CarSPIN Forums

Auto Talk => The Big Guys => Topic started by: Payman on June 08, 2021, 10:24:43 AM

Title: Ford Maverick
Post by: Payman on June 08, 2021, 10:24:43 AM
So basically, Ford built a small fwd hybrid truck that nobody asked for.

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford/maverick/2022/2022-ford-maverick-compact-pickup-truck-first-look-review/
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Laconian on June 08, 2021, 10:53:21 AM
Looks great for suburban Home Depot trips.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Speed_Racer on June 08, 2021, 10:59:09 AM
IMO it's gonna sell like hotcakes
Plus I disagree - I think this is a huge market opportunity. So many complaints against full & midsizers - they're too big now, too expensive, too tall, too heavy, whatever. This hits the sweet spot of size+efficiency+capability+price for those who could use a truck here and there but don't want to deal with the downsides of a big-boi.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Morris Minor on June 08, 2021, 11:08:33 AM
I agree - these will be a huge seller. I have a friend who has an early-80s Mazda B2000 - beautifully restored. Its economy & small size are great.
Edit - but the Maverick is not that small.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Payman on June 08, 2021, 11:14:02 AM
Eh, it might sell well, but what I meant is those of us that want a small truck didn't ask for a front wheel drive hybrid with CVT. But I guess it's good they're offering this at all. I do prefer the Hyundai Santa Cruz, on paper at least and certainly in photos.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Morris Minor on June 08, 2021, 11:16:59 AM
Good summary here:
https://youtu.be/Rt6lb5iY1VE
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: CaminoRacer on June 08, 2021, 11:18:33 AM
My only problem with this and the Ranger is the styling from 2009.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: RomanChariot on June 08, 2021, 11:21:04 AM
I grew up driving a Ford Courier and I loved it. I think the market is ready for compact trucks to make a return and other than the off-white door and dash panels I think this looks pretty good. The mixture of drivetrains should appeal to a wide audience.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: FoMoJo on June 08, 2021, 12:19:59 PM
Another variation of the Escape platform.  No doubt a handy little truck for suburban households, but I would opt for the Bronco Sport.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: FoMoJo on June 08, 2021, 12:20:49 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on June 08, 2021, 11:18:33 AM
My only problem with this and the Ranger is the styling from 2009.
Original Ranger was, and still is, the best looking of the small pickups, imo.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: GoCougs on June 08, 2021, 12:33:51 PM
Oof, that is not a good looking truck. Though it's enough truck for 90% of truck buyers, nobody will really buy it.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: r0tor on June 08, 2021, 01:10:32 PM
They would be better off just dusting off the tooling from the mid 90s Ranger
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: 12,000 RPM on June 08, 2021, 03:18:32 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on June 08, 2021, 11:14:02 AM
Eh, it might sell well, but what I meant is those of us that want a small truck didn't ask for a front wheel drive hybrid with CVT. But I guess it's good they're offering this at all. I do prefer the Hyundai Santa Cruz, on paper at least and certainly in photos.
Ford knocked it out of the park........... especially considering how most people actually use their trucks

This is a nice thumb in the eye of all the people who cried alligator tears over Ford killing off its sedans too. This is more practical, fuel efficient and frankly market relevant than the Ford Fusion has ever been.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on June 08, 2021, 09:14:59 PM
Quote from: FoMoJo on June 08, 2021, 12:20:49 PM
Original Ranger was, and still is, the best looking of the small pickups, imo.
Syclone........  ;)
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Payman on June 09, 2021, 04:01:25 AM
1981 Toyota SR5 4x4.  :wub:
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: FoMoJo on June 09, 2021, 10:10:38 AM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C7 on June 08, 2021, 09:14:59 PM
Syclone........  ;)
Quote from: Rockraven on June 09, 2021, 04:01:25 AM
1981 Toyota SR5 4x4.  :wub:
(https://i.postimg.cc/L4NJftDQ/GMCSyclone-01-1500.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/5Ny6mXk4/short-bed-1981-toyota-sr5-comes-with-rare-black-and-silver-overalls-152474-7-1.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/4NjNbB9P/d7bc2a1755c8b1d1c57edd4f1243a178.jpg)

:huh:
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: GoCougs on June 09, 2021, 12:56:54 PM
I'd say Marty McFly's '85 SR5 easily walks away with the crown:

(https://www.yotatech.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Toyota-4x48-1.png)

'80s Nissan Hard Body not bad esp. with those wheels and lift:

(https://www.round2corp.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/products-AMT1031-2-500x334.jpg)

Chevy S10 not bad either (dem wheels):
(https://consumerguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/92124161990307.jpg)
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on June 09, 2021, 02:04:02 PM
I had a '87 S10 Blazer with those Big Ass Raised White Loredos!
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Speed_Racer on June 09, 2021, 03:25:29 PM
My brother still owns this, the Mazda B3000. TBH it's an absolute dog. Slow, can't tow, and bad MPGs to top it all off.

(https://i.postimg.cc/sXdTtyq1/20180715-193915.jpg)
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Laconian on June 09, 2021, 03:31:06 PM
Wasn't the 2000 the last Mazder truck?
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: MX793 on June 09, 2021, 03:36:57 PM
Quote from: Speed_Racer on June 09, 2021, 03:25:29 PM
My brother still owns this, the Mazda B3000. TBH it's an absolute dog. Slow, can't tow, and bad MPGs to top it all off.

(https://i.postimg.cc/sXdTtyq1/20180715-193915.jpg)

The Vulcan powered Ranger/B-series offered 4 cylinder power and 8 cylinder fuel economy.  I was not a fan.  Also hated the positioning of the turn signal stalk, which was awkwardly low.  You had to drive with your hand at like 7 or 8 o'clock on the wheel to be able to reach it by just extending you finger from the steering wheel.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Laconian on June 10, 2021, 11:42:39 AM
I want to see a photo of an average height man next to this truck.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: FoMoJo on June 10, 2021, 12:02:37 PM
Quote from: Laconian on June 10, 2021, 11:42:39 AM
I want to see a photo of an average height man next to this truck.
They'd be about the same height, giver or take an inch or so.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: MX793 on June 10, 2021, 12:15:04 PM
Quote from: Laconian on June 10, 2021, 11:42:39 AM
I want to see a photo of an average height man next to this truck.

Demuro has a walk-around video.  You can scale it to him.  Appears to be similar to the Bronco sport in height/width.  I'm guessing it's a little longer.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: veeman on June 11, 2021, 02:47:15 PM
The base model version (FWD, CVT transmission) is really a good deal starting at $21,490 and exceptional gas mileage (40 mpg city) due to it being a hybrid.  That's why this pickup will be a huge success.  For the cost and fuel economy of a compact car, you're getting a crew cab pickup which will fit in an urban parking garage. And it looks like what a pickup truck should look like (it's butch looking). 
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on June 12, 2021, 05:39:25 PM
Quote from: veeman on June 11, 2021, 02:47:15 PM
The base model version (FWD, CVT transmission) is really a good deal starting at $21,490 and exceptional gas mileage (40 mpg city) due to it being a hybrid.  That's why this pickup will be a huge success.  For the cost and fuel economy of a compact car, you're getting a crew cab pickup which will fit in an urban parking garage. And it looks like what a pickup truck should look like (it's butch looking). 

Yup.

Too bad it still doesn't satisfy the "truck itch" for me. I wouldn't want one for commuting or hauling 1000 lbs in the back. I would want a pickup for towing double what my minivan can and going places my Subaru can't.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Morris Minor on June 19, 2021, 02:49:05 PM
A Facebook post & photo from one of my neighbors (referenced earlier in the thread.)

"With all of the recent news about 'small trucks' caused by Fords release of the new Maverick, I feel compelled to remind everyone that a 'small truck' should actually be, well, small. The Maverick is not small. And it has two doors too many.
We bought a small truck in 1984, and would have replaced it sometime in the early 2000's, but by then, no more small trucks, just ever-larger behemoths.
We eventually gave up and paid for a full body-off-frame restoration, and have a good-as-new actual small truck. It is used multiple times per week.
Based on what I see on the horizon, nobody will make a reasonable replacement in the next 5 years, so this one will reach its 40th year of service with us in 2024. It will likely still have less than 90K miles (it's at 78K now)."

