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Title: V8 1 Series
Post by: Fire It Up on June 09, 2005, 03:09:08 PM
http://www.fast-autos.net/hartge/hartgeh1.html (http://www.fast-autos.net/hartge/hartgeh1.html)
Title: V8 1 Series
Post by: Fire It Up on June 09, 2005, 03:09:50 PM
This thing goes 188. Can you say "dayum"?
Title: V8 1 Series
Post by: TBR on June 09, 2005, 03:10:51 PM
0-60 has to be less than 4.5 seconds, but very impressive none-the-less.  
Title: V8 1 Series
Post by: BMWDave on June 09, 2005, 03:27:09 PM
Quote0-60 has to be less than 4.5 seconds, but very impressive none-the-less.
I was thinking the same thing, but 450hp in a tiny hatch and only 4.5 isnt that impressive.
Title: V8 1 Series
Post by: TBR on June 09, 2005, 03:28:24 PM
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Quote0-60 has to be less than 4.5 seconds, but very impressive none-the-less.
I was thinking the same thing, but 450hp in a tiny hatch and only 4.5 isnt that impressive.
The curb weight was 3200 lb. And, I think stuffing a big V8 in a little hatchback is impressive engineering. The numbers are probably just conservative.  
Title: V8 1 Series
Post by: BMWDave on June 09, 2005, 03:33:25 PM
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Quote0-60 has to be less than 4.5 seconds, but very impressive none-the-less.
I was thinking the same thing, but 450hp in a tiny hatch and only 4.5 isnt that impressive.
The curb weight was 3200 lb. And, I think stuffing a big V8 in a little hatchback is impressive engineering. The numbers are probably just conservative.
I sure hope so.  And I agree, stuffing a V8 is impressive.
Title: V8 1 Series
Post by: Raza on June 09, 2005, 05:09:20 PM
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Quote0-60 has to be less than 4.5 seconds, but very impressive none-the-less.
I was thinking the same thing, but 450hp in a tiny hatch and only 4.5 isnt that impressive.
The curb weight was 3200 lb. And, I think stuffing a big V8 in a little hatchback is impressive engineering. The numbers are probably just conservative.
3200 pounds?  Well, this should get similar acceleration to the Corvette, but I imagine a little slower (probably worse traction off the line, a less slippery design).  4.5 seems like a good estimate, though I imagine a hair quicker or two is easily attainable.
Title: V8 1 Series
Post by: Fire It Up on June 09, 2005, 05:15:44 PM
This is probably as fast as that HPA R32 turbo...
Title: V8 1 Series
Post by: Raza on June 09, 2005, 05:17:57 PM
QuoteThis is probably as fast as that HPA R32 turbo...
Not exactly. The HPA has about 100 more bhp and AWD.

"When a Volkswagen Golf can wipe the floor with a Ferrari Enzo, we take notice. Perhaps the phrase 'wipe the floor' is a little overzealous, but when Ferrari claims a 0-100km/h acceleration time of 3.3 seconds for its Enzo, and American VW/Audi tuning specialists HPA hit the same speed in 3.2 seconds in a Golf, we start to drool."

HPA VW R32 (http://www.streetracersonline.com/articles/hpar32/)
Title: V8 1 Series
Post by: giant_mtb on June 09, 2005, 06:42:23 PM
Very cool...is it faster than that V-8 Focus?!  :o  
Title: V8 1 Series
Post by: TBR on June 09, 2005, 06:48:54 PM
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QuoteThis is probably as fast as that HPA R32 turbo...
Not exactly. The HPA has about 100 more bhp and AWD.

"When a Volkswagen Golf can wipe the floor with a Ferrari Enzo, we take notice. Perhaps the phrase 'wipe the floor' is a little overzealous, but when Ferrari claims a 0-100km/h acceleration time of 3.3 seconds for its Enzo, and American VW/Audi tuning specialists HPA hit the same speed in 3.2 seconds in a Golf, we start to drool."

HPA VW R32 (http://www.streetracersonline.com/articles/hpar32/)
That is one incredibly awesome little car. It completely redefines the meaning hot hatch.  
Title: V8 1 Series
Post by: Tom on June 09, 2005, 08:21:31 PM
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QuoteThis is probably as fast as that HPA R32 turbo...
Not exactly. The HPA has about 100 more bhp and AWD.

"When a Volkswagen Golf can wipe the floor with a Ferrari Enzo, we take notice. Perhaps the phrase 'wipe the floor' is a little overzealous, but when Ferrari claims a 0-100km/h acceleration time of 3.3 seconds for its Enzo, and American VW/Audi tuning specialists HPA hit the same speed in 3.2 seconds in a Golf, we start to drool."

