2020 Volkswagen Golf Mk8 Fully Revealed In Official Images
Volkswagen's countdown clock for the unveiling of the all-new, eighth generation Golf just went to zero, as a full-blown gallery has been unleashed on the internet.
The pictures were posted by Motor Elpais, and they show the car in its entirety. The end result is pretty handsome and this shouldn't be too surprising as spy photographers have caught undisguised prototypes in the past.
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The front end is instantly recognizable, but designers have made a handful of changes. The headlights are all-new and feature a slimmer design as well as stylish daytime running lights. In between, is a revised grille that appears smaller than before and features a prominent Volkswagen logo.
Further below, we can see a wide central air intake with body-color and chrome accents. The model has also been equipped with a new hood which is more shapely than its predecessor.
The evolutionary design continues aft of the A-pillar as the 2020 Golf adopts sleeker bodywork and a more pronounced shoulder line. The model also has a dynamic character line which now cuts through the door handles. The greenhouse also appears sportier than before and the prominent C-pillar carries over.
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Out back, the Golf 8 has a new liftgate that features revised lighting units and a more rakish rear window. Elsewhere, we can see an evolutionary bumper and a faux dual exhaust system.
The Golf GTE features a slightly different design as the plug-in hybrid has a sportier front fascia with a honeycomb mesh insert. There's also a charging port on the front fender as well as aerodynamic side skirts.
A number of the styling cues are shared with the Golf R Line which also has black trim around the front air intake. However, it eschews the honeycomb mesh insert for black triangular accents. The model also has a sportier rear end and what appears to be a proper exhaust system.
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While the exterior styling is pretty evolutionary, bigger changes occur inside the cabin. Drivers side behind a new steering wheel and find themselves looking at a digital instrument cluster and a more modern, free-standing infotainment system.
The dashboard is also new and it features a stepped design with an illuminated accent on the passenger side. We can also see slender air vents, metallic accents and new switchgear.
Full details will be released tomorrow, but the car reportedly measures 168.5 inches (428 cm) long and 57.5 inches (146 cm) tall. The wheelbase is also said to span 111.8 inches (284 cm). The latter figure would be a significant increase as the Golf 7 has a wheelbase of 103.8 inches (264 cm).
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An assortment of different engines will be available and choices are slated to include a 1.0-liter three-cylinder as well as 1.5- and 2.0-liter four-cylinders. We can also expect a 1.5-liter CNG unit as well as an assortment of 2.0-liter diesels.
On the eco-friendly side of the equation, the e-Golf has reportedly been dropped to make room for the ID.3. Despite this, there will be another GTE plug-in hybrid which uses a petrol engine and an electric motor.
Later on the company will introduce an assortment of other models. A GTI variant is due next year with a turbocharged 2.0-liter four-cylinder engine producing 232 hp (173 kW / 235 PS). It will reportedly be followed by a Golf GTI Cup with 286 hp (213 kW / 290 PS) and a Golf R with 325 hp (245 kW / 330 PS).
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Link: https://www.carscoops.com/2019/10/2020-volkswagen-golf-mk8-this-is-it-fully-revealed-in-official-images/
In b4 everyone says it's "boring" because it doesn't have 374 creases and body lines.
Nice looking car. Subtle styling lasts.
Whack.
Will really have to see how they implement infotainment controls before I completely write it off
MyLincoln Touch or whatever the fuck is in wifey's car is awful, BUT you can control the radio and basic HVAC shit through the wheel/dash screens. If the only way to deal with HVAC is through a touch screen VW goofed big time. It's amazing that the more advanced tech gets the WORSE interfaces get. :facepalm: This has mega showroom appeal but I'm skeptical as hell about its ease of use while actually driving.
As for the design... it's a Golf. We are supposedly only getting the GTI/R, which is kind of cool. I hope they give it a more baby friendly back seat.
Happy to see that manual shifter, and that it sits nice and high in the console. Very mature and handsome design overall, inside and out.
Boring. Needs a bigger grille. Too much tire sidewall. Nobody can drive a manual transmission. Too much cargo space. The only good part is the electronic parking brake.
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Is it me or is that a weird looking shifter?
Anyways, overall it definitely looks like a Golf. :lol:
It's a Golf. Exactly what all of us expected, and that's a great thing. Wouldn't surprise me if my next car were a Golf R. I miss my GTI
Looks great.
