A Chrysler dealership in Quebec, outside Montreal, is having a 2 for 1 sale on cars. Two weeks ago they had a sale where if you bought a Chrysler 300C, you got a 2009 Caliber for free. They only had one left at the end of the weekend.
This weekend they are offering a free 2009 Caliber with the purchase of any 4x4 including Jeeps.
Sounds like a pretty shitty deal to me. :lol:
This is what I want Ferrari and Maserati to do when Fiat comes back to the US. I don't want a crappy Caliber. I'd rather take all of the sound deadening, stereo, power windows, and foam on the seats out of my car and drive it like that with a piece of aluminum foil in my mouth than own a Caliber.
Even if they were just giving them away, I'm not sure that I would take one;
You could probably make a couple grand off that deal very easily. Just turn around and sell the Caliber for a ridiculous price. Someone would buy it if you had it listed at 5K.
Quote from: Tave on December 10, 2008, 09:46:12 AM
You could probably make a couple grand off that deal very easily. Just turn around and sell the Caliber for a ridiculous price. Someone would buy it if you had it listed at 5K.
Yeah. The only problem is that Chrysler dealers will usually negotiate the price down at least $5000, and with this deal there's no dickering. You're really no further ahead.
I like the exterior.
Dunno why, I just do.
Is the Caliber that bad?
I once had the chance to testdrive a Euro diesel Caliber (VW TDI engine) and I thought it was pretty decent (the car). Sure, the interior was pretty plasticky but it didn't feel like it was going to fall apart soon. The whole car felt reasonably well-built too. I don't know, just didn't seem like a bad car to me. :huh:
i'd rather have a fuchsia caliper than a free caliber.
(http://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2007/07/brake_caliper_paint.jpg)
:wub:
If anyone is going to take advantage of this deal and doesn't want the Caliber, I'd be willing to take it. :lol:
Quote from: cawimmer430 on December 10, 2008, 10:09:02 AM
Is the Caliber that bad?
I once had the chance to testdrive a Euro diesel Caliber (VW TDI engine) and I thought it was pretty decent (the car). Sure, the interior was pretty plasticky but it didn't feel like it was going to fall apart soon. The whole car felt reasonably well-built too. I don't know, just didn't seem like a bad car to me. :huh:
We love our K Cars and my Augsburg German prof said it was the first car he drove in the US and he hated it with a passion. (He drives a Z3 in Deutschland)
We all hate the Caliber and you love it. I don't get it.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on December 10, 2008, 10:09:02 AM
Is the Caliber that bad?
I once had the chance to testdrive a Euro diesel Caliber (VW TDI engine) and I thought it was pretty decent (the car). Sure, the interior was pretty plasticky but it didn't feel like it was going to fall apart soon. The whole car felt reasonably well-built too. I don't know, just didn't seem like a bad car to me. :huh:
It's terrible. It is without a doubt the worst car I've ever driven. The center stack is shaped in a way that your knee has nowhere to rest except on the corner (see picture below), the CVT is the worst CVT I've ever driven (our Freestyle has a great CVT as do Nissans), the seats are horribly uncomfortable, the real world fuel economy was shit, the handling was terrible, the interior materials feel like they were made by Fisher Price, and the steering was somewhat...vague. Not to mention it's ugly.
Honestly I would take my old 1978 Chrysler Cordoba with a 175 hp 5.9L V8 then the Caliber.
(http://www.dodge.com/shared/2008/caliber/interior/images/lb_interior_accents.jpg)
last summer I wanted to rent a car from Enterprise for a long road trip. When I got there all they had was a caliber (I don't remember what I requested--it wasn't a Caliber though). So, figuring it couldn't be that bad, I rented it. Long story short, I returned the car 45 min. later because the first thirty miles sucked so badly I couldn't imagine taking it any further. My pickup truck was more comfortable and quiet on the highway. It was a complete and total POS!
Is a brand new design really giving the new-for-1994 Cavalier a run for the money in the refinement department?
