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Poll
Question: 1997's fastest car vs. 2007's fastest car:
Option 1: votes: 34
Option 2: votes: 10
Title: Then vs. Now
Post by: SVT666 on April 30, 2007, 03:30:40 PM
McLaren for me.
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: CMan on April 30, 2007, 03:31:20 PM
McLaren for me also.
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: Raza on April 30, 2007, 03:31:26 PM
Mclaren for me.
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: mazda6er on April 30, 2007, 03:32:19 PM
This will be a landslide.
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: Raza on April 30, 2007, 03:33:13 PM
Quote from: mazda6er on April 30, 2007, 03:32:19 PM
This will be a landslide.

I'm going to guess about 3 votes for the Veyron.  Trep, Drinkwater, and at least one wildcard.
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: goldenlover1101 on April 30, 2007, 03:36:04 PM
McClaren
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: heelntoe on April 30, 2007, 03:39:06 PM
if i'm not mistaken, that mclaren is actually an LM.
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: Onslaught on April 30, 2007, 03:40:29 PM
I would rather have the money. But I would take the McLaren.
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: SVT666 on April 30, 2007, 03:40:34 PM
The McLaren F1 weighs 2200 lbs and the Veyron weighs 4400+ lbs.  I would be willing to bet the McLaren with 400 fewer horses would outrun the Veyron on the Ring...unless the Veyron already bested the McLaren. :mask:
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: SVT666 on April 30, 2007, 03:41:07 PM
Quote from: heelntoe on April 30, 2007, 03:39:06 PM
if i'm not mistaken, that mclaren is actually an LM.
You are mistaken.
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on April 30, 2007, 03:41:49 PM
Who cares if the Veyron is fast, it's a giantic boat that must make the driver feel completely isolated from the road, right?
747's are wicked fast, but I don't think they're much fun. Lighter  = better.
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: TheIntrepid on April 30, 2007, 03:43:02 PM
Veyron!!!
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: SVT666 on April 30, 2007, 03:43:32 PM
Quote from: NACar on April 30, 2007, 03:41:49 PM
Who cares if the Veyron is fast, it's a giantic boat that must make the driver feel completely isolated from the road, right?
747's are wicked fast, but I don't think they're much fun. Lighter? = better.
:ohyeah:
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: heelntoe on April 30, 2007, 03:47:06 PM
Quote from: HEMI666 on April 30, 2007, 03:41:07 PM
You are mistaken.
hmm, i'm pretty sure there was a pic of an orange LM floating around.
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: SVT666 on April 30, 2007, 03:52:01 PM
Quote from: heelntoe on April 30, 2007, 03:47:06 PM
hmm, i'm pretty sure there was a pic of an orange LM floating around.
Well, that looks like copper/red to me.  Anyway, the LM has different front and rear clips, wheels, and a wing:

(http://www.automotoportal.com/media/images/vijesti/060824002.6_mn.jpg)
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: heelntoe on April 30, 2007, 03:55:55 PM
oops, you're right, i was thinking of something else.
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: 280Z Turbo on April 30, 2007, 03:59:50 PM
McLaren F1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wq54zDv8Z84
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: ro51092 on April 30, 2007, 04:51:36 PM
McLaren.
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: MX793 on April 30, 2007, 05:09:19 PM
Mclaren.  The F1 was the total package, designed for use in competition on the track where speed and handling were both priorities.  The Veyron is a novelty act.
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: S204STi on April 30, 2007, 05:18:27 PM
McLaren!  Timeless design and shape, stands the test of time, and it takes a car with nearly 1000bhp to outrun it.
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: LonghornTX on April 30, 2007, 05:26:01 PM
Veyron for me.  It looks better, is quicker by a significant margin, and would likely be a better investment long-term.  Plus, Gordon Murray is a prick IMO  :P.

If I wanted a race car for the streets, I would get an S7  :ohyeah:.
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: 850CSi on April 30, 2007, 05:26:43 PM
I wouldn't be caught dead in a Veyron.
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: TheIntrepid on April 30, 2007, 05:28:43 PM
Quote from: 850CSi on April 30, 2007, 05:26:43 PM
I wouldn't be caught dead in a Veyron.

For argument's sake, what would you do if given a free one?
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: TheIntrepid on April 30, 2007, 05:28:58 PM
Selling it is not an option :nono:
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: 850CSi on April 30, 2007, 06:03:25 PM
Quote from: TheIntrepid on April 30, 2007, 05:28:58 PM
Selling it is not an option :nono:

Sell it.
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: CMan on April 30, 2007, 06:15:07 PM
Quote from: 850CSi on April 30, 2007, 06:03:25 PM
Sell it.