Is the ENTIRE HVAC on the screen? New outback at least has defrost buttons and temperature buttons for both sides as physical buttons (then a big portion of the screen permanently showing HVAC controls).
If all HVAC controls are on the screen and buried in a menu, that's going to be a disaster.
Quote from: MrH on October 24, 2019, 09:26:42 AM
Is the ENTIRE HVAC on the screen? New outback at least has defrost buttons and temperature buttons for both sides as physical buttons (then a big portion of the screen permanently showing HVAC controls).
If all HVAC controls are on the screen and buried in a menu, that's going to be a disaster.
Welcome to just one of many reasons new cars are awful and humans can't drive themselves.
Not a fan of the frumpy front end, but I might get used to that. Otherwise a handsome car. Surprised the light bar across the front is in production. I guess regulations must have changed.
Quote from: MrH on October 24, 2019, 09:26:42 AM
Is the ENTIRE HVAC on the screen? New outback at least has defrost buttons and temperature buttons for both sides as physical buttons (then a big portion of the screen permanently showing HVAC controls).
If all HVAC controls are on the screen and buried in a menu, that's going to be a disaster.
Yeah, that bothers me as well.
Actually, on second glance it looks like there are physical buttons.
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Front end kinda looks like a Chevy Cruze.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 24, 2019, 08:19:49 AM
Boring. Needs a bigger grille. Too much tire sidewall. Nobody can drive a manual transmission. Too much cargo space. The only good part is the electronic parking brake.
The Electronic Parking Brake has been available on VW since 2005 with the introduction of the B6 Passat
Quote from: AltinD on October 24, 2019, 02:08:39 PM
The Electronic Parking Brake has been available on VW since 2005 with the introduction of the B6 Passat
Yeah, and I hate it. I hate hate hate hate electronic parking brakes. I will never own a car with one. Never ever ever ever.
And why so? Do you hand-brake-turns on hourly basis?
Quote from: AltinD on October 24, 2019, 02:12:05 PM
And why so? Do you hand-brake-turns on hourly basis?
No, but it's a nice safety feature to have.
Electronic brakes are needlessly complex and expensive to service.
I'm pretty sure my Bolt's electric handbrake just presses the real brakes down a little bit. The pedal depresses when you use it.
It has an understated handsomeness to it. Clean lines, good proportions, functional shape, yet doesn't look like it completely abandoned form for function. Not a huge departure from the MkVII. A little sportier in some of the details.
HVAC in the infotainment is no bueno, though. Those of us in cold climates who wear gloves when we drive do not appreciate having to remove our gloves to switch on the defrost in the morning.
Quote from: MX793 on October 24, 2019, 07:38:58 PM
It has an understated handsomeness to it. Clean lines, good proportions, functional shape, yet doesn't look like it completely abandoned form for function. Not a huge departure from the MkVII. A little sportier in some of the details.
HVAC in the infotainment is no bueno, though. Those of us in cold climates who wear gloves when we drive do not appreciate having to remove our gloves to switch on the defrost in the morning.
Part of me wants to say they could implement some IFTTT stuff to defrost automatically. If AND(exterior temp below freezing + moisture detected on windscreen) then run defrost mode
Seems easy enough to automate
Galaxy is right, the A/C controls appear to be physical buttons below the digital touch screen. I've heard from other sources that the new Golf has voice control (like the MBUX system) which means you could also order the computer to turn on the A/C, heating, switch to a specific radio station etc.
2020 VW Golf: Here Are All The Details, From Design To Engines And Tech, Plus 88 Images
The brand new Volkswagen Golf is officially here, with the German carmaker finally sharing all the specs and images we've been waiting for, following a live unveiling event in Wolfsburg.
Unlike any other Golf before it, the Mk8 will be available in no fewer than five hybrid drive iterations, two of which will be plug-in hybrids, each with a new 13 kWh lithium-ion battery that allows for 60 km (37 miles) of zero emissions driving.
Before we get into its specs, let's talk design and measurements. The all-new Golf is 4,284 mm (168.6 inches) long, 1,789 mm (70.4 inches) wide and 1,456 mm (57.3 inches) tall, with a wheelbase of 2,636 mm (103.7 inches). Compared to the Mk7, the new model is a little bit longer and shorter, with a slightly larger wheelbase.