Oh dear, my parents are in Hawaii and they said their rental was a "Dodge Caliber or similar".
The next time I see them I'll ask them what they thought and refrain from biasing their response the best I can. If they disliked the Caliber then it is officially worse than the Cavalier, which they have rented before and described as "pretty good!" :rage:
Quote from: Laconian on December 10, 2008, 11:33:08 AM
Oh dear, my parents are in Hawaii and they said their rental was a "Dodge Caliber or similar".
The next time I see them I'll ask them what they thought and refrain from biasing their response the best I can. If they disliked the Caliber then it is officially worse than the Cavalier, which they have rented before and described as "pretty good!" :rage:
I have driven a Cavi, and with the exception that my car is louder, older, and certainly more used than the 2004 I drove, I felt as though the car wasn't as smooth or as intuitive, much less as refined. That being said, by 2004 standards, the car was terrible.
So I read the first half of this thread thinking "Cobalt" instead of "Caliber," and I was just thinking to myself, "Damn, these guys are being harsh. They aren't that bad at all." But yeah, Calibers really are that bad.
I hate Calibers. Ugliest new car since the Aztek.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on December 10, 2008, 12:42:13 PM
I hate Calibers. Ugliest new car since the Aztek.
A car can be ugly and still be good though (Sam Cassell faced WRX)
Guys,
Suppose you could have a Caliber for free. Like absolutely free. But you HAD to drive it regularly. Would you take it?
No, driving the Caliper would be a wasted opportunity to drive a car that I actually enjoy.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on December 10, 2008, 12:53:37 PM
A car can be ugly and still be good though (Sam Cassell faced WRX)
Guys,
Suppose you could have a Caliber for free. Like absolutely free. But you HAD to drive it regularly. Would you take it?
No. I'm willing to pay more for a satisfying car.
If someone offerred me a Caliber for nothing I would accept immediately and drive off before they changed their mind. Anyone who would do otherwise is an idiot. So what if you don't like the car? It's FREE! Sell the damned thing for a profit if you hate it so much you won't drive it.
Sporty added the condition that you must be willing to drive it.
As long as I could still keep the Focus.
I would beat the crap out of that Caliber.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on December 10, 2008, 01:27:24 PM
As long as I could still keep the Focus.
I would beat the crap out of that Caliber.
Rallyx! Too bad the awd only comes with cvt
Yesterday while reserving my rental car for when I go to NF for new year's, they asked me if I wanted to go with the Versa for $169 (5 days), or "move up" to a Caliber for $229. I laughed so hard I almost choked.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on December 10, 2008, 12:53:37 PM
A car can be ugly and still be good though (Sam Cassell faced WRX)
Guys,
Suppose you could have a Caliber for free. Like absolutely free. But you HAD to drive it regularly. Would you take it?
It would be a wonderful winter beater. Also, since it's new, it would need minimal maintenance. Delivery car, perhaps? Make money and drive the life out of the thing. I'd sell my Saturn for a few grand and buy a summer car, like a Miata.
I'm having visions of pieces of plastic coming off the dash over bumps, killing me and my passengers...
Just can't get past that awful interior.
What was the logic behind dumping the successful Neon? In comparison, the Neon seemed like a Godsend.
Quote from: NACar on December 10, 2008, 01:29:26 PM
Rallyx! Too bad the awd only comes with cvt
It's a defensive AWD........Rear wheels only activate if you're "in trouble".
Quote from: 3.0L V6 on December 10, 2008, 01:55:31 PM
It would be a wonderful winter beater.
No, it's still uncomfortable no matter what season you drive it in.
Quote from: HEMI666 on December 10, 2008, 02:22:57 PM
No, it's still uncomfortable no matter what season you drive it in.
It would still be better than the '86 Ranger I used to drive in the winter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-Z4BTyQkvs
TOO TOUGH
Quote from: Laconian on December 10, 2008, 02:25:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-Z4BTyQkvs
TOO TOUGH
I just had to be reminded of their "hit it! rangangurumba" thing at the end of that thing, didn't I.
I sat in a srt caliper at the auto show, and I thought the interior was much better tjan a yaris, anyway. Also, there was plenty of knee room
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on December 10, 2008, 02:25:21 PM
It would still be better than the '86 Ranger I used to drive in the winter.
A buddy of mine had an '87 Ranger, and I quite liked it.
Quote from: HEMI666 on December 10, 2008, 02:50:59 PM
A buddy of mine had an '87 Ranger, and I quite liked it.
My '91 (4.0 V6, 5-speed, 4x4) was a pretty good truck. I still sort of wish I had it.
And I've not driven the Caliber, but I don't think I'd take a free one, unless I could resell it.
If the Caliber was completely free (including gas, insurance, all maintenance), I'd consider it. Otherwise, hellz no.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on December 10, 2008, 12:53:37 PM
A car can be ugly and still be good though (Sam Cassell faced WRX)
Guys,
Suppose you could have a Caliber for free. Like absolutely free. But you HAD to drive it regularly. Would you take it?
Best description for that car ever. :lol: They both look like little bug eyed aliens.
I love my car because it's cheap to run, reliable, relatively nice, and I don't have to worry about the car getting dinged up in city life. Even with a fresh coat of paint on it, I still don't think I'd worry about a Caliber getting beaten to hell. In fact, I might have to encourage it.
I wouldn't be able to get 30 mpg on the highway anymore (24 is terrible for a car of that size), so that might make me a little less than happy. It would all have to come down to refinement and reliability as to whether I'd like one, and seeing as it has a Mitsu engine and I hate Mitsubishis, it might be a little less than stellar.
Quote from: Laconian on December 10, 2008, 02:25:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-Z4BTyQkvs
TOO TOUGH
Too tough for what? The fairy couldn't change it into a girly little chu-chu train or anything because it already looks dumb enough. :rolleyes:
Quote from: 2o6 on December 10, 2008, 02:22:28 PM
It's a defensive AWD........Rear wheels only activate if you're "in trouble".
Guess I'll have to get "in trouble" a lot then. :lol:
Quote from: 2o6 on December 10, 2008, 02:22:28 PM
It's a defensive AWD........Rear wheels only activate if you're "in trouble".
That's easily changed, but usually sych systems are just not tough enough to withstand long duty cycles.
Somewhere there is a guy who made the decision to sign off on the Caliber instead of firing the design team. "Hey guys, this is good car, fit to compete with the best the opposition has to offer."
Anybody, anybody, who cares nothing about cars and regards them as soulless appliances, would have told them that this is a bad car.
I've owned and driven vastly worse cars than a new Caliber. Yeah, it isn't pretty, but a free NEW utility hatchback that runs and has a warranty? Shit, that would have been a miraculous dream when I was only makin $7 a hour and had to make do with free shit that BARELY ran, were beat up, and smelled funny inside from who knows what they had inside in the couple hundred k miles they'd aquired before I got them...
Some of you guys keep proving that you're princesses that could feel a pea under 10 matresses, and if the car isn't a fucking perfect luxury sports car, it's utterly horrible and couldn't be driven or your delicate sensibilities would be forever fractured.
;)
Quote from: ChrisV on December 12, 2008, 01:53:49 PM
I've owned and driven vastly worse cars than a new Caliber. Yeah, it isn't pretty, but a free NEW utility hatchback that runs and has a warranty? Shit, that would have been a miraculous dream when I was only makin $7 a hour and had to make do with free shit that BARELY ran, were beat up, and smelled funny inside from who knows what they had inside in the couple hundred k miles they'd aquired before I got them...
Some of you guys keep proving that you're princesses that could feel a pea under 10 matresses, and if the car isn't a fucking perfect luxury sports car, it's utterly horrible and couldn't be driven or your delicate sensibilities would be forever fractured.
