20TrucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item170277081455&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A7|39%3A1|240%3A1318
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 07, 2008, 02:23:24 PM
Miata. It's at least $4k for a decent one.
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: BimmerM3 on November 07, 2008, 03:04:41 PM
Quote from: NACar on November 07, 2008, 02:23:24 PM
Miata. It's at least $4k for a decent one.

+1, although my issue isn't the money as much as it is convincing my dad to go for it.
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: FlatBlackCaddy on November 07, 2008, 03:21:06 PM
I've come damn close a few times, it's a hard one to resist.

Twin Turbo V8  :confused: :wub: :rockon:

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp;?tracktype=usedcc&searchType=21&pageNumber=0&numResultsPerPage=50&largeNumResultsPerPage=0&sortorder=descending&sortfield=PRICE+descending&certifiedOnly=false&criteria=K-%7cE-%7cM-_4_%7cD-_7028_%7cN-N%7cR-100%7cI-1%2c7%7cP-PRICE+descending%7cQ-descending%7cZ-55025&aff=national&paId=290043048&recnum=0&leadExists=true (http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp;?tracktype=usedcc&searchType=21&pageNumber=0&numResultsPerPage=50&largeNumResultsPerPage=0&sortorder=descending&sortfield=PRICE+descending&certifiedOnly=false&criteria=K-%7cE-%7cM-_4_%7cD-_7028_%7cN-N%7cR-100%7cI-1%2c7%7cP-PRICE+descending%7cQ-descending%7cZ-55025&aff=national&paId=290043048&recnum=0&leadExists=true)
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: Onslaught on November 07, 2008, 03:45:31 PM
Right now all cars are out of my reach! I'm not spending one dime on a car until work picks up again and that will probably be a few years from now.
By then who knows what will be out. So my MX-5 better have lots of life left in her. I just wish I'd not put those stiff Racing Beat springs on her now.


Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: S204STi on November 07, 2008, 03:50:45 PM
Porsche 911 C4S... :drool:
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: sportyaccordy on November 07, 2008, 03:58:49 PM
Quote from: R-inge on November 07, 2008, 03:50:45 PM
Porsche 911 C4S... :drool:
Word up, I want one one day

I think my next car's gonna be an old M3
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: the Teuton on November 07, 2008, 04:00:52 PM
Let's be honest, Sporty.  This is your next attainable dream car.

(http://www.midwestautousedparts.com/carshow06/14.jpg)
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on November 07, 2008, 04:04:07 PM
The ZO6,but I'll settle for a regular C6. I'm not hard to please.
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: S204STi on November 07, 2008, 04:08:37 PM
Quote from: sportyaccordy on November 07, 2008, 03:58:49 PM
Word up, I want one one day

I think my next car's gonna be an old M3

Which generation?
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: giant_mtb on November 07, 2008, 04:30:59 PM
Quote from: r0tor on November 07, 2008, 09:51:00 AM



i've found some fine examples so far...

2005 Audi S4 (V8) for $25k
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___6SPD-PREM-PKG-BOSE-SHADES-BIG-BRAKES-FULL-SERV-HIST_W0QQitemZ380078482138QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20TrucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item380078482138&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A727%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___6SPD-PREM-PKG-BOSE-SHADES-BIG-BRAKES-FULL-SERV-HIST_W0QQitemZ380078482138QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20TrucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item380078482138&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A727%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318)




Oh. My. God.  I want.  But in black.
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: sportyaccordy on November 07, 2008, 04:45:37 PM
Quote from: R-inge on November 07, 2008, 04:08:37 PM
Which generation?
The only generation that hasn't attained classic car status, but at the same time is old enough to have relinquished douchebag status...

(http://www.coches-motos.com/piccoches/coche893032037.jpg)

A well kept example goes for 12Kish now. If not that, then a 328i. More money for mods
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: FlatBlackCaddy on November 07, 2008, 04:59:20 PM
Quote from: the Teuton on November 07, 2008, 04:00:52 PM
Let's be honest, Sporty.  This is your next attainable dream car.

