Quote from: Morris Minor on May 14, 2024, 05:27:12 AMOkay they bought the Odyssey - immaculate EX-L, 32k miles and the rear entertainment add-on. The new tires are Michelin CC2s - so that's good.

This means the end of the road at last for the 2003 Pilot. I bought it new in 2002 when my son was 13, & it now has something like 260k miles on the clock.

That's a strong run for the Pilot.  20+ years and a quarter million miles is impressive.

Okay they bought the Odyssey - immaculate EX-L, 32k miles and the rear entertainment add-on. The new tires are Michelin CC2s - so that's good.

This means the end of the road at last for the 2003 Pilot. I bought it new in 2002 when my son was 13, & it now has something like 260k miles on the clock.

I saw lots of Rogues in New Zealand (OT: and, funnily enough, lots of Mazdas [or "Mazda's" as they say on the Internet]. Mazdas of all kinds, several of which I'd never seen before.)

I'd rather not risk dealing with flat tire on 2hr drive to catch a flight, so we'll take Odyssey this week. And yeah, these exact tires are $200. Michelin Primacy A/S with 8k miles on them.

The Primacy Tour A/S has better user reviews on tirerack, but also 3lbs and $30 more per tire.

Quote from: MrH on May 13, 2024, 09:16:54 AMI can't think of a single competitive Nissan product at this point.

Rogue is somewhat competitive, or at least not terrible compared to the rest of its segment.  But I agree the rest of Nissan's lineup is garbage.

Buying a new Nissan is a smart move if you hate yourself and get pleasure out of self-harm.  That's about it. 

Probably fine unless you hit a pothole hard. Gonna need to be replaced soon

I can't think of a single competitive Nissan product at this point.

Looking over Nissan's current product portfolio, it becomes readily apparent the Rogue is their only competitive product.  Everything else is either roundly trounced by the competition, or is as old as the hills.  It's obvious Nissan won't (or can't) spend money on product development and frequently resorts to the "mutton dressed as lamb" approach by clothing very old underpinnings in new bodywork.

Look at the Nissan Z.  The 2023 model is effectively a reskin of the 2009 370Z, which itself was based on a slightly modified version of the 2003 350Z platform.  Likewise, the Z's VR engine is an evolution of the VQ engine which is now 30 years old.  So what we have here is a new body masking a very old car underneath.

I got stuck with a Nissan Kicks rental car last year and I can't even begin to fathom why anyone would spend their own money for one.  Wait, I can think on ONE reason.....

Living in Middle Tennessee, I am in Nissan Central.  Their US headquarters is in Franklin and there's a massive production facility in Smyrna, plus the engine plant in Decherd.  Just about everyone here is either related to someone or knows someone who can swing them a killer Friends & Family discount on a new Nissan.  This explains why, like cockroaches in a Waffle House, these damned Nissans are EVERYWHERE in my neck of the woods!

Even with this incentive, I still have no burning desire to buy one.

Quote from: Morris Minor on May 11, 2024, 02:39:39 PMHe had to take over, but it's getting there. Interesting listening to the passengers.

I've driven for 20 years now, and haven't had an at fault accident.  It needs to be better than me to be a viable product.  It can't go a single drive without a dangerous disengagement.

It's a party trick and nothing more.