The body also doesn't just look sharper, it literally is, lowering the end face to 2.21 m2 and the drag coefficient to 0.275. Overall though, there's no mistaking the Mk8 for anything other than a Golf, and if you've been following VW's design exploits as of late, you probably won't be surprised by any of this model's visuals.
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More to see, more to do
The interior on the other hand is probably more exciting than the exterior, since it features so many novelties. For starters, it's all about living in the digital age. Buyers can now enjoy an optional head-up display on their Golf, as well as internet connectivity where the car's standard OCU (Online Connectivity Unit) comes with integrated eSIM links, We Connect and We Connect Plus functions and services.
According to VW, the new Golf will be setting new benchmarks in its class in terms of assisted driving functions. Its Travel Assist feature for example makes assisted driving possible on highways up to speeds of 210 km/h (130 mph), without the driver having to actively steer, accelerate or brake.
The 2020 Golf is also the first VW model to connect to its environment as standard. Here, you have the Car2X functionality which receives information from other vehicles within a radius of up to 800 meters (875 yards), plus signals from the traffic infrastructure to warn drivers – in turn, this information can be rerouted to other Car2X-equipped models.
Furthermore, the Golf's new IQ Light LED matrix headlights will provide additional safety thanks to their partly interactive light functions. Other driver assist features include ACC with predictive speed detection, Front Assist, Oncoming vehicle braking when turning, and in a sense, DCC adaptive chassis control too.
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What do I get as standard?
All Golfs come with the following goodies at no extra price: LED headlights and LED taillights, Keyless Start, digital instruments and an 8.25-inch infotainment display, We Connect and We Connect Plus, multi-function steering wheel, Climatronic (automatic air conditioning), Lane Assist lane-keeping, a new turn-off assist, Front Assist, predictive pedestrian protection and the previously-mentioned Car2X tech.
Life spec models offer 16-inch alloy wheels, exterior background lighting (including logo projection onto the ground), an interface to charge smartphones, wireless mobile phone integration, interior background lighting in 10 colors, center armrest at the front, ParkPilot parking aid and City Light. Opt instead for a Style model and you gain 17-inch alloys, additional chrome trim, sports seats, 32 colors for the ambient lighting, LED headlights with cornering light, poor weather light, LED taillight clusters with dynamic turn signal, Travel Assist and Lane Assist.
Then there's the R-Line with its 17-inch Sebring alloys, R-Line bumpers, high-gloss black sill trims, rear diffuser, premium sports seats, driving mode selection, black headliner, aluminum gear knob, perforated leather for the steering wheel and more.
Last but not least is the GTE hybrid version, which comes with illuminated strips in the radiator grille, GTE-specific bumpers, special 17-inch alloys, red brake calipers, GTE roof spoiler and wider side sill panels. Inside, there are sports seats, a pulsating starter button, stainless steel pedals and 30 available colors for the ambient light system.
The best you can do in terms of the displays is go for the two optional 10-inch infotainment systems, which in conjunction with a large Discover Pro navigation system create the Innovision Cockpit. If that's not enough, adding the 400-watt Harman Kardon sound system will probably do it – as in, create a more premium atmosphere.
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Let's talk performance
All of the new Golf's gasoline and diesel engines are turbocharged direct injection units, with outputs ranging from 90 PS (88 HP) to 300 PS (295 HP), eventually. Meanwhile, a new 6-speed manual gearbox has been developed for front-wheel drive models, further cutting CO2 emissions.
The gasoline-powered TSI units are available in four output stages during this initial launch phase. They generate 90 PS (88 HP), 110 PS (108 HP), 130 PS (128 HP) and 150 PS (148 HP) respectively. The 90 PS and 110 PS engines are 1.0-liter three-cylinder units, while the 130 PS and 150 PS ones are 1.5-liter engines.
"From an output of 110 PS, they will also be configurable as a mild hybrid drive (eTSI) with 48-V system and dual clutch gearbox. Three 2.0-litre TSI engines for the Golf GTI, Golf GTI TCR and Golf R as well as a 1.5-litre TGI suitable for operation with natural gas (CNG) and petrol will be launched at a later point."