(https://i.postimg.cc/bvBYg4tK/mazdab2000.jpg)
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: CaminoRacer on June 19, 2021, 04:17:05 PM
That's clean!
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: MX793 on June 19, 2021, 05:40:56 PM
The Mav is about the same length as the 4th generation B series (LWB version) or first generation Ranger or LWB Toyota truck of the 1980s.  The Mav is several inches wider than those, but most cars are wider today.  Even in their largest forms, those 80s light trucks weren't exactly large.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: FoMoJo on June 19, 2021, 06:35:56 PM
It's based on the Escape platform.  It can't be that big.

And it's not a real truck, it just looks like one.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on June 20, 2021, 05:55:53 PM
I see LOTS of 80s-90s Rangers around here- they look like toys compared to newer trucks. Ranging from super clean to beat up and getting used for actually hauling stuff every day.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Speed_Racer on June 21, 2021, 12:54:42 PM
Decently small for 2021.
Some comparative specs: https://www.motor1.com/news/512510/2022-ford-maverick-size-ranger-f150/ (https://www.motor1.com/news/512510/2022-ford-maverick-size-ranger-f150/)
(https://www.thedrive.com/content-b/message-editor%2F1623972698867-inlinea.jpg?quality=60)
Source: TheDrive
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: FoMoJo on June 21, 2021, 01:30:48 PM
I'd like to see it compared to the Escape, length, height.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: MX793 on June 21, 2021, 01:46:40 PM
Quote from: FoMoJo on June 21, 2021, 01:30:48 PM
I'd like to see it compared to the Escape, length, height.

19" longer, 3" taller, same width.  I think the length difference is rear overhang, not wheelbase.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: FoMoJo on June 21, 2021, 01:50:38 PM
Quote from: MX793 on June 21, 2021, 01:46:40 PM
19" longer, 3" taller, same width.  I think the length difference is rear overhang, not wheelbase.
Thanks, I was too lazy to look it up.

However, that sounds about right in respect to rear passenger room.  Same wheelbase would make sense.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: MX793 on June 21, 2021, 01:54:01 PM
Quote from: FoMoJo on June 21, 2021, 01:50:38 PM
Thanks, I was too lazy to look it up.

However, that sounds about right in respect to rear passenger room.  Same wheelbase would make sense.

Found the wheelbase figures and it looks like they stretched it about 14", so most of it is between the axles.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: 12,000 RPM on June 21, 2021, 06:41:20 PM
Quote from: FoMoJo on June 19, 2021, 06:35:56 PM
It's based on the Escape platform.  It can't be that big.

And it's not a real truck, it just looks like one.
I live in pickup truck country.... for most owners the look is enough

I just can't get over how brilliant this thing is.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: FoMoJo on June 21, 2021, 06:53:21 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on June 21, 2021, 06:41:20 PM
I live in pickup truck country.... for most owners the look is enough

I just can't get over how brilliant this thing is.
If I were to buy another vehicle, it would be a tough choice between a Bronco Sport and a Maverick; the Maverick mainly because of price.  It seems to have all the functionality plus of an entry level SUV, but also a pickup bed. 
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: CaminoRacer on June 21, 2021, 07:07:15 PM
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on June 21, 2021, 06:41:20 PM
I live in pickup truck country.... for most owners the look is enough

I just can't get over how brilliant this thing is.

A stock pickup is not enough where I'm at. Gotta be lifted and have all sorts of accessories too. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: FoMoJo on June 21, 2021, 07:30:32 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on June 21, 2021, 07:07:15 PM
A stock pickup is not enough where I'm at. Gotta be lifted and have all sorts of accessories too. :rolleyes:
Both ends lifted or just one.

Somebody should try something different, like maybe just lifting one side. :huh:
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on June 22, 2021, 12:30:35 PM
Quote from: FoMoJo on June 21, 2021, 07:30:32 PM
Both ends lifted or just one.

Somebody should try something different, like maybe just lifting one side. :huh:

NASCAR TRUCK GOES IN CIRCLES BETTER
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Morris Minor on June 24, 2021, 08:04:00 AM
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on June 20, 2021, 05:55:53 PM
I see LOTS of 80s-90s Rangers around here- they look like toys compared to newer trucks. Ranging from super clean to beat up and getting used for actually hauling stuff every day.
My completely uninformed guess is that the majority of pickup trucks don't get used for getting down & dirty & actually hauling stuff until they're on their third owner. Someone else's gleaming pride & joy, that never did more than mounting the curb outside Whole Foods, is now your dented work truck with bits of hardened concrete in the bed, per its designed utility.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: MX793 on June 24, 2021, 09:00:08 AM
Quote from: Morris Minor on June 24, 2021, 08:04:00 AM
My completely uninformed guess is that the majority of pickup trucks don't get used for getting down & dirty & actually hauling stuff until they're on their third owner. Someone else's gleaming pride & joy, that never did more than mounting the curb outside Whole Foods, is now your dented work truck with bits of hardened concrete in the bed, per its designed utility.

I think a lot of new consumer trucks do likely get used for some lighter duty "truck stuff" that would be more difficult to do with a car.  Towing a boat/camper/toy-hauler or maybe carrying bicycles in the bed.  Picking up the annual Christmas tree or other, "clean" bulky items like bags of mulch or furniture.  Maybe hauling household stuff to the local landfill once in a while.  I don't think many are dumping piles of cinder blocks or bucketloads of gravel or earth into the bed.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: CaminoRacer on June 24, 2021, 10:23:29 AM
Quote from: MX793 on June 24, 2021, 09:00:08 AM
I think a lot of new consumer trucks do likely get used for some lighter duty "truck stuff" that would be more difficult to do with a car.  Towing a boat/camper/toy-hauler or maybe carrying bicycles in the bed.  Picking up the annual Christmas tree or other, "clean" bulky items like bags of mulch or furniture.  Maybe hauling household stuff to the local landfill once in a while.  I don't think many are dumping piles of cinder blocks or bucketloads of gravel or earth into the bed.

Yup. Lots of trucks in Utah that are used for commuting, but also towing a boat, camper, or UTV on the weekend.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: shp4man on June 24, 2021, 01:09:12 PM
Had one of these in High School.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/64/5f/58/645f582a90d5cb0f0e200ffe160e00c6.jpg)

Blazing fast 1200CC engine. It was rated at a half ton load capacity, so it rode really rough. It was a tough little bastard, though. 
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: FoMoJo on June 24, 2021, 01:32:40 PM
I had one of these...

(https://i.postimg.cc/bvstktqL/18f669e47d68b7078039e162e8e7f003.jpg)

'73 Ford Courier aka '73 Mazda B1800.

Nice little truck with a few problems.  First, the seat back was too close to the rear window and whenever I went over a bump, I banged the back of my head on the window.  Also, crappy metal from Japan at that time and it rusted out after a couple of years.  The positive was the engine.  It ran great but the exterior of the engine started to pit after a year or so.  It wasn't until the eighties that imports, as well as cars from the EU, were able to survive more than 2 or 3 years in the rust belt before holes started to appear in them.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Laconian on June 24, 2021, 02:10:59 PM
Did they not salt their roads in Japan?
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Soup DeVille on June 24, 2021, 02:46:52 PM
Quote from: Laconian on June 24, 2021, 02:10:59 PM
Did they not salt their roads in Japan?

Sand.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: r0tor on June 25, 2021, 08:35:39 AM
Japanese cars still are rust buckets
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: MrH on June 25, 2021, 08:51:18 AM
Trucks are so ungodly expensive on the used market.  It was bad before, it's especially bad now.  Imported kei trucks for <$5k is actually not a bad deal now if you've got the space to put it.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: MX793 on June 25, 2021, 11:19:42 AM
Quote from: r0tor on June 25, 2021, 08:35:39 AM
Japanese cars still are rust buckets

Depends on the brand.  Mazdas are terrible.  Mitsubishi and Nissan aren't great either.  Toyota is about average.  Honda actually ranks as one of the best for rust-resistance, along with the major German brands (VW, Merc, BMW).
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: FoMoJo on June 25, 2021, 12:06:58 PM
Quote from: MX793 on June 25, 2021, 11:19:42 AM
Depends on the brand.  Mazdas are terrible.  Mitsubishi and Nissan aren't great either.  Toyota is about average.  Honda actually ranks as one of the best for rust-resistance, along with the major German brands (VW, Merc, BMW).
In the '80s, I don't remember the specific year, Toyota introduced a process where they would dip the vehicle frame in undercoating applying a charge to the metal in order to get the paint to adhere better.  Seemed to work.  Most automakers, no doubt, implemented the process, or something similar.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: MX793 on June 25, 2021, 01:50:56 PM
Quote from: FoMoJo on June 25, 2021, 12:06:58 PM
In the '80s, I don't remember the specific year, Toyota introduced a process where they would dip the vehicle frame in undercoating applying a charge to the metal in order to get the paint to adhere better.  Seemed to work.  Most automakers, no doubt, implemented the process, or something similar.

