Holy shit, cool car with a cool name. Poor man's Alfa Giulia? :wub:
From Jalopnik:
The Kia GT4 Stinger concept from 2014 was the concept car you wished was real, and it lives—it lives quite wonderfully. The production version naturally isn't as wild as that concept looked, but it does have a bit more power. Say hello to the Kia Stinger GT, Kia's new rear-wheel-drive sedan with 365 horsepower.
There were teases of the new Stinger GT in the month or so before this week's Detroit Auto Show, but it'll finally be on the floor for everyone to get a good look on Monday. The sauce will come from a 3.3 liter, twin-turbo V6, and it'll also have 376 lb-ft of torque. Its zero-to-60 time will also apparently be 5.1 seconds.
What's hard to believe here is that this thing is a Kia. The styling and power behind this thing are reminiscent of higher-end manufacturers like BMW or Audi, but here we are, dropping our jaws over a Kia.
But let's get to the sad part here. The car will have an eight-speed automatic transmission, with no manual option. Granted, fewer and fewer new sport sedans these days have those, but it's still a bummer.
To help you move on from that hit, here are photos of the Stinger GT in all of its wonderful glory:
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(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--wOP4n9SS--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/wr0idcyfpjjxnv7chinb.jpg)
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Sexy, but I don't see it succeeding in any sort of scale.
Not with the Kia name. 'Murricans still think Kias are little shit boxes, and the people who know better still want to impress the people who don't know better. Also, autotragic.
Quote from: 2o6 on January 08, 2017, 11:19:01 AM
Sexy, but I don't see it succeeding in any sort of scale.
Obviously that'll depend on price, which we don't know yet.
Edit: Looks like high 30's-mid 40's. That's a lot of good looking and reliable RWD sport sedan for those who can accept it's a Kia. I'm definitely checking one out.
This is beautiful inside and out. It actually looks very British (Jaguarish) :ohyeah:
Quote from: cawimmer430 on January 08, 2017, 11:48:31 AM
This is beautiful inside and out. It actually looks very British (Jaguarish) :ohyeah:
Definitely Jag in profile.
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:wub:
Kia and Hyundai have really impressed me in the last few years.
I stumbled upon a Kia dealership during one of my fitness walks and saw a fully-loaded Kia Optima Wagon Diesel for sale for less than 20,000 Euros. The value-for-money is incredible, and it's not a bad looking car at all. If someone gave me one I wouldn't say no to it.
(http://i.auto-bild.de/ir_img/1/4/4/9/1/4/3/Optima-kommt-als-Kombi-644x363-ce3462f3086d5e15.jpg)
Before clicking on this thread I assumed the Stinger GT would be Kia Pro C'eed GT that had been federalized for the US. This is a Kia Pro C'eed GT below. And yeah, they look amazing. :mrcool:
(http://fotos.autozeitung.de/938x704/images/bildergalerie/2013/01/kia-pro-ceed-gt-auto-salon-genf-2013-6.jpg)
(http://www.kia.com/eu/-/media/eu/online-specials/proceed-gt-special-pms/assets/html/dynamics/PMS_pro_ceed_gt_image19.jpg)
(http://www.toddsofcampsie.com/img/new-cars/pro-cee'd-gt/gallery/2.jpg)
Quote from: cawimmer430 on January 08, 2017, 12:05:14 PM
Kia and Hyundai have really impressed me in the last few years.
I stumbled upon a Kia dealership during one of my fitness walks and saw a fully-loaded Kia Optima Wagon Diesel for sale for less than 20,000 Euros. The value-for-money is incredible, and it's not a bad looking car at all. If someone gave me one I wouldn't say no to it.
(http://i.auto-bild.de/ir_img/1/4/4/9/1/4/3/Optima-kommt-als-Kombi-644x363-ce3462f3086d5e15.jpg)
Before clicking on this thread I assumed the Stinger GT would be Kia Pro C'eed GT that had been federalized for the US. This is a Kia Pro C'eed GT below. And yeah, they look amazing. :mrcool:
(http://fotos.autozeitung.de/938x704/images/bildergalerie/2013/01/kia-pro-ceed-gt-auto-salon-genf-2013-6.jpg)
(http://www.kia.com/eu/-/media/eu/online-specials/proceed-gt-special-pms/assets/html/dynamics/PMS_pro_ceed_gt_image19.jpg)
(http://www.toddsofcampsie.com/img/new-cars/pro-cee'd-gt/gallery/2.jpg)
Wow.
