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Title: The GS
Post by: thewizard16 on February 04, 2019, 09:26:03 AM
So it was a busy weekend between the Passat kerploding and some other issues going on, but not one to sit around and put a dangerous amount of thought into things, I immediately went out car shopping after I confirmed the Passat was DNR. It helped that I had been casually browsing off and on and had decided I wanted to go with a reliable but reasonably sporty sedan for my next purchase. A friend had just bought an Infiniti Q50 this week and I drove his, then drove a TLX, then headed to the Lexus dealership to check out a CPO GS 350 F-Sport they had in inventory. About 30 minutes later I bought it.

Here she is (apologies for the shit pictures, the weather here has been... well, shitty, lately):

(https://i.imgur.com/X2u04lE.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/01sE62I.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ewg6KtT.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/b4ZYtDg.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/jTHJG0m.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Pej4ZmO.jpg)


Details:
-2015 Lexus GS 350
-306 horsepower
-All Wheel Drive
-F-Sport Package (aluminum trim, more garish/aggressive grille, lip spoiler, sport pedals, 16 way adjustable driver seat (I don't know how to use yet) with adjustable bolsters, Adaptive Variable Suspension with stiffer springs, upgraded stabilizer bars, larger front brakes, 19" wheels, etc.)
-Navigation, heated and ventilated seats, heated steering wheel, "Climate concierge" (whatever the hell that is), power trunk, etc.

Overall I liked it far better than the other non-German competitors I was considering and I got a reasonably good deal on it with the CPO warranty and tire/wheel coverage included. Hopefully it's good to me, but I'm already having quite a bit of fun with it. I need to get the windows tinted but other than that I think it's a good fit.
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: SJ_GTI on February 04, 2019, 09:27:35 AM
Very nice, I dig that interior.  :ohyeah:
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: cawimmer430 on February 04, 2019, 09:29:43 AM
Congrats!  :cheers:
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: FoMoJo on February 04, 2019, 09:31:48 AM
Looks good.  What engine, transmission?
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: thewizard16 on February 04, 2019, 09:43:08 AM
Quote from: SJ_GTI on February 04, 2019, 09:27:35 AM
Very nice, I dig that interior.  :ohyeah:
Thank you!

Quote from: cawimmer430 on February 04, 2019, 09:29:43 AM
Congrats!  :cheers:
Thank you kind sir.

Quote from: FoMoJo on February 04, 2019, 09:31:48 AM
Looks good.  What engine, transmission?
Thanks! 306hp V-6 (naturally aspirated), 6 speed automatic with manual mode/paddle shifters. The RWD version has an 8 speed auto but the AWD is a 6 speed. Even only being a 6, it seems pretty smooth even in sport mode on the shifts  :huh:.
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: CaminoRacer on February 04, 2019, 10:13:29 AM
Very nice. Recent Lexus's are cool, as long as you avoid the ones that look too much like Predator.
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: Submariner on February 04, 2019, 10:16:00 AM
Pics aren't working.
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: FoMoJo on February 04, 2019, 10:17:28 AM
Quote from: Submariner on February 04, 2019, 10:16:00 AM
Pics aren't working.
Work for me.
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: BimmerM3 on February 04, 2019, 10:26:22 AM
They're on Google photos, which doesn't always play well with direct linking. Usually best to re-upload to Imgur or something.
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: Xer0 on February 04, 2019, 10:28:48 AM
Very nice!  Wheel and tire coverage in Chicago is a must  :lol:
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: 12,000 RPM on February 04, 2019, 10:34:00 AM
Not a bad purchase at all... congrats!

These are solid buys and have always been on my radar, but I've concluded the premium for premium fuel isn't worth it on my commute... and that infotainment interface.... does it get better with more use? I'd love to eventually replace wifey's car with an RX but that touch pad seems like a deal breaker.
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: thewizard16 on February 04, 2019, 11:01:15 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on February 04, 2019, 10:13:29 AM
Very nice. Recent Lexus's are cool, as long as you avoid the ones that look too much like Predator.
I thought this was agreeably predator faced without being too "I eat children for breakfast" like the newest ones can be.

Quote from: Submariner on February 04, 2019, 10:16:00 AM
Pics aren't working.
I reloaded them.

Quote from: BimmerM3 on February 04, 2019, 10:26:22 AM
They're on Google photos, which doesn't always play well with direct linking. Usually best to re-upload to Imgur or something.
...fine.  ;)

Quote from: Xer0 on February 04, 2019, 10:28:48 AM
Very nice!  Wheel and tire coverage in Chicago is a must  :lol:
That was my thinking. They're big wheels and our streets are total dogshit, especially now that they've had some deep freezes and thaws.

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 04, 2019, 10:34:00 AM
Not a bad purchase at all... congrats!

These are solid buys and have always been on my radar, but I've concluded the premium for premium fuel isn't worth it on my commute... and that infotainment interface.... does it get better with more use? I'd love to eventually replace wifey's car with an RX but that touch pad seems like a deal breaker.
The Passat took premium, which is like $4.79 a gallon downtown, and this actually gets slightly better city mileage so it didn't really bother me. The infotainment does take a little adjustment but I actually like it now. The problem with it is it isn't really a normal mouse, it's more like a virtual button selector (it guides itself) and if you try to use it like you would a normal touchpad/mouse you end up over compensating/selecting the wrong things/etc. After a few hours with it I'm not having any issues anymore. It's a little unusual but it's pretty intuitive once you stop trying to fight the way it auto selects buttons with minimal movement.
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: 12,000 RPM on February 04, 2019, 11:44:52 AM
OK that's helpful. We'd have to do an overnight test drive or something to push that button.

One good thing is Grom makes a cell phone interface so I think you can get Android Auto and Apple Carplay through the stock screen/touchpad. Simple install. Toyota supposedly isn't jumping on board with Android Auto because they don't like Google's use of data.
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: MrH on February 04, 2019, 11:54:11 AM
The predator face F-Sports get the cool gauges though!
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: thewizard16 on February 04, 2019, 12:03:10 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 04, 2019, 11:44:52 AM
OK that's helpful. We'd have to do an overnight test drive or something to push that button.

One good thing is Grom makes a cell phone interface so I think you can get Android Auto and Apple Carplay through the stock screen/touchpad. Simple install. Toyota supposedly isn't jumping on board with Android Auto because they don't like Google's use of data.
That's what I've heard too. It syncs smoothly over bluetooth for phone and music features and it has pretty good stock navigation but I'd prefer Android Auto. I'll have to look into this.

Quote from: MrH on February 04, 2019, 11:54:11 AM
The predator face F-Sports get the cool gauges though!
This one is the F-Sport (though not the absolutely insane GS-F, they had one at the dealership that you can catch a glimpse of in the first pic) and it definitely looks more aggressive than the base/normal GS inside and out.
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: MrH on February 04, 2019, 12:05:28 PM
Yeah, if you got a post facelift F-Sport, you get the silly predator grill, but you get the moving tach LCD screen gauges.
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: thewizard16 on February 04, 2019, 12:08:24 PM
Quote from: MrH on February 04, 2019, 12:05:28 PM
Yeah, if you got a post facelift F-Sport, you get the silly predator grill, but you get the moving tach LCD screen gauges.
Ooooh I gotcha. Well damn that's almost worth it. My residency director had one of those and I never thought it looked very good in the silver he picked but I'd forgotten about the gauges. Oh well, I'll just be a plebeian with fixed gauges for now.
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: 12,000 RPM on February 04, 2019, 12:16:01 PM
Here's a link to the Grom module

https://gromaudio.com/store/vline/lexus_2013-2015_grom_vline_infotainment_system_gen_7.html