The Golf Mk8's 2.0-liter TDI diesel engines have been developed from scratch, and generate 115 PS (113 HP) and 150 PS (148 HP). Both can be had with either a manual gearbox or a DSG automatic, while the 150 PS model can also be had with 4MOTION all-wheel drive. A performance-oriented TDI variant will eventually arrive as the all-new Golf GTD.
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Mild hybrid and plug-in hybrid
The eTSI mild hybrid drives of the Golf are complete novelties, featuring a 48-V belt starter generator, a 48-V lithium-ion battery and the latest TSI engines. These variants are exclusively available with a 7-speed DSG automatic and produce 110 PS (108 HP), 130 PS (128 HP) and 150 PS (148 HP).
As for the eHybrid range, you can get one with 204 PS (201 HP) or the GTE version, which puts down 245 PS (241 HP) thanks to a 1.4-liter TSI engine, an electric drive motor and a 13 kWh lithium-ion battery.
The new Golf will first arrive in European dealerships this December.
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Link: https://www.carscoops.com/2019/10/2020-vw-golf-here-are-all-the-details-from-design-to-engines-and-tech-plus-88-images/
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 25, 2019, 07:18:19 AM
Part of me wants to say they could implement some IFTTT stuff to defrost automatically. If AND(exterior temp below freezing + moisture detected on windscreen) then run defrost mode
Seems easy enough to automate
Considering VW couldn't make a normal defrost system work without regularly blowing fuses (common problem on MkV Jettas, including mine), not sure I'd trust them to come up with a reliable "smart" defrost system.
Quote from: MX793 on October 25, 2019, 07:36:46 AM
Considering VW couldn't make a normal defrost system work without regularly blowing fuses (common problem on MkV Jettas, including mine), not sure I'd trust them to come up with a reliable "smart" defrost system.
If the fuse keeps blowing, then it just needs a bigger fuse. Simple logic. :huh:
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 25, 2019, 07:38:43 AM
If the fuse keeps blowing, then it just needs a bigger fuse. Simple logic. :huh:
I upsized the fuse, per recommendations on the MkV forums. Still blew fuses left and right. Didn't dare go bigger for fear of the wire harness burning up.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on October 25, 2019, 07:24:12 AM
I've heard from other sources that the new Golf has voice control (like the MBUX system) which means you could also order the computer to turn on the A/C, heating, switch to a specific radio station etc.
My problem with voice command is the delay, plus with other people in the car you have to ask everyone to stop talking to make a change, and wait for the right moment to tell them to stop talking, since it would be rude to interrupt them in the middle of a thought.
Quote from: MX793 on October 25, 2019, 07:44:53 AM
I upsized the fuse, per recommendations on the MkV forums. Still blew fuses left and right. Didn't dare go bigger for fear of the wire harness burning up.
Well, then :lol:
Then it should take an automatic reset circuit breaker, to save on fuses.
Quote from: Galaxy on October 25, 2019, 08:02:24 AM
My problem with voice command is the delay, plus with other people in the car you have to ask everyone to stop talking to make a change, and wait for the right moment to tell them to stop talking, since it would be rude to interrupt them in the middle of a thought.
It's not that big of a deal. I mean the "slight delay" isn't a problem in my experience (MBUX in my A250). If people are riding with me, I will only engage the system when everyone is quiet. Even so, I've found that the system will still recognize my desires despite background noise. Where my sunvisors are, on both sides, there is a visible microphone, so it will hear my commands at all times.
And even though some reviews like to make fun of MBUX in that it will always respond when the word "Mercedes" is mentioned, the reality is that it will only respond when you say "Hey Mercedes/Mercedes" in a louder tone, at least in my car. ;)
Can't wait for the first reviews of the VW "MBUX" system.
Is the center light bar an optional thing?
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 25, 2019, 09:24:31 AM
Is the center light bar an optional thing?
On the GTE? It seems like it's exclusive to that model to highlight the EV/plug-in hybrid function.
OMG car mesh networking is finally coming. Fantastic.
The drag coefficient is amazingly low, but it seems to have come at the cost of the Golf's boxy and airy character.
Quote from: Laconian on October 25, 2019, 10:44:27 AM
OMG car mesh networking is finally coming. Fantastic.
The drag coefficient is amazingly low, but it seems to have come at the cost of the Golf's boxy and airy character.