(http://www.midwestautousedparts.com/carshow06/14.jpg)


I know, i think he's in too deep to escape the mighty H.

With time and much training he may be able to break free.
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: sportyaccordy on November 07, 2008, 05:00:22 PM
LMAO, Teuton you're hilarious...
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: the Teuton on November 07, 2008, 07:40:06 PM
Quote from: sportyaccordy on November 07, 2008, 05:00:22 PM
LMAO, Teuton you're hilarious...

I try, I try.
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: Lebowski on November 07, 2008, 08:39:27 PM
My perrenial dream car, a 911.

It's not so much out of my reach, as it is that it would just be stupid to spend money on a new car right now.
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: hotrodalex on November 07, 2008, 09:22:28 PM
(http://www.autocult.com.au/img/gallery/full/BH5EB3N4.jpg)
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: r0tor on November 08, 2008, 06:21:44 AM
Quote from: giant_mtb on November 07, 2008, 04:30:59 PM
Oh. My. God.  I want.  But in black.

There are a couple CPO B6 S4's in my area for $25-27k... i may check them out soon
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on November 08, 2008, 10:10:32 AM
Quote from: hotrodalex on November 07, 2008, 09:22:28 PM
(http://www.autocult.com.au/img/gallery/full/BH5EB3N4.jpg)
Look at the panel gap on that thing! LOL! Still,I would love to have one of those.
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: GoCougs on November 08, 2008, 10:26:37 AM
Quote from: Lebowski on November 07, 2008, 08:39:27 PM
My perrenial dream car, a 911.

It's not so much out of my reach, as it is that it would just be stupid to spend money on a new car right now.

How are those not the same?
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: Lebowski on November 08, 2008, 11:23:35 AM
Quote from: GoCougs on November 08, 2008, 10:26:37 AM
How are those not the same?

As someone who lives well below your means yourself, I think you know exactly how they are not the same.  It's a matter of priorities.

I could walk into a Porsche dealership and pay cash for a 911 Turbo today if I wanted to, but doing so would not be a particularly good financial decision.

Out of reach = you can't afford it.

That's not the same as being able to afford something, but being prudent enough to save your money.  Most Americans do not get this concept, which is why we are in our current mess.  Sadly, to many Americans, if they can afford the payment on something it is within reach.  I don't live that way.  I define "within my reach" as able to pay cash for something without having to incur any debt, tap my retirement savings, or making any adjustments to my current standard of living.  Even then, just because something is "within my reach" doesn't mean I buy it, hence the lack of a 911 in my driveway.
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: GoCougs on November 08, 2008, 11:35:13 AM
Quote from: Lebowski on November 08, 2008, 11:23:35 AM
It's a matter of priorities.

I could walk into a Porsche dealership and pay cash for a 911 Turbo today if I wanted to, but doing so would not be a particularly good financial decision.

Out of reach = you can't afford it.

That's not the same as being able to afford something, but being prudent enough to save your money.

"Not (be) a particularly good financial decision" = can't afford it.
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: Lebowski on November 08, 2008, 11:45:50 AM
Quote from: GoCougs on November 08, 2008, 11:35:13 AM
"Not (be) a particularly good financial decision" = can't afford it.

As usual, you are incorrect.

Quote
afford

verb
1.  be able to spare or give up; "I can't afford to spend two hours with this person" 
2.  be the cause or source of; "He gave me a lot of trouble"; "Our meeting afforded much interesting information" [syn: yield] 
3.  have the financial means to do something or buy something; "We can't afford to send our children to college"; "Can you afford this car?" 
4.  afford access to; "the door opens to the patio"; "The French doors give onto a terrace" 


ANY discretionary purchase is, by definition, a poor decision viewed purely from the financial point of view.  That doesn't mean we should make zero discretionary purchases, it just means we have to balance how much enjoyment we get out of them vs. other uses of the funds.

