Lightning

[AutobahnSHO]

I know it's a Big Guy, but the electric piece of it is pertinent here.

Crazy good range maybe?!?!!!!

https://insideevs.com/news/510259/ford-f150-lightning-first-impressions/

[ChrisV]

https://news.yahoo.com/fords-head-evs-explains-f-125200166.html

In that article Ford's head of EVs says "The company is targeting an EPA-estimated range of 300 miles for its extended-range model, and, according to Palmer, it achieved that with 1,000 pounds in the bed and without a bed cover. So drivers may end up surprised by how much range they're getting rather than disappointed by it, especially if they add a drag-reducing tonneau cover and don't haul very much."

[ChrisV]

https://youtu.be/J2npVg9ONFo

[AutobahnSHO]

I think it's better to under state and over deliver. Comments say that Tesla barely makes EPA standards if at all.....

[FoMoJo]

I want them to make a performance model called "Greased" Lightning.

[GoCougs]

I think it's better to under state and over deliver. Comments say that Tesla barely makes EPA standards if at all.....

Not so different than ICE cars, really (i.e., automakers are good at gaming the tests, ESPECIALLY with turbo motors).

If people and corporations really cared about the environment they stop with the funny business of pickup trucks no matter how they're powered.

[Morris Minor]

Not so different than ICE cars, really (i.e., automakers are good at gaming the tests, ESPECIALLY with turbo motors).

If people and corporations really cared about the environment they stop with the funny business of pickup trucks no matter how they're powered.

   
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[FoMoJo]

Not so different than ICE cars, really (i.e., automakers are good at gaming the tests, ESPECIALLY with turbo motors).

If people and corporations really cared about the environment they stop with the funny business of pickup trucks no matter how they're powered.

Pickups became popular during the '70s when, as commercial vehicles, they were thought to be exempt from the anti-pollution power throttling energy crisis of that era.  They caught on as some sort of anti-social status symbol.

[CaminoRacer]

If people and corporations really cared about the environment they stop with the funny business of pickup trucks no matter how they're powered.

Very true.

[MrH]

This is hands down the most compelling EV out there.  I think I'm going to throw in my $100 for a reservation.  No idea if I will actually pull the trigger when it's time, but it sounds like you'll be right around $50k for an XLT w/ premium package after the tax credit.

The biggest downside of trucks is the fuel economy, but the Lightning resolves that.  No real maintenance besides tires and brakes.  Massive utility and comfort, absurd performance.  No need to wait for things to warm up.  It's a giant, luxurious, practical golf cart   Very appealing as a daily driver and the pricing is aggressive.

[shp4man]

I love trucks. No political statement is involved. I learned how to drive in the old man's 1955 International. They just have a certain utilitarian charm.
Plus, you can haul stuff..

[CaminoRacer]

I don't think it'll be easy to get a Lightning for like the first 3 years.

[NomisR]

This is hands down the most compelling EV out there.  I think I'm going to throw in my $100 for a reservation.  No idea if I will actually pull the trigger when it's time, but it sounds like you'll be right around $50k for an XLT w/ premium package after the tax credit.

The biggest downside of trucks is the fuel economy, but the Lightning resolves that.  No real maintenance besides tires and brakes.  Massive utility and comfort, absurd performance.  No need to wait for things to warm up.  It's a giant, luxurious, practical golf cart   Very appealing as a daily driver and the pricing is aggressive.

Definitely, I wouldn't mind getting one but I don't think it'll fit in my space in the garage with all the stuff in front of it.

[SJ_GTI]

It seems like a great truck, but I just prefer smaller vehicles. Will be interesting to see if/how it changes the EV landscape.

[CaminoRacer]

I'm waiting for the Chevy electric crate engine kit so I can turn the El Camino into a better truck than the Lightning

[shp4man]

Just FYI, the battery pack for the Mustang E weights 1300 pounds and replacement cost totals the vehicle.

[MrH]

Smaller vehicles for fun, definitely.  I haul stuff to the dump, or things from home depot constantly.  I get why people daily trucks from a utility stand point, especially in Ohio.  Parking spaces and garages are all huge.

[afty]

Ford is doubling Lightning production because of high demand: https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/exclusive-ford-doubles-lightning-production-target-strong-pre-launch-demand-2021-08-23/

[SJ_GTI]

Interesting, I didn't realize they are planning to redesign the truck after just a couple of years. I'd probably avoid the first gen models just because of that fact alone.

[r0tor]

Ford is doubling Lightning production because of high demand: https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/exclusive-ford-doubles-lightning-production-target-strong-pre-launch-demand-2021-08-23/

So they will reach Tesla model 3 sales by.... Never

[MrH]

Interesting, I didn't realize they are planning to redesign the truck after just a couple of years. I'd probably avoid the first gen models just because of that fact alone.

They redesign the F150 every 5 years.  Late 2025 would be a 2026 model year, which makes sense.  The current F150 debuted as a 2021 model year.  The lightning is just coming 2 years into the cycle.  I'm sure it'll just be developed and launched with the new F150 moving forward.

[CaminoRacer]

They redesign the F150 every 5 years.  Late 2025 would be a 2026 model year, which makes sense.  The current F150 debuted as a 2021 model year.  The lightning is just coming 2 years into the cycle.  I'm sure it'll just be developed and launched with the new F150 moving forward.

Yep. And I'm sure it'll be a bigger emphasis in the lineup for the next gen.

[r0tor]

All the more reason to wait if anyone was seriously considering one

[CaminoRacer]

Leases are popular with EVs now, since most people think they'll have a lot of better options in 3 years.

[Speed_Racer]

I'm waiting to see what lease returns end up costing

[MrH]

The ridiculous idea of offering $13,500 in EV credits for a made in the USA, UAW vehicle has me keeping my spot on the reservation list.  I hate the game, but if they're going to throw out that kind of money, I'll take advantage, even if a new F150 is coming out two years later

[Laconian]

Welfare queen!

[SJ_GTI]

The ridiculous idea of offering $13,500 in EV credits for a made in the USA, UAW vehicle has me keeping my spot on the reservation list.  I hate the game, but if they're going to throw out that kind of money, I'll take advantage, even if a new F150 is coming out two years later

That would indeed be hard to pass up.

[MrH]

Welfare queen!

I'll let you in on a little secret:

I also work to minimize my tax burden!  FUCK DA FEDS!

[Morris Minor]

The incumbents, like Ford/UAW, have to use government force to reach into taxpayers' pockets to stay in business and keep new competitors & innovators out. What does this tell us about their underlying weakness?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Innovator%27s_Dilemma