I would have bought an Optima wagon last year, had I the choice. I ended up getting a 2015 Sonata last March and have been happy with it since. A Kia/Hyundai wagon offering in the size would have been a no brainer for me.
That is indeed sharp looking
Quote from: Rockraven on January 08, 2017, 11:15:56 AM
Holy shit, cool car with a cool name. Poor man's Alfa Giulia? :wub:
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Nice profile.
Never liked the grille design of Kia; though the similar design of the Skoda grille looks very nice.
Quote from: Northlands on January 08, 2017, 12:26:04 PM
Wow.
I would have bought an Optima wagon last year, had I the choice. I ended up getting a 2015 Sonata last March and have been happy with it since. A Kia/Hyundai wagon offering in the size would have been a no brainer for me.
Wait, they sell the Optima Wagon in North America!?
Quote from: cawimmer430 on January 08, 2017, 12:58:10 PM
Wait, they sell the Optima Wagon in North America!?
Sadly no.
Damn, that is a sharp looking car.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on January 08, 2017, 12:58:10 PM
Wait, they sell the Optima Wagon in North America!?
Nope. If the choice was there, I would have went for it though.
I liked the Optima Wagon as well. Great value-for-money and you get a fully-loaded BMW 5-Series / MB E-Class sized car for little money. Although I wouldn't need all the features - hence my theoretical Kia Optima Wagon would be even cheaper! :lol:
Quote from: cawimmer430 on January 08, 2017, 01:20:40 PM
I liked the Optima Wagon as well. Great value-for-money and you get a fully-loaded BMW 5-Series / MB E-Class sized car for little money. Although I wouldn't need all the features - hence my theoretical Kia Optima Wagon would be even cheaper! :lol:
You want Value For Money™? Look at Versa S™. Full-sized-wagon-esque space in a subcompact sedan™. Now with a standard four speaker stereo and power mirrors.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 08, 2017, 01:23:47 PM
You want Value For Money™? Look at Versa S™. Full-sized-wagon-esque space in a subcompact sedan™. Now with a standard four speaker stereo and power mirrors.
OMG. Hot.
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Quote from: cawimmer430 on January 08, 2017, 01:25:49 PM
OMG. Hot.
(http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/2012-Nissan-Versa-1.6-SL-sedan-placement-626x382.jpg)
Looks like a dog dragging its arse across the carpet.
Quote from: Rockraven on January 08, 2017, 01:31:29 PM
Looks like a dog dragging its arse across the carpet.
:hmm:
Quote from: Rockraven on January 08, 2017, 01:31:29 PM
Looks like a dog dragging its arse across the carpet.
:lol:
As with most Japanese brands, I feel their design heydays were in the '60s and '70s, and some in the early/late '80s. You guys know me, I like
weird cars which nobody likes. :tounge:
My favorite Nissan of all time isn't a GT-R or a Skyline, it's the Cedric sedans which I feel are elegant and simple. :wub:
(https://s23.postimg.org/4vmrnn8ij/image.jpg)
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I also have a thing for the first and second generation Toyota Celica, but my true love is the 1987-1991 Toyota Crown Royal Saloon Hardtop (GS131). Very elegant car. IMO it would have made interesting Lexus LS.
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Looks really good, though it looks a LOT like an Optima. Maybe a little too much. I think that's what's going to kill it more than anything else. Price is a little high too. Chargers start at $28K, and they might be moving to the Giulia platform next go round.
If that 3.3T is the base engine though it's a pretty good deal.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 08, 2017, 02:38:06 PM
Looks really good, though it looks a LOT like an Optima. Maybe a little too much. I think that's what's going to kill it more than anything else. Price is a little high too. Chargers start at $28K, and they might be moving to the Giulia platform next go round.
If that 3.3T is the base engine though it's a pretty good deal.
The Optima's strongest suit is its styling, and the only cues they share is the grille and C-pillar design. Maybe you mean it looks too much like a lower priced car? Like a 7 series resembles a 3 series? :huh:
I, for one, am disappointed. When I saw Stinger GT, I thought Kia was building this:
(http://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/gallery/kia-gt4-stinger-concept-is-a-sexy-korean-toyobaru-live-photos_8.jpg)
The sedan is cool and all, but they should have called it something else.