;)
Uphill
both ways!?
Quote from: Raza on December 12, 2008, 01:56:01 PM
Uphill both ways!?
(http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/2792240d.jpg)
there were NO side windows...
(http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/2792240c.jpg)
No side windows, no roof, crumpled up brown shag carpeting, torn brown vinyl upholstery, and more...
Compared to these, a new Caliber is a fucking Mercedes S55. :lol:
Quote from: ChrisV on December 12, 2008, 01:53:49 PM
rant
I would have taken one when I was in high school or college and I had my old '90 Camry. I'm sure the Caliber is better than an 18 year old Toyota in some ways.
I would refuse if it meant giving up the opportunity to drive my current car.
Quote from: Laconian on December 12, 2008, 03:07:25 PM
I would have taken one when I was in high school or college and I had my old '90 Camry. I'm sure the Caliber is better than an 18 year old Toyota in some ways.
I would refuse if it meant giving up the opportunity to drive my current car.
Same here. In my present situation, no thanks. But if my current car were a POS I would take a Caliber in a heartbeat.
Quote from: ChrisV on December 12, 2008, 01:53:49 PM
I've owned and driven vastly worse cars than a new Caliber. Yeah, it isn't pretty, but a free NEW utility hatchback that runs and has a warranty? Shit, that would have been a miraculous dream when I was only makin $7 a hour and had to make do with free shit that BARELY ran, were beat up, and smelled funny inside from who knows what they had inside in the couple hundred k miles they'd aquired before I got them...
Some of you guys keep proving that you're princesses that could feel a pea under 10 matresses, and if the car isn't a fucking perfect luxury sports car, it's utterly horrible and couldn't be driven or your delicate sensibilities would be forever fractured.
;)
You're right, of course. But it's fun to pick on the ugly kids.
I see. Guess it must be a really bad car then. :frown:
Design-wise though it ain't bad-looking. :ohyeah:
Quote from: cawimmer430 on December 13, 2008, 08:30:18 AM
Design-wise though it ain't bad-looking. :ohyeah:[/size]
What the hell have they been teaching you at that school? :lol:
Quote from: ChrisV on December 12, 2008, 01:53:49 PM
I've owned and driven vastly worse cars than a new Caliber. Yeah, it isn't pretty, but a free NEW utility hatchback that runs and has a warranty? Shit, that would have been a miraculous dream when I was only makin $7 a hour and had to make do with free shit that BARELY ran, were beat up, and smelled funny inside from who knows what they had inside in the couple hundred k miles they'd aquired before I got them...
Some of you guys keep proving that you're princesses that could feel a pea under 10 matresses, and if the car isn't a fucking perfect luxury sports car, it's utterly horrible and couldn't be driven or your delicate sensibilities would be forever fractured.
;)
:cheers: I'd take it! Even if I let it sit for 3 years until my lil girl is old enough to drive. Who in their rite mind would refuse a free (new) car? POS or not.
Like others have said, I'd turn down a Caliber over my current car. If I drove a POS, then I'd take the Caliber.
Quote from: The Pirate on December 13, 2008, 06:51:54 PM
Like others have said, I'd turn down a Caliber over my current car. If I drove a POS, then I'd take the Caliber.
+1. I'd rather have the 108,000 mile Accord over the Caliber. If the Caliber was completely and totally 100% free (gas, maintenance, insurance, whatever), then I'd consider it, but otherwise, wouldn't really do me that much good.
Better gas mileage might make me almost consider a Caliber over my decrepit, little car.
Quote from: the Teuton on December 13, 2008, 07:39:57 PM
Better gas mileage might make me almost consider a Caliber over my decrepit, little car.
You should, without a doubt, take a Caliber over your car. It's better in every way.
Quote from: The Pirate on December 13, 2008, 06:51:54 PM
Like others have said, I'd turn down a Caliber over my current car. If I drove a POS, then I'd take the Caliber.