I will take low drag over styling all day, every day.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on October 25, 2019, 07:24:12 AM
Galaxy is right, the A/C controls appear to be physical buttons below the digital touch screen. I've heard from other sources that the new Golf has voice control (like the MBUX system) which means you could also order the computer to turn on the A/C, heating, switch to a specific radio station etc.
That should work well with a screaming baby, or a loud road, or laryngitis
Infotainment based hvac is the answer to the question nobody asked for or needed
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 25, 2019, 10:50:42 AM
I will take low drag over styling all day, every day.
You feel the boxiness on the inside too. Golfs feel nice and airy, with great outward visibility.
I'll take a lower coefficient of drag too, personally. Less wind noise and better c0asting performance.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 25, 2019, 09:24:31 AM
Is the center light bar an optional thing?
It does seem to be only on some models/packages, since it is not on every car.
Quote from: MX793 on October 24, 2019, 07:38:58 PM
It has an understated handsomeness to it. Clean lines, good proportions, functional shape, yet doesn't look like it completely abandoned form for function. Not a huge departure from the MkVII. A little sportier in some of the details.
HVAC in the infotainment is no bueno, though. Those of us in cold climates who wear gloves when we drive do not appreciate having to remove our gloves to switch on the defrost in the morning.
Looks like there's physical defrost buttons to the left of the steering wheel.
Quote from: r0tor on October 25, 2019, 11:00:18 AM
Infotainment based hvac is the answer to the question nobody asked for or needed
Maximum showroom appeal for the screen addicted car buying public.
As long as the Golf R retains a real manual, I can easily see this being my next car. I really like the MkVII Golf R, but I'm hoping the VIII has a manual and a sunroof and I'll buy it. Even if it doesn't have a sunroof, I'll deal with it. But no manual and I'm out.
This is a war you are choosing to lose
Cars don't need 3 pedals to be fun.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 29, 2019, 06:40:14 PM
This is a war you are choosing to lose
Cars don't need 3 pedals to be fun.
Just because you gave up on life doesn't mean the rest of us have to
1 pedal driving is where it's at
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 29, 2019, 06:40:14 PM
This is a war you are choosing to lose
I may be on the losing side. Doesn't mean it's the wrong one.
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Cars don't need 3 pedals to be fun.
Maybe that's true. I've yet to experience an automatic car that was as fun as a comparable car with a manual. But how about I like manuals better? Or is that a problem with you too?
Golf R with a manual is a rather lackluster affair. Dat lag. Turbo motors are mos def better with DCT or 8ZF.
Quote from: 2o6 on October 29, 2019, 08:25:34 PM
Just because you gave up on life doesn't mean the rest of us have to
I'd argue that whittling life down to a 3rd pedal in your car is giving up :lol: I will have a stickshift car again one day.
Quote from: Raza on October 29, 2019, 10:52:23 PM
Maybe that's true. I've yet to experience an automatic car that was as fun as a comparable car with a manual.
Because you have made your mind up that automatic can't be fun. When it comes to cars you are very closed-minded.
Quote from: Raza on October 29, 2019, 10:52:23 PMBut how about I like manuals better? Or is that a problem with you too?
Everyone likes manuals better, except maybe Wimmer. The difference is everyone doesn't whine about their lack of availability at every given opportunity. That's the only thing I have a "problem" with.
Plus while I wouldn't go as far as to say the R is lackluster without the DSG, a case can definitely be made for the DSG over the manual in terms of driving fun.
Quote from: GoCougs on October 30, 2019, 12:59:12 AM
Golf R with a manual is a rather lackluster affair. Dat lag. Turbo motors are mos def better with DCT or 8ZF.
The Honda Civic Type R and I think the Subaru WRX are turbo. I'm sure they could be driven faster with a DCT or other fancy pants automatic but, I think their manual transmissions are well suited to the car.
Not surprisingly I am with Raza on this one. The only reason I am in Golf R (instead of an S3) is because it had a manual.
Is the manual faster? No...I would even say its not a particularly good match to the engine...but I definitely prefer it. I'm not sure what my next car will be...but if available I would assume it will also be a manual.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 30, 2019, 05:04:44 AM
Because you have made your mind up that automatic can't be fun. When it comes to cars you are very closed-minded.