Quote from: Rockraven on January 08, 2017, 02:41:45 PM
The Optima's strongest suit is its styling, and the only cues they share is the grille and C-pillar design. Maybe you mean it looks too much like a lower priced car? Like a 7 series resembles a 3 series? :huh:
Brah, come on.
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I don't think it's unreasonable for automotive civilians to confuse these two cars. It goes well beyond the C-pillar. This is a similar situation to the Chevy SS/last gen Malibu. Too close for comfort.
A $40k Kia sports sedan? Yeah, hard pass.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 08, 2017, 03:21:45 PM
Brah, come on.
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(http://www.cstatic-images.com/stock/900x600/273633.jpg)
I don't think it's unreasonable for automotive civilians to confuse these two cars. It goes well beyond the C-pillar. This is a similar situation to the Chevy SS/last gen Malibu. Too close for comfort.
Yeah! 99% of non car guys won't be able to tell them apart....
Quote from: MrH on January 08, 2017, 04:33:30 PM
A $40k Kia sports sedan? Yeah, hard pass.
Legit comment, given your Genesis experience. Still want to check one out though.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 08, 2017, 03:21:45 PM
Brah, come on.
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(http://www.cstatic-images.com/stock/900x600/273633.jpg)
I don't think it's unreasonable for automotive civilians to confuse these two cars. It goes well beyond the C-pillar. This is a similar situation to the Chevy SS/last gen Malibu. Too close for comfort.
Familial similarities, to be expected. It's hard to tell an A4 from an A6 to the untrained eye. Same with the Bimmers.
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C6 on January 08, 2017, 04:44:12 PM
Yeah! 99% of non car guys won't be able to tell them apart....
Even some car guys will likely need a double take to tell the difference if they pass one on the street.
I don't think too many people will mistake this for an Optima, unless they only see it side on from 50 feet away. Those that do surely couldn't tell an A4 from an A6 or a 3-series from a 5.
(http://s3.caradvice.com.au/thumb/770/382/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/2017_kia_stinger-gt_10.jpg)
Well, much like the latest Camaro, if I see one zipping by in the oncoming lane on the highway, I have trouble telling from just a glance that's it's a 6th gen vs a 5th gen, and I suspect this will be similar with the Optima.
Anyways it's a silly complaint. The Optima is well regarded for its design, and the Stinger looks upscale from that, so everything is as it should be.
power liftgate with small trunk like the 5er GT
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Looks good, sounds exciting, will probably drive like shit. I don't think Kia/Hyundai has successfully nailed chassis tuning in any of their product yet and it ultimately turns out to be a better looker than a driver. The lack of a manual is probably for the best.
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I think Kia would have had better sales/profit if they'd made an SUV on this platform. Something with wide flares and raked back glass
I saw a headline yesterday saying large sedans took a giant dump this year in sales. a 4,200lb automatic only big sedan with 5.1 to 60 doesn't rustle my jimmies.
Looks great, but I don't think I could get over the Kia name.
From Evo:
QuotePeak power is 365bhp, with 376lb ft of torque available from just 1300rpm. The 0-62mph time is 5.1 seconds, which is Kia's best to date by a clear margin, but in a world of sub-four second hot hatches it's brisk rather than blistering. At more than 1900kg the Stinger GT is certainly no flyweight.
4200lbs
Re: Familial resemblance
It's OK when a cheaper car is made to look like a more expensive car. Here, Kia has done the opposite. They should have introduced a new design language with this thing, and then made the next Optima look like it. Or just keep it separate so people don't confuse the two. It's too close for comfort.
Re: Size/weight
I think the automotive press has it wrong. They see the price and are comparing it to 3s and the like. But with that curb weight and big liftback, this thing is pretty obviously a Korean A7/6 Gran Coupe. From that POV it becomes a much more interesting proposition. Most of the 3 fighters are a tight fit for families, but this will probably be able to work for anybody.
Families aren't looking for a cheap competitor to the A7s and 6 Gran Coupes of the world. CRV crushes this thing in terms of a practical vehicle for a family.
Quote from: MrH on January 09, 2017, 06:51:38 AM
Families aren't looking for a cheap competitor to the A7s and 6 Gran Coupes of the world. CRV crushes this thing in terms of a practical vehicle for a family.