Clearly it didn't work, or they've stopped doing that, since Toyota had a massive recall on Tacomas, Tundras, and related SUVs covering models from the mid-90s to 2008 or so due to catastrophic, corrosion-induced frame failure.

The shift to more environmentally-friendly finishing systems has resulted in poor corrosion performance for many cars starting in the mid 90s.  Chromates are terrible for the environment, but work great for inhibiting corrosion.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Submariner on June 27, 2021, 08:22:38 AM
Quote from: FoMoJo on June 21, 2021, 07:30:32 PM
Both ends lifted or just one.

Somebody should try something different, like maybe just lifting one side. :huh:

(https://www.autospies.com/images/users/Agent009/main/squatty.JPG)
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: 12,000 RPM on June 28, 2021, 10:28:24 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on June 21, 2021, 07:07:15 PM
A stock pickup is not enough where I'm at. Gotta be lifted and have all sorts of accessories too. :rolleyes:
Dont see why a Maverick can't be sovereign brother bedazzled any different than the rest
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Galaxy on June 28, 2021, 10:55:22 PM
As an alternative for someone in a Fusion, or maybe even a Focus, who wants to haul bikes, and maybe shopping from the gardening centre it sounds like a good idea. And if it really gets 40 mpg.... why not?

They actually managed to make it interesting to look at, also the interior with that textured plastic, and the orange trim. 
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on June 29, 2021, 06:06:56 PM
Funny how the "tiny" pickup is still bigger than what pickups used to be.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: CaminoRacer on August 09, 2021, 02:24:44 PM
I think a Maverick would round out my garage pretty well. Just the base hybrid. Good for road trips or weekend trips to the mountains.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Speed_Racer on August 11, 2021, 08:45:55 AM
Pappa, mamma, & baby bear side by side.

(https://i.postimg.cc/DZbp5rwz/mv1.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/9fkNG8VS/mv2.jpg)

https://www.motor1.com/news/525797/ford-maverick-ranger-f150-photo/ (https://www.motor1.com/news/525797/ford-maverick-ranger-f150-photo/)
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on August 11, 2021, 04:22:59 PM
The competition!
https://youtu.be/lzejSBdQ7LY
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Speed_Racer on August 12, 2021, 04:11:09 PM
Quirkssssssssssss

Looks like a new Subaru Baja, minus the handy bed pass-through. Bring that back, manufacturers
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on August 13, 2021, 08:43:11 AM
I think the Santa Cruz will sell really well. Why not buy an almost useless little empty bed in the back of your car??

Maverick will sell even better- cuz "Truck". Looks anyway.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: CaminoRacer on August 13, 2021, 11:35:27 AM
If I did/do get a Maverick, I'd probably put a bed cap on it. Can't do that as easily with the Santa Cruz.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on August 14, 2021, 07:25:08 AM
I see the practicality of caps but also what's the point over just putting a divider in an SUV???...   :lol:

I'd love a super easy to remove cap... But the lightness would then make it to weak......

I really like the idea of a small pickup but I really will want something just for towing a (small) camp trailer. So the line between enough towing capacity and too much truck is real!
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: veeman on August 14, 2021, 09:11:54 AM
I don't see the Santa Cruz selling that well but the Maverick selling great.  It's the styling and brand image. The same reason the Honda Ridgeline never sold that well. 

Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: CaminoRacer on August 14, 2021, 11:12:04 AM
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on August 14, 2021, 07:25:08 AM
I see the practicality of caps but also what's the point over just putting a divider in an SUV???...   :lol:

I'd love a super easy to remove cap... But the lightness would then make it to weak......

I really like the idea of a small pickup but I really will want something just for towing a (small) camp trailer. So the line between enough towing capacity and too much truck is real!

Being able to remove the cap when I need to haul an engine or something would be the big benefit.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Galaxy on August 14, 2021, 02:04:14 PM
Quote from: veeman on August 14, 2021, 09:11:54 AM
I don't see the Santa Cruz selling that well but the Maverick selling great.  It's the styling and brand image. The same reason the Honda Ridgeline never sold that well. 



Styling is the only thing I prefer about the Hyundai, everything else the Ford seems to have it beat. Especially with the hybrid drive.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on August 15, 2021, 12:30:51 AM
The price difference is going to be HYUGE.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: CaminoRacer on August 15, 2021, 12:21:24 PM
Quote from: Galaxy on August 14, 2021, 02:04:14 PM
Styling is the only thing I prefer about the Hyundai, everything else the Ford seems to have it beat. Especially with the hybrid drive.

Yeah, supposedly the hybrid gets better mileage than my Miata.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 06, 2021, 04:08:24 AM
I've never bought nor lusted after a new car before, but I really really want one of these in orange.  :ohyeah:

Actually considering one. Would be our perfect 3rd (rainy weather commuting) "car"....   It's a tall station wagon with the back chopped off?  :lol:
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 06, 2021, 09:16:15 AM
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on October 06, 2021, 04:08:24 AM
I've never bought nor lusted after a new car before, but I really really want one of these in orange.  :ohyeah:

Actually considering one. Would be our perfect 3rd (rainy weather commuting) "car"....   It's a tall station wagon with the back chopped off?  :lol:

I want the mid level trim but with the base level's steelies.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Payman on October 06, 2021, 09:36:49 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 06, 2021, 09:16:15 AM
I want the mid level trim but with the base level's steelies.

Same. Looks great in the steelies. I'd be swapping wheels/tires for the winter anyways.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Payman on October 06, 2021, 09:46:15 AM
But after my Ford Focus Powershit adventures, I don't trust Ford to do a CVT, and I hate CVTs.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: SJ_GTI on October 06, 2021, 11:11:34 AM
Seems like a bunch of reviews were released on YouTube. I watched a couple...seems like a good light duty truck
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 06, 2021, 11:56:57 AM
Reviews seem like it's just what we need most of the time for our "middle" car to keep 15 years. No reverse gear is interesting (uses electric motor).  Wife has me emailing dealers for custom build, delivery in spring :mask:

Lariat hybrid FWD
-carbonized (dark) grey
-luxury package (includes spare tire (LOL), android auto, dual climate, hitch with light connector, spray in bed liner, noise reduction windshield, power rear window, power seats)
-rubber floor mats
-wheel locks.
-$31710 MSRP.

:mask:
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 06, 2021, 12:29:47 PM
Ahh the luxurious spare tire
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 06, 2021, 12:38:14 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 06, 2021, 12:29:47 PM
Ahh the luxurious spare tire

:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Payman on October 06, 2021, 01:50:09 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 06, 2021, 12:29:47 PM
Ahh the luxurious spare tire

Filled with Perri-Air.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: r0tor on October 07, 2021, 07:27:48 PM
Quote from: Rockraven on October 06, 2021, 09:46:15 AM
But after my Ford Focus Powershit adventures, I don't trust Ford to do a CVT, and I hate CVTs.

Well, the cvt on my parents fusion hybrid did blow up in like 30k miles
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 07, 2021, 10:14:51 PM
Quote from: r0tor on October 07, 2021, 07:27:48 PM
Well, the cvt on my parents fusion hybrid did blow up in like 30k miles

Hopefully they've fixed that!  :confused:
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 08, 2021, 04:55:39 AM
Reading reviews, wife and I are 100% going to get one of these. Just a matter of how much we can get one for.

It strikes me as funny because I could always see the utility of a truck but didn't need/want one. This is more like a more capable BRAT or Baja than anything else, with better city MPG than a hybrid Civic!! 

Kind of floors me thinking of buying a new car- I have paid $12k, $9k, $5.5k, and $4.5k for minivans. All the others in my sig were under $3k (except for Impreza which wife bought new before marriage).
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Speed_Racer on October 08, 2021, 10:28:07 AM
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on October 08, 2021, 04:55:39 AM
Reading reviews, wife and I are 100% going to get one of these. Just a matter of how much we can get one for.