+1. I'd use the $1.5 mil to buy like, 100 other cars
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: sandertheshark on April 30, 2007, 06:19:54 PM
Quote from: CMan on April 30, 2007, 06:15:07 PM
+1. I'd use the $1.5 mil to buy like, 100 other cars
+2, except I'd only by 10 other cars.
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: the Teuton on May 01, 2007, 12:40:12 AM
I'd take the McLaren, and while I don't really like the Veyron, I'd probably show it off for a few days before selling it.
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: Payman on May 01, 2007, 05:12:43 AM
Quote from: LonghornTX on April 30, 2007, 05:26:01 PM
Veyron for me.? It looks better, is quicker by a significant margin, and would likely be a better investment long-term.? Plus, Gordon Murray is a prick IMO? :P.

If I wanted a race car for the streets, I would get an S7? :ohyeah:.

The McLaren has/always will look better, is not quicker by much, only 64 McLarens built and are revered by enthusiasts... will appreciate in value moreso than the Veyron, and Gordon Murray is God.
S7??? Unsophisticated V8 lump of ugly carbon fiber.

Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: Tave on May 01, 2007, 07:54:33 AM
McLaren, duh.

You can't fit two smoking hot little bitties in the Veyron can you?
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: SVT666 on May 01, 2007, 07:56:03 AM
Quote from: sandertheshark on April 30, 2007, 06:19:54 PM
+2, except I'd only by 10 other cars.
+3, except I would buy a McLaren. :ohyeah:
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: JYODER240 on May 01, 2007, 07:58:05 AM
Not even a choice, i'll take the McLaren. I despise the Veyron even though I would sell a kidney to get to drive one.

Isn't the S7 TT Competition faster than the Veyron??
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: SVT666 on May 01, 2007, 08:00:57 AM
Quote from: Payman on May 01, 2007, 05:12:43 AM
The McLaren has/always will look better, is not quicker by much, only 64 100 McLarens built and are revered by enthusiasts... will appreciate in value moreso than the Veyron, and Gordon Murray is God.
Hell yeah he is. :rockon:? When cars you design get banned by F1 because they are so much faster then the rest of the field....you're a God!

QuoteS7??? Unsophisticated V8 lump of ugly carbon fiber.
Bite me.? The S7 rocks!
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: chevyguy06 on May 01, 2007, 09:26:22 AM
McLaren
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: Nethead on May 01, 2007, 09:51:16 AM
One of the Beatles own--or owned, if it was Lennon or Harrison--a McLaren.  'Seems like it was McCartney--Lennon & Harrison don't seem like dudes who would care that much.  If it was McCartney, Heather Mills probably owns it now... :(
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: SVT666 on May 01, 2007, 09:54:27 AM
Quote from: Nethead on May 01, 2007, 09:51:16 AM
One of the Beatles own--or owned, if it was Lennon or Harrison--a McLaren.? 'Seems like it was McCartney--Lennon & Harrison don't seem like dudes who would care that much.? If it was McCartney, Heather Mills probably owns it now... :(
I know Mr. Bean totalled one and then bought another.
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: J86 on May 01, 2007, 10:00:04 AM
Mclaren, although, unlike most people here, i think  the veyron is cool
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: Nethead on May 01, 2007, 10:00:28 AM
JYODER240:  "Isn't the S7 TT Competition faster than the Veyron??"
YoDude, the proven production car speed record of 252 MPH is held by the Veyron--several others claim they're faster, but so far none of them have had the cojones to take their hardware to the instrumented test track at Nardo, Italy and put their right feet where their mouths are. 

Talk is cheap.  The production car speed record is not.  Look at the price tags of the last three proven fastest production cars in the world:  the Bugatti Veyron, the Koenigsegg CCR, and the McLaren F1.  The Nethead here does not know what car held the record before the McLaren F1--some model of Lamborghini?  A Countach, perhaps?  Post it if you know it.
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: SVT666 on May 01, 2007, 10:04:07 AM
Quote from: Nethead on May 01, 2007, 10:00:28 AM
JYODER240:? "Isn't the S7 TT Competition faster than the Veyron??"
YoDude, the proven production car speed record of 252 MPH is held by the Veyron--several others claim they're faster, but so far none of them have had the cojones to take their hardware to the instrumented test track at Nardo, Italy and put their right feet where their mouths are.?

Talk is cheap.? The production car speed record is not.? Look at the price tags of the last three proven fastest production cars in the world:? the Bugatti Veyron, the Koenigsegg CCR, and the McLaren F1.? The Nethead here does not know what car held the record before the McLaren F1--some model of Lamborghini?? A Countach, perhaps?? Post it if you know it.
The Diablo held the record after the Countach, and the Jaguar XJ220 held it somewhere in there as well.
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: SaltyDog on May 01, 2007, 10:37:25 AM
The Veyron is like the Hummer H2 of exotics.  Mclaren for me.
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: The Pirate on May 01, 2007, 10:38:18 AM
McLaren
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: omicron on May 01, 2007, 10:45:40 AM
Veyron, but only because it looks far, far more modern than the McLaren, and I would never buy a car this fast for track fun.
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: Nethead on May 01, 2007, 11:15:47 AM
Quote from: HEMI666 on May 01, 2007, 10:04:07 AM
The Diablo held the record after the Countach, and the Jaguar XJ220 held it somewhere in there as well.

HemiDude (There, is that better? :praise:), this sounds correct--I knew the Diablo was supposedly faster than the Countach, but I did not know if McLaren had set the record before the Diablo was introduced.  Also, I sorta remember that the XJ220 held the record once upon a time, but then there was this controversy about the XJ220 only having a twin-turbo V6 instead of the concept's V12 which made me wonder if it was a true production streetcar XJ220 that set the record.  Do you know what year the XJ220 set the record?  What I'm trying to figure out is whether the Cobra 427--which held the record for a year or two in the mid-'Sixties--was the last car under $100,000 to hold the title of the world's fastest production car.  Some dudes over in the old AutoWeek forums researched old fastest production car records and found that the Cobra 427 was the last pushrod-engined vehicle to hold the title of world's fastest production car, but I don't know what vehicle came next.
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: SVT666 on May 01, 2007, 11:44:47 AM
Quote from: Nethead on May 01, 2007, 11:15:47 AM
HemiDude (There, is that better? :praise:), this sounds correct--I knew the Diablo was supposedly faster than the Countach, but I did not know if McLaren had set the record before the Diablo was introduced.? Also, I sorta remember that the XJ220 held the record once upon a time, but then there was this controversy about the XJ220 only having a twin-turbo V6 instead of the concept's V12 which made me wonder if it was a true production streetcar XJ220 that set the record.? Do you know what year the XJ220 set the record?? What I'm trying to figure out is whether the Cobra 427--which held the record for a year or two in the mid-'Sixties--was the last car under $100,000 to hold the title of the world's fastest production car.? Some dudes over in the old AutoWeek forums researched old fastest production car records and found that the Cobra 427 was the last pushrod-engined vehicle to hold the title of world's fastest production car, but I don't know what vehicle came next.
The Diablo was introduced in 1990 and the McLaren F1 was introduced in 1994.  The Diablo had a top speed of 202 mph and the McLaren was 242 (although 231 at Nardo).
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: Lebowski on May 01, 2007, 05:11:49 PM
Quote from: HEMI666 on May 01, 2007, 10:04:07 AM
The Diablo held the record after the Countach, and the Jaguar XJ220 held it somewhere in there as well.

You said it before I could, I believe it was the XJ220 that held the record just before the McLaren, w/ a top speed of 212mph.


Oh and I'd take a McLaren over the Veyron and never look back.
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: nickdrinkwater on May 01, 2007, 06:01:24 PM
Quote from: Raza  on April 30, 2007, 03:33:13 PM
I'm going to guess about 3 votes for the Veyron.  Trep, Drinkwater, and at least one wildcard.

:nono:  Although I like the Veyron, I'd voted for the F1.  They're both amazing technical achievements, but I think the F1 managed it will less resources.  When I saw an F1 in a dealer I was more excited than when I stumbled on a Veyron, although both have the 'wow' factor.

Plus the F1 is British  :lol:
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: TheIntrepid on May 01, 2007, 06:09:38 PM
DRINKWATER!!! DISGRACE!!!!

:mask:
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: 565 on May 06, 2007, 11:32:27 AM
AHHHHH what have you started with this first post Hemi666?

You should demand royalties from all those imposter threads.
Title: Re: Then vs. Now
Post by: SVT666 on May 06, 2007, 11:35:08 AM
Quote from: 565 on May 06, 2007, 11:32:27 AM
AHHHHH what have you started with this first post Hemi666?

You should demand royalties from all those imposter threads.
I'm sorry.  It was a really slow couple of days on CarSPIN and I wanted to liven things up a little.  I guess it worked...too well. :mask: