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Title: Ugly cars. Why?
Post by: SVT666 on February 12, 2009, 11:10:30 AM
I'm looking at a Venza as I type this on my BlackBerry. A question popped into my head as I'm looking at the hideous grille.

Why are designers going out of their way to uglify their cars? This grille is much worse in person then in any picture I've seen of it. Its top bad too because the rest of the car is actually pretty decent looking.

I started thinking about it and their are a lot of cars on the road that are simply ugly just to be different. Why do they do it?
Title: Re: Ugly cars. Why?
Post by: Laconian on February 12, 2009, 11:45:17 AM
My guess is it's because most people lack a sense of holistic taste when it comes to assessing a vehicle's aesthetics. They probably look to the well known stylistic elements but remain oblivious to the picture as a whole.

This is true for a lot of things in life. It's impossible to possess refined taste in everything.
Title: Re: Ugly cars. Why?
Post by: cawimmer430 on February 12, 2009, 11:47:38 AM
I don't think the average buyer thinks like us "enthusiasts" do. Design is subjective anyway and your average shopper probably is more interested in what the car offers (value, reliability etc.).
Title: Re: Ugly cars. Why?
Post by: Laconian on February 12, 2009, 11:49:39 AM
Quote from: cawimmer430 on February 12, 2009, 11:47:38 AM
I don't think the average buyer thinks like us "enthusiasts" do. Design is subjective anyway and your average shopper probably is more interested in what the car offers (value, reliability etc.).
Yup.

Making REALLY BOLD stylistic statements is likely an effective way to communicate to the oblivious buyer, "THIS CAR HAS STYLE!"
Title: Re: Ugly cars. Why?
Post by: cawimmer430 on February 12, 2009, 11:55:22 AM
By the way, the Venza ain't bad looking - for a Toyota.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Ugly cars. Why?
Post by: the Teuton on February 12, 2009, 11:56:24 AM
It's not ugly; it's "distinctive."
Title: Re: Ugly cars. Why?
Post by: Nethead on February 12, 2009, 01:40:24 PM
Quote from: the Teuton on February 12, 2009, 11:56:24 AM
It's not ugly; it's "distinctive."

the Teuton:  No, that's distinktive.
Title: Re: Ugly cars. Why?
Post by: NomisR on February 12, 2009, 01:48:45 PM
Quote from: cawimmer430 on February 12, 2009, 11:47:38 AM
I don't think the average buyer thinks like us "enthusiasts" do. Design is subjective anyway and your average shopper probably is more interested in what the car offers (value, reliability etc.).

Beauty is subjective but ugliness is universal!
Title: Re: Ugly cars. Why?
Post by: SVT666 on February 12, 2009, 01:55:35 PM
(http://www.houstoncars.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/2009-toyota-venza.png)

That grille is even more "in your face" in person.  It's uglier too if that's possible.  The rest of the car is actually pretty decent though.
Title: Re: Ugly cars. Why?
Post by: Tave on February 12, 2009, 02:10:52 PM
I can't stand those commercials that are trying to sell the *Venza* experience.




It's not a car. It's not a wagon. It's not an SUV. It's a lifestyle. It's a life. It is you.

It is            ...VENZA...
Title: Re: Ugly cars. Why?
Post by: NomisR on February 12, 2009, 02:12:16 PM
Quote from: Tave on February 12, 2009, 02:10:52 PM
I can't stand those commercials that are trying to sell the *Venza* experience.




It's not a car. It's not a wagon. It's not an SUV. It's a lifestyle. It's a life. It is you.

It is            ...VENZA...

It's an identity crisis!
Title: Re: Ugly cars. Why?
Post by: Secret Chimp on February 12, 2009, 02:25:59 PM
I forgot what a Venza was until I saw the picture. By the name, I thought it was some rinky-dink Korean thing.
Title: Re: Ugly cars. Why?
Post by: sparkplug on February 12, 2009, 05:12:22 PM
I reckon it is because some people don't want to drive a car better looking than them.
Title: Re: Ugly cars. Why?
Post by: AutobahnSHO on February 12, 2009, 05:34:16 PM
ewww.

The grill spoils an almost respectable vehicle.
Title: Re: Ugly cars. Why?
Post by: NomisR on February 12, 2009, 05:52:23 PM
Quote from: sparkplug on February 12, 2009, 05:12:22 PM
I reckon it is because some people don't want to drive a car better looking than them.

Well, either that or since they're on the inside of the car, they don't have to see it so they don't care.
Title: Re: Ugly cars. Why?
Post by: Onslaught on February 12, 2009, 09:20:48 PM
All I know is the stuff coming out for Mazda is starting to look ugly. The new front bumpers for the 3 and RX-8 look like ass. And I figure all the others will go that way sometime.
Title: Re: Ugly cars. Why?
Post by: sandertheshark on February 12, 2009, 10:11:23 PM
We've gone over this before.

It's a secret contest between Toyota and Honda to see who can trick us into buying the ugliest mainstream car ever made.
Title: Re: Ugly cars. Why?
Post by: NomisR on February 12, 2009, 10:52:50 PM
Quote from: Onslaught on February 12, 2009, 09:20:48 PM
All I know is the stuff coming out for Mazda is starting to look ugly. The new front bumpers for the 3 and RX-8 look like ass. And I figure all the others will go that way sometime.

The little black teeth thing in front?  I didn't like it at first but it kinda grows on you.. like mold.
Title: Re: Ugly cars. Why?
Post by: Onslaught on February 13, 2009, 04:11:16 AM
Quote from: NomisR on February 12, 2009, 10:52:50 PM
The little black teeth thing in front?  I didn't like it at first but it kinda grows on you.. like mold.
That big happy face black plastic shit on the new 3 is just butt ugly. Other than that I like the car but it just kills it for me.
Title: Re: Ugly cars. Why?
Post by: SVT666 on February 13, 2009, 08:53:51 AM
Quote from: Onslaught on February 13, 2009, 04:11:16 AM
That big happy face black plastic shit on the new 3 is just butt ugly. Other than that I like the car but it just kills it for me.
Yeah, I'm not liking the new Mazda front ends either.  The new 6 looks good, but the 3 and the RX-8 are too much.
Title: Re: Ugly cars. Why?
Post by: 2o6 on February 13, 2009, 08:58:16 AM
Quote from: HEMI666 on February 13, 2009, 08:53:51 AM
Yeah, I'm not liking the new Mazda front ends either.  The new 6 looks good, but the 3 and the RX-8 are too much.

They look like Japanese Peugeots.

(http://image.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/Mazda_3_front.jpg)
(http://www.goodcleantech.com/peugeot308-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Ugly cars. Why?
Post by: Tave on February 13, 2009, 08:59:21 AM
I like the Peugeot better.
Title: Re: Ugly cars. Why?
Post by: 2o6 on February 13, 2009, 09:01:52 AM
Quote from: Tave on February 13, 2009, 08:59:21 AM
I like the Peugeot better.

The 308 looks better in live photos, but it's still generally ugly.


Those stupid smiles only look good on little cars.
Title: Re: Ugly cars. Why?
Post by: NomisR on February 13, 2009, 09:41:16 AM
The 3 looks like an evil japanese with a big smile on his face. 
Title: Re: Ugly cars. Why?
Post by: sportyaccordy on February 13, 2009, 02:00:34 PM
The Venza has an awesome side profile. In fact I was going to make a thread about how good it looks in commercials. I suppose 20" wheels and very careful camera angles will do that though...

And car companies are being overburdened more and more by having to design cars that face ever stricter safety regulations & competition from other manufacturers in size and interior volume. It's a tragedy style-wise but we all benefit in the long run.
Title: Re: Ugly cars. Why?
Post by: MX793 on February 13, 2009, 02:50:29 PM
Quote from: sandertheshark on February 12, 2009, 10:11:23 PM
We've gone over this before.

It's a secret contest between Toyota and Honda to see who can trick us into buying the ugliest mainstream car ever made.

GM already won, granted the Aztek wasn't a huge sales success.  But people bought them.
Title: Re: Ugly cars. Why?
Post by: AutobahnSHO on February 14, 2009, 12:48:12 PM
Quote from: MX793 on February 13, 2009, 02:50:29 PM
GM already won, granted the Aztek Asstek wasn't a huge sales success.  But people bought them.

You're welcome.  :-)
Title: Re: Ugly cars. Why?
Post by: omicron on February 15, 2009, 12:38:52 AM
Quote from: Laconian on February 12, 2009, 11:45:17 AM
This is true for a lot of things in life. It's impossible to possess refined taste in everything.

Nonsense!

:praise:
Title: Re: Ugly cars. Why?
Post by: Atomic on February 15, 2009, 01:07:23 PM
i saw a bright white one (v6 awd) loaded to the max on the showroom floor at a mega dealership yesterday. it looked pretty good in person. a bit quirky, but surprisingly upscale. 
Title: Re: Ugly cars. Why?
Post by: USA_Idol on February 18, 2009, 11:54:31 PM
Quote from: HEMI666 on February 12, 2009, 01:55:35 PM
(http://www.houstoncars.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/2009-toyota-venza.png)

That grille is even more "in your face" in person.  It's uglier too if that's possible.  The rest of the car is actually pretty decent though.

I'll agree with that.  The grille is hideous in person, even more so than photos suggest.  But the rest of the Camry Wagon Venza is actually fairly decent. 
Title: Re: Ugly cars. Why?
Post by: Northlands on February 26, 2009, 09:52:48 AM
I gotta wonder, and this goes beyond the enthusiast crowd here... would the general public be more accepting of the looks of this car if it were a Dodge/Chrysler? Just talking looks here.  Many people I know that have seen the Venza are pretty put off by it... none of which I would call " car people ".
Title: Re: Ugly cars. Why?
Post by: SVT666 on February 26, 2009, 11:06:09 AM
Quote from: Northlands on February 26, 2009, 09:52:48 AM
I gotta wonder, and this goes beyond the enthusiast crowd here... would the general public be more accepting of the looks of this car if it were a Dodge/Chrysler? Just talking looks here.  Many people I know that have seen the Venza are pretty put off by it... none of which I would call " car people ".
Like I said.  It's just the grille.  The rest of the car is actually quite nice.