What do you guys think of these cars? How reliable were they? Would I be better off looking at an older but comparably priced 911?
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Just an example, but it's cheaper and newer than the 83 911SC at which I was looking.
A buddy in high school had an '83 non-turbo. It spent more time being repaired than being driven.
I had a 83 non turbo, reliability wasn't too bad if they are maintained.
From a performance aspect the 944 turbo is better "bang for your buck". With minor modifications they can be very very fast(sub 5's to sixty).
Parts availability would probobly be better for the 944 vs the 911 your looking at.
I have heard that the 944s were extremely reliable cars. And they are damn good looking. The turbo model is also very, very, fast, and cheap to maintain.
QuoteI have heard that the 944s were extremely reliable cars. And they are damn good looking. The turbo model is also very, very, fast, and cheap to maintain.
Cheap to maintain? Very reliable? Are we talking about the 944 Turbo here? :lol:
I think that they look awesome and are very, very fast, but I think the repair bills would be a big problem.
QuoteQuoteI have heard that the 944s were extremely reliable cars. And they are damn good looking. The turbo model is also very, very, fast, and cheap to maintain.
Cheap to maintain? Very reliable?
Cheap to maintian.... unless something breaks.
I thought you were gonna get a 3?
QuoteQuoteI have heard that the 944s were extremely reliable cars. And they are damn good looking. The turbo model is also very, very, fast, and cheap to maintain.
Cheap to maintain? Very reliable? Are we talking about the 944 Turbo here? :lol:
I think that they look awesome and are very, very fast, but I think the repair bills would be a big problem.
I thought I once heard that they were cheap to maintain since they were very reliable. I'll have to check up on that.
If you're looking at 911s, I would try to find one of the 1984-89 models. As R&T put it, they are "a classic Porsche without the classic problems". I dream of owing one someday. :praise:
I dunno...but it's amazing how all the older 9-- cars still look somewhat modern. Porsche did something right with that design. ^_^ B) I always get confused on what all the 9-- numbers mean. There's 944, 959, 911, etc...what do they all mean? Just different generations or are they completely different cars?
QuoteI dunno...but it's amazing how all the older 9-- cars still look somewhat modern. Porsche did something right with that design. ^_^ B) I always get confused on what all the 9-- numbers mean. There's 944, 959, 911, etc...what do they all mean? Just different generations or are they completely different cars?
That's confusing. It's something like this. There have been several models of Porsches throughout the years such as the 356, 944, 968, 914, 928, 924, and of course the 911.
There are different generations of 911s. These are designated with another 9-- code. The current gerneration is the 997, the previous gen was the 996, the one before that was the 993, and I think the one before that was the 968.
These numbers have nothing to do with displacement so they are just useless codes.
QuoteQuoteI dunno...but it's amazing how all the older 9-- cars still look somewhat modern. Porsche did something right with that design. ^_^ B) I always get confused on what all the 9-- numbers mean. There's 944, 959, 911, etc...what do they all mean? Just different generations or are they completely different cars?
That's confusing. It's something like this. There have been several models of Porsches throughout the years such as the 356, 944, 968, 914, 928, 924, and of course the 911.
There are different generations of 911s. These are designated with another 9-- code. The current gerneration is the 997, the previous gen was the 996, the one before that was the 993, and I think the one before that was the 968.
These numbers have nothing to do with displacement so they are just useless codes.
Alright that's what I figured...same car just different "generation", right?
QuoteQuoteQuoteI dunno...but it's amazing how all the older 9-- cars still look somewhat modern.? Porsche did something right with that design. ^_^? B)? I always get confused on what all the 9-- numbers mean.? There's 944, 959, 911, etc...what do they all mean?? Just different generations or are they completely different cars?
That's confusing. It's something like this. There have been several models of Porsches throughout the years such as the 356, 944, 968, 914, 928, 924, and of course the 911.
There are different generations of 911s. These are designated with another 9-- code. The current gerneration is the 997, the previous gen was the 996, the one before that was the 993, and I think the one before that was the 968.
These numbers have nothing to do with displacement so they are just useless codes.
Alright that's what I figured...same car just different "generation", right?
The 944 is not a 911. The 944 is a front engine, water cooled 4 cyl, 2+2.
The 944 evolved from the 924 and the 968 evolved from the 944.
