Poll
Question:
Which cars should I consider when I decide to get a new car?
Option 1: BMW 5-series
votes: 2
Option 2: Audi A6
votes: 10
Option 3: Audi A7
votes: 8
Option 4: Infiniti G-37
votes: 4
Option 5: Other (please specify)
votes: 10
I'm starting to think about getting a new car. Generally, that means I won't actually get one for at least a year.
I like the BMWs but I'm willing to try something else. I really like that Audi, as well as the Infiniti. I'm looking for any ideas that you guys have.
As you know, I'm committed to having one car rather than two, so I need something practical.
Let me know what you think. Thanks for any comments or suggestions.
I?d decide between the Audis and the BMW obviously after test driving all 3 in your situation. Financials of course will play a part as well. Can?t go wrong with those choices.
Being me, I couldn?t bring myself to buy an Audi.
911, duh.
A7
There may be a new G coming out soon. While I really like the G, it's a class below the other options and you might be able to tell while driving it. (Maybe not, as far as I know it's the most sports oriented of the group)
The A7 will be more practical than the others (Due to the hatchback, it has alot of cargo room) while not losing any driving pleasure from the A6.
Last but not least, well in my opinion it is the least... the 5 series. Depending on what you like about your current car and what you dislike about it you might be slightly disappointed with the new 5 series.
I'd like the also recommend the new Volvo S60. It's about the size of the G, and for the price of a decently equipped A6 or 5 series you should be able to get a fully loaded S60 with AWD and 325hp.
Quote from: 2o6 on August 16, 2011, 08:27:17 PM
A7
YES. I've never had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Dazzle yet, but I sense him to be the perfect A7 man. Maybe that has a bit to do with the fact that I want one myself :mask:
Wild card. Speakers in the headrests for abba jam sessions.
(http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2009/07/12/12/19/2009-infiniti-g37-sport-pic-18016.jpeg)
(http://0.tqn.com/d/cars/1/0/B/w/1/ag_09g37conv_int.jpg)
Just in case you're not up on Infinitis, the G is the Infiniti in the 3-Series class rather than the 5-Series. The 5-Series competitor is the M.
To your question....consider all of them. Do some driving and report back. Do you also have any interest in the Hyundai Genesis?
Quote from: 68_427 on August 16, 2011, 08:39:18 PM
Wild card. Speakers in the headrests for abba jam sessions.
You can also buy a 1991 Miata and get headrest speakers for ABBA jam sessions.
Quote from: Rupert on August 16, 2011, 09:23:49 PM
You can also buy a 1991 Miata and get headrest speakers for ABBA jam sessions.
The RX-7 convertible had huge headrest speakers and would be even better for ABBA.
Having driven the G37 sedan, that is my pick. It's a fantastic car.
You might actually find the new 5 Series too big because it is quite a bit bigger than your car. If I didn't want the V8 muscle of the Dodge Charger, the G37 would be my next car.
I'm a G37 fan myself. I came very close to getting one.
Last week I sat in a loaded Kia Optima 2.0T. Stunning car.
Quote from: Rockraven on August 16, 2011, 10:11:25 PM
Last week I sat in a loaded Kia Optima 2.0T. Stunning car.
I drove a base 2.4 6MT model about two weeks ago.
Good car.
Quote from: Rockraven on August 16, 2011, 10:11:25 PM
Last week I sat in a loaded Kia Optima 2.0T. Stunning car.
He's much too opulent for that. I'm not even sure if he could be seen parking next to a Kia. :devil:
I'd also wait a few months and check out the brand new 3 series.
I'm going to vote Infiniti because it might be your first retirement car. It has a venerable engine and transmission that have undergone tons of testing, doesn't have techno nonesuchery that makes upkeep expensive, and it's a truly enjoyable car. Sure, consider it a bit of a downgrade if you want, but I consider it adjusting for a more practical way of life -- and a hell of a good car in its own right.
It's bigger than a 3 Series by a good amount, too -- close to the same size as your older 5 Series you had before your current car.
Hyundai Genesis R-Spec.
Quote from: the Teuton on August 16, 2011, 10:50:06 PM
I'm going to vote Infiniti because it might be your first retirement car. It has a venerable engine and transmission that have undergone tons of testing, doesn't have techno nonesuchery that makes upkeep expensive, and it's a truly enjoyable car. Sure, consider it a bit of a downgrade if you want, but I consider it adjusting for a more practical way of life -- and a hell of a good car in its own right.
It's bigger than a 3 Series by a good amount, too -- close to the same size as your older 5 Series you had before your current car.
+1
All cars are getting more complex and thus more expensive to maintain. Of those three, I think the G would be the cheapest to maintain and require the least amount of dealer trips (in and out of warranty).
It's also a damn sexy car that is probably a ton of fun to drive. I love me a solid German car, but I think they're sliding down past their high point in terms of quality and longevity.
Range Rover. You cannot deny the WASPy blue blood that courses through your veins.
Quote from: Laconian on August 16, 2011, 10:57:54 PM
Range Rover. You cannot deny the WASPy blue blood that courses through your veins.
I'd recommend him an Evoque if he were a rich suburban housewife or an upwardly mobile lesbian, but since he's neither, I can't.
The Evoque is for fur-clad, status-obsessed Eastern European ice queens.
Quote from: Laconian on August 16, 2011, 10:57:54 PM
Range Rover. You cannot deny the WASPy blue blood that courses through your veins.
Amateur. Jaguar is where its at
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-9kikZYzox_o/TZ6-4pbZ-1I/AAAAAAAAAj4/-aHJlYZZ1rQ/s1600/2011-jaguar-xf.jpg)
Quote from: Laconian on August 16, 2011, 11:05:55 PM
The Evoque is for fur-clad, status-obsessed Eastern European ice queens.
Come on, it's not that vain.
Quote from: The Pirate on August 16, 2011, 10:56:03 PM
It's also a damn sexy car that is probably a ton of fun to drive.
That it is. I giggled when I drove it. Giggled. I also found it more enjoyable than the coupe because the roof wasn't as low and the exhaust note sounds much better in the sedan.
You'd look right at home in an A6, and the other WASPs you work and live with won't look down their noses at you :lol:. The 5 series is a fine car I'm sure, but it's time for something new in the driveway!
I'm surprised to hear so many loved driving the G37. The G35 wasn't really all that special unless pushing it really hard (much like the 350Z and 370Z), so I would have guessed more of the same.
Either way, you're an old man with a good bit of money. Buy the A6.
Mercedes W212 E-Class
(http://wimmerfotografie.de/images/galerie/07-wimmer-2010-mercedes-benz-e350-cgi-03.jpg)
- Great looks
- Comfortable
- Safe
- Roomy
- Quality
- RWD
- Good handling
- History & Heritage :devil:
and lastly...
You'd look damn good in this car. Think of all the hot college chicks you'd be picking up (and there's even room for three/four girls on the backseats). That's right. :lol:
Wouldn't be better to just ask your chauffeur what he would like to drive?
Actually the Genesis seems like a good way to go... the 10 year warranty is probably good for someone on a fixed income, which Dave will be, hopefully sooner rather than later... ;)
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Quote from: Onslaught on August 17, 2011, 08:39:57 AM
Wouldn't be better to just ask your chauffeur what he would like to drive?
It's probably not practical for him to buy one of these:
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(http://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/pictures/VEHICLE/2012/Fisker/101399940/20383825-E.jpg)
If they actually bring this car out to market....
I think the Model S will be a better car, but neither may be as sporty as he seems to be looking for.
(http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/2012-tesla-model-s-2-625x467.jpg)
I think an A6 would suit you. You're just not a big enough prick to buy another BMW.
You also need a mid-life-crisis car, so maybe say to heck with the practical sedan and get an Audi S5. Make Ron jealous.
I would go G37 Sedan 6MT, M56, or Genesis 5.0 R Spec.
I voted "other." You should check out the Jaguar XF.
Everyone and their mom has a 5-Series, A6, or E-Class. Not only is the Jaguar somewhat more of an unusual, cool choice, it also sounds like the best car in the class, IMO. It has the best interior and best balance of ride/handling. I also think it's the best looking, although your tastes may differ from mine.
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If you want a car that has some degree of practicality, but don't want a wagon then the A7 might be worth a look.
(http://fotos.autozeitung.de/462x347/images/bildergalerie/2010/07/Audi-A7-Sportback-2010-30-Kofferraum-Rueckbank-umgeklappt.jpg)
Anyone who suggests the A7 needs their head examined. Cross the A7 off the list immediately.
Quote from: 93JC on August 17, 2011, 03:14:38 PM
Anyone who suggests the A7 needs their head examined. Cross the A7 off the list immediately.
I would prefer A6 Avant, but that is not on the list. :ohyeah:
But what is wrong with an A7, except perhaps for the fact that the essentially identically vehicle is more expensive then it's A6 sibling?
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Quote from: Tave on August 17, 2011, 01:38:27 PM
I voted "other." You should check out the Jaguar XF.
Everyone and their mom has a 5-Series, A6, or E-Class. Not only is the Jaguar somewhat more of an unusual, cool choice, it also sounds like the best car in the class, IMO. It has the best interior and best balance of ride/handling. I also think it's the best looking, although your tastes may differ from mine.
I agree 100%
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 17, 2011, 01:25:58 PM
I think an A6 would suit you. You're just not a big enough prick to buy another BMW.
You also need a mid-life-crisis car, so maybe say to heck with the practical sedan and get an Audi S5. Make Ron jealous.
I think Audi owners are bigger pricks then BMW ones.
Quote from: Onslaught on August 17, 2011, 05:16:09 PM
I think Audi owners are bigger pricks then BMW ones.
You did not meet the "GET OFF MY LAWN" BMW owner that I met last week. We owned his stupid ass with intellect, but I was prepared to use my fists.
Quote from: 93JC on August 17, 2011, 03:14:38 PM
Anyone who suggests the A7 needs their head examined. Cross the A7 off the list immediately.
A7
Quote from: Onslaught on August 17, 2011, 05:16:09 PM
I think Audi owners are bigger pricks then BMW ones.
The only people I know that drive either brands are actually quite pleasant. There seem to be more young douchebags driving BMWs around though. That said, a guy in a S8 about ran me off the road merging into me today, so some Audi drivers are probably assholes.
I like the idea of something a little more unusual like a Jag.
Quote from: Onslaught on August 17, 2011, 05:16:09 PM
I think Audi owners are bigger pricks then BMW ones.
Because a lot of the former BMW pricks are migrating to Audis.
I recommend a DAF 600: classic lines, boxer engine, CVT transmission, celebration of your Dutch heritage.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/DAF_img_2284.jpg/800px-DAF_img_2284.jpg)
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on August 17, 2011, 05:17:14 PM
You did not meet the "GET OFF MY LAWN" BMW owner that I met last week. We owned his stupid ass with intellect, but I was prepared to use my fists.
The local Audi dealer uses my road for test drives. Those people are ass holes. Now the BMW people could be too. But they don't drive by here. I find MB people to be the big dicks on the road.
A7 or a Jag.
Or this. (http://www.yearone.com/yodnn/home/tabid/54/default.aspx)
Did anyone suggest 911?
Yes?
911.
Quote from: 93JC on August 17, 2011, 01:48:28 PM
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Quote from: thewizard16 on August 17, 2011, 05:49:30 PM
The only people I know that drive either brands are actually quite pleasant. There seem to be more young douchebags driving BMWs around though. That said, a guy in a S8 about ran me off the road merging into me today, so some Audi drivers are probably assholes.
Infiniti is the worst.
I have an MB & an Infiniti.
Am I not your brother? :(
I second the Genesis but I would recommend the V6 model. Honestly, I don't see why you would need the 4.6 or 5.0. The V6 already makes 330hp and is ample quick while being a decent amount cheaper.
Quote from: Raza on August 18, 2011, 10:45:39 AM
Infiniti is the worst.
The drivers of the G35/37s seem like the privileged boy-racer types around here, but beyond that I don't have enough observation to have much of an opinion about them. Infiniti's more expensive luxury cars and SUVs do not seem to sell well here. They're probably the least common "large" luxury brand I see around here, despite the dealership's heavy advertising.
Quote from: Xer0 on August 18, 2011, 02:31:08 PM
I second the Genesis but I would recommend the V6 model. Honestly, I don't see why you would need the 4.6 or 5.0. The V6 already makes 330hp and is ample quick while being a decent amount cheaper.
Besides, the Genesis isn't remotely sporty. I don't understand the love affair people on here have with it.
Quote from: thewizard16 on August 18, 2011, 02:36:32 PM
The drivers of the G35/37s seem like the privileged boy-racer types around here, but beyond that I don't have enough observation to have much of an opinion about them. Infiniti's more expensive luxury cars and SUVs do not seem to sell well here. They're probably the least common "large" luxury brand I see around here, despite the dealership's heavy advertising.
Yeah, I wasn't aware Infiniti sold anything but Gs. I know they have other models for sale, but no one buys them.
Quote from: Raza on August 18, 2011, 03:08:14 PM
Yeah, I wasn't aware Infiniti sold anything but Gs. I know they have other models for sale, but no one buys them.
(http://www.westhoustoninfiniti.com/img/1531346)
^The other popular model.
Not where I live, fortunately.
Quote from: ifcar on August 18, 2011, 03:12:35 PM
^The other popular model.
I guess they sell them since everytime I drive by there are several on their lot, but I never see them actually on the road. Everyone seems to drive Range Rovers, Escalades, and more Range Rovers in that price bracket here.
Quote from: SVT666 on August 18, 2011, 02:43:57 PM
Besides, the Genesis isn't remotely sporty. I don't understand the love affair people on here have with it.