It strikes me as funny because I could always see the utility of a truck but didn't need/want one. This is more like a more capable BRAT or Baja than anything else, with better city MPG than a hybrid Civic!! 

Kind of floors me thinking of buying a new car- I have paid $12k, $9k, $5.5k, and $4.5k for minivans. All the others in my sig were under $3k (except for Impreza which wife bought new before marriage).

Buy it and drive it into the ground. But if you don't, I'm curious if the Maverick will hold it's value over time as well as mid and full size trucks do
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 08, 2021, 10:30:38 AM
Quote from: Speed_Racer on October 08, 2021, 10:28:07 AM
Buy it and drive it into the ground. But if you don't, I'm curious if the Maverick will hold it's value over time as well as mid and full size trucks do

Used Rangers were always pretty cheap. But I guess they were pretty cheap new too.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 08, 2021, 12:29:52 PM
Quote from: Speed_Racer on October 08, 2021, 10:28:07 AM
Buy it and drive it into the ground. But if you don't, I'm curious if the Maverick will hold it's value over time as well as mid and full size trucks do

That's the plan. :)

If they're truly as good a combination of doing stuff and economy as I think they are, I'm guessing they will sell well and stay popular (and hold value).

Jeeps and motorcycles are other value-holders. But I wouldn't pay the money people shell out for those so maybe I'm 100% wrong. :lol:
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 13, 2021, 09:09:58 AM
Apparently all the trucks coming off the line are the terbow version. They start building or shipping hybrids December 8.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 13, 2021, 11:29:41 AM
AND funny to me, this "mini" truck is only 3 inches shorter in length than a Honda Odyssey. It's about as tall and only 5 inches narrower in width. LOL.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: SJ_GTI on October 13, 2021, 11:34:37 AM
I feel like 5 inches narrower is quite a bit.

The length isn't too surprising. Trucks are longer than cars. If it was shorter the bed wouldn't really be functional.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 14, 2021, 02:22:41 PM
Wife went to local dealer today and dropped $5k for the order. Dark grey Lariat hybrid with luxury package will be about $32k.

What she Really wanted though was a '73 Bronco with only 16k original miles in amazing (restored?) condition for "only" $80k... Lol
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: shp4man on October 14, 2021, 02:28:59 PM
I thought these things would sell
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: FoMoJo on October 14, 2021, 02:33:10 PM
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on October 14, 2021, 02:22:41 PM
Wife went to local dealer today and dropped $5k for the order. Dark grey Lariat hybrid with luxury package will be about $32k.

What she Really wanted though was a '73 Bronco with only 16k original miles in amazing (restored?) condition for "only" $80k... Lol
She's got good taste.  Any indication of delivery?

I've seen a lot of brands with various shades of grey with the "wet clay" look.  Dark is better.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 14, 2021, 03:27:47 PM
Nice!
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Rich on October 14, 2021, 04:41:07 PM
Cool, I wish I could check it out when it comes
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: veeman on October 14, 2021, 07:09:21 PM
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on October 14, 2021, 02:22:41 PM
Wife went to local dealer today and dropped $5k for the order. Dark grey Lariat hybrid with luxury package will be about $32k.

What she Really wanted though was a '73 Bronco with only 16k original miles in amazing (restored?) condition for "only" $80k... Lol

You didn't stand a chance convincing her to get a used car being stationed in Kuwait  :lol:

Congratulations!
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 14, 2021, 09:46:35 PM
Quote from: FoMoJo on October 14, 2021, 02:33:10 PM
She's got good taste.  Any indication of delivery?

I've seen a lot of brands with various shades of grey with the "wet clay" look.  Dark is better.

So some people have gotten their terbow version already. This dealer ordered two, one is sold already. They're not even staying the hybrids until December.

My "guess" is that we'll be high on the list, ordering almost the most expensive they can get?

It's kind of fun, they email us the VIN when they start and then email when it's finished and enroute.

It's not kind of fun that buying my first house and buying my first ever brand new car- wife got all the fun, I've been stuck far away. :lol:
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 14, 2021, 09:48:18 PM
Quote from: shp4man on October 14, 2021, 02:28:59 PM
I thought these things would sell


The price is just amazing. Does most everything we need with great gas mileage!

Speaking of, it was $2.45 when I left, wife says it's $4+ now.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 14, 2021, 09:51:39 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 14, 2021, 03:27:47 PM
Nice!

Thanks!

Quote from: Rich on October 14, 2021, 04:41:07 PM
Cool, I wish I could check it out when it comes

Me too! My son is re-enlisting though. Maybe he'll still be up there next fall?!?!

Quote from: veeman on October 14, 2021, 07:09:21 PM
You didn't stand a chance convincing her to get a used car being stationed in Kuwait  :lol:

Congratulations!

She actually called from the dealership sitting with the salesman and a list of used vehicles. But an MKZ with two years and 25k miles was almost as much ?!?!?

Gas mileage around town was a serious plus for me. One reviewer said he got 40mpg in Nashville traffic "without even trying".
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Laconian on October 14, 2021, 10:32:57 PM
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on October 14, 2021, 09:48:18 PM
The price is just amazing. Does most everything we need with great gas mileage!

Speaking of, it was $2.45 when I left, wife says it's $4+ now.

Energy is eye-watering everywhere right now. Big crunch.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 14, 2021, 10:52:32 PM
Just make sure they don't try to hit you with any dealer markups. I've heard of a lot of dealerships doing that to people's Bronco or Mach E orders, and they have to find a different, less shady dealership to avoid markups. Hopefully the Maverick won't be like that.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 15, 2021, 06:12:30 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 14, 2021, 10:52:32 PM
Just make sure they don't try to hit you with any dealer markups. I've heard of a lot of dealerships doing that to people's Bronco or Mach E orders, and they have to find a different, less shady dealership to avoid markups. Hopefully the Maverick won't be like that.

We're getting MSRP, which already includes the shipping fees. Military discount is $500 and knocks off this dealership's "docking charges". But who knows- if demand gets high enough they may try to get greedy??...

They tried to sell us a cool $2k+ package which includes bed liner, hood sticker (clear protectant?), tinted windows and "better" wheel locks. The package we ordered includes spray in bedliner and we checked the box on wheel locks, so we declined.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: SJ_GTI on October 15, 2021, 06:29:19 AM
Congrats, sounds like a good truck.

From watching reviews I'd probably go with the AWD/2.0L Turbo combination, but that is because gas prices don't bother me much (I only drive ~5000 miles a year or so anyway). Either way it sounds like a great overall package.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: MrH on October 15, 2021, 06:38:47 AM
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on October 15, 2021, 06:12:30 AM
We're getting MSRP, which already includes the shipping fees. Military discount is $500 and knocks off this dealership's "docking charges". But who knows- if demand gets high enough they may try to get greedy??...

They tried to sell us a cool $2k+ package which includes bed liner, hood sticker (clear protectant?), tinted windows and "better" wheel locks. The package we ordered includes spray in bedliner and we checked the box on wheel locks, so we declined.

I was going to say, doesn't the Lariat include a bed liner already??
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 15, 2021, 11:45:00 AM
Quote from: MrH on October 15, 2021, 06:38:47 AM
I was going to say, doesn't the Lariat include a bed liner already??

Not sure but between Lariat and the Luxury package, yes. Luxury includes tow hitch, better sound system, and a few other nice things too and a lot of stuff I don't care super lots about. BUT planning to keep this thing long long term so the nice to have stuff is cool.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 15, 2021, 11:46:53 AM
Quote from: SJ_GTI on October 15, 2021, 06:29:19 AM
Congrats, sounds like a good truck.

From watching reviews I'd probably go with the AWD/2.0L Turbo combination, but that is because gas prices don't bother me much (I only drive ~5000 miles a year or so anyway). Either way it sounds like a great overall package.

Thank you!
This will be my "bad weather commuter" car, I drive 200miles/week just to work and back. AWD would be nice but not available with the Hybrid.

Funny that our minivan will still be the more capable tow vehicle :mask: but some day we want to get a full size truck for camper trailer?
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: veeman on October 17, 2021, 06:40:14 AM
Crazy that a base model Maverick and a base model Ecosport cost the same amount; well actually the Maverick a bit cheaper. 
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 17, 2021, 12:08:13 PM
Crazy this is the cheapest car Ford sells now?!?!!??!?!
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: veeman on October 18, 2021, 08:25:29 AM
I had my Dad order a base model Maverick in a cool color Ford calls "Area 51". Looks like a matte blue/gray.    I maybe would have ordered one for myself if I hadn't recently gotten my Veloster.