Looked at another way, would I rather own a Porsche 911 or would I rather own an incremental $130k worth of stocks at prices that represent 10 year lows?  The fact that I have that choice by definition means I can "afford" either, but must choose between the two.  I choose the latter.


Warren Buffet doesn't drive an expensive car, because he chooses instead to own an incremental share or two of BRK/A.  Does that mean he can't afford an expensive car?
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: TBR on November 08, 2008, 12:21:54 PM
Quote from: Lebowski on November 08, 2008, 11:23:35 AM
As someone who lives well below your means yourself, I think you know exactly how they are not the same.  It's a matter of priorities.

I could walk into a Porsche dealership and pay cash for a 911 Turbo today if I wanted to, but doing so would not be a particularly good financial decision.

Out of reach = you can't afford it.

That's not the same as being able to afford something, but being prudent enough to save your money.  Most Americans do not get this concept, which is why we are in our current mess.  Sadly, to many Americans, if they can afford the payment on something it is within reach.  I don't live that way.  I define "within my reach" as able to pay cash for something without having to incur any debt, tap my retirement savings, or making any adjustments to my current standard of living.  Even then, just because something is "within my reach" doesn't mean I buy it, hence the lack of a 911 in my driveway.

Even if it was a prudent financial decision I wouldn't think it would be a prudent career decision considering the business you are in.
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: Onslaught on November 08, 2008, 12:30:01 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___1994-Mazda-RX-7-Twin-Turbo-Rotary-5051-original-miles_W0QQitemZ260312024613QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20TrucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item260312024613&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A7%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1308#ht_500wt_0

This would do after I put the original rims back on it. And I'd never pay that much for one regardless of it's condition.
It's nice however!
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: Cookie Monster on November 08, 2008, 03:55:22 PM
Quote from: Onslaught on November 08, 2008, 12:30:01 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___1994-Mazda-RX-7-Twin-Turbo-Rotary-5051-original-miles_W0QQitemZ260312024613QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20TrucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item260312024613&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A7%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1308#ht_500wt_0

This would do after I put the original rims back on it. And I'd never pay that much for one regardless of it's condition.
It's nice however!
I need to ask:

What n00bcake buys an RX-7 and then puts 5,000 miles over the course of 14 years? :wtf:
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: Soup DeVille on November 08, 2008, 04:00:17 PM
Quote from: thecarnut on November 08, 2008, 03:55:22 PM
I need to ask:

What n00bcake buys an RX-7 and then puts 5,000 miles over the course of 14 years? :wtf:

A lot of people bought them and squirreled them away.
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: Onslaught on November 08, 2008, 04:49:25 PM
Quote from: thecarnut on November 08, 2008, 03:55:22 PM
I need to ask:

What n00bcake buys an RX-7 and then puts 5,000 miles over the course of 14 years? :wtf:
One that will hopefully make me a happy man one day. I should start buying spare motors and turbos so I can keep one running.
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: Rich on November 09, 2008, 05:02:11 AM
(http://i13.ebayimg.com/01/i/001/18/ec/3b3f_1.JPG)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___2005-911-Coupe-Carrera-2_W0QQitemZ110307045763QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20TrucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item110307045763&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A317|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318

(http://carad.ebayimg.com/i12/08/a/000/79/47/d24c_4.JPG)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___NEW-6-2-LITER-C6-Z51-6-SPEED-HOUSTON-TEXAS-13K-MILES_W0QQitemZ130266733060QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20TrucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item130266733060&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A317|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1308
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: dazzleman on November 09, 2008, 06:09:06 AM
Over the years, I've had a lot of dream cars that were out of reach financially.

My original dream car was a 1968-vintage Mercury Cougar.  At the time, the only ones I ciuld afford were in poor condition.

The 280Z was a dream car for me in the 1970s and the RX-7 in the 1980s.

I actually owmed a low-level 'dream car' for a while when I had my '73 Firebird, but it was a maintenance nightmare.

For a while, I loved the BMW Z-8.