It's a relatively inexpensive vehicle for what you get. You pretty much have a vehicle that would potentially sell for 50% more if it was a luxury marque with the same equipment. On top of that, instead of the crooked Honda wanna-be logo, you get the imitation Bentley logo in the back instead so people won't know you're actually driving a Hyundai. On the Exterior, it looks like a cross between a Lexus, BMW, and Mercedes Benz... you have a collage of cars..
What about a x6 M? I'm seeing quite a few of those.. they're starting to look good.
No, no they are not. They looked stupid to begin with and they will always look stupid. Get your eyes checked.
Quote from: NomisR on August 18, 2011, 03:16:08 PM
It's a relatively inexpensive vehicle for what you get. You pretty much have a vehicle that would potentially sell for 50% more if it was a luxury marque with the same equipment. On top of that, instead of the crooked Honda wanna-be logo, you get the imitation Bentley logo in the back instead so people won't know you're actually driving a Hyundai. On the Exterior, it looks like a cross between a Lexus, BMW, and Mercedes Benz... you have a collage of cars..
The special badge is actually a dealer-installed option. It comes with a Hyundai logo from the factory.
Quote from: ifcar on August 18, 2011, 03:35:24 PM
The special badge is actually a dealer-installed option. It comes with a Hyundai logo from the factory.
Oh, that I didn't know.. I guess most of the Genesis owners I saw didn't want people to know they're driving a Hyundai then... makes sense.
Quote from: NomisR on August 18, 2011, 03:39:42 PM
Oh, that I didn't know.. I guess most of the Genesis owners I saw didn't want people to know they're driving a Hyundai then... makes sense.
I saw one on the highway yesterday that had the weird logo and it was the first like that I'd seen. The Genesis seems pretty popular, but I guess most of them around here brandish the regular H. Probably varies a lot from dealer to dealer too on how they push the car.
Quote from: thewizard16 on August 18, 2011, 03:56:45 PM
I saw one on the highway yesterday that had the weird logo and it was the first like that I'd seen. The Genesis seems pretty popular, but I guess most of them around here brandish the regular H. Probably varies a lot from dealer to dealer too on how they push the car.
Right, I'm sure most of the badges are installed before the customer even sees the car.
I saw that a couple of weeks ago and assumed it was a new thing for 2011 models or something.
Obviously the
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A7 is incredibly sexy.
Quote from: ifcar on August 18, 2011, 03:12:35 PM
(http://www.westhoustoninfiniti.com/img/1531346)
^The other popular model.
Looks like it's hunting for plankton.
Quote from: ifcar on August 18, 2011, 03:35:24 PM
The special badge is actually a dealer-installed option. It comes with a Hyundai logo from the factory.
Ingredients:
One hot air gun
Some fishing line or dental floss
3M Glue Remover
Result: Debadged goodness.
Quote from: Morris Minor on August 19, 2011, 07:02:24 AM
Ingredients:
One hot air gun
Some fishing line or dental floss
3M Glue Remover
Result: Debadged goodness.
And you may be left with 2 holes in the back.
Quote from: Morris Minor on August 17, 2011, 05:57:32 PM
I recommend a DAF 600: classic lines, boxer engine, CVT transmission, celebration of your Dutch heritage.
Let's see. Dazzleman is of Dutch descent so that means a DAF is a good choice. At the same time the brand "Volvo" was mentioned.
No problem.
Volvo 66 - based on the DAF 66. :lol:
(http://www.ritzsite.demon.nl/DAF/Cars/DAF66.jpg)
Or better yet, get that Citroen CX behind it. :praise:
And "66" also coincides with his current age, right? :devil:
Quote from: cawimmer430 on August 19, 2011, 10:45:10 AM
And "66" also coincides with his current age, right? :devil:
I actually have a friend with a brother almost as old as Dave. :mask:
Quote from: cawimmer430 on August 19, 2011, 10:45:10 AM
Let's see. Dazzleman is of Dutch descent so that means a DAF is a good choice. At the same time the brand "Volvo" was mentioned.
Volvo 66 - based on the DAF 66. :lol:
That is indeed a handsome beast.
What about an Audi S4? 7 speed dual clutch.
I just hope you get something dazzling
CTS-V
You know you want a black or classy pearlescent white one. Fuck the imports. You don't drive much, so you might as well have something really fucking cool/awesome/badass.
(http://home.comcast.net/~gnxs/Images/cleanv.jpg)
(http://www.picturearchive.co.za/Images/large_2009+Cadillac+CTS-V+sedan+-+pearl+white+-+fvl.jpg)
Quote from: 68_427 on August 19, 2011, 07:47:35 PM
CTS-V
You know you want a black or classy pearlescent white one. Fuck the imports. You don't drive much, so you might as well have something really fucking cool/awesome/badass.
Nice.
wat
Quote from: 68_427 on August 19, 2011, 08:03:30 PM
wat
I think you were around 9 years old at the time, which is about the right mental age for PMC's shenanigans ;)
Thanks for the suggestions guys. I'll come back with comments in the next couple of days. Lots going on.
Do you have a little time off from work? I hope at some point I can car shop and just go drive everything.
Quote from: 68_427 on August 19, 2011, 08:33:33 PM
Do you have a little time off from work? I hope at some point I can car shop and just go drive everything.
Not right now.
Quote from: Laconian on August 19, 2011, 08:05:33 PM
I think you were around 9 years old at the time, which is about the right mental age for PMC's shenanigans ;)
I remember PMC... that silly nut.
I do like the CTS-V suggestion, but I'm still rooting for the A6.
Quote from: dazzleman on August 19, 2011, 08:23:37 PM
Thanks for the suggestions guys. I'll come back with comments in the next couple of days. Lots going on.
Or if you want some really roomy, comfortable and iconic.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3631/3677633885_7ef8e8c069.jpg)
Dodge St. Regis - and they must be cheap to buy now to! :praise:
Lots to think about here.
I'm surprised that only one person voted for the new 5-series. Very interesting. I was sort of underwhelmed by the BMWs at the auto show this year. They seemed to be kind of dowdy.
I'm thinking about taking the leap down to a smaller size, but my concern is quality of drive. I'm not a big fan of the 3-series, and I noticed a definitely difference in drive quality between the 3-series and 5-series when I've gotten a 3-series as a loaner a couple of times. My 2001 BMW was the best driving car I ever had, bar none.
It seems that the mid-sized cars are getting bigger and bigger, and I don't really like big cars. So it could make sense to consider cars like the A4 rather than the A6. Or maybe even the S4. Fuel economy is a concern, though, and I don't want to get one that only gets 22 mpg or so on the highway.
I think I need to go out and do some test drives, and create a matrix of prices as well as pros and cons of all the cars I'm going to consider. I don't plan to do anything for at least a year, so I have some time. I really enjoy car shopping and it gets me back into the whole car scene in a more connected way than when I'm not looking for a car.
Quote from: 68_427 on August 16, 2011, 08:27:43 PM
There may be a new G coming out soon. While I really like the G, it's a class below the other options and you might be able to tell while driving it. (Maybe not, as far as I know it's the most sports oriented of the group)
The A7 will be more practical than the others (Due to the hatchback, it has alot of cargo room) while not losing any driving pleasure from the A6.
Last but not least, well in my opinion it is the least... the 5 series. Depending on what you like about your current car and what you dislike about it you might be slightly disappointed with the new 5 series.
I'd like the also recommend the new Volvo S60. It's about the size of the G, and for the price of a decently equipped A6 or 5 series you should be able to get a fully loaded S60 with AWD and 325hp.
Volvo is an interesting idea. Before I bought my first BMW in 2001, I test drove a Volvo and liked it. It has a bit of a stodgy image, that of a car driven by a man whose wife makes the car-buying decisions. At least that's my impression. And their marketing is all based on safety and not fun driving. Maybe I'll take a look at it, though.
Quote from: 68_427 on August 16, 2011, 08:39:18 PM
Wild card. Speakers in the headrests for abba jam sessions.
(http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2009/07/12/12/19/2009-infiniti-g37-sport-pic-18016.jpeg)
(http://0.tqn.com/d/cars/1/0/B/w/1/ag_09g37conv_int.jpg)
That would be sweet as a second car. Don't tempt me... :evildude:
Quote from: Vinsanity on August 16, 2011, 08:30:50 PM
YES. I've never had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Dazzle yet, but I sense him to be the perfect A7 man. Maybe that has a bit to do with the fact that I want one myself :mask:
I loved the A7 at the auto show. I will definitely consider it and probably test drive it. The issue there will probably be fuel economy and price.
Quote from: SVT666 on August 16, 2011, 10:06:49 PM
Having driven the G37 sedan, that is my pick. It's a fantastic car.
You might actually find the new 5 Series too big because it is quite a bit bigger than your car. If I didn't want the V8 muscle of the Dodge Charger, the G37 would be my next car.
Thanks for the input. I love the look of the G37 and it seems the mid-sized class of cars is getting too big for me.
Quote from: Tave on August 17, 2011, 01:38:27 PM
I voted "other." You should check out the Jaguar XF.
Everyone and their mom has a 5-Series, A6, or E-Class. Not only is the Jaguar somewhat more of an unusual, cool choice, it also sounds like the best car in the class, IMO. It has the best interior and best balance of ride/handling. I also think it's the best looking, although your tastes may differ from mine.
The Jag does look pretty sweet. My concern is with the repair record. I keep hearing that they're very finnicky and break a lot.
Quote from: Morris Minor on August 17, 2011, 05:57:32 PM
I recommend a DAF 600: classic lines, boxer engine, CVT transmission, celebration of your Dutch heritage.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/DAF_img_2284.jpg/800px-DAF_img_2284.jpg)
Perfect!
Quote from: 68_427 on August 19, 2011, 07:47:35 PM
CTS-V
You know you want a black or classy pearlescent white one. Fuck the imports. You don't drive much, so you might as well have something really fucking cool/awesome/badass.
(http://home.comcast.net/~gnxs/Images/cleanv.jpg)
(http://www.picturearchive.co.za/Images/large_2009+Cadillac+CTS-V+sedan+-+pearl+white+-+fvl.jpg)
When I see those vertical back lights, I always think there must be a dead body in the trunk. I guess I watched too many "Sopranos" episodes. :lol:
Quote from: dazzleman on August 20, 2011, 05:11:46 AM
The Jag does look pretty sweet. My concern is with the repair record. I keep hearing that they're very finnicky and break a lot.
Yup, Jags are beautiful, and I've always regretted not buying a late-model XJ (they're the same price for the age/miles as the CTS). Until Caddy started acting up on me, and I realized how much more a Jag would cost to repair.
cool, dave! i selected the BMW 5-series, simply based on your carspin signature featuring a bimmer sedan and remembering how much you praised the product at the most recent nyc auto show. i seem to recall you taking more than a passing glance at the new range rover and land rovers models, as well.
you mention audi in your posts and listed it as a choice. there is not a "bad car" in the bunch -- the makes AND models. all of your stated choices are stellar cars, imo.
i would suggest driving each. that will likely rule some in, rule some out and should help you prioritise. i know a lot of audi owners. some think the A7 is way over priced, other say it appears cramped -- due to the stylish (and somewhat controversial) shape of the roof... a sexy car all round, imo.
one critical thing about sitting in each car will help determine comfort, sightlessness (as to a lack of major blind spots, view of most used controls, ability to back up easily enough), seat comfort, reachability, etc. i ruled out a few cars i was looking at in the past because of this, one was the cadillac CTS, another, the caddy STS (costly, but $15,000 off tempted my) and three included audi models: the A3, the previous generation A4 (the current one fits me like a glove -- a positive thing) and the lacking of front headroom of the super hot A5 coupe... plus i was never overly tempted to selected a coupe over a sedan, SUV or crossover for added room and convenience.
another factor: location, location, location -- to you, dealership and service station.
Quote from: Onslaught on August 16, 2011, 10:09:17 PM
I'm a G37 fan myself. I came very close to getting one.
yes. but the infiniti M-series is even roomier and i think it can be had in awd, too, eh? dave is a tall, broad shouldered guy, as i remember from NYC. while the "G" is a fantastic car, the "M" should satisfy anyone interested in the room of an audi A6 or BMW 5-series with the look of infiniti. iffy was first to mention the hyundai genesis. now, that is one roomy, very reasonably priced sedan ( would avoid the coupe considering choices you listed, dave). the sedan can be had with either a V6 or costlier V8.
If we consider that Dave likely carries less than five people in his car a week, the G37 makes all the sense in the world.
Quote from: dazzleman on August 20, 2011, 04:35:20 AM
Lots to think about here.
I'm surprised that only one person voted for the new 5-series. Very interesting. I was sort of underwhelmed by the BMWs at the auto show this year. They seemed to be kind of dowdy.
I'm thinking about taking the leap down to a smaller size, but my concern is quality of drive. I'm not a big fan of the 3-series, and I noticed a definitely difference in drive quality between the 3-series and 5-series when I've gotten a 3-series as a loaner a couple of times. My 2001 BMW was the best driving car I ever had, bar none.
It seems that the mid-sized cars are getting bigger and bigger, and I don't really like big cars. So it could make sense to consider cars like the A4 rather than the A6. Or maybe even the S4. Fuel economy is a concern, though, and I don't want to get one that only gets 22 mpg or so on the highway.
I think I need to go out and do some test drives, and create a matrix of prices as well as pros and cons of all the cars I'm going to consider. I don't plan to do anything for at least a year, so I have some time. I really enjoy car shopping and it gets me back into the whole car scene in a more connected way than when I'm not looking for a car.
This is a good way to frame your search for a new car. The opinions here REALLY helped when we were looking for a convertible for Mrs. M earlier this year (she still loves it). Seems to me that you want to downsize, but you want something a little bit interesting.