QuoteI dunno...but it's amazing how all the older 9-- cars still look somewhat modern. Porsche did something right with that design. ^_^ B) I always get confused on what all the 9-- numbers mean. There's 944, 959, 911, etc...what do they all mean? Just different generations or are they completely different cars?
The 944 still looks like a modern design...even 15 years later. Its one of the best looking cars on the road today.
QuoteQuoteI dunno...but it's amazing how all the older 9-- cars still look somewhat modern. Porsche did something right with that design. ^_^ B) I always get confused on what all the 9-- numbers mean. There's 944, 959, 911, etc...what do they all mean? Just different generations or are they completely different cars?
The 944 still looks like a modern design...even 15 years later. Its one of the best looking cars on the road today.
It's deffinitely up there on that list...
QuoteQuoteI dunno...but it's amazing how all the older 9-- cars still look somewhat modern. Porsche did something right with that design. ^_^ B) I always get confused on what all the 9-- numbers mean. There's 944, 959, 911, etc...what do they all mean? Just different generations or are they completely different cars?
The 944 still looks like a modern design...even 15 years later. Its one of the best looking cars in the repair shop today.
Agreed.
QuoteQuoteQuoteI dunno...but it's amazing how all the older 9-- cars still look somewhat modern.? Porsche did something right with that design. ^_^? B)? I always get confused on what all the 9-- numbers mean.? There's 944, 959, 911, etc...what do they all mean?? Just different generations or are they completely different cars?
The 944 still looks like a modern design...even 15 years later. Its one of the best looking cars in the repair shop today.
Agreed.
Its not always in the repair shop. And it still is one of the best looking cars ever.
QuoteQuoteI dunno...but it's amazing how all the older 9-- cars still look somewhat modern. Porsche did something right with that design. ^_^ B) I always get confused on what all the 9-- numbers mean. There's 944, 959, 911, etc...what do they all mean? Just different generations or are they completely different cars?
That's confusing. It's something like this. There have been several models of Porsches throughout the years such as the 356, 944, 968, 914, 928, 924, and of course the 911.
There are different generations of 911s. These are designated with another 9-- code. The current gerneration is the 997, the previous gen was the 996, the one before that was the 993, and I think the one before that was the 968.
These numbers have nothing to do with displacement so they are just useless codes.
Accualy, the 968 was a front engine water cooled car, as opposed to the mid, or rear engine, air cooled (now water cooled) 911. ;)
QuoteQuoteQuoteI dunno...but it's amazing how all the older 9-- cars still look somewhat modern.? Porsche did something right with that design. ^_^? B)? I always get confused on what all the 9-- numbers mean.? There's 944, 959, 911, etc...what do they all mean?? Just different generations or are they completely different cars?
That's confusing. It's something like this. There have been several models of Porsches throughout the years such as the 356, 944, 968, 914, 928, 924, and of course the 911.
There are different generations of 911s. These are designated with another 9-- code. The current gerneration is the 997, the previous gen was the 996, the one before that was the 993, and I think the one before that was the 968.
These numbers have nothing to do with displacement so they are just useless codes.
Accualy, the 968 was a front engine water cooled car, as opposed to the mid, or rear engine, air cooled (now water cooled) 911. ;)
Yeah I know that. Those numbers are easy to mix up!
So the 1984-1989 models are 986s then right?
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI dunno...but it's amazing how all the older 9-- cars still look somewhat modern. Porsche did something right with that design. ^_^ B) I always get confused on what all the 9-- numbers mean. There's 944, 959, 911, etc...what do they all mean? Just different generations or are they completely different cars?
That's confusing. It's something like this. There have been several models of Porsches throughout the years such as the 356, 944, 968, 914, 928, 924, and of course the 911.
There are different generations of 911s. These are designated with another 9-- code. The current gerneration is the 997, the previous gen was the 996, the one before that was the 993, and I think the one before that was the 968.
These numbers have nothing to do with displacement so they are just useless codes.
Accualy, the 968 was a front engine water cooled car, as opposed to the mid, or rear engine, air cooled (now water cooled) 911. ;)
Yeah I know that. Those numbers are easy to mix up!
So the 1984-1989 models are 986s then right?
Something like that B)
I just found a Porsche 944 S from 87 for a little under 8K with only 59K miles on it.
QuoteI thought you were gonna get a 3?