But now, I can pretty much buy the car I want, within reason, and my thinking is like Lebowski's.  It's not so much a matter of whether I can afford but, but whether the money spent is worthwhile considering the level of enjoyment it brings.  Driving only about 8,000 miles a year has deterred me from getting a second car.  It would just be a wasting asset.
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: AutobahnSHO on November 09, 2008, 07:53:14 AM
Quote from: GoCougs on November 08, 2008, 11:35:13 AM
"Not (be) a particularly good financial decision" = can't afford it.

-1

Lots of people make purchases they CAN afford but is not a wise move.
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: S204STi on November 09, 2008, 08:00:43 AM
There's actually a 1999 996 Carrera for sale next door at our Saturn store... for $24,000. :mask:

3.4 made 300hp right?  I'd rock that.
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: GoCougs on November 10, 2008, 11:04:29 AM
Quote from: Lebowski on November 08, 2008, 11:45:50 AM
As usual, you are incorrect.

ANY discretionary purchase is, by definition, a poor decision viewed purely from the financial point of view.  That doesn't mean we should make zero discretionary purchases, it just means we have to balance how much enjoyment we get out of them vs. other uses of the funds.

Looked at another way, would I rather own a Porsche 911 or would I rather own an incremental $130k worth of stocks at prices that represent 10 year lows?  The fact that I have that choice by definition means I can "afford" either, but must choose between the two.  I choose the latter.


Warren Buffet doesn't drive an expensive car, because he chooses instead to own an incremental share or two of BRK/A.  Does that mean he can't afford an expensive car?

Let me help you further, free of charge:

Quote from: GoCougs on November 08, 2008, 11:35:13 AM
If a rapidly depreciating, utterly non-essential asset such as a high-performance sports car is a significant portion of, of significantly larger than, your total net worth = "Not (be) a particularly good financial decision" = can't afford it.

Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: BimmerM3 on November 10, 2008, 11:19:02 AM
Quote from: Lebowski on November 07, 2008, 08:39:27 PM
My perrenial dream car, a 911.

It's not so much out of my reach, as it is that it would just be stupid to spend money on a new car right now.

You are in dire need of a mid-life crisis.
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: Lebowski on November 10, 2008, 11:24:47 AM
Quote from: GoCougs on November 10, 2008, 11:04:29 AM
Let me help you further, free of charge:



Again, your grasp of the definition is lacking.

For one thing, how essential or non-essential something is is totally independent of whether you have the means to possess it.

Try again.  Or better yet, try something entirely new and admit you're wrong (as usual).
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: sportyaccordy on November 10, 2008, 01:09:01 PM
Quote from: Lebowski on November 07, 2008, 08:39:27 PM
My perrenial dream car, a 911.

It's not so much out of my reach, as it is that it would just be stupid to spend money on a new car right now.

You could easily trade the C6 for a 996 C2S.

There is probably little to no difference in practicality either. And I imagine the 911 would be better on gas around town.

A 911 is always a good buy.

LMAO @ Cougs trying to bait you into buying one.
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: Champ on November 10, 2008, 01:17:13 PM
It'd have to be a Lotus for me, either Elise or Exige!
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: 565 on November 10, 2008, 02:24:34 PM
Holy depreciation!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BMW-M5-M5-06-INTERLAGOS-M5-1-OWNER-FL-ACTIVE-SEATS-WHOLESALE-BIN_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a3Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1308QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem330283001297QQitemZ330283001297QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks

43k buy it now price.

(http://photos2.ebizautos.com/3790/3400419_10.jpg)
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: the Teuton on November 10, 2008, 03:09:00 PM
The SMG is kind of an acquired taste when it comes to driving and I'm sure there's some way to override it, but it will shift for you if you don't.  That being said, I remember the cheapest M5 we had on our lot was $92,000 over the summer.  That's positively a bargain!

I just found a 2.5RS for $2,500, but alas it's an auto, the engine is going bad (doesn't really matter with all of the cheap options out there), and I'm not in the position to buy it.  It might as well be $25,000 at this point.   :cry:
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: The Pirate on November 10, 2008, 11:24:47 PM
Quote from: sportyaccordy on November 07, 2008, 04:45:37 PM
The only generation that hasn't attained classic car status, but at the same time is old enough to have relinquished douchebag status...