We both don't haul anything :lol:
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 18, 2021, 12:55:08 PM
Quote from: veeman on October 18, 2021, 08:25:29 AM
I had my Dad order a base model Maverick in a cool color Ford calls "Area 51". Looks like a matte blue/gray.    I maybe would have ordered one for myself if I hadn't recently gotten my Veloster.

We both don't haul anything :lol:

Right but this thing seems to super meet truck wants without the usual truck drawbacks!

Funny enough it's a modern El Camino or Ute from Australia- only with 4 doors.

Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: MX793 on October 18, 2021, 12:56:29 PM
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on October 17, 2021, 12:08:13 PM
Crazy this is the cheapest car Ford sells now?!?!!??!?!

Just highlights how grossly overpriced the EcoSport is.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on October 18, 2021, 01:05:34 PM
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on October 18, 2021, 12:55:08 PM
Right but this thing seems to super meet truck wants without the usual truck drawbacks!

Funny enough it's a modern El Camino or Ute from Australia- only with 4 doors.
:hesaid:
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 18, 2021, 01:30:12 PM
Quote from: MX793 on October 18, 2021, 12:56:29 PM
Just highlights how grossly overpriced the EcoSport is.

That thing makes me gag. So ugly and it's twice the price it should be.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 18, 2021, 01:30:58 PM
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on October 18, 2021, 12:55:08 PM
Funny enough it's a modern El Camino or Ute from Australia- only with 4 doors.

So you're saying I should buy one, lower it, and then autocross it so hard that the spindles break?
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: MX793 on October 18, 2021, 02:16:41 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 18, 2021, 01:30:12 PM
That thing makes me gag. So ugly and it's twice the price it should be.

It should not cost more, in base FWD form, than the old Fiesta did or Honda Fit does (which is like 20% less than its current price).  If you want to say that with AWD and every option it costs 20k, OK, that's not too unreasonable.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 19, 2021, 12:41:32 PM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 18, 2021, 01:30:58 PM
So you're saying I should buy one, lower it, and then autocross it so hard that the spindles break?

well you may have some issues there- not sure how strong the unibody is, I just read last night there's no torque converter in the hybrid (and no reverse gear!). I wonder if the brakes are different from hybrid and terbow. If they put the terbow brakes on all varieties, should be good still.

There are people wondering out loud if they will put out an AWD hybrid later. I'm good with FWD, I don't need burnouts, just a good commuter and sometimes go to Lowes car. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 19, 2021, 12:42:44 PM
Quote from: MX793 on October 18, 2021, 02:16:41 PM
It should not cost more, in base FWD form, than the old Fiesta did or Honda Fit does (which is like 20% less than its current price).  If you want to say that with AWD and every option it costs 20k, OK, that's not too unreasonable.

Those are much less vehicle. I wouldn't stack 1500lbs on either one of those, nor pull 2k lbs with them. I'm really really surprised they got this much into a vehicle this cheaply- likely much of that is thanks to building them in Mejico....
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: MX793 on October 19, 2021, 01:08:13 PM
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on October 19, 2021, 12:42:44 PM
Those are much less vehicle. I wouldn't stack 1500lbs on either one of those, nor pull 2k lbs with them. I'm really really surprised they got this much into a vehicle this cheaply- likely much of that is thanks to building them in Mejico....

I'm talking about the EcoSport compared to Fit and Fiesta.  The Mav should definitely cost more than any of them.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 19, 2021, 01:26:46 PM
Quote from: MX793 on October 19, 2021, 01:08:13 PM
I'm talking about the EcoSport compared to Fit and Fiesta.  The Mav should definitely cost more than any of them.

Doh. You're totally right!!!!
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Payman on October 20, 2021, 10:29:08 AM
I'm still not sold on CVT, but I'm still intrigued. My local dealer's website said they had 3 XLT 4x4 models on hand, ranging from $33k - $38K. That's pretty amazing when you consider the exchange rate; equal to about $25K US. Anyways, I called and all 3 are gone/spoken for, and I'm told it'll be well into next year before I could get one.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 20, 2021, 10:39:11 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on October 20, 2021, 10:29:08 AM
I'm still not sold on CVT, but I'm still intrigued. My local dealer's website said they had 3 XLT 4x4 models on hand, ranging from $33k - $38K. That's pretty amazing when you consider the exchange rate; equal to about $25K US. Anyways, I called and all 3 are gone/spoken for, and I'm told it'll be well into next year before I could get one.

I wonder if you could sneak a butt test though...
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 20, 2021, 10:40:02 AM
Oh and those ones have a regular old fashioned auto transmission! The terbows don't have cvt, and there are no hybrids shipped yet.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Payman on October 20, 2021, 10:55:03 AM
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on October 20, 2021, 10:40:02 AM
Oh and those ones have a regular old fashioned auto transmission! The terbows don't have cvt, and there are no hybrids shipped yet.

Oh hey didn't realize that. Yeah the 2.0T is 8 speed auto. That's a game changer for me.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Payman on October 20, 2021, 10:57:56 AM
Is that auto tranny in anything else? Ie, the Escape or some other model? I want to know it's reliable and not like the Focus nightmare.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: MX793 on October 20, 2021, 11:15:01 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on October 20, 2021, 10:57:56 AM
Is that auto tranny in anything else? Ie, the Escape or some other model? I want to know it's reliable and not like the Focus nightmare.

I think it's the same 8AT as the Escape and Bronco Sport.  It's not PowerShit.

CVT is inherent to the hybrid.  Ford's Hybrid setup is basically a copy of the Toyota Synergy drive (IIRC Ford pays royalties to Toyota).
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: r0tor on October 20, 2021, 11:19:44 AM
I can't imagine any CVT standing a chance of towing anything more then a wheel barrow
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: MX793 on October 20, 2021, 11:26:37 AM
Quote from: r0tor on October 20, 2021, 11:19:44 AM
I can't imagine any CVT standing a chance of towing anything more then a wheel barrow

It's not a belt/chain driven CVT like most of them.  It's the same arrangement as Toyota's Synergy Drive.  Constant mesh planetary gearbox and the "ratios" are determined by the speed and direction that the hybrid motor turns.  Definitely more robust than the belt/chain driven boxes you see from Nissan et al.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: r0tor on October 20, 2021, 12:01:58 PM
Quote from: MX793 on October 20, 2021, 11:26:37 AM
It's not a belt/chain driven CVT like most of them.  It's the same arrangement as Toyota's Synergy Drive.  Constant mesh planetary gearbox and the "ratios" are determined by the speed and direction that the hybrid motor turns.  Definitely more robust than the belt/chain driven boxes you see from Nissan et al.
My parents fusion hybrid cvt self destructed with little mileage... Never underestimate Ford's ability to f up
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: MX793 on October 20, 2021, 12:18:33 PM
Quote from: r0tor on October 20, 2021, 12:01:58 PM
My parents fusion hybrid cvt self destructed with little mileage... Never underestimate Ford's ability to f up

What part of it failed?

Any transmission, even the most robust design, can experience a failure for a variety of reasons that are not due to the inherent robustness of the design.  I've seen old-school manual boxes from semi trucks, which are the epitome of overbuilt, break.  A material defect in a gear, shaft, or bearing that wasn't picked up in NDI can lead to a failure.  Or contaminated lubricants.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: r0tor on October 20, 2021, 05:42:06 PM
Apparently they increased the ev only speed as a result of a lawsuit about not getting stated mpg... and it turned out the electric oil pump didn't flow enough to keep the transmission from eating itself at that speed.

Or at least that's what I remember the dealer explaining
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 20, 2021, 09:50:17 PM
Official hybrid mpgeez finally spotted
(https://i.postimg.cc/0rp856M4/Screenshot-20211021-061521.png) (https://postimg.cc/0rp856M4)
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 20, 2021, 09:52:14 PM
Quote from: MX793 on October 20, 2021, 11:15:01 AM

CVT is inherent to the hybrid.  Ford's Hybrid setup is basically a copy of the Toyota Synergy drive (IIRC Ford pays royalties to Toyota).