I'm not saying the Caliber woud be your ONLY car. There is no way I'd refuse any car, no matter how bad the said vehicle is. :huh:
Quote from: Raza on December 13, 2008, 07:43:01 PM
You should, without a doubt, take a Caliber over your car. It's better in every way.
No, not really, but I'll take your word for it.
Quote from: the Teuton on December 13, 2008, 07:48:32 PM
No, not really, but I'll take your word for it.
It's better in every way.
Quote from: Raza on December 13, 2008, 08:00:33 PM
It's better in every way.
And a Civic Si is a better car than yours in every way sans leather and sound deadening. Who cares?
Quote from: the Teuton on December 13, 2008, 08:10:15 PM
And a Civic Si is a better car than yours in every way sans leather and sound deadening. Who cares?
It ain't. Just ain't.
Quote from: Laconian on December 13, 2008, 02:10:37 PM
What the hell have they been teaching you at that school? :lol:
Nothing about car design. :lol:
No seriously, it is one of the better-looking crossovers/SUVwannabes that has come out of the house of Chrysler/Dodge.
I don't think the Calibre is that bad looking, although I haven't been inside of one. I'm sure people are exaggerating when they say they'd rather have a 10 year old Mazda 323 or 15 year old Impreza Station Wagon over one. I know I'd rather have a Caliber than my Ibiza, even though I love my car...
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on December 14, 2008, 07:47:44 AM
I don't think the Calibre is that bad looking, although I haven't been inside of one. I'm sure people are exaggerating when they say they'd rather have a 10 year old Mazda 323 or 15 year old Impreza Station Wagon over one. I know I'd rather have a Caliber than my Ibiza, even though I love my car...
No we're not exaggerating. I would rather have the 1978 Chrysler Cordoba I had when I was 16, then have a Caliber. I had to live with a Caliber for a couple days and it's the worst car I've ever driven.
On another note, the GM dealer in my hometown is having a 2 for 1 sale as well, but in this case if you buy a pickup truck, you get a second pickup truck free.
In a town just 2 hours away, the Nissan dealer had a "Buy a Titan, get a Versa Free" sale last week.
Quote from: HEMI666 on December 14, 2008, 08:33:35 AM
No we're not exaggerating. I would rather have the 1978 Chrysler Cordoba I had when I was 16, then have a Caliber. I had to live with a Caliber for a couple days and it's the worst car I've ever driven.
That's because Cordobas are fantastic, of course:
(http://www.moparautos.com/images/78cordoba.jpg)
Could I sell the Caliber and get a newer Impreza?
I'll venture to say that the Caliber isn't bad looking, but I'll also venture to say that putting the Caliber body on the chassis and running gear of a 1995 Kia Sephia would be a substantial improvement.
Quote from: the Teuton on December 14, 2008, 10:29:48 AM
Could I sell the Caliber and get a newer Impreza?
You can sell the Caliber for 50% more than what you paid for it.
Quote from: Raza on December 14, 2008, 01:31:33 PM
You can sell the Caliber for 50% more than what you paid for it.
If I can sell it for a used WRX, I'm in!
Could be worse, they could throw in a free Civic. :popcorn:
Quote from: the Teuton on December 14, 2008, 01:43:47 PM
If I can sell it for a used WRX, I'm in!
Too many blows to the dome, I guess.
You got the car for free ($0). $0*1.50=$0.
Good luck finding that deal on a WRX.
Quote from: Raza on December 14, 2008, 01:50:11 PM
Too many blows to the dome, I guess.
You got the car for free ($0). $0*1.50=$0.
Good luck finding that deal on a WRX.
I could sell it for more than I paid for it.
Technically, it's not free if I still have to pay money to get the car.
Quote from: the Teuton on December 14, 2008, 04:35:32 PM
Technically, it's not free if I still have to pay money to get the car.
tanstaafl, bitches!
Quote from: the Teuton on December 14, 2008, 06:12:20 PM
werd.