(http://www.coches-motos.com/piccoches/coche893032037.jpg)

A well kept example goes for 12Kish now. If not that, then a 328i. More money for mods

You and me both, man.  That's exactly where I'm at, automobile-wise.  That, or an LS1 GTO or an S197 'Stang GT.
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: J86 on November 11, 2008, 06:17:28 AM
Dream car that's just out of reach price-wise...whatever the somewhat interesting crapbox du jour is on craigslist!  Semi realistically, the just-out of reach dreamcar is a late 90s/early 00s Saab.  Dreamcar can't be too special if it's gotta be semi realistic on a college budget!
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: Byteme on November 11, 2008, 06:57:23 AM
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on November 09, 2008, 07:53:14 AM
-1

Lots of people make purchases they CAN afford but is not a wise move.

In economics utility theory will tell you that it is a wise move.
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: GoCougs on November 11, 2008, 09:08:21 AM
Quote from: Lebowski on November 10, 2008, 11:24:47 AM
Again, your grasp of the definition is lacking.

For one thing, how essential or non-essential something is is totally independent of whether you have the means to possess it.

Try again.  Or better yet, try something entirely new and admit you're wrong (as usual).

If it gives you pause, you can't afford it - especially so for something so non-essential as a $130k car.

There's no shame in it (other than trying to high-roll to impress a bunch of people on the Internets...).
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: Byteme on November 11, 2008, 10:24:34 AM
Quote from: GoCougs on November 11, 2008, 09:08:21 AM
If it gives you pause, you can't afford it - especially so for something so non-essential as a $130k car.

There's no shame in it (other than trying to high-roll to impress a bunch of people on the Internets...).

In a word, no.  I know many people that ware wealthy by any rational measure who think long and hard about purchasing big and even not so big ticket items.
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: BimmerM3 on November 11, 2008, 12:35:20 PM
Quote from: Byteme on November 11, 2008, 10:24:34 AM
In a word, no.  I know many people that ware wealthy by any rational measure who think long and hard about purchasing big and even not so big ticket items.

+1.

I'm sure you guys have all heard of Clark Howard. The dude is a millionaire and still bargain shops everything.
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: the Teuton on November 11, 2008, 12:41:43 PM
Quote from: BimmerM3 on November 11, 2008, 12:35:20 PM
+1.

I'm sure you guys have all heard of Clark Howard. The dude is a millionaire and still bargain shops everything.

So does Ron Jeremy.  It's one way to stay a millionaire.
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: GoCougs on November 11, 2008, 12:48:26 PM
Quote from: Byteme on November 11, 2008, 10:24:34 AM
In a word, no.  I know many people that ware wealthy by any rational measure who think long and hard about purchasing big and even not so big ticket items.

Let's not kid ourselves about the context of the discussion.
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: Lebowski on November 11, 2008, 12:55:36 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on November 11, 2008, 09:08:21 AM

If it gives you pause, you can't afford it - especially so for something so non-essential as a $130k car.


If a $130k purchase doesn't give you "pause", you're an idiot, whether you are worth nothing or $10 million.
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: Lebowski on November 11, 2008, 01:05:14 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on November 11, 2008, 12:48:26 PM

Let's not kid ourselves about the context of the discussion.


You're right, let's not. 

The context of the discussion was, I made a comment that had nothing to do with you and you took the opportunity to climb up on your soapbox.  Had it been anyone else, you wouldn't have crawled up their butt spouting off your misinformed idea of what "within your reach" means.

The root of the argument is, the concept of anyone younger than Cougs achieving any measure of success makes him extremely uncomfortable.  It's pretty clear you are an extremely insecure individual, you may want to look inside yourself for the source of that.