Interesting. I've read no torque converter and no reverse gear.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: MX793 on October 21, 2021, 05:25:51 AM
Quote from: r0tor on October 20, 2021, 05:42:06 PM
Apparently they increased the ev only speed as a result of a lawsuit about not getting stated mpg... and it turned out the electric oil pump didn't flow enough to keep the transmission from eating itself at that speed.

Or at least that's what I remember the dealer explaining

That's not a CVT-specific problem.  Literally any gearbox with insufficient lubrication will eat itself.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: r0tor on October 22, 2021, 05:10:20 AM
Quote from: MX793 on October 21, 2021, 05:25:51 AM
That's not a CVT-specific problem.  Literally any gearbox with insufficient lubrication will eat itself.

Hence I said never underestimate the ability of Ford to f up
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: MX793 on October 22, 2021, 06:06:48 AM
Quote from: r0tor on October 22, 2021, 05:10:20 AM
Hence I said never underestimate the ability of Ford to f up

OK, but your original statement was

Quote from: r0tor on October 20, 2021, 11:19:44 AM
I can't imagine any CVT standing a chance of towing anything more then a wheel barrow

This statement is not specific to Ford.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Payman on October 22, 2021, 06:17:00 AM
After swearing off ever buying new again, I admit this is making me rethink that stance. Still, if I really wanted a truck I can find a really nice used Taco or Frontier for half that price.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Soup DeVille on October 22, 2021, 06:39:59 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on October 22, 2021, 06:17:00 AM
After swearing off ever buying new again, I admit this is making me rethink that stance. Still, if I really wanted a truck I can find a really nice used Taco or Frontier for half that price.

No, no you can't.

Last year you could, yes. Not now.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: SJ_GTI on October 22, 2021, 06:58:06 AM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 22, 2021, 06:39:59 AM
No, no you can't.

Last year you could, yes. Not now.

Hah, that was exactly my thought. Used car prices are still so crazy.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Payman on October 22, 2021, 07:20:33 AM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 22, 2021, 06:39:59 AM
No, no you can't.

Last year you could, yes. Not now.
Quote from: SJ_GTI on October 22, 2021, 06:58:06 AM
Hah, that was exactly my thought. Used car prices are still so crazy.

It's not as big an issue up here.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Payman on October 22, 2021, 07:23:01 AM
https://www.autotrader.ca/a/toyota/tacoma/newmarket/ontario/5_52984922_20211014024032362/?showcpo=ShowCpo&ncse=no&orup=7_15_26&pc=K0K%201T0&sprx=-2
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: MX793 on October 22, 2021, 07:29:29 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on October 22, 2021, 07:23:01 AM
https://www.autotrader.ca/a/toyota/tacoma/newmarket/ontario/5_52984922_20211014024032362/?showcpo=ShowCpo&ncse=no&orup=7_15_26&pc=K0K%201T0&sprx=-2

Let's ignore the fact that it has roughly 190,000 miles on the odometer...
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Payman on October 22, 2021, 08:15:45 AM
Quote from: MX793 on October 22, 2021, 07:29:29 AM
Let's ignore the fact that it has roughly 190,000 miles on the odometer...

Who's ignoring anything? I said I can get a used Taco for half the price, and I can. Pffft, that's just broken in on a Taco.   :lol:
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: MrH on October 22, 2021, 08:55:15 AM
That's a really nice used Tacoma? :confused:
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: SJ_GTI on October 22, 2021, 08:56:52 AM
Guys can we all be honest for a second? No one cares about Canada.

( :lol: )
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Payman on October 22, 2021, 09:06:13 AM
Quote from: MrH on October 22, 2021, 08:55:15 AM
That's a really nice used Tacoma? :confused:

Jeez, it's an example I threw up from a 10 second search. Tough crowd.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Soup DeVille on October 22, 2021, 11:38:47 AM
Quote from: Rockraven on October 22, 2021, 07:23:01 AM
https://www.autotrader.ca/a/toyota/tacoma/newmarket/ontario/5_52984922_20211014024032362/?showcpo=ShowCpo&ncse=no&orup=7_15_26&pc=K0K%201T0&sprx=-2

That, well pretty much supports my point;

That's 16,000 for a base 2014 Tacoma with 190,000 miles. That's a lot of coin for a basic used vehicle.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 22, 2021, 12:19:06 PM
I never figured I'd buy a new car but I "need" one by next fall, this is really good commuting gas mileage, but still functional vehicle, for a ridiculous low price.

Fyi there have been a few reports of shoddy paint needing repair before leaving the dealership.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Payman on October 22, 2021, 12:59:52 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 22, 2021, 11:38:47 AM
That, well pretty much supports my point;

That's 16,000 for a base 2014 Tacoma with 190,000 miles. That's a lot of coin for a basic used vehicle.

I found a nice 4 door, 4x4 Frontier with just 75,000 miles for $16K. Since my stance is that I don't want to buy new anymore (have a car payment) I probably could have used better examples. No big deal.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: CALL_911 on October 22, 2021, 02:28:04 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 22, 2021, 11:38:47 AM
That, well pretty much supports my point;

That's 16,000 for a base 2014 Tacoma with 190,000 miles. That's a lot of coin for a basic used vehicle.

Total side note- you got a 4Runner? Land Cruiser's history?
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Soup DeVille on October 22, 2021, 07:10:15 PM
Quote from: CALL_911 on October 22, 2021, 02:28:04 PM
Total side note- you got a 4Runner? Land Cruiser's history?

Yeah, I did. The Land Cruiser was still truckin' along , but the rust was becoming a little much, and I was able to sell it for nearly what I paid for it.

Got the last TRD off road on the lot at the local Toyota dealership. No bargains to be had unfortunately.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: MrH on October 23, 2021, 07:57:37 AM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 22, 2021, 07:10:15 PM
Yeah, I did. The Land Cruiser was still truckin' along , but the rust was becoming a little much, and I was able to sell it for nearly what I paid for it.

Got the last TRD off road on the lot at the local Toyota dealership. No bargains to be had unfortunately.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/l4Ho0At2UD2d7WyD6/giphy.gif)

Start a thread!
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 23, 2021, 07:58:46 AM
He got a TuRD!?
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: CALL_911 on October 23, 2021, 03:46:56 PM
Quote from: MrH on October 23, 2021, 07:57:37 AM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/l4Ho0At2UD2d7WyD6/giphy.gif)

Start a thread!

Agree
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 23, 2021, 11:20:23 PM
Video of manufacturing!!

https://youtu.be/C34R3wLZASQ
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 23, 2021, 11:27:32 PM
I saw an OG Maverick today. There's one is my town that I see every once in a while.

(https://barnfinds.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Maverick1-e1515515690131-630x355.jpg)
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: MX793 on October 24, 2021, 06:39:19 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 23, 2021, 11:27:32 PM
I saw an OG Maverick today. There's one is my town that I see every once in a while.

(https://barnfinds.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Maverick1-e1515515690131-630x355.jpg)

I have a soft spot for the original coupes.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 24, 2021, 07:11:23 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 23, 2021, 11:27:32 PM
I saw an OG Maverick today. There's one is my town that I see every once in a while.

(https://barnfinds.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Maverick1-e1515515690131-630x355.jpg)

:rockon:
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 26, 2021, 08:01:24 AM
So, can I get a Maverick that isn't a hybrid but with AWD and an Emmanuel tranny?
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: MrH on October 26, 2021, 08:03:49 AM
No manual on the Maverick I don't think.  2.0T, AWD, 8-speed auto or hybrid.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 26, 2021, 08:05:44 AM
Fine. My left knee has arthritis and torn meniscus, anyway.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: MrH on October 26, 2021, 08:15:48 AM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 26, 2021, 08:05:44 AM
Fine. My left knee has arthritis and torn meniscus, anyway.

I lucked out.  My right knee has a torn meniscus.  The left one got fixed already.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 26, 2021, 08:16:12 AM
Never mind. I don't like it, anymore. Silly electric knob shifter and parking brake. Giant TV screen. Price for AWD option is stupid high.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Soup DeVille on October 26, 2021, 08:17:26 AM
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on October 23, 2021, 11:20:23 PM
Video of manufacturing!!

https://youtu.be/C34R3wLZASQ

Fanuc robots, but for some reason most of the Fanuc logos have been obscured or removed.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 26, 2021, 08:22:34 AM
Quote from: MrH on October 26, 2021, 08:15:48 AM
I lucked out.  My right knee has a torn meniscus.  The left one got fixed already.