Even after tax, title, and registration, you won't have enough to buy even your own current car.
Quote from: Raza on December 14, 2008, 06:13:18 PM
Even after tax, title, and registration, you won't have enough to buy even your own current car.
Bolshevik.
And even if that is the case, my car is probably better than a Caliper anyway.
Quote from: the Teuton on December 14, 2008, 06:16:31 PM
Bolshevik.
And even if that is the case, my car is probably better than a Caliper anyway.
I really doubt it. 15 years is a long time and a lot of progress, even for a Chrysler.
Quote from: Raza on December 14, 2008, 06:20:05 PM
I really doubt it. 15 years is a long time and a lot of progress, even for a Chrysler.
Maybe. Probably. But which one is more fun to drive?
Quote from: the Teuton on December 14, 2008, 06:22:08 PM
Maybe. Probably. But which one is more fun to drive?
Caliber 1.8L 5-speed SE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>1.8L Impreza Automatic.
Quote from: 2o6 on December 14, 2008, 06:27:36 PM
Caliber 1.8L 5-speed SE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>1.8L Impreza Automatic.
For the money? Hell no.
Quote from: NACar on December 14, 2008, 06:28:18 PM
For the money? Hell no.
Free? I really don't think I'd turn down free anything.
Quote from: 2o6 on December 14, 2008, 06:30:12 PM
Free? I really don't think I'd turn down free anything.
(http://media.urbandictionary.com/image/large/buttsecks-43951.jpg)
Quote from: 2o6 on December 14, 2008, 06:27:36 PM
Caliber 1.8L 5-speed SE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>1.8L Impreza Automatic.
Overall, without a doubt.
Going by simply fun-to-drive? I don't know. None of the cooking grade Subies I've driven have ever struck me as tossable, or quick to respond. The older ones do sort of have a rogh and ready charm to their behavior though.
The only Calibre I've driven was a rental, I drove it for all of about ten miles, and I never was able to flog it (business trip, with coworkers in the car.), but there was no indication of any real fun to driveness whatsoever.
I'd say the jury's out on the subject.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on December 14, 2008, 06:31:53 PM
Overall, without a doubt.
Going by simply fun-to-drive? I don't know. None of the cooking grade Subies I've driven have ever struck me as tossable, or quick to respond. The older ones do sort of have a rogh and ready charm to their behavior though.
The only Calibre I've driven was a rental, I drove it for all of about ten miles, and I never was able to flog it (business trip, with coworkers in the car.), but there was no indication of any real fun to driveness whatsoever.
I'd say the jury's out on the subject.
Does it match the Neon?
This is where I mention that there has to be something very wrong with a new car if it's still a tossup between it and a 15-year-old beater.
Quote from: the Teuton on December 14, 2008, 06:22:08 PM
Maybe. Probably. But which one is more fun to drive?
Well, you have 110bhp and are saddled with AWD (which generally doesn't make for a fun car by default and is wholly unnecessary unless you're talking about having more than twice the power you have) and the Caliber has 148bhp base (with 172 and 285 optional), FWD, and weighs 2900-3100 pounds.
But for the price, I'll take a similarly priced Rabbit over the Caliber. The 172bhp R/T is 20 grand. That's expensive.
For some reason, I always pictured this car in the more 11-14K range. Hmm...
Quote from: 2o6 on December 14, 2008, 06:34:20 PM
Does it match the Neon?
The comparison would be unfair with the experience I've had. I wanted to buy a neon ACR for a while, and test drove a few, as well as a nicely modded R/T.
I don't think it would be fair to compare an ACR neon to a shagged out rental base Caliber.
Quote from: the Teuton on December 14, 2008, 06:35:26 PM
This is where I mention that there has to be something very wrong with a new car if it's still a tossup between it and a 15-year-old beater.
I just think you're a snooty, picky, trendoid. :tounge:
Quote from: Raza link=topic=16775.msg946474#msg946474 date=1229304945
Well, you have 110bhp and are saddled with AWD (which generally doesn't make for a fun car by default and is wholly unnecessary unless you're talking about having more than twice the power you have) and the Caliber has 148bhp base (with 172 and 285 optional), FWD, and weighs 2900-3100 pounds.
But for the price, I'll take a similarly priced Rabbit over the Caliber. The 172bhp R/T is 20 grand. That's expensive.
For some reason, I always pictured this car in the more 11-14K range. Hmm...
The base models are the stronger sellers.
Quote from: 2o6 on December 14, 2008, 06:36:55 PM
The base models are the stronger sellers.
Your point? The Rabbit's base MSRP is still $1000 below the Calibers, and having had a considerable amount of seat time in a base Rabbit (I've probably driven it more than any car other than my own and my mom's Grand Cherokee, the only option on the Rabbit is AT), I can say it's a hell of a lot of car for under 16 grand (if you get a MT).
Damn, the Caliber is nearly $18,000 before you add any options other than the CVT. No wonder this car isn't selling. There are tons of better cars out there for the money, even if you stick to only new cars. Granted, they're clearly not selling at MSRP, but you get the point.
Quote from: BimmerM3 on December 15, 2008, 09:38:02 AM
Damn, the Caliber is nearly $18,000 before you add any options other than the CVT. No wonder this car isn't selling. There are tons of better cars out there for the money, even if you stick to only new cars. Granted, they're clearly not selling at MSRP, but you get the point.
what
Trim MSRP ($) Invoice ($)
SE 13,850 13,014
R/T AWD 20,045 18,651
Sport 16,395 15,336
R/T 17,945 16,740
SXT 15,700 14,697
Quote from: Laconian on December 15, 2008, 10:18:51 AM
what
Trim MSRP ($) Invoice ($)
SE 13,850 13,014
R/T AWD 20,045 18,651
Sport 16,395 15,336
R/T 17,945 16,740
SXT 15,700 14,697
The SE doesn't even come with A/C. I think that's a $2000 option or something stupid.
Maybe it includes the ChillZone(TM)?
Quote from: Laconian on December 15, 2008, 10:27:58 AM
Maybe it includes the ChillZone(TM)?
Ya, the extra A/C ducting to the glove box adds $1000
Quote from: Laconian on December 15, 2008, 10:18:51 AM
what
Trim MSRP ($) Invoice ($)
SE 13,850 13,014
R/T AWD 20,045 18,651
Sport 16,395 15,336
R/T 17,945 16,740
SXT 15,700 14,697
(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w35/333BimmerM3/untitled.jpg)
+ the CVT is a $1000 option.
:huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh:
What the hell? Did they raise the prices to make the discounts seem more significant?
CALIBER: NOW, SAVE 50%! (MSRP: $25,000)
$17k is a lot for that car. There are several hundred new and used cars I'd take before that for the money.
A free Caliber? Hmmm. My first inclination is to say "No, thanks" but, hold on a minute, were talking free here!
Granted, the Caliber certainly isn't my first choice. Or my second. Or my twenty-eighth. But is it so bad that I would refuse a free one? Well, no actually. Yes, I know it looks like a dog's dinner, the interior is made from Tupperware and it feels like it was built by prisoners on work release. But it does have a few redeeming features.
Let's start with that hatchback. You can't get one of those on a Chevy Cobalt or the current US-Focus. I can't understand why ALL smaller cars aren't offered with a hatch. Open it up, flip the seats down and the Caliber is a fairly decent load lugger. There's also plenty room for passengers in the cabin. I haven't heard any horror stories of the Caliber's reliability. The engines may be somewhat unrefined but at least the mechanical bits seem to be pretty durable. Pity the 138 horsepower CRD turbodiesel (sourced from Volkswagen) which Dodge offer on European Calibers isn't available here. The Caliber is the sort of car you can drive and not care about what happens to it. Save your "Pride and Joy" for sunny days and weekends and let the Caliber suffer the abuse of the daily slog. Use it as the appliance it is and I think the Caliber would make a serviceable family hack.
Would I ever spend my own money on a Caliber? No. My first pick in this segment is the Saturn Astra, a vastly superior car in every respect. But would I take a free Caliber? Sure, why not? May as well make it cheap and cheerful, so give me an SXT with the base 1.8 litre engine and five speed manual. Oh, and throw in the optional six-disc in-dash CD changer, too. Colour isn't really important to me since I'll be trying as hard as possible not to look at the thing.
Where do I sign up?
Cheers,
Madman of the People
Yeah, as a 5 door it's pretty handy. It reminds me of my old '81 Chevy Citation V6 5 door. Looked a lot like this:
(http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/chevrolet-citation-3.jpg)
2 tone dark metallic gold upper and metallic brown lower, with dents and dings (and some brown primer spots). Cloth bench seats. Got it for a dollar at 180k miles, and gave it away when it reached 323k miles. Ugly, smelled bad inside, but cheap to own and damn useful. Ugly meant i didnt' care what happened to it, didn't care where I parked it, didnt' care about winter, or tossing greasy engine parts in the back (and useful enough to be able to load complete engines in the hatch area). At the time I owned this, I also owned the V8 RX7 and '74 911S, and I'd dare say it allowed me to own those cars, as they didn't have to be practical and it didnt' have to be pretty.
A free Caliber would be vastly better than a 300k mile Chevy Citation... I'll see if I can find a pic of my actual Citation at home tonight and post it...
Quote from: ChrisV on December 16, 2008, 01:41:04 PM
Yeah, as a 5 door it's pretty handy. It reminds me of my old '81 Chevy Citation V6 5 door. Looked a lot like this:
(http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/chevrolet-citation-3.jpg)
2 tone dark metallic gold upper and metallic brown lower, with dents and dings (and some brown primer spots). Cloth bench seats. Got it for a dollar at 180k miles, and gave it away when it reached 323k miles. Ugly, smelled bad inside, but cheap to own and damn useful. Ugly meant i didnt' care what happened to it, didn't care where I parked it, didnt' care about winter, or tossing greasy engine parts in the back (and useful enough to be able to load complete engines in the hatch area). At the time I owned this, I also owned the V8 RX7 and '74 911S, and I'd dare say it allowed me to own those cars, as they didn't have to be practical and it didnt' have to be pretty.
A free Caliber would be vastly better than a 300k mile Chevy Citation... I'll see if I can find a pic of my actual Citation at home tonight and post it...
I have a friend who runs a 1985 Chevrolet Citation II with the 2.5 litre four pot. It's looks just like the one in the pic you posted except it's a sort of dirty gold colour and no two-tone. These damn things used to be everywhere but this one is the only running example I have seen in years. It has all the refinement of a vintage tractor but the damn thing refuses to die! X-cars had a terrible reputation but this one is still chugging along!
Cheers,
Madman of the People
Yeah, I couldn't kill mine. Rarely changed oil, or gave it a tune up, and was still going strong at 323k miles. The only pic I found was this one, where it (and my V8 RX7) are in the background when I was taking a snapshot of a bike I had just finished painting for a customer. As you can see , the Citation was ugly brown/gold with primer and dents. If I could drive that for a couple hundred thousand miles, a Free Caliber wouldn't be a bad deal at all. ;)
(http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/459104a.jpg)
I actually think that looks are the strong suit of the Chevrolet Citation. :huh:
Quote from: Laconian on December 16, 2008, 04:43:37 PM
I actually think that looks are the strong suit of the Chevrolet Citation. :huh:
maybe when they are in good condition, which other than dead nuts reliable, mine wasn't... ;)
I happen to LOVE the later X11 versions, however, with the H0660 V6 and factory SCCA race suspension mods...
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k277/87aero/x11.jpg