They have it running on Oreo so I'd wager it's pretty secure. Better than the Tesla style radio for my car which is on Android 4.4.4 :facepalm:
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: veeman on February 04, 2019, 12:30:22 PM
Congratulations.  One of my relatives had a Lexus GS hybrid for a few years (his work paid for his lease and he could get almost any car he wanted). I think it was a GS450h.  I drove it a few times on back roads.  Loved it.  Very fast and very quiet and refined. A tippy SUV antidote. When he got his first kid he got rid of it and got the Lexus RX. 
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: thewizard16 on February 04, 2019, 01:18:24 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 04, 2019, 12:16:01 PM
Here's a link to the Grom module

https://gromaudio.com/store/vline/lexus_2013-2015_grom_vline_infotainment_system_gen_7.html

They have it running on Oreo so I'd wager it's pretty secure. Better than the Tesla style radio for my car which is on Android 4.4.4 :facepalm:
Not cheap but an interesting concept.

Quote from: veeman on February 04, 2019, 12:30:22 PM
Congratulations.  One of my relatives had a Lexus GS hybrid for a few years (his work paid for his lease and he could get almost any car he wanted). I think it was a GS450h.  I drove it a few times on back roads.  Loved it.  Very fast and very quiet and refined. A tippy SUV antidote. When he got his first kid he got rid of it and got the Lexus RX. 
Thanks! I have about a 0% chance of having kids any time soon so hopefully I can avoid buying any mommy wagons for the forseeable future.
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: Submariner on February 04, 2019, 01:18:28 PM
Oh there are the pictures.  Looks sharp inside and out.  Congratulations.
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: CALL_911 on February 04, 2019, 03:25:20 PM
Good to see you back, man! I love that GS- would buy one in a heartbeat. Prob my favorite interior in the segment.
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: 12,000 RPM on February 04, 2019, 03:58:33 PM
Damn, I am a sucker for camelish colored interiors. Pics were blocked at work, looks great
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: 68_427 on February 04, 2019, 05:24:18 PM
I think the Lexus seats are more than just ventilated as well.  They are actually "cooled" IIRC.  Will be great in the summer.
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: Submariner on February 04, 2019, 05:53:48 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 04, 2019, 03:58:33 PM
Damn, I am a sucker for camelish colored interiors. Pics were blocked at work, looks great

Me too.  I've always wanted to pick up a last gen 750i sport xDrive with the camel/black interior.  Looks delicious.
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on February 04, 2019, 06:01:03 PM
Sexy.....
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: CaminoRacer on February 04, 2019, 07:16:19 PM
When are the 24s going on?
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: 12,000 RPM on February 04, 2019, 08:10:26 PM
Quote from: Submariner on February 04, 2019, 05:53:48 PM
Me too.  I've always wanted to pick up a last gen 750i sport xDrive with the camel/black interior.  Looks delicious.
I'm still partial to the Bangle Butt
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: thewizard16 on February 04, 2019, 08:37:47 PM
Quote from: Submariner on February 04, 2019, 01:18:28 PM
Oh there are the pictures.  Looks sharp inside and out.  Congratulations.
Thank you!

Quote from: CALL_911 on February 04, 2019, 03:25:20 PM
Good to see you back, man! I love that GS- would buy one in a heartbeat. Prob my favorite interior in the segment.
Thanks! It's a clean design overall and I like that. A little Audi-esque in some ways (I love their interiors except for the tacked on looking screens).

Quote from: 68_427 on February 04, 2019, 05:24:18 PM
I think the Lexus seats are more than just ventilated as well.  They are actually "cooled" IIRC.  Will be great in the summer.
A friend who owned a Jetta, also with mediocre air conditioning, said "all those electronic gizmos and all you're going to notice is that you have real air conditioning" when I shared the pictures with him. I'm looking forward to those seats when it's hot out though.

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 04, 2019, 03:58:33 PM
Damn, I am a sucker for camelish colored interiors. Pics were blocked at work, looks great
Thanks!

Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on February 04, 2019, 06:01:03 PM
Sexy.....
Thank you!