Families are usually good with 1 crossover and 1 sedan... this obviously wouldn't be a main family vehicle, just as an Optima or Camry or 3 series or w/e isn't. But this is way more usable for a family than say, an ATS.
Its a nice looking car but bigger than I personally would like. If I was getting something this big I would just go with the Chevy SS. More power, full size space inside, and I believe its lighter too.
Quote from: Raza on January 09, 2017, 03:08:34 AM
Looks great, but I don't think I could get over the Kia name.
Then experience of going to a Kia dealership is like visiting a really shitty Walmart... Should only be done as a last resort
In previous times I totally scoffed at the "dealership experience" thing. Now, via the Infiniti, I'm totally into it. Sure, I pay for it but it's worth it, particularly the no-hassle service loaners and non-Walmart feel to the process and people.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 09, 2017, 06:11:10 AM
Re: Familial resemblance
It's OK when a cheaper car is made to look like a more expensive car. Here, Kia has done the opposite. They should have introduced a new design language with this thing, and then made the next Optima look like it. Or just keep it separate so people don't confuse the two. It's too close for comfort.
Re: Size/weight
I think the automotive press has it wrong. They see the price and are comparing it to 3s and the like. But with that curb weight and big liftback, this thing is pretty obviously a Korean A7/6 Gran Coupe. From that POV it becomes a much more interesting proposition. Most of the 3 fighters are a tight fit for families, but this will probably be able to work for anybody.
They're probably picking the competition based on its price and sporty positioning. Otherwise, it would be like a TLX/ES350/MKZ type of vehicle: an entry-luxury midsize sedan, against the 3 Series et al compacts.
Man I wish this came out 3 years ago. Looks like the perfect car for me
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Quote from: SJ_GTI on January 09, 2017, 07:54:38 AM
Its a nice looking car but bigger than I personally would like. If I was getting something this big I would just go with the Chevy SS. More power, full size space inside, and I believe its lighter too.
YUP.
Quote from: r0tor on January 09, 2017, 09:06:54 AM
Then experience of going to a Kia dealership is like visiting a really shitty Walmart... Should only be done as a last resort
I can only imagine. But I do like this.
http://youtu.be/idh0ktrSyD8
Dat gray over red leather
Looks better there!
That video is promising. Looks a lot less like an optima in motion
Looks even better in "real life" pictures. It looks a bit smaller than I originally thought as well.
I have to admit I didn't read the press release...does one of those cars have an "AWD" badge on the back? I thought this was supposed to be RWD. I assume the AWD is optional...but I would guess the take rate on the AWD will be something like ~90% or more.
Quote from: SJ_GTI on January 10, 2017, 06:32:24 AM
Looks even better in "real life" pictures. It looks a bit smaller than I originally thought as well.
I have to admit I didn't read the press release...does one of those cars have an "AWD" badge on the back? I thought this was supposed to be RWD. I assume the AWD is optional...but I would guess the take rate on the AWD will be something like ~90% or more.
AWD is optional, and rumor is the base engine will be a 2.0T I think?
2.0T is definitely coming in 2018... I haven't heard about AWD but Kia would be stupid not to offer that. Fuck this thing's gonna be a pig though, 4000+lbs in V6 AWD trim easily
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 10, 2017, 06:51:26 AM
2.0T is definitely coming in 2018... I haven't heard about AWD but Kia would be stupid not to offer that. Fuck this thing's gonna be a pig though, 4000+lbs in V6 AWD trim easily
4200lbs to be exact
Quote from: Xer0 on January 08, 2017, 11:11:40 PM
Looks good, sounds exciting, will probably drive like shit. I don't think Kia/Hyundai has successfully nailed chassis tuning in any of their product yet and it ultimately turns out to be a better looker than a driver. The lack of a manual is probably for the best.
Kia/Hyundai snatched Albert Biermann from BMW in April 2015, who was Head of Development for the M cars. Maybe he can improve them.
They should buy Lotus.
A winner in my books! Looking to update my "profile" car pic and with recently acquired iPhone and iPad being programmed over the weekend; the choice among new options leaves deciding upon a single model tough. But, will likely select one of the two vehicles I own or some type of Volvo.
The Press / Varied Sources
January 21st, 2017
DETROIT • Automotive News, 01.20.2017 • Kia made the 2017 Detroit auto show a platform to showcase the Stinger, aiming to add some thrill to its lineup and challenge European luxury automakers. The 2018 Kia Stinger's wheelbase is longer than many in the compact sport sedan class dominated by some of the most recognizable -- and copied -- names in the industry, including the BMW 4 Series Gran Coupe, the Audi A4 and the Mercedes C-class and CLS. The Stinger is quite a departure for the Korean brand, leaving much to be discussed among the automotive press. Here's what people are saying about the 2018 Kia Stinger. -- AN
"While Kia has always had some pretty sleek designs, it's more of a mass-market manufacturer. It's great at churning out cars that look good and have great value, but offer little excitement behind the wheel. The Stinger changes that up with a fastback-style sedan that's easily the sportiest production car the Korean manufacturer has ever built."
-- Andrew Krok, Roadshow by CNET
"Kia has said for years that it would build a rear wheel drive sedan, and now it's doubling down on its promise. The GT4 Stinger concept graced the Detroit stage three years ago, but then seemed to fade away. Kia's current top-selling model is the Soul, a boxy and quirky crossover. And while a Stinger isn't going to cut into the crossover market, it could get Kia the brand respect it desires. In the world of sports cars, the sting is usually associated with the iconic Corvette Stingray, certainly not Kia. But the game and how its players maneuver is changing at this auto show where news and practical production giants loom large. Kia offers welcome reprieve, a car that we haven't seen before that has looks and personality, like car shows of days past. We care about the tech inside of car, but we have to admit, it's fun to see a car that has some oomph to it."
-- Tamara Warren, The Verge
"What's hard to believe here is that this thing is a Kia. The styling and power behind this thing are reminiscent of higher-end manufacturers like BMW or Audi, but here we are, dropping our jaws over a Kia. But let's get to the sad part here. The car will have an eight-speed automatic transmission, with no manual option. Granted, fewer and fewer new sport sedans these days have those, but it's still a bummer."
-- Alanis King, Jalopnik
"It looks like a Maserati and will go like a BMW, especially as the handling was honed on the Nurburgring, the cathedral of European sports cars. If there's one problem with the Stinger, it's that I fear nobody will buy one. Such impressive performance and features are sure to account for a sticker price north of $40,000, and I'm still not sure if the car-buying public is ready to drop that kind of coin on a Korean sports sedan.
Then again, the Genesis G80 has done well for itself, so I could very well be wrong. For a car like this, I sincerely hope that's the case."
-- Brian Leon, New York Daily News
"Stinger retains Kia's tiger-shark nose with the familiar grille and a long nose. It builds out from there with wide wheel arches, air intakes in front and with 'gills' behind the front wheels, a wide stance and long wheelbase that gives the rear-wheel-drive sedan muscle car proportions. Quad exhaust pipes add to the sporting appeal."
-- Robert Duffer, Chicago Tribune
"Nobody expected Kia to actually make the GT Concept we'd seen a couple of years ago, but here it is — in all its Germanic rear-wheel-drive, turbocharged, sports sedan glory. The interior is dynamite as well, with all the style of the Alfa Romeo Giulia but added room, refinement and material quality that betters the last Audi A4 I sampled. Priced right, this thing could be a serious contender for Kia... although it does make one wonder why Kia is making a car that should have gone to the Genesis luxury brand instead."
-- Aaron Bragman, Cars.com
"Good timing, Stinger. Big Three muscle mostly sat out this year's show, giving the Nurburgring-tested, five-door Kia coupe the performance spotlight. First shown as the stunning Kia GT concept in Europe in 2011, the Stinger makes a statement of Kia's intentions to be more than a builder of mainstream appliances. 'This is a Kia brand that surprises and challenges,' says design boss Peter Schreyer. The same length as its doppelganger — the $70,000 Audi A7 — Kia says the Stinger will be targeted at the $40,000 BMW 3-series, Audi A4 and Mercedes C-class."
-- Henry Payne, The Detroit News
"The design certainly is aggressive; it is the work of Kia's European design studio in Frankfurt. Up front, there's the brand's familiar 'tiger nose' grille, but behind that, the low stance and muscular proportions effectively distinguish the Stinger from anything else the company has produced. Buyers will be able to have fun by getting their buddies to guess the brand of their new car when seen in profile. There's something distinctly Alfa Romeo–ish about the rear end's small, high-mounted taillights as well as the quad tailpipes on the V-6 GT model. LED lighting is standard front and rear."