When I'm driving I have a sort of passive sonar for automobile observation; I see all the cars around me and they are 95% boring wallpaper. You are looking for the 5% that wake you up and switch on the active "That's cool" sonar.
This may sound crazy, but how about a Mini Cooper (S or JCW)? Compact, frugal, cool, and a ball of fun.
Quote from: NomisR on August 17, 2011, 05:56:46 PM
Because a lot of the former BMW pricks are migrating to Audis.
Or because they think they're better than BMW owners just because they don't drive a BMW.
Quote from: ifcar on August 18, 2011, 03:35:24 PM
The special badge is actually a dealer-installed option. It comes with a Hyundai logo from the factory.
Interesting. I thought the sedan had the Genesis logo while the coupe had the Hyundai logo.
Quote from: BimmerM3 on August 20, 2011, 10:56:55 AM
Interesting. I thought the sedan had the Genesis logo while the coupe had the Hyundai logo.
(http://www.hyundaiusa.com/images/HyundaiUSA/Vehicles/gallery/Genesis/2012/Expand/04.jpg)
That might have made more sense, though.
(http://www.2012benz-details.tk/wp-content/images/2012-benz-cls550-2.jpg)
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/07/jaguar-xj_08blk_usa_opta.jpg)
I think it was C&D that just did CLS Vs A7 and the A7 is way more what Dave is looking for.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparisons/11q3/2012_audi_a7_3.0t_quattro_vs._2012_mercedes-benz_cls550-comparison_tests
However the A7's base price is over $60K, and the CLS even higher.
Dave since you're going to waiting a while maybe also add the Cadillac ATS. It'll be about the size of the 3 series/G37, and GM can't afford for it not to be really good.
Does it have to be new? Looking for something a year or 2 old with the huge initial depreciation gone, but with lots of warranty left opens up a lot of options. Assuming your budget is $50k, you could entertain a luxury SUV (BMW X5, Land Rover, etc) for winter months, and a Boxster for the summer. Or, if you just want one car, an M3, AMG or CTS-V.
Quote from: ifcar on August 20, 2011, 11:33:12 AM
(http://www.hyundaiusa.com/images/HyundaiUSA/Vehicles/gallery/Genesis/2012/Expand/04.jpg)
That might have made more sense, though.
Yeah, I looked it up before my last post. I think it was the front-end that threw me off.
(http://motorride.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/2011-hyundai-genesis-sedan.jpg)
(http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/hyundai-genesis-coupe-2010-793431.jpg)
I'm assuming this is going to be your only car? If so, I vote for the Audi A7. Not only is it drop-dead gorgeous, but it can also carry a chest of drawers in the back should the occasion ever arise! Overall, it's a beautiful package that is enthralling to drive, will go anywhere (thanks to Quattro) and will lug any load you can throw into it. It is by far the best all-rounder here.
Quote from: Rockraven on August 20, 2011, 01:52:17 PM
Does it have to be new? Looking for something a year or 2 old with the huge initial depreciation gone, but with lots of warranty left opens up a lot of options. Assuming your budget is $50k, you could entertain a luxury SUV (BMW X5, Land Rover, etc) for winter months, and a Boxster for the summer. Or, if you just want one car, an M3, AMG or CTS-V.
Well if he was looking at used cars there'd be no point really to get rid of the one he has.
The A7 looks amazing and is very reasonably priced against the CLS, but I don't think it's worth it over an A6.
Quote from: BimmerM3 on August 20, 2011, 10:52:34 AM
Or because they think they're better than BMW owners just because they don't drive a BMW.
We
are better than BMW owners because we don't drive a BMW. :lol: Thankfully the Mercedes owners stay put in their blatantly overpriced vehicles. I saw a comparison between the A7, Jag XJ, and the CLS in MT and the CLS was $14,000 more than the A7 as tested and had a $12,000 premium in base price also. It also had the V8 which I suppose makes a difference, but $12-14,000? Ehhh...there's a lot of good arguing to do to convince me its worth it.
Quote from: Colonel Cadillac on August 21, 2011, 12:24:42 AM
The A7 looks amazing and is very reasonably priced against the CLS, but I don't think it's worth it over an A6.
We are better than BMW owners because we don't drive a BMW. :lol: Thankfully the Mercedes owners stay put in their blatantly overpriced vehicles. I saw a comparison between the A7, Jag XJ, and the CLS in MT and the CLS was $14,000 more than the A7 as tested and had a $12,000 premium in base price also. It also had the V8 which I suppose makes a difference, but $12-14,000? Ehhh...there's a lot of good arguing to do to convince me its worth it.
Especially since Dave wants good MPGs... relatively anyways.
BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT
:wub:
(http://image.motortrend.com/f/37219206+w1500+ar1+st0/2011-jaguar-XJ-rear-three-quarters.jpg)
Quote from: Colonel Cadillac on August 21, 2011, 12:24:42 AM
It also had the V8 which I suppose makes a difference, but $12-14,000? Ehhh...there's a lot of good arguing to do to convince me its worth it.
I think that V8 perfectly justifies that price difference.
Quote from: 68_427 on August 21, 2011, 12:45:04 AM
BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT
:wub:
(http://image.motortrend.com/f/37219206+w1500+ar1+st0/2011-jaguar-XJ-rear-three-quarters.jpg)
I think it looks a little ridiculous.
But sounds incredible :wub:
Quote from: 68_427 on August 21, 2011, 12:45:04 AM
BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT
:wub:
(http://image.motortrend.com/f/37219206+w1500+ar1+st0/2011-jaguar-XJ-rear-three-quarters.jpg)
Easily one of the ugliest cars on the road. Possibly the only uglier car is the Juke.
Dave, next time I'm in your hood we need to go to the Porsche dealership.
Seriously, you owe it to yourself just to check it out.
Quote from: Raza on August 21, 2011, 07:22:55 AM
Easily one of the ugliest cars on the road. Possibly the only uglier car is the Juke.
Brown people have no class anyways, and no amount of over priced watches will change that. :devil:
Quote from: Raza on August 21, 2011, 07:22:55 AM
Easily one of the ugliest cars on the road. Possibly the only uglier car is the Juke.
Saw one in black. Absolutely gorgeous.
People talk about me, but I don't equate a Jag XJ to a Nissan Juke.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=25475.msg1567497#msg1567497 date=1313932975
(http://image.motortrend.com/f/37219206+w1500+ar1+st0/2011-jaguar-XJ-rear-three-quarters.jpg)
Easily one of the ugliest cars on the road. Possibly the only uglier car is the Juke.
Heretic! Burn him! BURN HIM NOW!!!!!!!!!! :rage:
Quote from: sportyaccordy on August 21, 2011, 09:04:35 AM
Dave, next time I'm in your hood we need to go to the Porsche dealership.
Seriously, you owe it to yourself just to check it out.
:rockon:
Quote from: CALL_911 on August 21, 2011, 12:48:12 AM
I think that V8 perfectly justifies that price difference.
I've already decided against a V8. It costs a lot more, burns more gas, and makes my insurance higher. I don't see the benefit. I can get enough power with a 6-cylinder engine.
Quote from: 68_427 on August 21, 2011, 12:17:56 AM
Well if he was looking at used cars there'd be no point really to get rid of the one he has.
Not exactly. My car will probably be 7 years old by the time I get rid of it. I have been thinking about a late model used car, maybe a 2-year-old car coming off lease. But still, I like the idea of a new car.
Dave, how do you plan on using your car over the next seven years or so? Maybe I'm not quite seeing a point to getting rid of your Bimmer quite yet unless you're going into cheaper costs/financial hibernation/retirement mode.
Quote from: the Teuton on August 21, 2011, 07:16:39 PM
Dave, how do you plan on using your car over the next seven years or so? Maybe I'm not quite seeing a point to getting rid of your Bimmer quite yet unless you're going into cheaper costs/financial hibernation/retirement mode.
Might as well have a car with a warranty, as long as you can afford to. :huh:
Quote from: the Teuton on August 21, 2011, 07:16:39 PM
Dave, how do you plan on using your car over the next seven years or so? Maybe I'm not quite seeing a point to getting rid of your Bimmer quite yet unless you're going into cheaper costs/financial hibernation/retirement mode.
I plan to use the car the same way I've been using it. I could possibly drive more if I were to get a job where I drive to work rather than take the train.
I just like to drive a relatively new car. Seven years old is about the oldest I want my car to be. I don't want to bothered with a lot of the maintenance issues that come up with older, higher mileage cars and I just like to have a car with the latest bells and whistles at this stage of the game.
Quote from: dazzleman on August 21, 2011, 07:33:06 PM
I plan to use the car the same way I've been using it. I could possibly drive more if I were to get a job where I drive to work rather than take the train.
I just like to drive a relatively new car. Seven years old is about the oldest I want my car to be. I don't want to bothered with a lot of the maintenance issues that come up with older, higher mileage cars and I just like to have a car with the latest bells and whistles at this stage of the game.
Yeah, I'd still go with the Infiniti or something you can really tech out. It sounds like the 5-year all-inclusive warranty/service package was a big selling point for you on the BMW, though, and I don't know what other carmakers have that...probably should research that.
I've been bored so I played around with online configurators.
Fully loaded G37X (AWD) was $45K, and using that as a base I used the top spec packages for each car, and that's where you run into problems. If you jump up a class the prices are over $60,000. The A6 and A7 might be pushing almost $70,000.
Yes, I know you don't want a V8 but you can get a Jaguar XF Portfolio (Every option besides upgraded stereo) for $60,000 flat. It also has a 5yr/50,000 warranty, which I think is comparable to the other manufacturers or in some cases better.
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/$%28KGrHqIOKjwE2I0Binq2BNldgD0ty!~~_12.JPG)
I repeat...G37 [/thread]
Jags depreciate terribly, and while I'm sure Dave would love his Jag, he'd probably love a good Land Rover LR3 or Range Rover Evoque even more since they would oftentimes probably be his dealer loaners when he'd take his car in for some kind of malfunction.
Quote from: the Teuton on August 21, 2011, 08:14:29 PM
Jags depreciate terribly, and while I'm sure Dave would love his Jag, he'd probably love a good Land Rover LR3 or Range Rover Evoque even more since they would oftentimes probably be his dealer loaners when he'd take his car in for some kind of malfunction.
New car every couple of weeks, how fun does that sound?
From the 2011 JD Power Dependability study:
Entry Premium Car
Lincoln MKZ
Lexus ES 350
Acura TL (tie)
Acura TSX (tie)
Compact Premium Sporty Car
Mercedes-Benz CLK-Class
Midsize Premium Car
Acura RL
Mercedes-Benz E-Class
Lexus GS
Large Premium Car
Cadillac DTS
Mercedes-Benz S-Class
I voted A7
G37 is outclassed by the other choices in your poll BUT it's the cheapest by a wide margin, and seems to be about the size you want. Given you're an old fart and youve been talking about moving to a less hectic career, it makes the most practical sense.
Quote from: SVT666 on August 21, 2011, 08:03:47 PM
I repeat...G37 [/thread]
http://youtu.be/v17lMr0j2D8
PORSCHE!
I really like the MKZ, and it's really all the car Dave needs. But I think it might be below him, or he might think so as well.
BTW $40,000 for a fully loaded MKZ.
Quote from: 68_427 on August 21, 2011, 08:00:30 PM
I've been bored so I played around with online configurators.
Fully loaded G37X (AWD) was $45K, and using that as a base I used the top spec packages for each car, and that's where you run into problems. If you jump up a class the prices are over $60,000. The A6 and A7 might be pushing almost $70,000.
Yes, I know you don't want a V8 but you can get a Jaguar XF Portfolio (Every option besides upgraded stereo) for $60,000 flat. It also has a 5yr/50,000 warranty, which I think is comparable to the other manufacturers or in some cases better.
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/$%28KGrHqIOKjwE2I0Binq2BNldgD0ty!~~_12.JPG)
I'm pretty sure there's a big face lift coming for the XF relatively soon. Probably best to see how that ends up looking.
Quote from: 68_427 on August 21, 2011, 07:31:48 PM
Might as well have a car with a warranty, as long as you can afford to. :huh:
That is financially backwards. It's way more expensive to buy a new car than to fix a somewhat old one here and there.
Dave, for what it's worth, you probably have no more miles than my dad (around 45,000), so maintenance is not going to be pricey for quite some time. People here bitch a lot about out of warranty luxury cars, but shit only gets expensive and breaks a lot once it reaches the higher mileage (over 75k miles).
Not that I am at all advocating you save money and keep your car. A 2012 Audi A6 better be in your driveway by Christmas :lol:
Quote from: MrH on August 21, 2011, 08:35:00 PM
I'm pretty sure there's a big face lift coming for the XF relatively soon. Probably best to see how that ends up looking.
Would you ever want a first-year car? A redesign should have enough new tech in it that it might not be advantageous to get.
Quote from: the Teuton on August 21, 2011, 08:39:33 PM
Would you ever want a first-year car? A redesign should have enough new tech in it that it might not be advantageous to get.
I wouldn't consider a facelift a first-year car. Most of the redesigned things are just aesthetics and fixing problems the car had originally. I'd buy the first year of a facelift over the last year of a pre-face lift every time if the decision was based solely on reliability.
I would actually recommend a new 300C.
Very sweet car in every aspect.
Quote from: hounddog on August 21, 2011, 09:51:35 PM
I would actually recommend a new 300C.
Very sweet car in every aspect.
The 300 Executive looks nice.
Quote from: MrH on August 21, 2011, 08:44:52 PM
I wouldn't consider a facelift a first-year car. Most of the redesigned things are just aesthetics and fixing problems the car had originally. I'd buy the first year of a facelift over the last year of a pre-face lift every time if the decision was based solely on reliability.
It's already happened.
(http://www.autoinfection.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/2012-jaguar-xfr-1.jpg)
Quote from: 2o6 on August 21, 2011, 05:15:33 PM
People talk about me, but I don't equate a Jag XJ to a Nissan Juke.
I didn't equate them. I said the Juke was possibly the only car uglier (sold in the US today, that was implied). There may be others, but it's the only one that comes to mind immediately. The new XJ looks like a Buick buttfucking a Citroen.
Quote from: the Teuton on August 21, 2011, 08:23:11 PM
From the 2011 JD Power Dependability study:
Compact Premium Sporty Car
Mercedes-Benz CLK-Class
Didn't they stop making them in 2010?
Quote from: Raza on August 22, 2011, 07:51:16 AM
I didn't equate them. I said the Juke was possibly the only car uglier (sold in the US today, that was implied). There may be others, but it's the only one that comes to mind immediately. The new XJ looks like a Buick buttfucking a Citroen.
Buick and Citroen field some of the best looking models on the market today. I'd take that as a compliment.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=25475.msg1568186#msg1568186 date=1314021224
Didn't they stop making them in 2010?
The "Dependability Study" is only about three-year-old models.
Quote from: Colonel Cadillac on August 21, 2011, 08:35:28 PM
That is financially backwards. It's way more expensive to buy a new car than to fix a somewhat old one here and there.
Dave, for what it's worth, you probably have no more miles than my dad (around 45,000), so maintenance is not going to be pricey for quite some time. People here bitch a lot about out of warranty luxury cars, but shit only gets expensive and breaks a lot once it reaches the higher mileage (over 75k miles).
Not that I am at all advocating you save money and keep your car. A 2012 Audi A6 better be in your driveway by Christmas :lol:
Do you really think Dave is hurting for money?
Quote from: ifcar on August 22, 2011, 08:03:48 AM
The "Dependability Study" is only about three-year-old models.
Ah.
Quote from: Tave on August 22, 2011, 07:58:25 AM
Buick and Citroen field some of the best looking models on the market today. I'd take that as a compliment.
But anal sex is never pretty.
Quote from: Tave on August 22, 2011, 07:58:25 AM
Buick and Citroen field some of the best looking models on the market today. I'd take that as a compliment.
Yeah, I can't think of any current Citroen or Buick that looks ghastly.
Quote from: Raza on August 22, 2011, 08:16:09 AM
But anal sex is never pretty.
You're doing it wrong.
Quote from: hounddog on August 21, 2011, 09:51:35 PM
I would actually recommend a new 300C.
Very sweet car in every aspect.
:nono: Dave can't drive a Chrysler in his neighborhood, it probably violates HOA rules.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=25475.msg1568186#msg1568186 date=1314021224
Didn't they stop making them in 2010?
It's a three-year study.
Edit: "I see" said the blind man to the deaf man on the phone...
Quote from: Raza on August 22, 2011, 08:15:16 AM
Do you really think Dave is hurting for money?
No, I didn't mean to imply that if I did.
Quote from: Colonel Cadillac on August 23, 2011, 03:41:57 AM
No, I didn't mean to imply that if I did.
Nah, just giving you shit.
Quote from: thewizard16 on August 22, 2011, 09:09:35 PM
:nono: Dave can't drive a Chrysler in his neighborhood, it probably violates HOA rules.
I don't like the new 300C's looks either. I don't know if it's just that all the ones I've seen have aftermarket shit on them, but I think they're pretty ugly. The new Charger is a much better looker.
300C is at best a mediocre choice as a rental car.
Quote from: Lebowski on August 23, 2011, 01:04:47 PM
300C is at best a mediocre choice as a rental car.
Not the new one.
Quote from: ifcar on August 23, 2011, 01:09:23 PM
Not the new one.
Yes, the new one too. It will age just as poorly as every other D3 sedan in recent history. Dave's 6 y/o 5-series is still a very nice car, I don't think that'll be the case w/ the Chrysler 6 yrs from now.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=25475.msg1568183#msg1568183 date=1314021076
I didn't equate them. I said the Juke was possibly the only car uglier (sold in the US today, that was implied). There may be others, but it's the only one that comes to mind immediately. The new XJ looks like a Buick buttfucking a Citroen.
The X6 is uglier than the XJ. Forgot about that one. Tried to, anyway.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=25475.msg1569157#msg1569157 date=1314129553
The X6 is uglier than the XJ. Forgot about that one. Tried to, anyway.
What about the 5 Series GT, or the Honda Crosstour?
Quote from: SVT666 on August 23, 2011, 02:19:08 PM
What about the 5 Series GT, or the Honda Crosstour?
Crosstour definitely. And the Acura line. 5 series GT too. I think that's it though.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=25475.msg1569175#msg1569175 date=1314131025
Crosstour definitely. And the Acura line. 5 series GT too. I think that's it though.
Everything that 2o6 likes?
Quote from: SVT666 on August 23, 2011, 02:29:20 PM
Everything that 2o6 likes?
Strictly speaking, probably. What makes the XJ so much worse is that it was a beautiful car before, and always has been. It was the last beautiful large sedan. So while those Chinese pieces of shit are hideous, you expect them to be, so it's not as bad as having something that once looked so good be so terrible.
The XJ isn't 'ugly' so much as it's now generic looking. The old XJ had a 'look' unto itself. An old-fashioned look: long, low. It looked like a product of the '60s.
The new one doesn't look 'bad', but it does look something like an overgrown Kia.
I think the XJ is beautiful, but it just doesn't say "Jag" to me. The only "ugly" thing I see on the entire car is the black D Pillar.
(http://amglifestyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/jagaurxj.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zjyUJjDIHJU/TigdaChO7AI/AAAAAAAAAVw/qnuCoeqqhSw/s1600/2011-jaguar-xj-leak-002_100202844_l.jpg)
I always thought the old XJ looked dated. I like the new one. If I were in the market for a large luxury sedan, XJ would be it.
Quote from: 2o6 on August 23, 2011, 03:37:28 PM
I always thought the old XJ looked dated. I like the new one. If I were in the market for a large luxury sedan, XJ would be it.
I agree. The old XJ was a lovely, well-engineered machine, but its styling has overstayed its welcome. The facelifted front bumper was an especially bad match to the rest of the retro-styled front fascia. As for the new one, the black rear pillar needs to go, and the big, upright grille doesn't quite flow with the rest of the car, but it's a beautiful car nonetheless.
I like the new XJ and think that it does look like Jag, even if it doesn't look like every previous generation of the XJ. At the end of the day, the same old style with minor tweaks wasn't working, which should be no surprise given that it hasn't worked for a long time. I'm glad Jaguar finally got out of their rut.
What's most important is how it sounds. Did anyone see the Top Gear where Clarkson reviewed it? The V8 burble was AMAZING.
Quote from: TBR on August 24, 2011, 11:20:54 PM
I like the new XJ and think that it does look like Jag, even if it doesn't look like every previous generation of the XJ. At the end of the day, the same old style with minor tweaks wasn't working, which should be no surprise given that it hasn't worked for a long time. I'm glad Jaguar finally got out of their rut.
Yeah, now you see XJs all over the place now. I see four or five thousand a day.
Oh wait, no I don't.
I see far more Panameras (a much better looking car) than XJs. Off dealer lots, I think I've only seen two or three XJs. Unless I saw other ones and thought they were crashed Lincolns (like I did when I saw one from the back on a dealer lot, that also sells Lincolns, for the first time).
Quote from: Raza on August 25, 2011, 04:31:00 AM
Yeah, now you see XJs all over the place now. I see four or five thousand a day.
Oh wait, no I don't.
Well, that conclusively disproves the reported sales increase.
Quote from: ifcar on August 25, 2011, 06:10:03 AM
Well, that conclusively disproves the reported sales increase.
I'd certainly say it does.
(How much of a sales increase are we talking? Is it compared to the previous model year or to the first model year of the last model?)
The XJ's 2010 sales are down significantly from 2004, but most car sales are down from 2004. They were, however, quadruple 2009's.
Quote from: Raza on August 25, 2011, 04:31:00 AM
Yeah, now you see XJs all over the place now. I see four or five thousand a day.
Oh wait, no I don't.
I see far more Panameras (a much better looking car) than XJs. Off dealer lots, I think I've only seen two or three XJs. Unless I saw other ones and thought they were crashed Lincolns (like I did when I saw one from the back on a dealer lot, that also sells Lincolns, for the first time).
Panamera is the worst looking car in it's class.
Quote from: Lebowski on August 25, 2011, 09:35:18 AM
Panamera is the worst looking car in it's class.
I agree, not a single thing on the outside is good to look at.
Quote from: Raza on August 25, 2011, 04:31:00 AM
Yeah, now you see XJs all over the place now. I see four or five thousand a day.
Oh wait, no I don't.
I see far more Panameras (a much better looking car) than XJs. Off dealer lots, I think I've only seen two or three XJs. Unless I saw other ones and thought they were crashed Lincolns (like I did when I saw one from the back on a dealer lot, that also sells Lincolns, for the first time).
Luckily your opinion is not universal truth.
The same old same old wasn't working anymore; they had to do something different. If you don't get that then there isn't anything left to be said.
Quote from: Lebowski on August 25, 2011, 09:35:18 AM
Panamera is the worst looking car in it's class.
The turbo looked good on the road when I saw one last
I finally saw a Panamera up close and it's horribly ugly.
Quote from: SVT666 on August 25, 2011, 07:49:10 PM
I finally saw a Panamera up close and it's horribly ugly.
+1
Quote from: SVT666 on August 25, 2011, 07:49:10 PM
I finally saw a Panamera up close and it's horribly ugly.
They're really big, too. Especially that rump.
I don't know if this has been mentioned already, but Dave, how many miles do you put on your car per year?
Quote from: Speed_Racer on August 25, 2011, 11:07:19 PM
They're really big, too. Especially that rump.
I don't know if this has been mentioned already, but Dave, how many miles do you put on your car per year?
I think they're fine, until you see the butt.
Quote from: Speed_Racer on August 25, 2011, 11:07:19 PM
They're really big, too. Especially that rump.
I don't know if this has been mentioned already, but Dave, how many miles do you put on your car per year?
I think it has under 50,000 miles, maybe even close to 30,000.
Quote from: SVT666 on August 25, 2011, 07:49:10 PM
I finally saw a Panamera up close and it's horribly ugly.
Quote from: 2o6 on August 25, 2011, 11:05:02 PM
+1
Quote from: Laconian on August 25, 2011, 11:09:48 PM
I think they're fine, until you see the butt.
LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA I'M NOT LISTENING LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA
Quote from: 68_427 on August 25, 2011, 11:10:00 PM
I think it has under 50,000 miles, maybe even close to 30,000.
Fuck. I'll buy it.
Quote from: Speed_Racer on August 25, 2011, 11:07:19 PM
They're really big, too. Especially that rump.
I don't know if this has been mentioned already, but Dave, how many miles do you put on your car per year?
8,000 miles per year
Quote from: SVT666 on August 25, 2011, 07:49:10 PM
I finally saw a Panamera up close and it's horribly ugly.
That's an insult to ugly.
(http://liveimages.carsales.com.au//carpoint/car/dealer/100754690.jpg)
Quote from: Lebowski on August 23, 2011, 01:52:33 PM
Yes, the new one too. It will age just as poorly as every other D3 sedan in recent history. Dave's 6 y/o 5-series is still a very nice car, I don't think that'll be the case w/ the Chrysler 6 yrs from now.
I think you should drive an up-equipped variant, then.
They are very nice cars, not at the level of a 5 series for longevity of the styling, but it will stay very nice for five years styling wise. It will probably be just as good or better then the BMW over that time as well.
Quote from: the Teuton on August 22, 2011, 09:10:58 PM
Edit: "I see" said the blind man to the deaf man on the phone...
One bright day in the middle of the night, two dead men got up to fight. Back to back, they faced each other, drew their swords and shot each other. If you don't believe this lie is true, ask the blind man - he saw it too.
Quote from: SVT666 on September 02, 2011, 12:19:10 AM
How much do you want for it?
$75K.... :devil:
Actually, I'm not ready to sell yet, but if you're interested at the time, we could talk. It would be a great road trip for you to come east, pick it up, and drive it back to BC.
Dazzle, it's really easy just to drive a car.
I do it all the time, and you're rich and drive a nice car. All of our opinions mean nothing until get behind the wheel and find out which one you like.
Because honestly, these cars are pretty much on equal footing. Now it comes down to personal preference.
Quote from: 2o6 on September 02, 2011, 06:26:12 PM
Dazzle, it's really easy just to drive a car.
I do it all the time, and you're rich and drive a nice car. All of our opinions mean nothing until get behind the wheel and find out which one you like.
Because honestly, these cars are pretty much on equal footing. Now it comes down to personal preference.
I know, but I respect all you guys' opinions and I like to hear ideas and suggestions. Maybe somebody will suggest something I didn't think of, or know something I don't. In the end, it will come down to driving a few and balancing the quality of drive with other factors like cost, interior room, styling, fuel economy, etc. It helps to hear lots of opinions.
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d66/4five-0/gt-r-09-1280.jpg)
Did you think of that?
Quote from: 565 on September 02, 2011, 07:25:40 PM
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d66/4five-0/gt-r-09-1280.jpg)
Did you think of that?
That is SWEET. If I were getting a second car, I'd definitely consider it. I'm being relatively conservative with my spending right now, but maybe I could consider that at some point in the future.
Just get the GT-R now as a DD and keep the 5 around when you want to lug people around.
Quote from: thecarnut on September 02, 2011, 09:18:05 PM
Just get the GT-R now as a DD and keep the 5 around when you want to lug people around.
I don't want to tie up that much money in 2 depreciating assets when I only need one. Keep in mind I only drive 8,000 miles per year. If I drove double that, I'd almost definitely do it.