Not everything is a competition.  You know nothing of mine (or anyone else's) situation.  If I or anyone else makes a comment that I would like to buy such and such but decided not to, it's not your place to jump in (with ZERO knowledge of that person's situation) and start spouting off your ill-informed opinions, with a helping of your characteristic condescending attitude on the side.
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: sportyaccordy on November 11, 2008, 01:39:15 PM
Bowski I still think you should pick up the 911, Vettes are so midlife crisis.

911s = the German couple from Supertroopers
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: Raza on November 11, 2008, 01:50:20 PM
Quote from: the Teuton on November 07, 2008, 10:29:43 AM
(http://gallery.photo.net/photo/2132643-lg.jpg)

That's my cheap dream car.

You are so predictable it's getting boring.

I hope you're a character too, like RBA was.
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: Raza on November 11, 2008, 01:53:03 PM
Quote from: sportyaccordy on November 07, 2008, 04:45:37 PM
The only generation that hasn't attained classic car status, but at the same time is old enough to have relinquished douchebag status...

(http://www.coches-motos.com/piccoches/coche893032037.jpg)

A well kept example goes for 12Kish now. If not that, then a 328i. More money for mods

The 328is and 325is particularly are pretty good deals on the used market.  I've seen 328is models going for under 7K.
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: sportyaccordy on November 11, 2008, 04:44:27 PM
Quote from: Raza  on November 11, 2008, 01:50:20 PM
You are so predictable it's getting boring.

I hope you're a character too, like RBA was.
:lol:
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: GoCougs on November 11, 2008, 08:20:53 PM
Quote from: Lebowski on November 11, 2008, 01:05:14 PM
You're right, let's not. 

The context of the discussion was, I made a comment that had nothing to do with you and you took the opportunity to climb up on your soapbox.  Had it been anyone else, you wouldn't have crawled up their butt spouting off your misinformed idea of what "within your reach" means.

The root of the argument is, the concept of anyone younger than Cougs achieving any measure of success makes him extremely uncomfortable.  It's pretty clear you are an extremely insecure individual, you may want to look inside yourself for the source of that.

Not everything is a competition.  You know nothing of mine (or anyone else's) situation.  If I or anyone else makes a comment that I would like to buy such and such but decided not to, it's not your place to jump in (with ZERO knowledge of that person's situation) and start spouting off your ill-informed opinions, with a helping of your characteristic condescending attitude on the side.

You got me - driving a ~ $28k car and living in an apartment has me all kinds of threatened.

(FWIW - relax, yer exhibiting the classic signs of being able to dish it out yet not take it, which doesn't bode well for ya on a number of different levels.)
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: TBR on November 11, 2008, 08:33:08 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on November 11, 2008, 08:20:53 PM
You got me - driving a ~ $28k car and living in an apartment has me all kinds of threatened.

(FWIW - relax, yer exhibiting the classic signs of being able to dish it out yet not take it, which doesn't bode well for ya on a number of different levels.)

You've been telling him to buy a house for years and he's been saying that the prices were too high, now that the real estate market has crashed it seems pretty obvious who was right.

Also, some people consider renting to be a luxury in that they don't have to deal with the hassle of maintaining a home (I personally consider home owning a luxury, but that's just me).

To judge him based only one his car and his house (or lack thereof) pretty much just proves his point. A wealthy person has only a small portion of his/her wealth wrapped up in personal cars/homes so you making this blind judgements on him pretty much just proves that you're trying to establish that he is less successful than you (while that seems to not be the case).
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: Lebowski on November 11, 2008, 08:42:15 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on November 11, 2008, 08:20:53 PM
You got me - driving a ~ $28k car and living in an apartment has me all kinds of threatened.

(FWIW - relax, yer exhibiting the classic signs of being able to dish it out yet not take it, which doesn't bode well for ya on a number of different levels.)

I don't live in an apartment, and I sure as shit don't define success by the car I drive (nor do you, Mr. $3k Accord) ... that's sort of what this entire thread is about, in case you missed it.  I didn't say threatened, I said it makes you uncomfortable and reveals your insecurities, which it does.  If Dazzleman or any of the other older guys had posted the exact same post I did, you would have said nothing, but because it's someone younger than you it gets you all hopped up on estrogen.  This isn't the first time you've done this - hell at one point you went so far as to blatantly accuse me of lying.  Ball busting is one thing, but you take it beyond that.

Dish it out and can't take it?  I'm just calling it how it is.  Aren't you the one who totally lost your cool a couple weeks ago when I pointed out the hypocrisy related to yet another of your preposterous claims (I think this one was the time you claimed mortgage originators faced zero risk on the exact same day you started a thread bitching about how you lost your ass on Wamu ... oh the irony!).  I think it's pretty clear who can't take it.

Listen man, it's not my fault it took you until you were 42 y/o after changing jobs 36 times and living like a hobo all of your adult life to build up any appreciable level of savings, so direct your bitterness elsewhere. 
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: GoCougs on November 11, 2008, 08:52:23 PM
Quote from: TBR on November 11, 2008, 08:33:08 PM
You've been telling him to buy a house for years and he's been saying that the prices were too high, now that the real estate market has crashed it seems pretty obvious who was right.

Also, some people consider renting to be a luxury in that they don't have to deal with the hassle of maintaining a home (I personally consider home owning a luxury, but that's just me).

To judge him based only one his car and his house (or lack thereof) pretty much just proves his point. A wealthy person has only a small portion of his/her wealth wrapped up in personal cars/homes so you making this blind judgements on him pretty much just proves that you're trying to establish that he is less successful than you (while that seems to not be the case).

Lebowski has a knack for drive-by sniping (a more severe case than I is his creepy masturbatory fixation with Raza's financial situation), which in a lot of cases I think he mostly means as somewhat good-nature hazing, but it doesn't come off that way a lot of times.

When he's on the other end of it, he doesn't handle it so well. He's a very simple creature to figure out, if you pay attention, so no secrets there. So, the only question that remains is, Why are you involved?
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 11, 2008, 08:55:36 PM
You are all boobs.
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: Lebowski on November 11, 2008, 09:01:21 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on November 11, 2008, 08:52:23 PM

(a more severe case than I is his creepy masturbatory fixation with Raza's financial situation),


Re-read this thread from start to finish, and tell me who has a creepy masturbatory fixation with others' financial situations.

I give Raza (and others here) shit because I'm friends with him (them).  I have no problem with good natured hazing, let's not pretend that's what you do here.  Good natured hazing requires a sense of humor - count Cougs out on that one.

As for TBR getting "involved" ... this is a public forum, not a private conversation.  You're making a total ass of yourself and shouldn't be surprised when someone points out, again, your blatant hypocrisy.
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: GoCougs on November 11, 2008, 09:18:33 PM
Quote from: NACar on November 11, 2008, 08:55:36 PM
You are all boobs.

LOL - true enough...
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: Rich on November 11, 2008, 09:43:02 PM
Quote from: NACar on November 11, 2008, 08:55:36 PM
You are all boobs.

I like boobs
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: sportyaccordy on November 12, 2008, 07:46:01 AM
This thread is awesome

LEbowski how about this...

Lower your tax burden by making a charitable donation: buy me the 911. Then you prove to Cougs you can afford it, and don't bear the guilt of Porsche ownership. It's a win win.

Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: SVT_Power on November 12, 2008, 09:43:36 AM
Quote from: NACar on November 11, 2008, 08:55:36 PM
You are all boobs.

:lol:
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: hotrodalex on November 12, 2008, 01:13:48 PM
Quote from: HotRodPilot on November 11, 2008, 09:43:02 PM
I like boobs

Yeah, but these boobs are man boobs. Not quite the same thing I'm afraid... :lol:
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: Raza on November 13, 2008, 04:04:27 PM
Quote from: Lebowski on November 11, 2008, 09:01:21 PM
I give Raza (and others here) shit because I'm friends with him (them).  I have no problem with good natured hazing, let's not pretend that's what you do here.  Good natured hazing requires a sense of humor - count Cougs out on that one.