Okay.
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Everyone likes manuals better, except maybe Wimmer. The difference is everyone doesn't whine about their lack of availability at every given opportunity. That's the only thing I have a "problem" with.
The internet is 30% whining, 70% porn. Without whining, this place would become a very confusing porn site.
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Plus while I wouldn't go as far as to say the R is lackluster without the DSG, a case can definitely be made for the DSG over the manual in terms of driving fun.
You can make the case that the Golf R is faster with the DSG and better suited for the track, sure. I don't know if that correlates to driving fun as strongly as you'd think.
It's more fun to drive a slow manual than a fast autotragic, all other things being equal. :shakesfist:
Quote from: Raza on October 30, 2019, 08:44:44 AM
You can make the case that the Golf R is faster with the DSG and better suited for the track, sure. I don't know if that correlates to driving fun as strongly as you'd think.
I didn't say anything about the track :huh: I just think your binary attitude towards manuals is a bit silly. Why fret over the availability of the manual in the Golf R when you can pick up a manual Mitsubishi Mirage? 3 pedals = fun, 2 pedals = bad.
Cool. But he *wants a manual* I don't understand how this is so complicated.
Fair enough
Quote from: 2o6 on October 30, 2019, 11:07:39 AM
Cool. But he *wants a manual* I don't understand how this is so complicated.
Someone on the internet is wrong & needs a correction. Carspin is here to help.
I like my 5 speed manual Crosstrek even though it's geared too low or really needs a 6th gear to keep RPM lower on the highway and improve gas mileage. The newer Crosstrek has a 6 speed although the take rate on the manual Crosstreks is probably in the single digit percentage. Fuel economy is significantly worse on my Crosstrek compared with the automatic. I average 23 mpg.
I like it because it's fun, driving a low hp manual let's you use wide open throttle on local roads without driving like an asshat, l get into interesting conversations about it whenever I give someone a ride, and it's Dad's car. Wife doesn't know how to drive it. No switching seating positions, mirrors, hvac setting, moving lipstick from the center storage, etc. If I had stop and go traffic on the highway to work everyday I'd probably get rid of it because that's super annoying.
Quote from: veeman on October 30, 2019, 05:18:47 AM
The Honda Civic Type R and I think the Subaru WRX are turbo. I'm sure they could be driven faster with a DCT or other fancy pants automatic but, I think their manual transmissions are well suited to the car.
I was referring to lag, not performance necessarily; i.e., the feel of the thing. With a slushie automatic or DCT lag is mitigated to some extent.
The G felt like it had the throttle response of an F1 car after spending time in a M/T Golf R.
Quote from: GoCougs on October 30, 2019, 12:43:17 PM
I was referring to lag, not performance necessarily; i.e., the feel of the thing. With a slushie automatic or DCT lag is mitigated to some extent.
The G felt like it had the throttle response of an F1 car after spending time in a M/T Golf R.
Free, emissions legal anti-lag system: keep your right foot on the floor. Buy shares of your favourite clutch manufacturer.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 30, 2019, 10:27:48 AM
I didn't say anything about the track :huh: I just think your binary attitude towards manuals is a bit silly. Why fret over the availability of the manual in the Golf R when you can pick up a manual Mitsubishi Mirage? 3 pedals = fun, 2 pedals = bad.
You're the one making it a binary, not me. And I even specifically said "comparable car" anticipating your silly Mitsubishi Mirage argument.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 30, 2019, 12:52:21 PM
Free, emissions legal anti-lag system: keep your right foot on the floor. Buy shares of your favourite clutch manufacturer.
F40 has turbo lag. I'm fine with it.
Quote from: Raza on October 30, 2019, 01:45:44 PM
F40 has turbo lag. I'm fine with it.
More than you can afford pal.
Quote from: Raza on October 30, 2019, 01:35:25 PM
You're the one making it a binary, not me. And I even specifically said "comparable car" anticipating your silly Mitsubishi Mirage argument.
To be fair, the Mitsubishi Mirage G4 is a fantastic piece of automotive engineering and craftsmanship.
(https://acroadtrip.blob.core.windows.net/catalogo-imagenes/l/RT_V_8b827952ab7b41a1b8a3c626bb3d2393.jpg)
If the year was 1929, this would be definite nominee for Car of the Week.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 30, 2019, 05:04:44 AM
I'd argue that whittling life down to a 3rd pedal in your car is giving up :lol: I will have a stickshift car again one day.