-- Mike Duff, Car and Driver
Quote from: SJ_GTI on January 09, 2017, 07:54:38 AM
Its a nice looking car but bigger than I personally would like. If I was getting something this big I would just go with the Chevy SS. More power, full size space inside, and I believe its lighter too.
About to post some disparaging news about that "SS", note thread within section dated January 21, 2017.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 17, 2017, 11:44:11 AM
They should buy Lotus.
Doesn't Lotus currently tune a few Kia/Hyundias as it is? That might not be a bad idea.
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Quote from: Xer0 on January 21, 2017, 07:57:26 AM
Doesn't Lotus currently tube a few Kia/Hyundias as it is? That might not be a bad idea.
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IIRC, the Kia Sephia was tubed by Lotus ...?
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on January 21, 2017, 08:18:54 AM
IIRC, the Kia Sephia was tubed by Lotus ...?
This sounds bewilderingly true to me
I know Lotus Engineering consulted on the ride tuning for the current Genesis because they failed so bad with my generation Genesis :lol:
I got one of the current ones as a rental when mine was in the shop for like a week. Huge improvement. Still not class leading or anything, but it was much nicer all around (better ride, much better driving dynamics).
Quote from: MrH on January 23, 2017, 08:08:09 AM
I know Lotus Engineering consulted on the ride tuning for the current Genesis because they failed so bad with my generation Genesis :lol:
Nope, just your R-Spec.
??? No, my R-spec did not have Lotus consultation. My R-Spec is what pushed them to get Lotus involved.
Quote from: MrH on January 23, 2017, 07:25:56 PM
??? No, my R-spec did not have Lotus consultation. My R-Spec is what pushed them to get Lotus involved.
The R-Spec is the only terrible-riding first-gen Genesis.
Quote from: ifcar on January 23, 2017, 07:53:33 PM
The R-Spec is the only terrible-riding first-gen Genesis.
Oh, gotcha. Yeah, that's fair.
Evidently it really pissed off the mothership and buying faithful when Hyundai US ended up being the only market to get the Lotus-ified Genesis and how noticeably better it was than Hyundai's own effort.
LOL
Why would it be surprising? Hyundai's last credible dalliance in sports car chassis was with the Hyundai SCoupe. :devil:
Reviving this thread. Motor Trend tested a Stinger as part of Best Driver's Car this year, and it didn't embarrass itself: www.motortrend.com/news/kia-stinger-gt-2018-best-drivers-car-contender/ . I'm tempted to replace my G with a 2019 Stinger. Am I crazy?
Yea, Hyundai/Kia = do not trust list.
Quote from: afty on September 20, 2018, 10:16:23 AM
Reviving this thread. Motor Trend tested a Stinger as part of Best Driver's Car this year, and it didn't embarrass itself: www.motortrend.com/news/kia-stinger-gt-2018-best-drivers-car-contender/ . I'm tempted to replace my G with a 2019 Stinger. Am I crazy?
Go for it!
I think I would rather do the G70 instead. It looks to be the better product and really benefits from the extra year or so development its had relative the Stinger. Plus the Sport M/T is like 39K which is a hell of a deal. And it looks better too, but thats just IMO.
I am contemplating the G70 AWD - Stinger GT is actually a much bigger car.
I wouldn't mind bigger. I have kids and have to fit car seats in the back. The G70 does seem to drive better though from the initial reviews. Also the Genesis ownership experience sounds nice.
1:40 is relevant to this thread
https://youtu.be/4KmhbxBlk3M
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Quote from: r0tor on September 20, 2018, 04:07:01 PM
1:40 is relevant to this thread
It was worrying that the stock pads were very bad to the point of spinning off the track on the first lap. Makes you wonder about driving on a nice mountain road downhill.
The 370Z years ago had similar issues (not as bad).
I like the part when they say they put the EU market's pads :devil:
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on September 22, 2018, 05:59:40 PM
It was worrying that the stock pads were very bad to the point of spinning off the track on the first lap. Makes you wonder about driving on a nice mountain road downhill.
The 370Z years ago had similar issues (not as bad).
Very stupid cost cutting. G's brakes were solid at the track with Hawk 5.0s