I bought the Jeep in January 2020 because I needed an automatic for my failing knee. I just got a referral to an orthopedic surgeon. Next available appointment January 2022. Two fucking years to get my knee looked at, and it has only gotten worse and worse. Thanks, VA.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 26, 2021, 09:37:08 AM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on October 26, 2021, 08:17:26 AM
Fanuc robots, but for some reason most of the Fanuc logos have been obscured or removed.

Silly legal reasons. You would think that companies would be proud to let other companies advertise for them though. :huh:
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on November 08, 2021, 12:19:46 PM
Transmission talk

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?view=detail&mid=FE896335EC764E9914A8FE896335EC764E9914A8&q=eCVT explained&shtp=GetUrl&shid=55fc0521-13c2-464f-82a3-9a916affeed2&shtk=MjAyMiBGb3JkIE1hdmVyaWNrOiBIeWJyaWQgRXhwbGFpbmVk&shdk=QSBIeWJyaWQgMTAxIGZvciB0aGUgYWxsLW5ldyAyMDIyIEZvcmQgTWF2ZXJpY2suIEZyZXF1ZW50bHkgYXNrZWQgcXVlc3Rpb25zIGFuc3dlcmVkLiBIb3cgZG9lcyBpdCB3b3JrPyBXaGF0J3MgaXQgbGlrZSB0byBkcml2ZT8gQ2FuIHlvdSB3b3JrIG9uIGl0IHlvdXJzZWxmPyBEbyB5b3UgaGF2ZSB0byBwbHVnIGl0IGluPyBBbmQgbW9yZSEgV2Vic2l0ZSB0ZXh0OiBodHRwOi8vdGVzdGRyaXZlbi50di8yMDIxLzA4LzIwMjItZm9yZC1tYXZlcmljay1oeWJyaWQtZXhwbGFpbmVkIE91ciBjb21wYW5pb24gY2hhbm5lbCBURFRWIEdhcmFnZTogaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cueW91dHViZS5jb20vYy9URFRWR2FyYWdlIC4uLg%3D%3D&shhk=uGC1qbtmao06QAj1yEbSDvTINwGCWdeuWyoSZw9J1sQ%3D&form=VDSHOT&shth=OVP.Qc4sq-HSrmrIjj5CigfWbgEsDh

Bing video LOL 😂
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: WookieOnRitalin on November 08, 2021, 06:50:35 PM
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 26, 2021, 08:05:44 AM
Fine. My left knee has arthritis and torn meniscus, anyway.

Quote from: MrH on October 26, 2021, 08:15:48 AM
I lucked out.  My right knee has a torn meniscus.  The left one got fixed already.

Yikes. Aren't you guys younger than me?
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 08, 2021, 07:39:21 PM
Quote from: WookieOnRitalin on November 08, 2021, 06:50:35 PM
Yikes. Aren't you guys younger than me?

I've done a lot of hard work.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: MrH on November 09, 2021, 07:44:30 AM
Quote from: WookieOnRitalin on November 08, 2021, 06:50:35 PM
Yikes. Aren't you guys younger than me?

Almost 34 now.  Had a lateral release done on my left knee in college.  It had a slight meniscus tear and the cartilage on the back of the knee cap was torn up from sliding out of place.  When I was around 25 or 26, I slipped while jumping off my right leg while playing basketball.  Knee shot inwards.  Ended up with a nasty bone bruise on my femur, stretched a bunch of ligaments, and a meniscus tear, but no surgery.  Everyone playing thought I tore my ACL for sure for how bad it looked.

Feels fine now unless I'm hiking or something and go downhill for an extended period of time.  Then I can feel it getting caught in the joint.  Really painful stuff, but it's rare.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 09, 2021, 07:46:25 AM
I've been waiting almost 2 years for knee surgery.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: CaminoRacer on November 09, 2021, 10:26:41 AM
My knees were bad in middle school and high school. I grew quickly so they had to catch up. And I was always playing sports and tweaking my knees and ankles. They're fine now, and I do my best to protect them. But hiking does bother them. My last big hike I had to stop at the "saddle" of the mountain instead of the true summit, because I knew I had to hike 7 miles back downhill and my knees were already bothering me. At least the saddle had a great view, basically the same as the summit
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: MrH on November 09, 2021, 10:42:32 AM
Quote from: CaminoRacer on November 09, 2021, 10:26:41 AM
My knees were bad in middle school and high school. I grew quickly so they had to catch up. And I was always playing sports and tweaking my knees and ankles. They're fine now, and I do my best to protect them. But hiking does bother them. My last big hike I had to stop at the "saddle" of the mountain instead of the true summit, because I knew I had to hike 7 miles back downhill and my knees were already bothering me. At least the saddle had a great view, basically the same as the summit

It seems counter intuitive, but squatting regularly makes my knees feel best.  Strong legs hold joints together better during activities
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: CaminoRacer on November 09, 2021, 11:08:04 AM
Yeah, leg day and exercise bike help the most for me. As long as I don't overdo it with weights.
I've been running more on the treadmill too, which is good to an extent. I don't do more than 2-3 miles. More than that and my legs start to hurt.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Laconian on November 09, 2021, 11:16:41 AM
A runner friend of mine showed me how I jog down hills is wrong. Your knees take a lot of abuse when you put your feet far in front of your body. Your feet act like brakes and all of the stopping energy is propagated through your knees. It's better for your feet to connect closer to your body's centerline.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: MrH on November 09, 2021, 12:01:27 PM
Quote from: Laconian on November 09, 2021, 11:16:41 AM
A runner friend of mine showed me how I jog down hills is wrong. Your knees take a lot of abuse when you put your feet far in front of your body. Your feet act like brakes and all of the stopping energy is propagated through your knees. It's better for your feet to connect closer to your body's centerline.

I did my graduate Biomechanical Engineering course project on running form!  Midfoot strike is so much better for you body.  The impulse from heel striking + dorsiflexion of the foot is really what causes shin splints.  The world would be much better off if instead of everyone running 5Ks, half marathons, and full marathons for fun, if everyone competed in 400m races by age group :lol:.  Everyone would learn to run properly instead of trying to wrap their feet in pillows and heel strike for hours.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: CaminoRacer on November 09, 2021, 12:43:25 PM
I am a much better sprinter than endurance runner, so yes please sign me up for 400m races
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on November 09, 2021, 09:04:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocHFC03Wmbw
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on November 10, 2021, 02:04:51 AM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C7 on November 09, 2021, 09:04:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocHFC03Wmbw

I haven't watched his stuff all the way through before, as he was doing the Doug Score I was kinda shocked he was going so low but then even more shocked how high the Maverick scored. :lol:
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Rich on November 10, 2021, 03:49:08 AM
Any new word on your Maverick?
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: FoMoJo on November 10, 2021, 07:12:23 AM
I'm actually considering trading the Discovery Sport in for a Maverick.  Don't think my wife would be very happy about that though.

Personally, I'd rather have a new utility vehicle with a warranty than a 5 year old potentially high maintenance vehicle that may be on the verge of wearing something out...though it's been maintenance free so far, other than the usual service items.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on November 10, 2021, 07:55:09 AM
Quote from: Rich on November 10, 2021, 03:49:08 AM
Any new word on your Maverick?

Supposedly they're not even starting the hybrids until December. They should email us a VIN when they start and updates on when it finishes and ships.

My only worry is that we get to delivery time and the dealership tries to mark it up due to demand. My wife is a fighter though and won't be quiet in a showroom. :lol:

I've asked here to go in and have them sign the contract she signed- so it's "more" binding?
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on November 10, 2021, 07:57:13 AM
Quote from: FoMoJo on November 10, 2021, 07:12:23 AM
I'm actually considering trading the Discovery Sport in for a Maverick.  Don't think my wife would be very happy about that though.

Personally, I'd rather have a new utility vehicle with a warranty than a 5 year old potentially high maintenance vehicle that may be on the verge of wearing something out...though it's been maintenance free so far, other than the usual service items.

You should go watch the video that Gotta-Qik-C7 posted. The Maverick is NOT upscale, even with the upper trim packages. It's literally the cheapest vehicle Ford will be selling anymore, and I'm totally :wub: loving that they emphasized functionality over anything poseur. It's NOT pretending to be more expensive than it is! I'm totally down with that. My wife is too!