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Quote from: 2o6 on October 29, 2019, 08:25:34 PM
Just because you gave up on life doesn't mean the rest of us have to
If a MT is the on;y thing making the car fun to drive, than you are driving a crappy car
A lot of boring to drive cars are not bad cars. They're good for other reasons. An MT can make that otherwise boring car, fun.
Especially low hp compact or subcompact type cars. Like most of the world drives outside of a handful of countries.
I bought my prior VW diesel beetle over a Golf because I thought it looked cool. The Golf is a better car in every other way including a better driver. An MT made the otherwise slow diesel Beetle a hoot to drive. Once off the line, mid range grunt with the MT was great. I wouldn't have bought it if it didn't come with an MT.
I've heard (haven't driven) that a Subaru WRX with an automatic isn't that great but the MT completely changes the character of that car. Similar with the BRZ (I've driven both of this car and the automatic was definitely blah compared with the MT).
Quote from: veeman on October 31, 2019, 06:51:07 AM
A lot of boring to drive cars are not bad cars. They're good for other reasons. An MT can make that otherwise boring car, fun.
Especially low hp compact or subcompact type cars. Like most of the world drives outside of a handful of countries.
I bought my prior VW diesel beetle over a Golf because I thought it looked cool. The Golf is a better car in every other way including a better driver. An MT made the otherwise slow diesel Beetle a hoot to drive. Once off the line, mid range grunt with the MT was great. I wouldn't have bought it if it didn't come with an MT.
I've heard (haven't driven) that a Subaru WRX with an automatic isn't that great but the MT completely changes the character of that car. Similar with the BRZ (I've driven both of this car and the automatic was definitely blah compared with the MT).
Stop making sense. This is an argument about nonsense.
Along the same lines, when I rented an automatic Corvette, I thought the transmission basically ruined the character and fun potential of the car, and made it frustrating to drive in all situations except for stop-n-go traffic.
An 82-year-old acquaintance of mine has a Volkswagen Golf Cabriolet with a 6-speed manual transmission. She has recently developed eyesight issues and was involved in a small accident with her car and these two experiences have put her off driving, especially with all of these stupid teenagers aimlessly and recklessly cruising around on E-Scooters.
So I do her driving for her with her car if she needs to go somewhere, does some shopping etc.
Is it fun to drive? Sure, shifting gears is involving and adds another dimension to driving, but for me it's not the only thing which makes a car fun to drive. And I've said it before - there are some really shitty manual transmissions out there which ruin any semblance of fun which a car may have had. Remember that BMW 118i F20 I had over at my place for a week? The manual was so awful and the car felt rather bland to drive - despite being RWD. Or that Audi Q2 30 TDI I had over earlier this year - the manual was actually ok, but the gear ratios were so low that in order to reach 100 km/h you had to shift into 3rd or 4th gear. I felt that that car would have driven and accelerated so much better with VWAG's excellent DSG transmission.
I like manuals but it's not the major factor in if I am going to buy a car or not. Plus, driving a manual is ANNOYING as hell in Munich stop-and-go traffic and on the heavily congested surrounding Autobahns and roads. There are other ways of having fun in a car - the power, the way the power and torque are built up, the handling, the way the steering wheel communicates what the front wheels are doing etc. etc. etc.
Her car: https://www.carspin.club/index.php?topic=35127.0
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Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 30, 2019, 01:55:38 PM
To be fair, the Mitsubishi Mirage G4 is a fantastic piece of automotive engineering and craftsmanship.
If the year was 1929, this would be definite nominee for Car of the Week.
In the 1990s that might be considered. Plus, considering they were selling these for $5000, you really could not go wrong with them as a basic means of transportation.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on October 31, 2019, 09:50:22 AM
So I do her driving for her with her car if she needs to go somewhere, does some shopping etc.
Awe. Thats sweet of you.
I love love love driving Scrappy except for stop and go traffic, which is a complete drag.
I would love to have an Electric for just zip cruising when I'm just not in a 3rd pedal mood- I imagine that pure torque magic would be pretty fun.