Really?  I just thought you were being a raging, balding douche, taking it out on the world because your gold chain turns your wifebeater green and your car is made up 100% of recycled Shasta cola bottles.   :huh:


:lol:
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: Secret Chimp on November 13, 2008, 04:05:33 PM
Quote from: NACar on November 07, 2008, 02:23:24 PM
Miata. It's at least $4k for a decent one.

I CAUGHT YOU
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 13, 2008, 04:11:36 PM
Quote from: Secret Chimp on November 13, 2008, 04:05:33 PM
I CAUGHT YOU

You think I would really want one of those ghey-mobiles over my turbo shaggin'-wagen? Pffft. I was obviously joking.
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: dazzleman on November 13, 2008, 06:55:42 PM
Quote from: Lebowski on November 11, 2008, 08:42:15 PM
I don't live in an apartment, and I sure as shit don't define success by the car I drive (nor do you, Mr. $3k Accord) ... that's sort of what this entire thread is about, in case you missed it.  I didn't say threatened, I said it makes you uncomfortable and reveals your insecurities, which it does.  If Dazzleman or any of the other older guys had posted the exact same post I did, you would have said nothing, but because it's someone younger than you it gets you all hopped up on estrogen.  This isn't the first time you've done this - hell at one point you went so far as to blatantly accuse me of lying.  Ball busting is one thing, but you take it beyond that.

Dish it out and can't take it?  I'm just calling it how it is.  Aren't you the one who totally lost your cool a couple weeks ago when I pointed out the hypocrisy related to yet another of your preposterous claims (I think this one was the time you claimed mortgage originators faced zero risk on the exact same day you started a thread bitching about how you lost your ass on Wamu ... oh the irony!).  I think it's pretty clear who can't take it.

Listen man, it's not my fault it took you until you were 42 y/o after changing jobs 36 times and living like a hobo all of your adult life to build up any appreciable level of savings, so direct your bitterness elsewhere. 

:popcorn:

Just for the record, I think I jumped in earlier in the thread to agree with you, that it is possible to be able to afford something, strictly speaking, but for it still to be an unwise expenditure financially.  That is really the definition of having 'discretionary' income, as opposed to living hand-to-mouth, at least the way I view it.  There are lots of things I could afford, in the sense that I have the money for them, but I choose not to buy because I'd rather save the money.
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: S204STi on November 13, 2008, 07:30:18 PM
Quote from: Raza  on November 13, 2008, 04:04:27 PM
Really?  I just thought you were being a raging, balding douche, taking it out on the world because your gold chain turns your wifebeater green and your car is made up 100% of recycled Shasta cola bottles.   :huh:


:lol:

I just spewed Shasta all over my keyboard.  Thanks a lot.
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: dazzleman on November 13, 2008, 07:41:37 PM
Quote from: Raza  link=topic=16343.msg922011#msg922011 date=1226617467
Really?  I just thought you were being a raging, balding douche, taking it out on the world because your gold chain turns your wifebeater green and your car is made up 100% of recycled Shasta cola bottles.   :huh:


:lol:

:lol:
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: Raza on November 13, 2008, 08:31:15 PM
Quote from: R-inge on November 13, 2008, 07:30:18 PM
I just spewed Shasta all over my keyboard.  Thanks a lot.

Haha!  Man, I haven't had a Shasta since I was in Valley Forge.
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: dazzleman on November 15, 2008, 07:35:06 AM
Quote from: Raza  link=topic=16343.msg922323#msg922323 date=1226633475
Haha!  Man, I haven't had a Shasta since I was in Valley Forge.

Was that part of their program of sensory deprivation in order to bring about behavior modification?
Title: Re: That dream car thats just out of reach pricewise...
Post by: TurboDan on November 15, 2008, 07:58:21 PM
Ahhhhhhhhhh.........

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___HUGE-LUXURY-CAR-SALE-7-DAYS-2005-MERCEDES-SL500_W0QQitemZ120334284024QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20TrucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item120334284024&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A-2|39%3A1|240%3A1318