I think you should grow a pair and get a 911. But, since it hasn't been mentioned yet:
(http://www.autospies.com/images/users/trymee/main/2012_saab_9-5_front_view.jpg)
Quote from: Rockraven on September 02, 2011, 09:36:10 PM
I think you should grow a pair and get a 911. But, since it hasn't been mentioned yet:
(http://www.autospies.com/images/users/trymee/main/2012_saab_9-5_front_view.jpg)
Isn't Saab on the verge of going under? I like Saab, and I once considered a 9-3 convertible. But I don't know if I'd get one now.
911 -- That is a cool car. If you grow a pair and get one, I'll do that same.... ;)
Quote from: dazzleman on September 02, 2011, 09:44:08 PM
Isn't Saab on the verge of going under? I like Saab, and I once considered a 9-3 convertible. But I don't know if I'd get one now.
911 -- That is a cool car. If you grow a pair and get one, I'll do that same.... ;)
He might one up that and build his own car.
Quote from: 68_427 on September 02, 2011, 10:34:16 PM
He might one up that and build his own car.
Hold on, hold on... I think I just heard a gauntlet being thrown down.
Quote from: Rockraven on September 02, 2011, 09:36:10 PM
I think you should grow a pair and get a 911. But, since it hasn't been mentioned yet:
(http://www.autospies.com/images/users/trymee/main/2012_saab_9-5_front_view.jpg)
God damn that's hideous. I can't believe the 9-5 went from one of the best looking sedans ever just a few years back (before the grille integrated headlamps) to one of the worst.
I'm more suprised that you thought the old 9-5 looked good.
Quote from: dazzleman on September 02, 2011, 05:32:51 PM
$75K.... :devil:
Actually, I'm not ready to sell yet, but if you're interested at the time, we could talk. It would be a great road trip for you to come east, pick it up, and drive it back to BC.
It's 5 days at 12 hours of driving a day. I might just have you ship it on a train...that is, if the price is right.
I think you should get a Charger SRT 392. Since you only do 8000 miles a year, gas mileage shouldn't matter.
Quote from: SVT666 on September 03, 2011, 08:26:01 AM
It's 5 days at 12 hours of driving a day. I might just have you ship it on a train...that is, if the price is right.
I think you should get a Charger SRT 392. Since you only do 8000 miles a year, gas mileage shouldn't matter.
A Charger is pretty badass. I like them.
Quote from: dazzleman on September 03, 2011, 08:42:59 AM
A Charger is pretty badass. I like them.
If you like a $35,000 Dodge, why mess with a $55,000 Infiniti or Audi? It's that much more money toward your future GT-R fund.
Quote from: ifcar on September 03, 2011, 09:13:38 AM
If you like a $35,000 Dodge, why mess with a $55,000 Infiniti or Audi? It's that much more money toward your future GT-R fund.
In case you haven't noticed, logic doesn't play a big role in car buying decisions.
Quote from: dazzleman on September 03, 2011, 09:36:58 AM
In case you haven't noticed, logic doesn't play a big role in car buying decisions.
Then where's your damn Porsche already? :lol:
You would so be the office bad boy with a black Charger SRT-8. Although I think the CTS-V would be better.
Quote from: ifcar on September 03, 2011, 09:46:35 AM
Then where's your damn Porsche already? :lol:
:lol:
Touche.
Charger R/T or SRT is perfect for you.
I agree with yourself. Stop being logical and get a GT-R. You will have enough street cred to hang out in the Walmart parking lot with the other ricers while they decide where the street races will be.
Quote from: SVT666 on September 03, 2011, 02:02:02 PM
Charger R/T or SRT CTS-V, Audi S5 or S7 is perfect for you.
Just my humble opinion.
Quote from: 565 on September 02, 2011, 07:25:40 PM
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d66/4five-0/gt-r-09-1280.jpg)
Did you think of that?
That's actually a great suggestion. Do it, Daz.
Quote from: CALL_911 on September 03, 2011, 02:43:57 PM
That's actually a great suggestion. Do it, Daz.
:whatshesaid:
I mean, it's a dream car. The kind of car us normal folks will ever only dream about. Maybe dazzz's dream car isn't a GT-R, but if he has a dream car and can make it come true, why not? You only live once.
Quote from: 2o6 on September 02, 2011, 11:26:20 PM
I'm more suprised that you thought the old 9-5 looked good.
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd255/shiraz_kariel/2002-saab-9-5-aero_460x0w.jpg)
How could you not?
I've actually come around on the GT-R. I'd rather you get one of those than a 911 with an automatic, as well.
The GT-R has a luxury package for the interior as well, but I'm sure it'll be pushing $100K.
Nevermind it doesn't.
But Dave has alot of driving to do lol.
Quote from: Raza on September 03, 2011, 03:53:19 PM
I've actually come around on the GT-R. I'd rather you get one of those than a 911 with an automatic, as well.
Anyone who buys a tiptronic 911 needs a hearty bootfucking.
Quote from: Rockraven on September 03, 2011, 04:24:38 PM
Anyone who buys a tiptronic 911 needs a hearty bootfucking.
PDK?
Quote from: hotrodalex on September 03, 2011, 04:28:33 PM
PDK?
"Race tech" for old people. That's what these "race bred" transmissions are all for. Old people who are either too old and arthritic to shift themselves or young people who don't know how to drive stick and don't want to stall when they're driving slowly through town.
Quote from: Rockraven on September 03, 2011, 04:24:38 PM
Anyone who buys a tiptronic 911 needs a hearty bootfucking.
Agreed. If you want a 911 with an automatic, you don't want a 911; you want a 6 series.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=25475.msg1575701#msg1575701 date=1315137170
Agreed. If you want a 911 with an automatic, you don't want a 911; you want a 6 series.
A 911 with an automatic seems like a contradiction in terms.
It's okay for women to drive a 911 with an automatic. Women in 911's are hot.
GT-R. People would just assume that you're getting tickets all the time. You wouldn't have to break the law to be a scofflaw. Also, it has AWD for those CT winters.
I'd totally go PDK over the new 7 sp M/T...
Quote from: Laconian on September 05, 2011, 01:49:26 PM
GT-R. People would just assume that you're getting tickets all the time. You wouldn't have to break the law to be a scofflaw. Also, it has AWD for those CT winters.
But it's not enough for people to think I'm a scofflaw. I have to be actually breaking the law.... :rage: :rage:
:lol:
Quote from: dazzleman on September 05, 2011, 03:18:43 PM
But it's not enough for people to think I'm a scofflaw. I have to be actually breaking the law.... :rage: :rage:
:lol:
Let your vehicle inspection expire. Lower your insurance coverage below state minimums. Obscure your license plates with decorative covers. Feel like a badass. :devil:
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on September 05, 2011, 03:22:06 PM
Let your vehicle inspection expire. Lower your insurance coverage below state minimums. Obscure your license plates with decorative covers. Feel like a badass. :devil:
NONE OF THAT WILL DO!!! :rage: :rage:
Only speeding is the right kind of badassery! :pullover:
Quote from: dazzleman on September 05, 2011, 03:22:53 PM
NONE OF THAT WILL DO!!! :rage: :rage:
Only speeding is the right kind of badassery! :pullover:
:rolleyes:
(http://www.fastcarsblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/2010_Nissan_GT-R_2.jpg)
GT-R
:lol:
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on September 05, 2011, 03:31:25 PM
:rolleyes:
(http://www.fastcarsblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/2010_Nissan_GT-R_2.jpg)
GT-R
:lol:
That car is SWEET! I love all the ideas you guys are presenting.
Now THIS is badass:
(http://www.showtomotive.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/2012-Dodge-Charger-SRT8-1.jpg)
Quote from: SVT666 on September 05, 2011, 03:33:31 PM
Now THIS is badass:
(http://www.showtomotive.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/2012-Dodge-Charger-SRT8-1.jpg)
The Charger is practically the definition of badass. And I love the way it looks almost exactly like the early 70s version. That is the era when my love for cars originated. The color makes it even more badass, sort of like it is trying (unsuccessfully) to be stealth about its badassery. In that sense, it's more badass than a red one would be.
(http://image.hotrod.com/f/17124250/hrdp_0903w_02_z+2010_chevy_camaro+burnout.jpg)
Relive your glory days with a new Camaro SS... and one that isn't a total piece of crap.
Whatever you get Dave, it better be faster than the Mustang. Or I'll never let you live it down :devil:
Quote from: dazzleman on September 05, 2011, 03:35:29 PM
The Charger is practically the definition of badass. And I love the way it looks almost exactly like the early 70s version. That is the era when my love for cars originated. The color makes it even more badass, sort of like it is trying (unsuccessfully) to be stealth about its badassery. In that sense, it's more badass than a red one would be.
The R/T Road and Track is only available in Black or Toxic Orange, but if it was available in that colour, that's what I would be getting.
Quote from: HotRodPilot on September 05, 2011, 03:39:36 PM
Whatever you get Dave, it better be faster than the Mustang. Or I'll never let you live it down :devil:
Haha, that threat has some bite now that you FINALLY got pulled over for speeding. Before that, I'd have totally dismissed it. But now, I don't know man, you're a threat to start stepping it up in the speed department, so I better choose carefully.... :lol:
How's your brother-in-law doing? I assume you saw him on your trek, since you went to your niece's wedding. It was pretty funny when he lectured me about speeding on your FB page...
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on September 05, 2011, 03:38:08 PM
(http://image.hotrod.com/f/17124250/hrdp_0903w_02_z+2010_chevy_camaro+burnout.jpg)
Relive your glory days with a new Camaro SS... and one that isn't a total piece of crap.
Might as well get the best pony car on the market then:
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2010/08/12mustangboss30206optb.jpg)
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on September 05, 2011, 03:38:08 PM
(http://image.hotrod.com/f/17124250/hrdp_0903w_02_z+2010_chevy_camaro+burnout.jpg)
Relive your glory days with a new Camaro SS... and one that isn't a total piece of crap.
I had a '73 Firebird, so pretty close. :praise:
But I think Craig is right and I'd choose the 'stang over the Camaro.
Or this:
(http://fordcolors.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/2011-Ford-Shelby-GT500-Convertible-3.jpg)
Quote from: SVT666 on September 05, 2011, 03:44:10 PM
Or this:
(http://fordcolors.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/2011-Ford-Shelby-GT500-Convertible-3.jpg)
Honestly, I wish I weren't limiting myself to one car for financial reasons. I could easily buy about 5 cars. Problem is, I don't drive enough. WTF...I need to retire and take successive road trips.... :rage:
Naaaah. Charger is where it's at. Driving dynamics are on par with the last gen M5, it's faster than fuck, and looks as badass as it gets.
Quote from: SVT666 on September 05, 2011, 03:44:10 PM
Or this:
(http://fordcolors.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/2011-Ford-Shelby-GT500-Convertible-3.jpg)
LOL, that's like my mom's car.
Quote from: dazzleman on September 05, 2011, 03:41:25 PM
How's your brother-in-law doing? I assume you saw him on your trek, since you went to your niece's wedding. It was pretty funny when he lectured me about speeding on your FB page...
:lol:
He's good, actually just picked up his new V8 Charger patrol car. Everyone in town (pop. 2,000) keeps commenting "cool car" and asks him how he likes it. He's starting to get annoyed.
(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l21/iamrich17/PoPo.jpg)
Quote from: dazzleman on September 05, 2011, 03:45:29 PM
Honestly, I wish I weren't limiting myself to one car for financial reasons. I could easily buy about 5 cars. Problem is, I don't drive enough. WTF...I need to retire and take successive road trips.... :rage:
A second car isn't going to "go bad" if you let it sit in your garage six days a week. :huh:
Quote from: HotRodPilot on September 05, 2011, 03:47:53 PM
:lol:
He's good, actually just picked up his new V8 Charger patrol car. Everyone in town (pop. 2,000) keeps commenting "cool car" and asks him how he likes it. He's starting to get annoyed.
(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l21/iamrich17/PoPo.jpg)
That is pretty sweet looking. Does he practice what he preaches, or does he take advantage of his immunity from enforcement to open that badboy up on the highway?
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on September 05, 2011, 03:48:40 PM
A second car isn't going to "go bad" if you let it sit in your garage six days a week. :huh:
It's a lot of money to spend on a depreciating, wasting asset.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=25475.msg1575525#msg1575525 date=1315086656
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd255/shiraz_kariel/2002-saab-9-5-aero_460x0w.jpg)
How could you not?
To me, it's a stylistic non-event.
Not bad, but nothing special either. And by the end of it's life it looked stale.
Quote from: dazzleman on September 05, 2011, 03:49:33 PM
It's a lot of money to spend on a depreciating, wasting asset.
Your life is a depreciating, wasting asset. :evildude: Spend it while you can.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on September 05, 2011, 03:51:47 PM
Your life is a depreciating, wasting asset. :evildude: Spend it while you can.
True. But it's a judgment call as to the best ways to spend the money. A car I can rarely use doesn't rank as high as some other stuff, such as the ability to retire and travel.
Quote from: dazzleman on September 05, 2011, 03:49:10 PM
That is pretty sweet looking. Does he practice what he preaches, or does he take advantage of his immunity from enforcement to open that badboy up on the highway?
He was waiting for me to the south of town... he said he was going to pull me over if he saw me.. but I got in after he was about to get off shift and had left his post already.
He said he's had it going pretty good to see how it'd do (not going to p0st #s)... I've never ridden with him in the PoPo car, but I think he'd drive normally when just getting from A to B. On the street car he does the same 5 over everyone else does and is a pretty conservative driver.
Quote from: HotRodPilot on September 05, 2011, 03:53:52 PM
He was waiting for me to the south of town... he said he was going to pull me over if he saw me.. but I got in after he was about to get off shift and had left his post already.