I might keep the Passat and get a classic sportscar for weekend and/or sunny day driving. I'm looking that the 911, 944, RX7, among others.
QuoteI dunno...but it's amazing how all the older 9-- cars still look somewhat modern. Porsche did something right with that design. ^_^ B) I always get confused on what all the 9-- numbers mean. There's 944, 959, 911, etc...what do they all mean? Just different generations or are they completely different cars?
the 944, 911, 912, 924, and 928 are all different models. the 993, 996, 964, 997 are all generations of the 911.
QuoteQuoteI dunno...but it's amazing how all the older 9-- cars still look somewhat modern. Porsche did something right with that design. ^_^ B) I always get confused on what all the 9-- numbers mean. There's 944, 959, 911, etc...what do they all mean? Just different generations or are they completely different cars?
the 944, 911, 912, 924, and 928 are all different models. the 993, 996, 964, 997 are all generations of the 911.
I think they should make that more clear... <_< Oh well I don't really care anyway...just as long as I know the current model. B)
QuoteQuoteI have heard that the 944s were extremely reliable cars. And they are damn good looking. The turbo model is also very, very, fast, and cheap to maintain.
Cheap to maintain? Very reliable? Are we talking about the 944 Turbo here? :lol:
I think that they look awesome and are very, very fast, but I think the repair bills would be a big problem.
A buddy of mine owned two 944 turbos. First one, the oil change place (a bmw dealer!!!) put on the wrong oil filter. He ended up driving it for a few miles and it siezed up. Over $10,000 to rebuild the engine, so the dealer's insurance company totalled it.
Second one he put a chip in to increase the power. Wow, what a fast car. I personally had that one up to 155 mph.
That one too was a money pit. Regular, multi-thousand dollar repairs.
I was seriously looking into getting a 944 a couple of years ago and did quite a bit of research. The turbo models can be real money pits and the upkeep is frequent and costly. Non-turbo models are generally more wallet friendly. A newer S2 model is nearly as fast as the regular 951 (the 951S was the fastest of the 944 cars) and more reliable and cheaper to maintain. Modification wise, the 951 is a better car than the 944 for bang for buck upgrades. A simple chip, intake and exhaust and they are reported to run north of 170 mph flat out.
QuoteQuoteI dunno...but it's amazing how all the older 9-- cars still look somewhat modern. Porsche did something right with that design. ^_^ B) I always get confused on what all the 9-- numbers mean. There's 944, 959, 911, etc...what do they all mean? Just different generations or are they completely different cars?
the 944, 911, 912, 924, and 928 are all different models. the 993, 996, 964, 997 are all generations of the 911.
The 944 and 924 are related. The 944 evolved from the 924, though they were sold side by side for several years. I believe the 912 and 911 are also related (the 912 being a 4 cylinder, cut-rate version) but am not 100% certain.
Yeah, the 912 is a 4-banger 911.
QuoteYeah, the 912 is a 4-banger 911.
No, it is a completely different car.
QuoteQuoteYeah, the 912 is a 4-banger 911.
No, it is a completely different car.
I know they look almost identical.
http://www.912registry.org/history.htm (http://www.912registry.org/history.htm)
Seems it was a 356 Based car with a 911 body pretty much.
http://www.answers.com/topic/porsche (http://www.answers.com/topic/porsche)
" A cost-reduced model with the same body but 356-derived running gear (including its four-cylinder engine) was sold as the 912."
QuoteQuoteQuoteYeah, the 912 is a 4-banger 911.
No, it is a completely different car.
I know they look almost identical.
http://www.912registry.org/history.htm (http://www.912registry.org/history.htm)
Seems it was a 356 Based car with a 911 body pretty much.
http://www.answers.com/topic/porsche (http://www.answers.com/topic/porsche)
" A cost-reduced model with the same body but 356-derived running gear (including its four-cylinder engine) was sold as the 912."
The 914 is what I was thinking of.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...4553150500&rd=1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6432&item=4553150500&rd=1)
Porsche 928
These are cool, a bit funny lookinc but neat nonetheless. Quite cheap. 4.5L V8
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Porsche 968
A bit better looking but probably not as quick. 3.0L inline 4.
Much newer too. The coupe versions like this one are hard to find, most are cabriolets.
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But when it comes down to bang for the buck, the 944 turbo is probably your best choise.