HPA VW R32 (http://www.streetracersonline.com/articles/hpar32/)
That's really cool.
Title: V8 1 Series
Post by: Raza on June 10, 2005, 01:30:40 PM
QuoteVery cool...is it faster than that V-8 Focus?!  :o
I can't find specs for the RS8, but I imagine it is faster than it.  The R32 has AWD and 130bhp more, whereas the RWD-only RS8 has 420bhp.  Traction is everything to 60.
Title: V8 1 Series
Post by: BMWDave on June 10, 2005, 01:35:04 PM
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QuoteVery cool...is it faster than that V-8 Focus?!  :o
I can't find specs for the RS8, but I imagine it is faster than it.  The R32 has AWD and 130bhp more, whereas the RWD-only RS8 has 420bhp.  Traction is everything to 60.
Check MTs site, and search for the Focus.  They have an article on it versus a Lambo, so you'll probably find specs there.
Title: V8 1 Series
Post by: TBR on June 10, 2005, 01:35:30 PM
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QuoteVery cool...is it faster than that V-8 Focus?!  :o
I can't find specs for the RS8, but I imagine it is faster than it.  The R32 has AWD and 130bhp more, whereas the RWD-only RS8 has 420bhp.  Traction is everything to 60.
Or at least it is when you are talking over 250-300 hp (below that AWD can actually be a hindrance).
Title: V8 1 Series
Post by: Raza on June 10, 2005, 01:53:28 PM
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QuoteVery cool...is it faster than that V-8 Focus?!  :o
I can't find specs for the RS8, but I imagine it is faster than it.  The R32 has AWD and 130bhp more, whereas the RWD-only RS8 has 420bhp.  Traction is everything to 60.
Check MTs site, and search for the Focus.  They have an article on it versus a Lambo, so you'll probably find specs there.
I tried that, but I couldn't find them.
Title: V8 1 Series
Post by: TBR on June 10, 2005, 01:55:11 PM
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QuoteVery cool...is it faster than that V-8 Focus?!  :o
I can't find specs for the RS8, but I imagine it is faster than it.  The R32 has AWD and 130bhp more, whereas the RWD-only RS8 has 420bhp.  Traction is everything to 60.
Check MTs site, and search for the Focus.  They have an article on it versus a Lambo, so you'll probably find specs there.
I tried that, but I couldn't find them.
Link (http://motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0408_mismatched_wp/)
Title: V8 1 Series
Post by: Raza on June 10, 2005, 01:55:23 PM
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QuoteVery cool...is it faster than that V-8 Focus?!  :o
I can't find specs for the RS8, but I imagine it is faster than it.  The R32 has AWD and 130bhp more, whereas the RWD-only RS8 has 420bhp.  Traction is everything to 60.
Or at least it is when you are talking over 250-300 hp (below that AWD can actually be a hindrance).
I wouldn't say a hindrance.  It depends on the power/weight ratio.  A 5000 pound AWD car with 200bhp will be a lot slower than a 170bhp FWD car weighing only 3000 pounds.  

Title: V8 1 Series
Post by: Raza on June 10, 2005, 01:56:41 PM
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QuoteVery cool...is it faster than that V-8 Focus?!  :o
I can't find specs for the RS8, but I imagine it is faster than it.  The R32 has AWD and 130bhp more, whereas the RWD-only RS8 has 420bhp.  Traction is everything to 60.
Check MTs site, and search for the Focus.  They have an article on it versus a Lambo, so you'll probably find specs there.
I tried that, but I couldn't find them.
Link (http://motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0408_mismatched_wp/)
Are there any specs there?  Just the prices, then the article ends.
Title: V8 1 Series
Post by: TBR on June 10, 2005, 01:57:36 PM
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QuoteVery cool...is it faster than that V-8 Focus?!  :o
I can't find specs for the RS8, but I imagine it is faster than it.  The R32 has AWD and 130bhp more, whereas the RWD-only RS8 has 420bhp.  Traction is everything to 60.
Check MTs site, and search for the Focus.  They have an article on it versus a Lambo, so you'll probably find specs there.
I tried that, but I couldn't find them.
Link (http://motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0408_mismatched_wp/)
Are there any specs there?  Just the prices, then the article ends.
Yeah, I will look some more.  
Title: V8 1 Series
Post by: TBR on June 10, 2005, 02:01:19 PM
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QuoteVery cool...is it faster than that V-8 Focus?!  :o
I can't find specs for the RS8, but I imagine it is faster than it.  The R32 has AWD and 130bhp more, whereas the RWD-only RS8 has 420bhp.  Traction is everything to 60.
Or at least it is when you are talking over 250-300 hp (below that AWD can actually be a hindrance).
I wouldn't say a hindrance.  It depends on the power/weight ratio.  A 5000 pound AWD car with 200bhp will be a lot slower than a 170bhp FWD car weighing only 3000 pounds.
It can be a hindrance, the A4 1.8t for example is slow in the 0-60 run because you need higher rpms to get boost but  Quattro AWD prevents the wheels from spinning resulting in the car bogging down to a lower rpm when you drop the clutch.