Quote from: CaminoRacer on February 04, 2019, 07:16:19 PM
When are the 24s going on?
As soon as my rap album drops.
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: Submariner on February 04, 2019, 10:15:32 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 04, 2019, 08:10:26 PM
I'm still partial to the Bangle Butt

There are 745's with 60k or so miles going for $6-7k...I know they're reliability nightmares but that's tempting...
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: 12,000 RPM on February 05, 2019, 05:23:30 AM
Quote from: Submariner on February 04, 2019, 10:15:32 PM
There are 745's with 60k or so miles going for $6-7k...I know they're reliability nightmares but that's tempting...
Some cars are best enjoyed purely visually. I.e. you don't have to own it

My pick of that era would probably be a 640i coupe. Avoids the reliability nightmare of the V8, still has the Bangle Butt. Might be available in stick too
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: BimmerM3 on February 05, 2019, 08:50:11 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 05, 2019, 05:23:30 AM
Some cars are best enjoyed purely visually. I.e. you don't have to own it

My pick of that era would probably be a 640i coupe. Avoids the reliability nightmare of the V8, still has the Bangle Butt. Might be available in stick too

There was no Bangle-era 640Ci. The US only got the 645i, 650i (V8s), and M6 (V10). They made a 630Ci/630i but they didn't sell it here.

The next gen had an I6 640i though.
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: 12,000 RPM on February 05, 2019, 10:15:22 AM
Damn, could have swore we got the 640i back then. Oh well, not interested.
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: Submariner on February 06, 2019, 06:45:06 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 05, 2019, 05:23:30 AM
Some cars are best enjoyed purely visually. I.e. you don't have to own it

My pick of that era would probably be a 640i coupe. Avoids the reliability nightmare of the V8, still has the Bangle Butt. Might be available in stick too

I don't think the bangle 6 came with a 6 stateside.

That's another car I've always thought about picking up - a 6 speed 650 coupe.
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: 12,000 RPM on February 06, 2019, 07:03:36 AM
I wouldn't trust one of those as far as I could throw them. BMW V8s have been problematic pretty much from the beginning

Really too bad we didn't get the 6 pots. But for all the flack Bangle got at the time the cars have aged incredibly well. They all look better than current BMWs IMO
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: Submariner on February 06, 2019, 07:09:42 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 06, 2019, 07:03:36 AM
I wouldn't trust one of those as far as I could throw them. BMW V8s have been problematic pretty much from the beginning

Really too bad we didn't get the 6 pots. But for all the flack Bangle got at the time the cars have aged incredibly well. They all look better than current BMWs IMO

Really?  I was unaware.  That's too bad.  I've heard a fair number of horror stories regarding their turbo 6 but never the V8's, especially the N/A ones.
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: 12,000 RPM on February 06, 2019, 07:17:41 AM
Yea from what I've read the 6 pots are the best bet. Even the 4 banger has prompted a class action lawsuit for timing chain shit.
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: CALL_911 on February 06, 2019, 03:36:03 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 06, 2019, 07:03:36 AM
I wouldn't trust one of those as far as I could throw them. BMW V8s have been problematic pretty much from the beginning

Really too bad we didn't get the 6 pots. But for all the flack Bangle got at the time the cars have aged incredibly well. They all look better than current BMWs IMO

Imo all the "Bangle era" shit has aged really well. I still think the E60 and E90 are some of the best looking sedans on the road today. I think the E65 has even done quite well with the years (strictly aesthetically speaking).
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: Submariner on February 06, 2019, 03:55:59 PM
Quote from: CALL_911 on February 06, 2019, 03:36:03 PM
Imo all the "Bangle era" shit has aged really well. I still think the E60 and E90 are some of the best looking sedans on the road today. I think the E65 has even done quite well with the years (strictly aesthetically speaking).

Honesty ever since Sporty brought it up I'm really thinking about getting an E65...pre face lift, sub 70k miles for $7k?  Throw in another grand for a good paint correction and 15,000 for the inevitable repairs, and I'm set!