I remember you saying you had about $12,000 to spend, so something like this would be perfect.
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Only a few little problems, plus it has a new timing belt.
My dad had one back in '91... a RED one.
He sold it because it was a money pit.
i'd stay away from all porsches...
Quotei'd stay away from all porsches...
Why? They are truly amazing machines, and not every one is a money pit.
QuoteQuotei'd stay away from all porsches...
Why? They are truly amazing machines, and not every one is a money pit.
i know, but a lady i know says that she's been driving porsches from 1956, and she says that you'd better know a pretty good mechanic...
QuoteQuoteQuotei'd stay away from all porsches...
Why? They are truly amazing machines, and not every one is a money pit.
i know, but a lady i know says that she's been driving porsches from 1956, and she says that you'd better know a pretty good mechanic...
You could say that about a lot of cars if she was turly driving them from 56. The fact is that you cant base your opinion on one lady, and there are some Porsches that are known to be uber reliable.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotei'd stay away from all porsches...
Why? They are truly amazing machines, and not every one is a money pit.
i know, but a lady i know says that she's been driving porsches from 1956, and she says that you'd better know a pretty good mechanic...
You could say that about a lot of cars if she was turly driving them from 56. The fact is that you cant base your opinion on one lady, and there are some Porsches that are known to be uber reliable.
i'm just quoting someone with tons of experience.
If I had to choose one company that I'd have to drive cars from for the rest of my life, it would be Porsche.
I've heard nothing but good things about reliability, save for a few models.
QuoteIf I had to choose one company that I'd have to drive cars from for the rest of my life, it would be Porsche.
I've heard nothing but good things about reliability, save for a few models.
Of course not every Porsche is so reliable, but nonetheless, there are tons of Porsches out there that have been deemed bulletproof.
QuoteQuoteIf I had to choose one company that I'd have to drive cars from for the rest of my life, it would be Porsche.
I've heard nothing but good things about reliability, save for a few models.
Of course not every Porsche is so reliable, but nonetheless, there are tons of Porsches out there that have been deemed bulletproof.
some are lemonish, others aren't.
QuoteIf I had to choose one company that I'd have to drive cars from for the rest of my life, it would be Porsche.
Not going to argue with that at all. Porsches are the perfect everyday sports cars
QuoteQuoteIf I had to choose one company that I'd have to drive cars from for the rest of my life, it would be Porsche.
Not going to argue with that at all. Porsches are the perfect everyday sports cars
and SUV's. ;)
QuoteQuoteQuoteIf I had to choose one company that I'd have to drive cars from for the rest of my life, it would be Porsche.
Not going to argue with that at all. Porsches are the perfect everyday sports cars
and SUV's. ;)
Not likely, give me a RR Sport any day. Almost as much performance, more offroad capability, cheaper, and not sacrireligous (spelling?)
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIf I had to choose one company that I'd have to drive cars from for the rest of my life, it would be Porsche.
Not going to argue with that at all. Porsches are the perfect everyday sports cars
and SUV's. ;)
Not likely, give me a RR Sport any day. Almost as much performance, more offroad capability, cheaper, and not sacrireligous (spelling?)
sacrilegious ;)
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIf I had to choose one company that I'd have to drive cars from for the rest of my life, it would be Porsche.
Not going to argue with that at all. Porsches are the perfect everyday sports cars
and SUV's. ;)
Not likely, give me a RR Sport any day. Almost as much performance, more offroad capability, cheaper, and not sacrireligous (spelling?)
sacrilegious ;)
:praise:
QuoteQuoteIf I had to choose one company that I'd have to drive cars from for the rest of my life, it would be Porsche.
Not going to argue with that at all. Porsches are the perfect everyday sports cars
I've said it before (and it was reinforced, as I drove the 83 911SC yesterday)...
"I'd rather drive an old Porsche than a new anything else"
QuoteQuoteQuoteIf I had to choose one company that I'd have to drive cars from for the rest of my life, it would be Porsche.
Not going to argue with that at all. Porsches are the perfect everyday sports cars
I've said it before (and it was reinforced, as I drove the 83 911SC yesterday)...
"I'd rather drive an old Porsche than a new anything else"
What about a new Porsche :lol:
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIf I had to choose one company that I'd have to drive cars from for the rest of my life, it would be Porsche.