But also size has a lot to do with it, Scrappy is expert at cutting through traffic I just wouldn't do with Odyssey. I know I can punch it and grab a gap without inconveniencing others. If I did the same in Odyssey, it would be a few second wait while the transmission figures out what I want to do and finally go.
GTI render...
(https://images.carscoops.com/2019/10/38de2e1a-2021-vw-golf-gti-render-1.jpg)
So, here is the Skoda Version of the Golf 8. The Octavia IV. It looks more conservative, which might appeal more to some.
(https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/kJq94/s1/skoda-octavia-2020.jpg)
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It has mostly the same diesel, gasoline, CNG, mild hybrid, and plug in hybrid versions are the Golf.
That looks so much better than our POS Jetta
Man I couldn't believe how ugly the GLI was in person. It looks like a Chinese Golf with a trunk
For those who think the Golf 8 - and the Skoda Octavia - are to boring, the Spanish version should turn out to be more appealing, if these teasers are in indication.
(https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Seat-Leon-Teaser-169FullWidth-a5bffc68-1657946.jpg)
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Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 12, 2019, 05:17:30 AM
That looks so much better than our POS Jetta
Man I couldn't believe how ugly the GLI was in person. It looks like a Chinese Golf with a trunk
Probably because it is a Chinese Golf with a trunk. The Jetta is only sold in China and the Americas.
The local Volkswagen dealership is across from my fueling station of choice in Munich and already has the new Golf in the showroom - in lime green. I've driven past it at night - twice - and saw it inside, however I was too lazy to stop my car, get out and take some pics. Will perhaps do so when I am back in Munich.
Initial quick glance impression - looks pretty neat.
The Spanish Golf 8.
(https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/1-2020-Seat-Leon-2020-169FullWidth-ce1cf876-1664272.jpg)
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Some snapshots I took today of the new Golf at the local dealer. Very nice.
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Well set up dash.
Nice wheels.
(https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/VW-Golf-8-GTI-GTE-GTD-169FullWidth-3784331f-1673750.jpg)
GTD GTI, and GTE
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Kind of like the pattern on the seats. Breaks up the acres of grey.
No surprises which is a great thing.
Should add you can get the GTI with a manual.
Those wheels are turrrrrrible.
Quote from: MrH on February 27, 2020, 07:14:50 AM
Those wheels are turrrrrrible.
Seriously, I think it ruins the whole car. Put some MKV wheels on this thing or something.
Remove a spoke, and you'd have a :mask::mask::mask:
Quote from: Laconian on February 27, 2020, 09:32:18 AM
Remove a spoke, and you'd have a :mask::mask::mask:
:lol:
The Audi Version. I hate the AC vents around the instrument cluster.
(https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Audi-A3-Premiere-Genf-2020-169FullWidth-2dea480c-1673892.jpg)
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Like the vents. Hate the instruments.
Vent placement seems weird. I am not a fan of having vents blowing right on me.
Quote from: SJ_GTI on March 04, 2020, 07:26:26 AM
Vent placement seems weird. I am not a fan of having vents blowing right on me.
What if every vent was like a Dyson Airblade? Precision air stream. Blow your eyes right out of your face.
Quote from: SJ_GTI on March 04, 2020, 07:26:26 AM
Vent placement seems weird. I am not a fan of having vents blowing right on me.
Gotta air condition your eyeballs every time you check your speed.
Quote from: Galaxy on March 03, 2020, 09:58:35 PM
The Audi Version. I hate the AC vents around the instrument cluster.
(https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Audi-A3-Premiere-Genf-2020-169FullWidth-2dea480c-1673892.jpg)
(https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Audi-A3-Premiere-Genf-2020-169FullWidth-8ba2f99b-1673893.jpg)
(https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Audi-A3-Premiere-Genf-2020-169FullWidth-54683c9a-1673895.jpg)
(https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Audi-A3-Premiere-Genf-2020-169FullWidth-424c97db-1673897.jpg)
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Oh, I really like that.
The interior has a kind of quirky 80's German vibe to it. It's really quite nice.
That A3....in RS3 form :mask: OH LAWD
Quote from: MrH on March 08, 2020, 03:12:07 PM
That A3....in RS3 form :mask: OH LAWD
Eww, why. It'll just be expensive, cramped, and an understeering mess not deserving of its engine.