But no seriously. 
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on February 06, 2019, 05:28:20 PM
I can't believe the love the Bangle cars are getting! When they hit the market everyone hated them! LOL!
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: FoMoJo on February 06, 2019, 05:41:34 PM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on February 06, 2019, 05:28:20 PM
I can't believe the love the Bangle cars are getting! When they hit the market everyone hated them! LOL!
That back end still looks like crap.
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: BimmerM3 on February 06, 2019, 05:42:42 PM
Well, all three of the Bangle sedans replaced some of the best looking sedans ever made. I still don't think the E65 looks great (especially compared to the E38), but it's well proportioned and pretty clean.
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: BimmerM3 on February 06, 2019, 05:44:46 PM
Quote from: FoMoJo on February 06, 2019, 05:41:34 PM
That back end still looks like crap.

Especially the pre-facelift.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/BMW_E65_rear_20080121.jpg)

Post-facelift was better

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/BMW_E65_rear_20080205.jpg)
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on February 06, 2019, 05:57:32 PM
Quote from: BimmerM3 on February 06, 2019, 05:44:46 PM
Especially the pre-facelift.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/BMW_E65_rear_20080121.jpg)


Quote from: FoMoJo on February 06, 2019, 05:41:34 PM
That back end still looks like crap.
Horrid!
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: 12,000 RPM on February 06, 2019, 08:10:17 PM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on February 06, 2019, 05:28:20 PM
I can't believe the love the Bangle cars are getting! When they hit the market everyone hated them! LOL!
Sometimes they don't catch your vision until its too late...........

I still feel like the E65 looked Italian. Proportions were great too. How do you follow up on the E38? That was BMW's Ducati 916.
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: Laconian on February 06, 2019, 10:28:36 PM
The Bangled Z4 and 5 series have both aged amazingly well.
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: CALL_911 on February 07, 2019, 03:03:47 AM
I don't think the E60 is too far behind the E39 honestly. If I had all the cash in the world with no caution, I'd buy an E60 M5 tomorrow
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: WookieOnRitalin on February 07, 2019, 07:05:36 AM
Seems the Toyota tradition will continue for another long while.

Congrats dude! She's purdy!
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: Raza on February 07, 2019, 08:06:04 AM
I've always felt the GS is a little underrated. My mom used to have one, the first gen. I still have positive associations with that car and I like them to this day. Nice car!
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: Raza on February 07, 2019, 08:08:32 AM
Quote from: Laconian on February 06, 2019, 10:28:36 PM
The Bangled Z4 and 5 series have both aged amazingly well.

I certainly agree. Even though I only put like a thousand miles on my car a year now.
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: Xer0 on February 07, 2019, 09:38:32 AM
Quote from: CALL_911 on February 07, 2019, 03:03:47 AM
I don't think the E60 is too far behind the E39 honestly. If I had all the cash in the world with no caution, I'd buy an E60 M5 tomorrow

I hear the manual cars are decently reliable if you can find them.

Those SMG 1 cars though, yikes.
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: 12,000 RPM on February 07, 2019, 10:43:12 AM
Quote from: Raza  on February 07, 2019, 08:06:04 AM
I've always felt the GS is a little underrated. My mom used to have one, the first gen. I still have positive associations with that car and I like them to this day. Nice car!
Lexus disagrees. GS is supposedly on death row. Personally it's the only sedan Lexus sells that I like, so I'm bummed. IS is not much lighter, but it is uglier and more cramped. I could actually live with an ES if it weren't so big... next car needs to be smaller than the Kia. I stand by my hot take of the LS looking like a Buick Lacrosse. The GS looks great, drives great and has aged really nicely. Sad to see it go
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: Raza on February 08, 2019, 07:49:40 AM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 07, 2019, 10:43:12 AM
Lexus disagrees. GS is supposedly on death row. Personally it's the only sedan Lexus sells that I like, so I'm bummed. IS is not much lighter, but it is uglier and more cramped. I could actually live with an ES if it weren't so big... next car needs to be smaller than the Kia. I stand by my hot take of the LS looking like a Buick Lacrosse. The GS looks great, drives great and has aged really nicely. Sad to see it go

Well, we learned long ago that car companies don't really care what guys like you or me want.
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: thewizard16 on February 09, 2019, 10:41:15 AM
Quote from: WookieOnRitalin on February 07, 2019, 07:05:36 AM
Seems the Toyota tradition will continue for another long while.