Your wife would have to be happy with an "economy" truck.  :ohyeah:
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: FoMoJo on November 10, 2021, 08:12:38 AM
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on November 10, 2021, 07:57:13 AM
You should go watch the video that Gotta-Qik-C7 posted. The Maverick is NOT upscale, even with the upper trim packages. It's literally the cheapest vehicle Ford will be selling anymore, and I'm totally :wub: loving that they emphasized functionality over anything poseur. It's NOT pretending to be more expensive than it is! I'm totally down with that. My wife is too!

Your wife would have to be happy with an "economy" truck.  :ohyeah:
That's exactly what I want, although I do prefer if the seats are comfortable.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: MX793 on November 10, 2021, 08:35:48 AM
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on November 10, 2021, 02:04:51 AM
I haven't watched his stuff all the way through before, as he was doing the Doug Score I was kinda shocked he was going so low but then even more shocked how high the Maverick scored. :lol:

His scale is absolute, not adjusted by vehicle type.  A Miata or Boxster is scored on the same handling or fun to drive scale as a Transit van.  Ergo, non-performance vehicles get really low scores.  For a "normal" vehicle, anything over 40 is pretty good.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 10, 2021, 08:43:11 AM
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on November 10, 2021, 07:57:13 AM
You should go watch the video that Gotta-Qik-C7 posted. The Maverick is NOT upscale, even with the upper trim packages. It's literally the cheapest vehicle Ford will be selling anymore, and I'm totally :wub: loving that they emphasized functionality over anything poseur. It's NOT pretending to be more expensive than it is! I'm totally down with that. My wife is too!

Your wife would have to be happy with an "economy" truck.  :ohyeah:

I would be fine with an economy truck. It would be upscale compared to my Jeep. All I need to haul is trash, lumber, and appliances.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Galaxy on November 10, 2021, 12:19:54 PM
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-C7 on November 09, 2021, 09:04:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocHFC03Wmbw


I think he hit the nail on the head, with his "cheap but cheerful" comment. Ford managed to avoid the grey plastic landscape on this vehicle. I also think that exposed wiring under the hood, on a vehicle this cheap is perfectly fine. On a Ford Bronco not so much.

Overall the value of this thing is impressive.

Quote from: FoMoJo on November 10, 2021, 08:12:38 AM
That's exactly what I want, although I do prefer if the seats are comfortable.

The reported high wind, road, tire noise might annoy you though.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Laconian on November 10, 2021, 12:37:51 PM
That was hammier than usual. It's like Doug is doing an impersonation of Doug DeMuro.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: FoMoJo on November 10, 2021, 12:39:56 PM
Quote from: Galaxy on November 10, 2021, 12:19:54 PM

The reported high wind, road, tire noise might annoy you though.
My hearing isn't what it used to be, so it might be okay.  As well, it might drown out my wife giving me instructions on my driving.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on November 10, 2021, 08:38:14 PM
Quote from: FoMoJo on November 10, 2021, 12:39:56 PM
My hearing isn't what it used to be, so it might be okay.  As well, it might drown out my wife giving me instructions on my driving.

:)

Since I have a big highway cruiser, Maverick will be commuter car for me. The upper trim has a quieter windshield? Thicker?
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on November 10, 2021, 08:39:50 PM
My main reason for getting one is practicality. On the Maverick forum asked why people are waiting for hybrids instead of getting the "better" (because it can tow more) turbo.

One guy replied: "Fuel economy is certainly on my radar with the hybrid also. Assuming that I were to get the combined MPG on average, and drove the Maverick 100,000 miles, the savings in fuel would be:
100,000 @ 37 mpg = 2,702 gallons
100,000 @ 23 mpg = 4,347 gallons
Difference of 1,645 gallons.

At current gas prices of about $3.50 a gallon where I live thats a savings of $5,757 over the first 100,000.

That doesn't include the price difference of the hybrid using regular 87 octane and the ecoboost needing the more expensive 91 octane fuel, or the fact that the worse gas prices get the more I'll save in the long run."
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: veeman on November 11, 2021, 07:52:32 AM
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on November 10, 2021, 08:38:14 PM
:)

Since I have a big highway cruiser, Maverick will be commuter car for me. The upper trim has a quieter windshield? Thicker?

Probably better windshield sealing my guess. I've never heard of different windshield thickness on the same model/year car based on model trim.  Unless you get a factory bulletproof glass option available on a few high end German luxury cars.  I'm just guessing though.  I'm pretty sure my prior base Crosstrek had wimpier/less windshield sealing compared with the upper level trim. 
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Speed_Racer on November 11, 2021, 10:37:40 AM
Quote from: veeman on November 11, 2021, 07:52:32 AM
Probably better windshield sealing my guess. I've never heard of different windshield thickness on the same model/year car based on model trim.  Unless you get a factory bulletproof glass option available on a few high end German luxury cars.  I'm just guessing though.  I'm pretty sure my prior base Crosstrek had wimpier/less windshield sealing compared with the upper level trim. 

My Lariat has an acoustic insulating windshield (and side glass maybe?) called Soundscreen that wasn't available on lower trims. For reduced road and wind noise. I wouldn't be surprised if they do the same for the Maverick.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on November 11, 2021, 11:29:49 AM
Quote from: Speed_Racer on November 11, 2021, 10:37:40 AM
My Lariat has an acoustic insulating windshield (and side glass maybe?) called Soundscreen that wasn't available on lower trims. For reduced road and wind noise. I wouldn't be surprised if they do the same for the Maverick.

It's part of the Maverick luxury package or Lariat package, I forget which.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: veeman on November 11, 2021, 04:31:22 PM
Quote from: Speed_Racer on November 11, 2021, 10:37:40 AM
My Lariat has an acoustic insulating windshield (and side glass maybe?) called Soundscreen that wasn't available on lower trims. For reduced road and wind noise. I wouldn't be surprised if they do the same for the Maverick.

Cool.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/soundproofguide.com/what-is-an-acoustic-windshield/amp/
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 11, 2021, 04:37:07 PM
I had SoundScreen in my Fiesta.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on November 11, 2021, 09:04:49 PM
https://fordauthority.com/2021/11/2022-ford-maverick-is-taking-just-five-days-to-turn/

Not surprised the Maverick is selling fast, a bit surprised it's seeking better than other hot vehicles.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on November 28, 2021, 07:24:05 AM
So I had a very boring video about the eCVT, most of it is breaking down the assembly and different versions.
Good part about how it actually works is about 20:38:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHU5xFOBcsU

This basic transmission design is used by Toyota in the 2016+ Prius, Ford Escape hybrid since 2006ish and Fusion hybrid, and the Chrysler Pacifica.

No goofy CVT stuff at all- it's just a bunch of gears connecting the two electric motors, ICE motor, and oil pump (for the ICE? or for the eCVT?) together.  I don't totally get how planetary gears etc... work but when one of the 3 motors doesn't produce output it doesn't push the gears pushing the drivewheels. Kind of like a differential "slips". So there likely isn't even a clutch for the ICE?
(see 20:38 in the video)

The third generation of the transmission is very similar to the original more than 15 years ago!!!  So it's a pretty solid design. That's actually very comforting as I was a little bit scared of the "new" technology but apparently don't need to worry about it.

ALSO note the little electric has permanent magnets in it, and acts as the main battery charger as well as starter battery charger, and also actually starts the engine from the starter battery. :confused:
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: Laconian on November 28, 2021, 02:42:20 PM
There was a hands-on Flash animation which demonstrated how the Power Split Device worked, but Flash doesn't work in modern browsers anymore :cry: http://eahart.com/prius/psd/

The Power Split Device is an absolute tour de force of engineering. In that Mirai video, the presenter mentioned that the engineers at Toyota go above and beyond for the projects that have caught Akio Toyoda's eye. You can really tell that the Prius benefited from that level of split polish. It's an extremely efficient design, having the gears permanently meshed with no clutches or slippage whatsoever.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on November 28, 2021, 07:44:40 PM
Yeah, the engineering is amazing!

Still waiting for a build date for ours. I guess since we ordered too much stuff we're at the back of the line. But we got the OEM spray-in bed liner, they changed it to drop-in a bit later. Supposedly they're not taking new orders until next spring or summer.
Title: Re: Ford Maverick
Post by: AutobahnSHO on November 29, 2021, 01:06:56 PM
This is fun- carrying 200lbs over max payload down a 'mountain' dirt road on stock hybrid setup and tires.

https://youtu.be/_cxGdlL-0OI