He said he's had it going pretty good to see how it'd do (not going to p0st #s)... I've never ridden with him in the PoPo car, but I think he'd drive normally when just getting from A to B. On the street car he does the same 5 over everyone else does and is a pretty conservative driver.
He was going to pull you over? I assume that was just to fuck with you. But he didn't sound as if he has much of a sense of humor.... :lol:
Quote from: dazzleman on September 05, 2011, 03:55:12 PM
He was going to pull you over? I assume that was just to fuck with you. But he didn't sound as if he has much of a sense of humor.... :lol:
He has a sense of humor, you just gotta dig for it or wait around for it to surface :lol:
I laugh at almost everything, and he doesn't so I'm sure he thinks I'm a nutcase. Oh well
Quote from: HotRodPilot on September 05, 2011, 03:56:37 PM
He has a sense of humor, you just gotta dig for it or wait around for it to surface :lol:
You should have let him pull you over. That would have been hilarious..... :lol:
Why do you people continue to suggest all these STOOOOPID ideas.
Quote from: 93JC on August 17, 2011, 01:48:28 PM
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[/thread]
Get a Cayman!
[/thread]!!
Quote from: 93JC on September 05, 2011, 04:53:02 PM
Why do you people continue to suggest all these STOOOOPID ideas.
Get a Cayman!
[/thread]!!
Beautiful!
What are you driving these days, Mark?
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a312/axedesign2/awesome_mazda3.jpg)
Mazda 3, of course.
Although I'm working on something else. :mask:
Quote from: 93JC on September 05, 2011, 05:09:20 PM
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a312/axedesign2/awesome_mazda3.jpg)
Mazda 3, of course.
Although I'm working on something else. :mask:
What are you working on?
(http://imganuncios.mitula.net/1993_jeep_cherokee_sport_black_in_bel_air_maryland_93202903108364889.jpg)
Did you have to ask?
That looks great for a '93!
I would rather not say what I'm working on because I don't want to get anyone's hopes up.
[/the teuton]
You haven't had the 3 all that long, either...is something not working out with it, or is there just another potential popping up for a leap as stratospheric is Spirit > new Mazda?
The 3 is quite fantastic, I intend on keeping it for a long time to come.
Dazzleman shouldn't get one though, he should get a Porsche Cayman.
Quote from: 93JC on September 05, 2011, 08:36:22 PM
The 3 is quite fantastic, I intend on keeping it for a long time to come.
So somebody's looking for something old and interesting....
Oh I'm not looking.
... but dazzleman should start looking for a Porsche Cayman.
Quote from: Colonel Cadillac on September 05, 2011, 01:48:29 PM
It's okay for women to drive a 911 with an automatic. Women in 911's are hot.
No it isn't. Waste of a 911 on someone who doesn't appreciate for what it is beyond a status symbol. It's like people who wear Rolexes without appreciating the history and craftsmanship that went into making it.
Quote from: dazzleman on September 05, 2011, 03:35:29 PM
The Charger is practically the definition of badass. And I love the way it looks almost exactly like the early 70s version. That is the era when my love for cars originated. The color makes it even more badass, sort of like it is trying (unsuccessfully) to be stealth about its badassery. In that sense, it's more badass than a red one would be.
:confused:
The full size sedan Dodge Charger looks nothing like the old Chargers.
Quote from: 2o6 on September 05, 2011, 03:49:46 PM
To me, it's a stylistic non-event.
Not bad, but nothing special either. And by the end of it's life it looked stale.
It's a classic and timeless design; looks as good today as it did 10 years ago.
Quote from: 93JC on September 05, 2011, 04:53:02 PM
Why do you people continue to suggest all these STOOOOPID ideas.
Get a Cayman!
[/thread]!!
Why get a Cayman when the Boxster is so much better?
So much better... as a woman's car?
Dave isn't some 23-year-old blonde trophy wife, he's a sophisticated gentleman. A Cayman suits him perfectly.
Although he could use a 23-year-old blonde trophy wife... Hmm...
You are a clever man, Raza.
Caymans are just Boxsters for people who are afraid of sun exposure on their sensitive bald scalps.
To get the next argument out of the way:
"It's faster on a track because it's got a fixed roof."
"I don't live on a track and Dave is an old man with a 5 series. He's not the trackday type either. Even Clarkson said the Boxster is better to drive, despite the Cayman being faster around a track."
"Umm, when Top Gear says something I don't like, it's an entertainment show."
Quote from: Raza link=topic=25475.msg1577298#msg1577298 date=1315391853
Caymans are just Boxsters for people who are afraid of sun exposure on their sensitive bald scalps.
They look better.
Not everyone likes convertibles.
I'd rather have one.
Caymans look great. Personally, I think they are the best looking Porsches ever made.
Me too. See Raza? Popular opinion is against you, as usual.
The Cayman is infinitely sexier than the Boxster. Also, I don't like convertibles.
Quote from: Raza on September 06, 2011, 08:44:36 AM
:confused:
The full size sedan Dodge Charger looks nothing like the old Chargers.
I imagine he meant Challenger, which looks a lot like the old Charger (admittedly mixed a little with the old Challenger), which shares almost nothing in common with the new Charger. Whoever does branding at Dodge needs to figure out a better naming scheme than the old way, because I hear lots of people make this mistake and get confused when they hear the name Challenger later on. What they did to both nameplates in the 80s probably didn't help a lot either.
Quote from: Onslaught on September 07, 2011, 09:53:34 PM
They look better.
Not everyone likes convertibles.
I'd rather have one.
Mhmm.
Quote from: SVT666 on September 07, 2011, 10:03:17 PM
Caymans look great. Personally, I think they are the best looking Porsches ever made.
Mhmm.
Quote from: 93JC on September 07, 2011, 11:01:53 PM
Me too. See Raza? Popular opinion is against you, as usual.
Mhmm.
Quote from: 2o6 on September 07, 2011, 11:20:09 PM
The Cayman is infinitely sexier than the Boxster. Also, I don't like convertibles.
Ah ha!
As an only car I'd get the Cayman, otherwise Boxster for me.
For some reason I'm not as big a fan of the Boxster as I once was. I can't really put my finger on why that it too. When it first came out I had pictures of it all over my tool box and models of it at home. But over the years it's kind of lost it for me.
I think it could be the fact that the Caymen came out and I just like it more.
I do think the Cayman looks better, but I would buy the Boxster over it every time.
Quote from: Raza on September 06, 2011, 08:42:25 AM
No it isn't. Waste of a 911 on someone who doesn't appreciate for what it is beyond a status symbol. It's like people who wear Rolexes without appreciating the history and craftsmanship that went into making it.
Pretty broad brush, there are plenty of women that are petrol heads and enjoy fast cars that would appreciate it beyond the badge on the hood.
Quote from: SVT32V on September 08, 2011, 11:53:21 AM
Pretty broad brush, there are plenty of women that are petrol heads and enjoy fast cars that would appreciate it beyond the badge on the hood.
And I'm sure the female petrolheads would want a 911 with a stick. If not, let them drive 6ers.
Quote from: Raza on September 08, 2011, 12:21:37 PM
And I'm sure the female petrolheads would want a 911 with a stick. If not, let them drive 6ers.
agreed
I don't know if it's been mentioned already, but if so, I'm going to do it again.
Swedish Style!!
(http://www.dieselstation.com/pics/Volvo-S60-Official-Pics-car-wallpaper.jpg)
An S60 is worth looking at. IIRC , a well reviewed car. Not the best at any one particular thing, but does it all quite well. If I were in the position to be buying something in this category, I'd be looking at this too.
Forget the Boxster. If you're going to get a convertible, find a clean example of one of these:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_xTYHSNPx3No/TEyG-D5B0VI/AAAAAAAAACk/CwPeUcSHmyc/s1600/BMW-Z8_2001_800x600_wallpaper_03.jpg)
Quote from: MX793 on September 18, 2011, 11:11:22 AM
Forget the Boxster. If you're going to get a convertible, find a clean example of one of these:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_xTYHSNPx3No/TEyG-D5B0VI/AAAAAAAAACk/CwPeUcSHmyc/s1600/BMW-Z8_2001_800x600_wallpaper_03.jpg)
Um, yes. But make sure to get the Alpina version, since your old, decrepit bones will probably want an automatic.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=25475.msg1583085#msg1583085 date=1316367345
Um, yes. But make sure to get the Alpina version, since your old, decrepit bones will probably want a manual.
Alpinas are automatics, Z8s are manuals.
Z8 was a damn good lookin car
Yes, it is such a timeless design.
They also still cost over $100K.
Quote from: 68_427 on September 18, 2011, 07:09:05 PM
They also still cost over $100K.
Yeah, they're pretty much worth the same now as they were when new. It's aluminum, which is pretty cool.
Quote from: CALL_911 on September 18, 2011, 12:24:57 PM
Alpinas are automatics, Z8s are manuals.
Heh, I knew that, I meant to type automatic.
Quote from: Raza on September 18, 2011, 07:47:25 PM
Heh, I knew that, I meant to type automatic.
They also replaced the engine, to a non M engine.
I'd do unspeakable things for a Z8.
Hah, whoever bought an SL55 AMG over the Z8 must feel like an idiot; due to depreciation, the SL55 cost 1000's of times more :lol:
Quote from: Colonel Cadillac on September 19, 2011, 10:22:04 AM
Hah, whoever bought an SL55 AMG over the Z8 must feel like is an idiot; due to depreciation, the SL55 cost 1000's of times more :lol:
FTFY
People who bought the SL55 (Which was only available with the Z8 for 1 year) was bought by people who wanted to drive it. Most Z8 owners are collectors. They aren't driven much.
Quote from: 68_427 on September 19, 2011, 04:19:29 PM
People who bought the SL55 (Which was only available with the Z8 for 1 year) was bought by people who wanted to drive it. Most Z8 owners are collectors. They aren't driven much.
I'd love to have a Z8, but they're too expensive.
So get an SL550.
Quote from: dazzleman on September 19, 2011, 07:16:47 PM
I'd love to have a Z8, but they're too expensive.
Agreed.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2007-MERCEDES-BENZ-SL550-ROADSTER-NAV-HTD-LEATHER-38K-/400242555537?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item5d3050ba91#ht_22387wt_1165
If you're living up North, you better get a facelifted model with the vented headrests.
SL is stupid for Dave IMO. Not cool enough to sacrifice the practicality Dave wants.
Quote from: CJ on September 19, 2011, 07:29:05 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2007-MERCEDES-BENZ-SL550-ROADSTER-NAV-HTD-LEATHER-38K-/400242555537?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item5d3050ba91#ht_22387wt_1165
Clay, that is SWEET. If I were willing to have a second car, I'd definitely be looking at something like that.
I was passed by a Z8 on I-84 heading westbound a couple of weeks ago. Couldn't keep my eyes off of it.
Dave, how many miles do you have on your 5?
Quote from: Tave on September 19, 2011, 08:57:43 PM
Dave, how many miles do you have on your 5?
It's somewhere in this thread I think.
Quote from: Tave on September 19, 2011, 08:57:43 PM
Dave, how many miles do you have on your 5?
Probably about 5
Did we convince Dave to get Aston Martin yet?
(http://www.feelny.net/photo/Aston-Martin-V8-Vantage78683.jpg)
Quote from: BimmerM3 on September 19, 2011, 09:35:46 PM
Did we convince Dave to get Aston Martin yet?
Can't see the pic, but that's the best idea in this thread yet
Quote from: 68_427 on September 19, 2011, 04:19:29 PM
People who bought the SL55 (Which was only available with the Z8 for 1 year) was bought by people who wanted to drive it. Most Z8 owners are collectors. They aren't driven much.
Nonsense
Quote from: dazzleman on August 16, 2011, 07:54:07 PM
I'm starting to think about getting a new car. Generally, that means I won't actually get one for at least a year.
I like the BMWs but I'm willing to try something else. I really like that Audi, as well as the Infiniti. I'm looking for any ideas that you guys have.
As you know, I'm committed to having one car rather than two, so I need something practical.
Let me know what you think. Thanks for any comments or suggestions.
How about a Jaguar XF. I didn't check the prices on your choices but I think the XF is in the ballpark at $53,000.
(http://www.autocarideas.com/wp-content/uploads/Jaguar-XF-images.jpg)
(http://www.autocarideas.com/wp-content/uploads/2011-jaguar-xf-04.jpg)
Great car and a relatively good deal in the class, but v8 only and Dave doesn't want a v8.
Quote from: Tave on September 19, 2011, 08:57:43 PM
Dave, how many miles do you have on your 5?
43,000 miles
Quote from: dazzleman on September 20, 2011, 10:25:34 AM
43,000 miles
And you've had it for, what, 20 years? I'll have more than that on my Accent after 2 years.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on September 20, 2011, 10:34:30 AM
And you've had it for, what, 20 years? I'll have more than that on my Accent after 2 years.
Apparently, you either suck at math or you don't know what year it is. :lol: 2026 is 15 years away.
What Dave needs is a Lotus Elise.
Quote from: 68_427 on September 20, 2011, 09:00:52 AM
Great car and a relatively good deal in the class, but v8 only and Dave doesn't want a v8.
I wonder why not? Certainly not becasue of mileage; not at that level of car.
Quote from: MiataJohn on September 22, 2011, 09:21:06 AM
I wonder why not? Certainly not becasue of mileage; not at that level of car.
Actually is is because of gas mileage. I think it's dumb personally because he doesn't drive often, but when he does he wants decent mpgs I guess.
Quote from: 68_427 on September 22, 2011, 02:54:07 PM
Actually is is because of gas mileage. I think it's dumb personally because he doesn't drive often, but when he does he wants decent mpgs I guess.
Lets see.
The XF has an EPA combined mileage of 19, cost of fuel $2026
the 2011 Infinity G37 is 19-20 (depending on the model), cost of fuel $1925-$2026
the 2011 A7 is rated at 22 combined, cost of fuel $1749
the 2011 A6 is 22-25 depending on the model, cost of fuel $1540-$1749
the 2011 BMW 5 returns 17-25 depending on the model. cost of fuel $1540-$2264
So at most, figuring 10,000 miles a year and $3.85 per gallon for premium the biggest savings by foregoing a V8* jaguar would be about $500, 1% the cost of the car.
I like high mileage cars but if I were looking to spend $50K for a car I wouldn't sweat $500 a year for gas.
Quote from: MiataJohn on September 22, 2011, 07:21:49 PM
Lets see.
The XF has an EPA combined mileage of 19, cost of fuel $2026
the 2011 Infinity G37 is 19-20 (depending on the model), cost of fuel $1925-$2026
the 2011 A7 is rated at 22 combined, cost of fuel $1749
the 2011 A6 is 22-25 depending on the model, cost of fuel $1540-$1749
the 2011 BMW 5 returns 17-25 depending on the model. cost of fuel $1540-$2264
So at most, figuring 10,000 miles a year and $3.85 per gallon for premium the biggest savings by foregoing a V8* jaguar would be about $500, 1% the cost of the car.
I like high mileage cars but if I were looking to spend $50K for a car I wouldn't sweat $500 a year for gas.
I get 32 mpg on the highway in my car. Fuel economy is important to me, irrational as that may sound.
Can't offend his smug, rich, hybrid driving friends.
Quote from: MrH on September 22, 2011, 09:11:49 PM
Can't offend his smug, rich, hybrid driving friends.
:lol:
I don't hang out with people like that.
Quote from: dazzleman on September 22, 2011, 09:01:54 PM
I get 32 mpg on the highway in my car. Fuel economy is important to me, irrational as that may sound.
If I deal with 25mpg highway max, surely you can deal with slightly less than 32mpg. :lol:
But your car has what... 230hp? Jaaaaaaaaaaag has 385hp and will probably come close to 30mpg, until you start "stealth speeding".
Quote from: dazzleman on September 22, 2011, 09:01:54 PM
I get 32 mpg on the highway in my car. Fuel economy is important to me, irrational as that may sound.
Can't argue with that. I've always bought very fuel efficient cars regardless of other factors. I've owned 1 V8 in my 45 years of car ownership.
Quote from: MiataJohn on September 23, 2011, 06:18:09 AM
Can't argue with that. I've always bought very fuel efficient cars regardless of other factors. I've owned 1 V8 in my 45 years of car ownership.
I last had a V8 in the early 1980s. I've owned 2 of them, and they both got awful gas mileage. While I'm not an economy/ecology nut, I can't see the point of trading better gas mileage for something I don't really need, like power I won't use very often or a huge size I don't need.
For a long time, I had only 4 cylinder cars, so it was a great upgrade to trade up to 6 cylinders when I got my Maxima in 1997.
Quote from: dazzleman on September 25, 2011, 05:24:28 AM
I last had a V8 in the early 1980s. I've owned 2 of them, and they both got awful gas mileage. While I'm not an economy/ecology nut, I can't see the point of trading better gas mileage for something I don't really need, like power I won't use very often or a huge size I don't need.
For a long time, I had only 4 cylinder cars, so it was a great upgrade to trade up to 6 cylinders when I got my Maxima in 1997.
A Maxima? You must have been roughing it back in the 90's.
And we're done here:
2007 Maserati Quattroporte Sport GT
Basically new: 24,000 miles
$52,786
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=304528934&dealer_id=65042979&car_year=2007&systime=&doors=&model=QP&search_lang=en&start_year=1981&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&search_type=both&distance=0&min_price=&rdm=1318653052484&drive=&marketZipError=false&advanced=y&fuel=&keywords_display=&lastBeginningStartYear=1981&end_year=2012&showZipError=n&make2=&certified=&engine=&dma=NEW_ORLEANS&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&body_code=0&isFlashPlugin=true&transmission=Manual&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=45000&color=&address=70115&sort_type=priceDESC&max_price=&make=MAS&seller_type=b&num_records=25&cardist=806&standard=false
Mama mia. Multibene!
Hubba hubba. Very Excellent!
:lol:
Quote from: Colonel Cadillac on October 14, 2011, 10:32:59 PM
And we're done here:
2007 Maserati Quattroporte Sport GT
Basically new: 24,000 miles
$52,786
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=304528934&dealer_id=65042979&car_year=2007&systime=&doors=&model=QP&search_lang=en&start_year=1981&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&search_type=both&distance=0&min_price=&rdm=1318653052484&drive=&marketZipError=false&advanced=y&fuel=&keywords_display=&lastBeginningStartYear=1981&end_year=2012&showZipError=n&make2=&certified=&engine=&dma=NEW_ORLEANS&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&body_code=0&isFlashPlugin=true&transmission=Manual&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=45000&color=&address=70115&sort_type=priceDESC&max_price=&make=MAS&seller_type=b&num_records=25&cardist=806&standard=false
If he's going to be that irresponsible he might as well spend an extra $20,000 and get a Bentley.
Quote from: 68_427 on October 15, 2011, 09:04:18 AM
If he's going to be that irresponsible he might as well spend an extra $20,000 and get a Bentley.
$70K buys a lot of Porsche. Soem of which get 30MPG highway
Have you test driven anything interesting lately?
Quote from: sportyaccordy on October 15, 2011, 09:29:22 AM
$70K buys a lot of Porsche. Soem of which get 30MPG highway
Buying a new Porsche isn't irresponsible. Buying a used Maserati or Bentley is though.
Quote from: 68_427 on October 15, 2011, 09:04:18 AM
If he's going to be that irresponsible he might as well spend an extra $20,000 and get a Bentley.
Quote from: 68_427 on October 15, 2011, 11:10:53 AM
Buying a new Porsche isn't irresponsible. Buying a used Maserati or Bentley is though.
It has 24,000 miles!! That is so fucking ridiculous. :facepalm:
And you wonder why most used Maseratis have low miles. They are a nightmare.
Quote from: 68_427 on September 25, 2011, 09:25:54 AM
A Maxima? You must have been roughing it back in the 90's.
:lol:
Haha, the Maxima was a very nice car, and a major upgrade from what I had before (a Honda Accord).
Quote from: 68_427 on October 15, 2011, 11:10:53 AM
Buying a new Porsche isn't irresponsible. Buying a used Maserati or Bentley is though.
You have the carspin syndrome, in which you automatically believe a car is not worth it because its manufacturer has a subpar reliability reputation. It's not all about that, and at $50k it's definitely not all about that.
Actually, at the low low price of $50k (but act fast; this one won't last!), it is all about the probable care and feeding the car will need.
Quote from: 68_427 on October 15, 2011, 01:18:53 PM
And you wonder why most used Maseratis have low miles. They are a nightmare.
No kidding. Out-of-warranty Italian quasi-exotic? Yeah, have fun with that.
Quote from: Colonel Cadillac on October 15, 2011, 01:04:02 PM
It has 24,000 miles!! That is so fucking ridiculous. :facepalm:
Not really. I wouldn't trust one with 3 miles on it.
Quote from: GoCougs on October 15, 2011, 08:43:55 PM
No kidding. Out-of-warranty Italian quasi-exotic? Yeah, have fun with that.
Well, it shares its engine with the Ferrari F430, so there are surely a lot of junkyard parts available should something go wrong.
Quote from: Laconian on October 15, 2011, 08:49:14 PM
Well, it shares its engine with the Ferrari F430, so there are surely a lot of junkyard parts available should something go wrong.
How many junkyards have F430's in them? I'm thinking not that many. And if you can't buy a new part for your italian car then you shouldn't get one in the first place.
Quote from: GoCougs on October 15, 2011, 08:43:55 PM
No kidding. Out-of-warranty Italian quasi-exotic? Yeah, have fun with that.
How much do you think it will cost to maintain over 4 years and 40,000 miles?
Quote from: Colonel Cadillac on October 15, 2011, 09:06:07 PM
How much do you think it will cost to maintain over 4 years and 40,000 miles?
Nobody really knows, and that's half the reason people are scared as well.
Quote from: Onslaught on October 15, 2011, 08:52:31 PM
How many junkyards have F430's in them? I'm thinking not that many. And if you can't buy a new part for your italian car then you shouldn't get one in the first place.
Should've included a ;)...
Also the engine is different from the F430. Juss saying.
Quote from: 68_427 on October 15, 2011, 09:08:11 PM
Nobody really knows, and that's half the reason people are scared as well.
So you have no reasonable estimate? How about $2000, maybe $4000?
My point is that you can compare a low maintenance new 5-series or whatever for $57,000 to a higher cost Maserati--or something awesome like it--for $52,000, depending on your maintenance estimate.
When comparing cars for $50-60k, you have an unbelievable quantity of amazing options and it's positively stupid to ignore some of the very best options because they may theoretically not be as reliable as the other, newer options if you are an enthusiast like we are.
These are from the Maserati forum.
Quote1. 6,500 mile service (oil change, lube job, general service items, including material and labor) $ 745.00
2. 12,500 mile service (lube, oil and filter change, general service items, plus CHANGE OF CLUTCH, CHANGE ALL TIRES) $ 9,800
3. 18000 mile service (first "big" service, changing all fluids, filters, ...) $ 2,700
QuoteSomeone did the math previously on this forum and they estimated the cost to be $1.50 a mile including maintenance and gas.
Probably not a bad number to work with.
Quote from: Colonel Cadillac on October 15, 2011, 09:06:07 PM
How much do you think it will cost to maintain over 4 years and 40,000 miles?
I'm not exactly sure; I'd have to guess way more than a BMW or MB, and any kind of repair such as a starter motor or a brake job has got to be eye watering.
Jesus. $10,500 is a lot for yearly maintenance.
Also the people on that site get really excited about getting 20mpg highway. lol
Quote from: Colonel Cadillac on October 15, 2011, 09:24:48 PM
So you have no reasonable estimate? How about $2000, maybe $4000?
I'd say significantly more than that, but the point is moot as I'd be a lot more worried about the odd high-dollar out of warranty repair than predictable/routine maintenance.
Then there's the convenience factor - most people spending $50-$60k on a car are sufficiently busy with work/life that they don't want to deal with potential problems.
Quote from: Colonel Cadillac on October 15, 2011, 09:24:48 PM
When comparing cars for $50-60k, you have an unbelievable quantity of amazing options and it's positively stupid to ignore some of the very best options because they may theoretically not be as reliable as the other, newer options if you are an enthusiast like we are.
Just because your an enthusiast doesn't mean you take unnecessary risks.
Quote from: Lebowski on October 16, 2011, 08:05:58 AM
I'd say significantly more than that, but the point is moot as I'd be a lot more worried about the odd high-dollar out of warranty repair than predictable/routine maintenance.
Then there's the convenience factor - most people spending $50-$60k on a car are sufficiently busy with work/life that they don't want to deal with potential problems.
Absolutely. I love driving, but not working on cars, or spending a lot of time and money taking them in for service. And I have no intention of spending $10K per year on car maintenance. No car is worth that to me.
I have no patience with cars that break down a lot. After a couple of times, I'd get rid of the car. When I get into the car and push the start button, I want it to go, no drama.
Quote from: dazzleman on October 16, 2011, 08:13:33 AM
Absolutely. I love driving, but not working on cars, or spending a lot of time and money taking them in for service. And I have no intention of spending $10K per year on car maintenance. No car is worth that to me.
I have no patience with cars that break down a lot. After a couple of times, I'd get rid of the car. When I get into the car and push the start button, I want it to go, no drama.
I'm the same way. If a car starts having problems then it will be gone ASAP. I work on that shit all day and the last fucking thing I want to do in my off time is work on another car. And one that I have to pay for and not get paid working on.
I sold my truck when the alternator went bad I had working on them that much.
It's at least worth the discussion and consideration, no? Carspin has gotten into this habit of immediately dismissing cars based on maintenance reputations without considering the other values the car has to offer, and I think this habit should be curtailed to some degree.
$10k is a lot.
It has now been discussed. But quite simply, there's a reason that car has lost so much of its value, and the reason is not that no one likes the idea of owning a Maserati.
Quote from: Colonel Cadillac on October 16, 2011, 11:26:34 AM
It's at least worth the discussion and consideration, no? Carspin has gotten into this habit of immediately dismissing cars based on maintenance reputations without considering the other values the car has to offer, and I think this habit should be curtailed to some degree.
$10k is a lot.
I love the quattroporte, one of my friends down here has one and it's a beautiful car inside and out. Not sure how his luck has been wrt reliability.
But Dave seems more practical, and it seems he wants a new car partly for convenience reasons. If he's going to consider an '07, he might as well just save the money and keep his 5er, which isn't exactly a high mileage car itself and is a known quantity.
I never really thought he would take it seriously, but still worth talking about. You never know, the lightbulb could light up!
Quote from: Colonel Cadillac on October 16, 2011, 12:54:08 PM
I never really thought he would take it seriously, but still worth talking about. You never know, the lightbulb could light up!
:lol:
I really REALLY had a ton of money, I would definitely go for a car like that. But I'm comfortable, not filthy rich, and I have to work within some practical framework. I'd love to have a car collection if I were rich enough. But I need to satisfy myself with a collection of sneakers instead... :lol:
My dad had a sneaker phase around your age too :lol:
We do need more practical people in this country... :ohyeah:
Quote from: Colonel Cadillac on October 16, 2011, 01:13:15 PM
My dad had a sneaker phase around your age too :lol:
We do need more practical people in this country... :ohyeah:
Did he really? :lol: That's hilarious. I thought I was the only one! But then, I've always been a sneakerhead. I could own 100 pairs.
I just want to make sure I can take care of myself through retirement before I blow a lot of money. I've been doing much better vacations the last two years, and given my schedule and inability to drive that much anyway, I think traveling would bring me more satisfaction than a car I can rarely drive.
I agree.
Sometimes I think "hmm, this TSX needs more power" but my commute is only 5mi and very slow. The HUD always says something stupid like "AVERAGE SPEED: 17mph".
Shit, I've even been thinking "an electric car would be pretty sweet for my commute..." How unthusiast is that? :banghead:
Quote from: Laconian on October 16, 2011, 01:28:57 PM
I agree.
Sometimes I think "hmm, this TSX needs more power" but my commute is only 5mi and very slow. The HUD always says something stupid like "AVERAGE SPEED: 17mph".
Shit, I've even been thinking "an electric car would be pretty sweet for my commute..." How unthusiast is that? :banghead:
:lol:
I just wrote a comment about electric cars on automotive.com. I'm not convinced that they're better ecologically. What happens to all the toxic chemicals in those big batteries that they use? And what happens to the power grid if they become too popular and demand for power goes through the roof? They're the current feel-good thing for hypocritical ecological yuppies who want to feel good about themselves as they pillage the planet.
1) Not a problem - the batteries can be completely recycled.
2) Power grid is no problem here. We have hydro power, and lots of it. If there's one thing that this region has in spades, it's water.
Quote from: dazzleman on October 16, 2011, 01:32:10 PM
:lol:
I just wrote a comment about electric cars on automotive.com. I'm not convinced that they're better ecologically. What happens to all the toxic chemicals in those big batteries that they use? And what happens to the power grid if they become too popular and demand for power goes through the roof? They're the current feel-good thing for hypocritical ecological yuppies who want to feel good about themselves as they pillage the planet.
Pun intended?
Because the electric car's cost per mile (vs gasoline) is much lower, I imagine the use of energy resources is more efficient as well (getting the power from the local power plant).
Hey Dave, think about how much closer to retirement you'd be if you bought a lightly used midsise car like the previous gen Mazda 6.
Quote from: HotRodPilot on October 16, 2011, 01:57:54 PM
Hey Dave, think about how much closer to retirement you'd be if you bought a lightly used midsise car like the previous gen Mazda 6.
That would definitely save some money, but probably not enough to make a big difference.
Trans Am. It'd cost you a pittance and you'd feel like a rebel.
Quote from: Laconian on October 16, 2011, 01:59:09 PM
Trans Am. It'd cost you a pittance and you'd feel like a rebel.
That's so....um, 30 years ago.... :lol: I already tried that in high school (Firebird, not Trans Am).
I may aspire to be a rebel, but I'm also a snob. The Trans Am at this point is way too low on the social scale for me.... :lol:
Plus, they drive so crappy that I couldn't even do any really good speeding in one of them, compared to what I have now.... :devil:
Dave, you like the XC90 so why not get one?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NAVIGATION-BLIND-SPOT-CONV-PKG-3RD-SEAT-WARANTY-FINANCE-/150671602049?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2314ba3181
Edit:
This is the one I'd like.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2007-VOLVO-XC90-SPORT-AWD-4X4-V8-SUNROOF-19-WHEELS-47K-/110758514471?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item19c9b8cf27#ht_26284wt_1165
Quote from: CJ on October 16, 2011, 02:04:32 PM
Dave, you like the XC90 so why not get one?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NAVIGATION-BLIND-SPOT-CONV-PKG-3RD-SEAT-WARANTY-FINANCE-/150671602049?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2314ba3181
The XC90 is my favorite SUV, and if I were looking for an SUV, I'd probably get one. But I really want a sedan.
Quote from: dazzleman on October 16, 2011, 02:05:56 PM
The XC90 is my favorite SUV, and if I were looking for an SUV, I'd probably get one. But I really want a sedan.
So get an S80 T6. 300+ HP, AWD, and a very nice interior.
Volvo troll strikes again.
Quote from: dazzleman on October 16, 2011, 02:01:52 PM
That's so....um, 30 years ago.... :lol: I already tried that in high school (Firebird, not Trans Am).
I may aspire to be a rebel, but I'm also a snob. The Trans Am at this point is way too low on the social scale for me.... :lol:
Plus, they drive so crappy that I couldn't even do any really good speeding in one of them, compared to what I have now.... :devil:
(http://wayofthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/hppp_0904_01_z+1971_pontiac_trans_am+front_angle.jpg)
Add some goodies from DSE (http://www.detroitspeed.com/ (http://www.detroitspeed.com/)) and you're good to go! Should make it handle, ride, and perform better! They even have rack-and-pinion steering so you can actually steer the car instead of just suggesting a change in direction.
Or there's always that Year One
Smokey and the Bandit Trans Am.
Quote from: Rupert on October 16, 2011, 02:13:48 PM
Volvo troll strikes again.
My conscience would not allow me to buy a new car who's platform is that old.
All of Volvo is sad.
Quote from: 2o6 on October 16, 2011, 02:24:19 PM
My conscience would not allow me to buy a new car who's platform is that old.
All of Volvo is sad.
Drive a new S60 and tell me that it's a sad car. Drive an XC60 and tell me it's a sad car. Drive a C30 and tell me it's a sad car. They're good cars.
Quote from: 2o6 on October 16, 2011, 02:24:19 PM
My conscience would not allow me to buy a new car who's platform is that old.
(http://void-star.net/x/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Not_sure_if_serious.jpg)
Quote from: dazzleman on October 16, 2011, 01:58:52 PM
That would definitely save some money, but probably not enough to make a big difference.
26K in depreciation would be saved.
Quote from: HotRodPilot on October 16, 2011, 02:33:00 PM
26K in depreciation would be saved.
Again, if he wants to drive a used car his best bet would be to just keep the 5er.
Quote from: CJ on October 16, 2011, 02:08:19 PM
So get an S80 T6. 300+ HP, AWD, and a very nice interior.
They are expensive. Dave was somewhat interested in downsizing. I've suggested the new S60 many times though.
Quote from: HotRodPilot on October 16, 2011, 01:57:54 PM
Hey Dave, think about how much closer to retirement you'd be if you bought a lightly used midsise car like the previous gen Mazda 6.
I'm kinda thinking along these lines. I think there are many many hard times yet to come. I could be quite fine with a used ~$20k GTI or TSX.
It's probably been suggested but I'm going to suggest the Chrysler 300. 290hp and over 30mpg.
Why is this going on for so long? A man at his age needs a rascal scooter with a viagra dispenser.
Or just keep the BMW he's got now.
Quote from: 93JC on October 16, 2011, 02:29:44 PM
(http://void-star.net/x/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Not_sure_if_serious.jpg)
Its old.
Still not sure if serious...
EDIT: Perhaps I should clarify by asking a question: how old do you think it is?
I feel retardded..... Forgot there was a new s80 a few years back.
I don't think I have ever seen one in person.
Yet and still, it looks uninspiring, old and has no road presense. A Lexus ES would be better, IMO.
The S80 does not seem to be a particularly competitive offering.
Quote from: 2o6 on October 16, 2011, 06:27:19 PM
Yet and still, it looks uninspiring, old and has no road presense. A Lexus ES would be better, IMO.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/Lexus_ES_350_Moon_Shell_Mica.jpg/800px-Lexus_ES_350_Moon_Shell_Mica.jpg)
Blech. You have awful taste.
Dave is only about 50 years old, not 70. He might not even have hit the big five-oh yet. Save the Lexus ES350 recommendations for when he's senile.
The S80 is kind of boring and not competitively priced (new) but it's not that old a design. I don't think it would suit him at all.
Dave: your BMW isn't all that old, seems to be in good shape (if you've publicly complained about problems I missed it) and has many years of more-than-serviceable life left in it. I think all of the choices in your poll are pointless and not worth your time and money. They're
new, but they're not an upgrade by any means. I know you
want a newer car for the sake of it being new, but why? What feature does your BMW
not have that you wish it had?
I still say if you want a new car buy a second one, and buy something
fun. Forget this Audi A7, Infiniti G37, etc. bullcrap: you already have that sort of car, and you have a good example of one. Get something different. You want an Audi? Get a TT. You want another BMW? Get a Z4. You want an Infiniti? Umm... don't get an Infiniti. :lol: I know you don't
want a second car but as I see it this is the perfect time for you to get one. You're only driving 8,000 miles per year anyway: buy something nice, something you REALLY like and want to hold on to for a while, and enjoy! Take it out on the weekends! Drive it in the summer!
Yeah, but the ES doesn't even attempt to have sex appeal.
IMO S80>ES350
ES350 is suitable for only really old people
According to the poll numbers, it looks like Dave will be getting an A6 :rockon:
:lol:
Really, in terms of lower-end cars of this ilk, the S80 seems like dead last. I would take a TL or even an ES over that.
Fortunately you don't have the financial means to make such a foolish decision.
Quote from: 93JC on October 16, 2011, 07:45:42 PM
Dave: your BMW isn't all that old, seems to be in good shape (if you've publicly complained about problems I missed it) and has many years of more-than-serviceable life left in it. I think all of the choices in your poll are pointless and not worth your time and money. They're new, but they're not an upgrade by any means. I know you want a newer car for the sake of it being new, but why? What feature does your BMW not have that you wish it had?
I still say if you want a new car buy a second one, and buy something fun. Forget this Audi A7, Infiniti G37, etc. bullcrap: you already have that sort of car, and you have a good example of one. Get something different. You want an Audi? Get a TT. You want another BMW? Get a Z4. You want an Infiniti? Umm... don't get an Infiniti. :lol: I know you don't want a second car but as I see it this is the perfect time for you to get one. You're only driving 8,000 miles per year anyway: buy something nice, something you REALLY like and want to hold on to for a while, and enjoy! Take it out on the weekends! Drive it in the summer!
+1
Quote from: 93JC on October 16, 2011, 07:45:42 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/Lexus_ES_350_Moon_Shell_Mica.jpg/800px-Lexus_ES_350_Moon_Shell_Mica.jpg)
Blech. You have awful taste.
Dave is only about 50 years old, not 70. He might not even have hit the big five-oh yet. Save the Lexus ES350 recommendations for when he's senile.
The S80 is kind of boring and not competitively priced (new) but it's not that old a design. I don't think it would suit him at all.
Dave: your BMW isn't all that old, seems to be in good shape (if you've publicly complained about problems I missed it) and has many years of more-than-serviceable life left in it. I think all of the choices in your poll are pointless and not worth your time and money. They're new, but they're not an upgrade by any means. I know you want a newer car for the sake of it being new, but why? What feature does your BMW not have that you wish it had?
I still say if you want a new car buy a second one, and buy something fun. Forget this Audi A7, Infiniti G37, etc. bullcrap: you already have that sort of car, and you have a good example of one. Get something different. You want an Audi? Get a TT. You want another BMW? Get a Z4. You want an Infiniti? Umm... don't get an Infiniti. :lol: I know you don't want a second car but as I see it this is the perfect time for you to get one. You're only driving 8,000 miles per year anyway: buy something nice, something you REALLY like and want to hold on to for a while, and enjoy! Take it out on the weekends! Drive it in the summer!
You're right Mark. It doesn't make sense for me to replace my car now. I can either add a second car, of the type you suggest, or do nothing for a while.
Quote from: 93JC on October 16, 2011, 07:58:43 PM
Fortunately you don't have the financial means to make such a foolish decision.
Really, I would be in neither.
With that much cash, I would be terribly indecisive.
Quote from: dazzleman on October 16, 2011, 08:02:11 PM
You're right Mark. It doesn't make sense for me to replace my car now. I can either add a second car, of the type you suggest, or do nothing for a while.
If I'm honest, I'd prefer your car over most new ones in that class.
YES! I love being the voice of reason. :lol:
Seriously, Dave was thinking about the future when he bought his car. He bought the grandpa model.
Quote from: 2o6 on October 16, 2011, 06:25:12 PM
I feel retardded..... Forgot there was a new s80 a few years back.
I don't think I have ever seen one in person.
Quote from: 2o6 on October 16, 2011, 06:27:19 PM
Yet and still, it looks uninspiring, old and has no road presense. A Lexus ES would be better, IMO.
You, sir, are a royal moron.
:lol:
The only problem I have with the S80 is that they got rid of the V8. It sounded so nice... (http://youtu.be/Ap_XolJpm2k)
Like I said earlier: awful taste. I'm very hard-pressed to believe someone who (implicitly) says the Lexus ES350 looks more inspired, looks newer, and has more road presence than a Volvo S80.
Yeah, none of the choices are really worth it over his current car. I'd say revisit in about 2 yrs.
Quote from: Lebowski on October 17, 2011, 06:03:05 AM
Yeah, none of the choices are really worth it over his current car. I'd say revisit in about 2 yrs.
His plan was to wait up to two years anyways.
Quote from: 93JC on October 17, 2011, 01:00:55 AM
:lol:
The only problem I have with the S80 is that they got rid of the V8. It sounded so nice... (http://youtu.be/Ap_XolJpm2k)
That's one of my favorite videos.
(http://cthst.com/drivingemotion/8K800171-24sm.jpg)
(http://cthst.com/drivingemotion/8K800171-20sm.jpg)
(http://cthst.com/drivingemotion/8K800171-35sm.jpg)
Quote from: 68_427 on November 20, 2011, 01:18:01 PM
(http://cthst.com/drivingemotion/8K800171-24sm.jpg)
(http://cthst.com/drivingemotion/8K800171-20sm.jpg)
(http://cthst.com/drivingemotion/8K800171-35sm.jpg)
That is sweet. Even the color is great. I think I want that color for my next car, whatever I end up getting.
That car is for sale. Well it was earlier today.