Congrats dude! She's purdy!
Thanks! Yeah if it's good to me I may stick with them again for a bit. In all likelihood I'll be buying another vehicle within a year but the GS will probably still be the daily driver.

Quote from: Raza  on February 07, 2019, 08:06:04 AM
I've always felt the GS is a little underrated. My mom used to have one, the first gen. I still have positive associations with that car and I like them to this day. Nice car!
Thanks! This one in particular was very well reviewed because Lexus finally got around to making a car that compared favorably to BMW on driving dynamics. I've driven previous GS models and liked them too but I was surprised how much I liked this generation.

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 07, 2019, 10:43:12 AM
Lexus disagrees. GS is supposedly on death row. Personally it's the only sedan Lexus sells that I like, so I'm bummed. IS is not much lighter, but it is uglier and more cramped. I could actually live with an ES if it weren't so big... next car needs to be smaller than the Kia. I stand by my hot take of the LS looking like a Buick Lacrosse. The GS looks great, drives great and has aged really nicely. Sad to see it go
The LS is a giant expensive land yacht and makes sense to keep for people who buy those sorts of things, the ES is nice for that segment and is either better looking (or differently ugly) now, but the GS did seem to fill an important niche in their lineup that appealed to a different kind of buyer. I pretty much didn't like a single thing about the IS. RC 350 was cool but I wanted a sedan and it was a little too new to have good CPO options.

The "mid-size" (which is still pretty damn big) sports sedan market just doesn't get much love these days.
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: BimmerM3 on February 09, 2019, 11:04:36 AM
Quote from: thewizard16 on February 09, 2019, 10:41:15 AM
In all likelihood I'll be buying another vehicle within a year but the GS will probably still be the daily driver.

You need to make a thread so that we can completely ignore your requirements and tell you to buy ridiculous shit.
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: thewizard16 on February 09, 2019, 11:10:39 AM
Quote from: BimmerM3 on February 09, 2019, 11:04:36 AM
You need to make a thread so that we can completely ignore your requirements and tell you to buy ridiculous shit.
That does sound like a good idea... It just wouldn't feel like a real car search if I didn't ask advice for what kind of SUV or truck I should buy to tow a trailer and have 10 people tell me to buy a Miata.
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on February 09, 2019, 11:30:42 AM
Quote from: thewizard16 on February 09, 2019, 11:10:39 AM
That does sound like a good idea... It just wouldn't feel like a real car search if I didn't ask advice for what kind of SUV or truck I should buy to tow a trailer and have 10 people tell me to buy a Miata.

Don't get a Miata. Get that Fiat one.
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: thewizard16 on February 09, 2019, 11:35:20 AM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 09, 2019, 11:30:42 AM
Don't get a Miata. Get that Fiat one.
Right, right... because I'll have asked for a reliable towing rig. Of course!
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on February 09, 2019, 11:40:22 AM
Quote from: thewizard16 on February 09, 2019, 11:35:20 AM
Right, right... because I'll have asked for a reliable towing rig. Of course!

The turbo is better for towing because of low end torques.
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: 12,000 RPM on February 09, 2019, 12:47:49 PM
Quote from: Raza  on February 08, 2019, 07:49:40 AM
Well, we learned long ago that car companies don't really care what guys like you or me want.
For sure; I can't really blame them. Though next go round I might buy my first new car. High hybrid possibility :lol:
Title: Re: The GS
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on February 09, 2019, 02:08:54 PM
Quote from: thewizard16 on February 09, 2019, 11:35:20 AM
Right, right... because I'll have asked for a reliable towing rig. Of course!
:lol: