Does GM build anything you want?

Started by SVT666, November 03, 2008, 12:01:33 PM

hotrodalex

Quote from: afty on November 03, 2008, 01:41:56 PM
OK, everyone else has said the same thing I'm going to.  But I'll say it anyway.

Corvette and Cobalt SS.  I like the G8, but I wouldn't buy one because (a) it lacks a manual, and (b) I'm not sure how smart it would be to buy a V8 family sedan now that we've seen $4/gal gas.  I also like the CTS, but I would have a hard time choosing it over the G37 or a 3-Series.

A G8 GXP comes with a manual.

hotrodalex

Quote from: thecarnut on November 03, 2008, 01:59:52 PM
I'd buy a Z06 over a Carrera and GT-R. I'd buy a GT3 and GT2 over a ZR-1 but those don't really have the same price so it's a moot point.

Yeah, I didn't include the upper-level 911's when I said I would buy the Vette over any other sports car. They're a lot more expensive.

Quote from: thecarnut on November 03, 2008, 01:59:52 PM
I'd also probably get the CTS-V over the M5, E63, etc. Over the E90 M3, though, no, so it depends on what you consider to be its competition.

I agree. CTS-V over any sports sedan except an M3, which is only a competitor in price.

FlatBlackCaddy

Is the G8 GXP even for sale?

Even if it is good luck finding one, you have a better chance of finding a virgin at the bunny ranch.

FlatBlackCaddy

The problem for me with the CTSV and cadillac performance in general is that it's just too new to me. I'm not talking old boats with big blocks. Cadillacs attempts at modern european performance is a relatively new concept. I just don't see them surpassing the germans at something they have been doing for DECADES. While back to back seat time is unlikely, i'd be shocked if the CTSV would be able to surpass the M5 and M3 in DYNAMIC attributes. I drove a CTS(automatic, which is irrelavent) and it has a hard time matching the last generation 5 series IMO when it comes to chassis composure and driving feel. It always seems they benchmark the previous models, and fall short. I think the CTS is no different. Add to that the fact the CTS has an identity crisis. It wants to play with the 5 series but lacks a V8 and has the interior dimensions of a 3 series with the heft of a 5. It certainly blows the old CTS out of the water, but GM bettering itself isn't much of an accomplishment. It only further enforces the reality that at GM giving it their all is just wasted words since all they seem to do is surpass themselves while still being behind the competition.

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That I would buy over the competition?  Yes.
That I would buy?  No.  At least I can't think of anything.
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hotrodalex

Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on November 03, 2008, 05:54:44 PM
Is the G8 GXP even for sale?

Even if it is good luck finding one, you have a better chance of finding a virgin at the bunny ranch.

Not sure if it's in dealers yet. But if it's not, it will be soon.

cawimmer430

I want to have this:



My way of telling the treehuggers to go f... themselves.  :thumbsup:

I like the GM cars from the 1970sand 1980s the best from a styling perspective.
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hotrodalex

Quote from: cawimmer430 on November 04, 2008, 10:02:51 AM
I want to have this:



My way of telling the treehuggers to go f... themselves.  :thumbsup:

I like the GM cars from the 1970sand 1980s the best from a styling perspective.

With the exception of early 70's cars, most GM cars looked like ass then...

Madman

Yes, I'd buy a Saturn Astra five door.  Volkswagen dropped the ball with the Golf Mk V/Rabbit by only offering the craptacular 2.5 litre five cylinder.  North America will supposedly get a diesel powered version of the Golf Mk VI so, until then, I'd go with the Astra.  Oh, and an Opel grill and badges, too.

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2o6

Quote from: Madman on November 04, 2008, 06:19:38 PM
Yes, I'd buy a Saturn Astra five door.  Volkswagen dropped the ball with the Golf Mk V/Rabbit by only offering the craptacular 2.5 litre five cylinder.  North America will supposedly get a diesel powered version of the Golf Mk VI so, until then, I'd go with the Astra.  Oh, and an Opel grill and badges, too.

Cheers,
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Opel? Bah. Vauxhall FTW!  :rockon:

If we were to go to GM of Europe, however, I'd consider a lot.

For instance, this little number.


Madman

Quote from: 2o6 on November 04, 2008, 07:57:37 PM
Opel? Bah. Vauxhall FTW!  :rockon:

If we were to go to GM of Europe, however, I'd consider a lot.

For instance, this little number.




Outside of a BTCC race circuit, a Vauxhall badge looks a bit out of place on a left hand drive Astra.

That Corsa VXR you posted is HOT!  Compare this to the shitbox Chevy Aveo which GM thinks is good enough for America and you begin to understand why GM is on the brink of insolvency.

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cawimmer430

Quote from: hotrodalex on November 04, 2008, 10:39:34 AM
With the exception of early 70's cars, most GM cars looked like ass then...

I dunno. I like some of those designs, especially the big to midsize landyacht sedans.  :praise:
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Beau Tie

The question for me would be, do imports build anything I would want? Other than a Porsche, Ferrari, Lotus or BMW, nope). I would still take a ZR1 over most of the Porsche/Ferrari/Lotus models (though I am partial to the old 80's Lotus Espirit Turbo.

Malibu > Accord, Camry, Mazda 6
Cobalt > Civic, Corolla, Mazda 3
SRX & Enclave > Acura MDX, Lexus
Suburban > Toyota Sequoia, Nissan Armada II, Expedition
Tahoe/Yukon > Toyota 4 Runner, Explorer
Solstice/Sky > Mazda Miata
G8 > Charger
Silverado/GMC > Ram, F150, Titan, Tundra
CTS > BMW 3/5 Series
Cadillac V Series > BMW M Series

Saturn < Useless
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Onslaught

Quote from: the Teuton on November 03, 2008, 04:49:34 PM
I agree.  All domestic cars are garbage.


And just because I can't think of a Domestic car I'd buy doesn't mean I'm saying they are all junk. I can only think of about 4-5 cars I'd buy right now. They just aren't made here.

SVT666

I agree Onslaught.  Domestic cars aren't junk, there are just more appealing cars from other manufacturers.

FlatBlackCaddy

Quote from: Beau Tie on November 05, 2008, 07:06:12 AM
The question for me would be, do imports build anything I would want? Other than a Porsche, Ferrari, Lotus or BMW, nope). I would still take a ZR1 over most of the Porsche/Ferrari/Lotus models (though I am partial to the old 80's Lotus Espirit Turbo.

Malibu > Accord, Camry, Mazda 6
Cobalt > Civic, Corolla, Mazda 3
SRX & Enclave > Acura MDX, Lexus
Suburban > Toyota Sequoia, Nissan Armada II, Expedition
Tahoe/Yukon > Toyota 4 Runner, Explorer
Solstice/Sky > Mazda Miata
G8 > Charger
Silverado/GMC > Ram, F150, Titan, Tundra
CTS > BMW 3/5 Series
Cadillac V Series > BMW M Series

Saturn < Useless

Sadly, your the minority.

SVT666

Quote from: Beau Tie on November 05, 2008, 07:06:12 AM
Malibu > Accord, Camry, Mazda 6
Cobalt > Civic, Corolla, Mazda 3
SRX & Enclave > Acura MDX, Lexus
Suburban > Toyota Sequoia, Nissan Armada II, Expedition
Tahoe/Yukon > Toyota 4 Runner, Explorer
Solstice/Sky > Mazda Miata
G8 > Charger
Silverado/GMC > Ram, F150, Titan, Tundra
CTS > BMW 3/5 Series
Cadillac V Series > BMW M Series

Saturn < Useless
In your categories I would pick in order:
Mazda 6
Mazda 3 (unless it's the Cobalt SS Turbo)
Acura MDX or Enclave
Expedition
Sky
G8, though I would rather buy a car from a different class since the G8 doesn't offer the fuel economy that I could get elsewhere.
Ram
BMW 330i
BMW M Series

MX793

Quote from: Beau Tie on November 05, 2008, 07:06:12 AM
The question for me would be, do imports build anything I would want? Other than a Porsche, Ferrari, Lotus or BMW, nope). I would still take a ZR1 over most of the Porsche/Ferrari/Lotus models (though I am partial to the old 80's Lotus Espirit Turbo.

Malibu > Accord, Camry, Mazda 6
Cobalt > Civic, Corolla, Mazda 3
SRX & Enclave > Acura MDX, Lexus
Suburban > Toyota Sequoia, Nissan Armada II, Expedition
Tahoe/Yukon > Toyota 4 Runner, Explorer
Solstice/Sky > Mazda Miata
G8 > Charger
Silverado/GMC > Ram, F150, Titan, Tundra
CTS > BMW 3/5 Series
Cadillac V Series > BMW M Series

Saturn < Useless

You do know that the G8 is an import, right?
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Beau Tie

Quote from: MX793 on November 05, 2008, 07:49:05 PM
You do know that the G8 is an import, right?

Do I know that the G8 is imported from Holden in Australia, a General Motors company? No...do tell  :banghead:
Beau Tie

Beau Tie

Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on November 05, 2008, 04:33:26 PM
Sadly, your the minority.

Why is it sad that I am in the minority in this thread?  :confused:
Beau Tie

FlatBlackCaddy

Quote from: Beau Tie on November 06, 2008, 05:20:02 AM
Why is it sad that I am in the minority in this thread?  :confused:

Not in this thread specifically. You are the minority in the sense that you see the domestics(in your case GM) as offering a overall superior lineup than any other company or model from a non domestic(GM) automaker. The sad part meant that for GM(and F,CH) you are the minority. Overall the vast majority of the car buying public passes on the sub standard domestic models and looks to the competition.


Beau Tie

Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on November 06, 2008, 08:16:52 AM
Not in this thread specifically. You are the minority in the sense that you see the domestics(in your case GM) as offering a overall superior lineup than any other company or model from a non domestic(GM) automaker. The sad part meant that for GM(and F,CH) you are the minority. Overall the vast majority of the car buying public passes on the sub standard domestic models and looks to the competition.



Well, your opinion is noted kind sir.  :ohyeah:

BTW, the majority of public actually buys more domestics than imports
Beau Tie

SVT666

Quote from: Beau Tie on November 06, 2008, 09:53:37 AM
Well, your opinion is noted kind sir.  :ohyeah:

BTW, the majority of public actually buys more domestics than imports
No they don't.  The domestics make up less then 50% of the car sales in the US.  Last I saw it was around 44% I believe.

ifcar

Also, a lot of that "public" is fleets.

Beau Tie

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Quote from: HEMI666 on November 06, 2008, 09:56:15 AM
No they don't. 

They do, unless you are using a blanket statement of all combined manufacturers in the U.S. As in Hyundai+Toyota+Nissan+Honda+Ferrari+Porsche+Kia+etc.

BTW ifcar, GM has been pulling out of the fleet market slowly.
Beau Tie

TBR

Which is an absolutely retarded, GM needs all the volume they can get right now.

FlatBlackCaddy

Quote from: Beau Tie on November 06, 2008, 10:49:57 AM
They do, unless you are using a blanket statement of all combined manufacturers in the U.S. As in Hyundai+Toyota+Nissan+Honda+Ferrari+Porsche+Kia+etc.

BTW ifcar, GM has been pulling out of the fleet market slowly.

huh

MrH

Quote from: Beau Tie on November 06, 2008, 10:49:57 AM
They do, unless you are using a blanket statement of all combined manufacturers in the U.S. As in Hyundai+Toyota+Nissan+Honda+Ferrari+Porsche+Kia+etc.

BTW ifcar, GM has been pulling out of the fleet market slowly.

What other statement would he make?  Of course he includes every import company....

So no, they don't.
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