Um, Elon, this shit is normal here! Simple crap takes decades to be decided here. Welcome to Germany. You picked the right place. Highest electricity prices in Europe, highest tax load in the world, crumbling infrastructure and a possible car-hating Green-Red-Red (Eco terrorist, socialist and communist) government at the end of September this year. Plus a CO2-tax which is about to explode and rape everybody even more financially.
What kind of weirdo invests in Germany these days?
Elon Musk Points The Finger To German Bureaucracy For Berlin Gigafactory Delays
Elon Musk appeared critical of Germany's bureaucracy during a visit to Tesla's European Gigafactory in Berlin.
Tesla faces delays in the construction of its German Gigafactory, pushing back its opening to late 2021 from the original July 1 deadline. These delays were caused by a number of reasons, including lengthy approval processes and Tesla deciding to establish a battery plant on site.
When asked when is Tesla's first Gigafactory in Europe going to start building cars, Musk told Reuters: "It's hard to predict with precision cause you can only make the cars when all of the pieces are here. It looks like we're able to start production end of this year."
Tesla is planning to build the Model Y in its German factory for the European market, as well as the new 4680 'tabless' battery cells. Previous reports said that the EV-maker was having problems with the construction of the battery pack area, while departments like the press shop and paint shop were making great progress.
Germany is known for its complex regulation and bureaucracy, but Musk couldn't hide his frustration about the latter. "I think there could be less bureaucracy, that would be better," he told reporters at the Gruenheide site, adding that rules were "immortal".
"There should be some kind of active process for removal of rules. Otherwise, over time, the rules will just accumulate and you get more and more rules until eventually, you can't do anything," Musk stated.
This isn't the first time Tesla has criticized Germany for its bureaucracy, as the company complained about the lengthy approval processes in a letter sent to a regional court in Berlin last month, saying that "this discourages necessary investments in clean-energy projects and infrastructure and makes it practically impossible for Germany to achieve its climate goals".
Link: https://www.carscoops.com/2021/05/elon-musk-points-the-finger-to-german-bureaucracy-for-berlin-gigafactory-delays/
Governments move slow. Sorry Elon you haven't figured that out.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on May 19, 2021, 08:34:09 PM
Governments move slow. Sorry Elon you haven't figured that out.
Seems that his China plant went up pretty quick...
How Elon Musk Built a Tesla Factory in China in Less Than a Year (https://fortune.com/2020/01/07/elon-musk-tesla-gigafactory-shanghai-china-ceremony/) :huh:
Quote from: FoMoJo on May 19, 2021, 09:07:30 PM
Seems that his China plant went up pretty quick...How Elon Musk Built a Tesla Factory in China in Less Than a Year (https://fortune.com/2020/01/07/elon-musk-tesla-gigafactory-shanghai-china-ceremony/) :huh:
The Chinese government was very eager to get that factory up and running so they could start stealing technology for their own purposes.
Quote from: MX793 on May 19, 2021, 09:12:22 PM
The Chinese government was very eager to get that factory up and running so they could start stealing technology for their own purposes.
Probably.
Quote from: FoMoJo on May 19, 2021, 09:07:30 PM
Seems that his China plant went up pretty quick...How Elon Musk Built a Tesla Factory in China in Less Than a Year (https://fortune.com/2020/01/07/elon-musk-tesla-gigafactory-shanghai-china-ceremony/) :huh:
They don't care about
a- their environment
b- long term effects
c- their population
d- anything except money
e- stealing intellectual property
Elon is in Germany for engineers
Quote from: FoMoJo on May 19, 2021, 09:14:58 PM
Probably.
No question about it.
Its also amazing what can be accomplished when you're willing to forgo all safety and common sense and use basically slave labor to do it.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on May 20, 2021, 05:58:31 AM
No question about it.
Its also amazing what can be accomplished when you're willing to forgo all safety and common sense and use basically slave labor to do it.
It's the risk that corporations take when they trade for cheap labour.
Quote from: MX793 on May 19, 2021, 09:12:22 PM
The Chinese government was very eager to get that factory up and running so they could start stealing technology for their own purposes.
China is all about cultivating that "we get shit done and we do it fast" aura with these sorts of prestige projects. And it works!
Quote from: Laconian on May 20, 2021, 12:11:27 PM
China is all about cultivating that "we get shit done and we do it fast" aura with these sorts of prestige projects. And it works!
They are also all about requiring foreign companies to "partner" with Chinese companies when setting up in China.
Quote from: MX793 on May 20, 2021, 12:21:35 PM
They are also all about requiring foreign companies to "partner" with Chinese companies when setting up in China.
That works for them as well.
Quote from: MX793 on May 20, 2021, 12:21:35 PM
They are also all about requiring foreign companies to "partner" with Chinese companies when setting up in China.
Didn't Tesla get an exemption from that?
Putin just got the OK for a new pipeline into Germany, so fossil fuels aren't dead just yet.
Quote from: shp4man on May 20, 2021, 01:26:47 PM
Putin just got the OK for a new pipeline into Germany, so fossil fuels aren't dead just yet.
Gas or oil?
Quote from: Soup DeVille on May 20, 2021, 02:49:10 PM
:facepalm:
Okay, I looked it up, it's natural gas. Still essential in Germany. Not enough windmills yet.
Surprised he didn't know what he was getting into - Grünheide is only a few minutes from Brandenburg Airport, which is a poster child for this crap.
Also, he was part of the exodus from California - where he had first hand experience of progressive utopias.
Building the factory 35 miles further east would have put him in Poland, where he'd have been welcomed with open arms.
Quote from: Morris Minor on May 20, 2021, 03:39:54 PM
Surprised he didn't know what he was getting into - Grünheide is only a few minutes from Brandenburg Airport, which is a poster child for this crap.
Also, he was part of the exodus from California - where he had first hand experience of progressive utopias.
Building the factory 35 miles further east would have put him in Poland, where he'd have been welcomed with open arms.
Not saying Poles are not competent automakers, but it's Germany that has the stellar reputation...and heritage.
Quote from: FoMoJo on May 20, 2021, 03:49:12 PM
Not saying Poles are not competent automakers, but it's Germany that has the stellar reputation...and heritage.
Musk doesn't follow established automotive engineering practices. German automotive engineers would likely find the environment frustrating to work in.
Quote from: MX793 on May 20, 2021, 04:06:23 PM
Musk doesn't follow established automotive engineering practices. German automotive engineers would likely find the environment frustrating to work in.
Is he going to have one of those Italian aluminium die casting machines installed in the German facility? I would wonder that Germany might want some first hand exposure to it.
Quote from: MX793 on May 20, 2021, 04:06:23 PM
Musk doesn't follow established automotive engineering practices. German automotive engineers would likely find the environment frustrating to work in.
Very much so. Clean sheet, experimentation, failure, mistakes, risk tolerance. Not part of the culture.
Quote from: r0tor on May 20, 2021, 05:54:45 AM
Elon is in Germany for engineers
Which engineers? They're all leaving the country. :lol: j/k
I thought he was building his massive Gigafactory here to supply Europe with the Model 3 and Model Y?
Quote from: cawimmer430 on May 21, 2021, 04:30:27 AM
Which engineers? They're all leaving the country. :lol: j/k
I thought he was building his massive Gigafactory here to supply Europe with the Model 3 and Model Y?
Plus batteries - tabless Li-ion 4680 battery cells that will replace 2170s currently in use.
https://www.torquenews.com/14093/tesla-s-million-mile-battery-tech-could-upgrade-your-tesla-82-kwh-95-kwh