Here is the full article (http://www.stangbangers.com/04_FordRacingFocusRS8vsLamborghiniGallardo_Article.htm) (0-60 in 4.4 seconds)
Title: V8 1 Series
Post by: Raza on June 10, 2005, 02:03:29 PM
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QuoteVery cool...is it faster than that V-8 Focus?!  :o
I can't find specs for the RS8, but I imagine it is faster than it.  The R32 has AWD and 130bhp more, whereas the RWD-only RS8 has 420bhp.  Traction is everything to 60.
Or at least it is when you are talking over 250-300 hp (below that AWD can actually be a hindrance).
I wouldn't say a hindrance.  It depends on the power/weight ratio.  A 5000 pound AWD car with 200bhp will be a lot slower than a 170bhp FWD car weighing only 3000 pounds.
It can be a hindrance, the A4 1.8t for example is slow in the 0-60 run because you need higher rpms to get boost but  Quattro AWD prevents the wheels from spinning resulting in the car bogging down to a lower rpm when you drop the clutch.

Here is the full article (http://www.stangbangers.com/04_FordRacingFocusRS8vsLamborghiniGallardo_Article.htm) (0-60 in 4.4 seconds)
Yup, but if the A4 weighed less, it wouldn't be a hindrance, really.

4.4 seconds isn't bad, but a Caterham could kill it for far less.

Title: V8 1 Series
Post by: TBR on June 10, 2005, 02:05:53 PM
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QuoteVery cool...is it faster than that V-8 Focus?!  :o
I can't find specs for the RS8, but I imagine it is faster than it.  The R32 has AWD and 130bhp more, whereas the RWD-only RS8 has 420bhp.  Traction is everything to 60.
Or at least it is when you are talking over 250-300 hp (below that AWD can actually be a hindrance).
I wouldn't say a hindrance.  It depends on the power/weight ratio.  A 5000 pound AWD car with 200bhp will be a lot slower than a 170bhp FWD car weighing only 3000 pounds.
It can be a hindrance, the A4 1.8t for example is slow in the 0-60 run because you need higher rpms to get boost but  Quattro AWD prevents the wheels from spinning resulting in the car bogging down to a lower rpm when you drop the clutch.

Here is the full article (http://www.stangbangers.com/04_FordRacingFocusRS8vsLamborghiniGallardo_Article.htm) (0-60 in 4.4 seconds)
Yup, but if the A4 weighed less, it wouldn't be a hindrance, really.

4.4 seconds isn't bad, but a Caterham could kill it for far less.
Definitely, the RS8 is really pointless since it isn't a practical daily driver and there are numerous cars that will keep up with it in the straightline and kill it on the autocross parking lot.  
Title: V8 1 Series
Post by: Fire It Up on June 10, 2005, 02:10:59 PM
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QuoteThis is probably as fast as that HPA R32 turbo...
Not exactly. The HPA has about 100 more bhp and AWD.

"When a Volkswagen Golf can wipe the floor with a Ferrari Enzo, we take notice. Perhaps the phrase 'wipe the floor' is a little overzealous, but when Ferrari claims a 0-100km/h acceleration time of 3.3 seconds for its Enzo, and American VW/Audi tuning specialists HPA hit the same speed in 3.2 seconds in a Golf, we start to drool."

HPA VW R32 (http://www.streetracersonline.com/articles/hpar32/)
NVM then. I thought (wrong) that it was close.
Title: V8 1 Series
Post by: 850CSi on June 12, 2005, 09:08:17 AM
I imagine that V8 1-Series would feel a little too nose-heavy, though...
Title: V8 1 Series
Post by: BMWDave on June 12, 2005, 09:32:59 AM
QuoteI imagine that V8 1-Series would feel a little too nose-heavy, though...
It probably would, and it sort of defeats the purpose of the BMW if it makes it lose its 50/50 weight distribution.
Title: V8 1 Series
Post by: Raza on June 12, 2005, 10:32:51 AM
Let's not forget that the BMW 3.0 litre I6 is the size of an LS1.  
Title: V8 1 Series
Post by: TBR on June 12, 2005, 11:23:26 AM
QuoteI imagine that V8 1-Series would feel a little too nose-heavy, though...
It probably wouldn't be too bad.  
Title: V8 1 Series
Post by: Raza on June 12, 2005, 11:29:59 AM
QuoteI imagine that V8 1-Series would feel a little too nose-heavy, though...
I imagine you're a little nose heavy, douche!

Anyway, it's a hatch.  They've got FWD Saab hatches (and sedans) with better weight distribution than RWD coupes, such as the G35 or GTO.
Title: V8 1 Series
Post by: 850CSi on June 12, 2005, 11:38:55 PM
QuoteLet's not forget that the BMW 3.0 litre I6 is the size of an LS1.
And the LS1 is not what's being put into the 1-Series, it's a HUGE BMW V8.
Title: V8 1 Series
Post by: 850CSi on June 12, 2005, 11:39:19 PM
I think I'd rather have a supercharged 130i.
Title: V8 1 Series
Post by: Raza on June 13, 2005, 01:31:16 PM
QuoteI think I'd rather have a supercharged 130i.
I'd rather have an M3 GTR, but the world isn't so great, eh?