Not going to argue with that at all. Porsches are the perfect everyday sports cars
I've said it before (and it was reinforced, as I drove the 83 911SC yesterday)...
"I'd rather drive an old Porsche than a new anything else"
What about a new Porsche :lol:
That's even better. Obviously.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIf I had to choose one company that I'd have to drive cars from for the rest of my life, it would be Porsche.
Not going to argue with that at all. Porsches are the perfect everyday sports cars
I've said it before (and it was reinforced, as I drove the 83 911SC yesterday)...
"I'd rather drive an old Porsche than a new anything else"
What about a new Porsche :lol:
That's even better. Obviously.
:lol:
But I really want a 944 Turbo.
So stop flapping your fingers and go buy one.
Geez.........
QuoteSo stop flapping your fingers and go buy one.
Geez.........
I know! I saw one today and it still looks brand new, styling wise :)
QuoteSo stop flapping your fingers and go buy one.
Geez.........
I'm not very liquid right now...
QuoteQuoteSo stop flapping your fingers and go buy one.
Geez.........
I'm not very liquid right now...
Are you saying you dont have cash?
QuoteQuoteQuoteSo stop flapping your fingers and go buy one.
Geez.........
I'm not very liquid right now...
Are you saying you dont have cash?
In this context, I would assume that is what he means. It could also mean that he has no quick way to get cash, like if he has a lot of money saved up but can't get to it without penalities or he has numerous possessions that are worth a lot that would take a while to sell (both cars and houses).
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSo stop flapping your fingers and go buy one.
Geez.........
I'm not very liquid right now...
Are you saying you dont have cash?
In this context, I would assume that is what he means. It could also mean that he has no quick way to get cash, like if he has a lot of money saved up but can't get to it without penalities or he has numerous possessions that are worth a lot that would take a while to sell (both cars and houses).
Bingo.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSo stop flapping your fingers and go buy one.
Geez.........
I'm not very liquid right now...
Are you saying you dont have cash?
In this context, I would assume that is what he means. It could also mean that he has no quick way to get cash, like if he has a lot of money saved up but can't get to it without penalities or he has numerous possessions that are worth a lot that would take a while to sell (both cars and houses).
Bingo.
i thought you were rich.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSo stop flapping your fingers and go buy one.
Geez.........
I'm not very liquid right now...
Are you saying you dont have cash?
In this context, I would assume that is what he means. It could also mean that he has no quick way to get cash, like if he has a lot of money saved up but can't get to it without penalities or he has numerous possessions that are worth a lot that would take a while to sell (both cars and houses).
Bingo.
i thought you were rich.
My parents are...I personally am not very liquid.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotei'd stay away from all porsches...
Why? They are truly amazing machines, and not every one is a money pit.
i know, but a lady i know says that she's been driving porsches from 1956, and she says that you'd better know a pretty good mechanic...
You could say that about a lot of cars if she was turly driving them from 56. The fact is that you cant base your opinion on one lady, and there are some Porsches that are known to be uber reliable.
The claims of Porsche reliability are all relative. Compared to other European sports cars, Porsches are and have historically been very reliable. That does not mean they are bulletproof on an absolute automotive scale. Owning a Porsche means greater maintenance (cost and frequency) than something like a Toyota Camry. They are not quite as bulletproof as true daily drivers, but are reliable for what they are. Newer ones are pretty reliable even on the total scale of cars, as I understand it.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuotei'd stay away from all porsches...
Why? They are truly amazing machines, and not every one is a money pit.
i know, but a lady i know says that she's been driving porsches from 1956, and she says that you'd better know a pretty good mechanic...
You could say that about a lot of cars if she was turly driving them from 56. The fact is that you cant base your opinion on one lady, and there are some Porsches that are known to be uber reliable.
The claims of Porsche reliability are all relative. Compared to other European sports cars, Porsches are and have historically been very reliable. That does not mean they are bulletproof on an absolute automotive scale. Owning a Porsche means greater maintenance (cost and frequency) than something like a Toyota Camry. They are not quite as bulletproof as true daily drivers, but are reliable for what they are. Newer ones are pretty reliable even on the total scale of cars, as I understand it.
Few cars are as reliable on an absolute scale as a Toyota Camry.
I figure a 911 will be more reliable, just because it's naturally aspirated, but hell, you only live once, right?