Quote from: Rich on April 29, 2024, 03:30:09 PMTesla World Takeover 2024

lol

We've had a Kia EV6 for 2/3 of a year and have put 24 thousand miles on it. Never set foot in the dealership after the day I got it. If I wanted to rotate the tires, I'll take it to a local tire shop. I'll get new tires at around 30 thousand miles anyways as EVs tend to eat tires. I've never charged it at a public charger (fast or slow ones). I've charged it several times at family members Tesla chargers and with the Amazon bought adaptor, it works fine. If going on a long distance journey, I take one of the ICE cars we have. Even if the Kia EV6 was compatible with public Tesla superchargers with an adaptor, I wouldn't bother. I don't want to plan "fueling" on a long distance trip. Enough other things to be concerned with and don't want my car to dictate when I need to take a 20 minute or often longer break.

If you get an EV and are financing or leasing, particularly non Tesla branded EV, I'd consider gap insurance. They have horrendous depreciation. My Kia EV6 has probably lost 1/3 of value already. Even knowing that, I wouldn't hesitate to get another one. It's my favorite car.

All car mag reviews I've read of the refreshed Model 3 have given it stellar ratings as a driver. Reliability is not great.  While parts and service can take a long time, I believe Tesla will usually give out a loaner during the warranty period if your car can't be driven.

 

Quote from: Rich on April 29, 2024, 11:12:25 AMI'll have to post a walk through video of the local Hyundai Kia dealerships here

If Tesla service sucks I'll be done with it and move on in time  

It's horrendous.  If anything, Tesla has made the arguments for dealerships existing.  Tons of dealerships suck, including most Hyundai & Kia dealerships.  But there are good dealerships out there, and they're priceless when you actually have an issue.

Quote from: Morris Minor on April 29, 2024, 10:18:11 AMI wouldn't buy anything that's non-NACS-native. Lots of Osborning going on.

Why?  CCS + an adapter is literally the same thing.

I'll have to post a walk through video of the local Hyundai Kia dealerships here

If Tesla service sucks I'll be done with it and move on in time  

I wouldn't buy anything that's non-NACS-native. Lots of Osborning going on.

Quote from: MrH on April 29, 2024, 09:19:36 AMIoniq 5 & 6 are worth a look and are similarly cheap for a lease, but without as much BS.

Probably depends on the dealership. Sounds like the Hyundai/Kia dealerships haven't moved up market as quickly as their cars have.

Oooof.  I could send you a laundry list of horror stories getting warranty work done, getting murdered on fees when you turn it back in, etc.  But it sounds like you already made your mind up.  Sad.

Ioniq 5 & 6 are worth a look and are similarly cheap for a lease, but without as much BS.

Damning report from NHTSA.  The knots you guys are tying yourselves into to say it's a nothing is wild to watch.