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What a family vehicle!
QuoteWhat a family vehicle!
BMW is making an M5 wagon also :praise: , although I dont know if that is coming to the US.
That may be one of the biggest sleepers of all-time. :rockon:
That car can do anything.
The only thing keeping it from being perfect is that it's a wagon, not a low slung italian convertable.
QuoteThat car can do anything.
The only thing keeping it from being perfect is that it's a wagon, not a low slung italian convertable.
:rolleyes:
Thats awesome. :rockon:
Zero to 100 mph: 9.7 sec :o
QuoteZero to 100 mph: 9.7 sec :o
That's roughly 1.4 seconds SLOWER than my car*
*gets to 60mph
QuoteQuoteZero to 100 mph: 9.7 sec :o
That's roughly 1.4 seconds SLOWER than my car*
*gets to 60mph
Sick. :o All it needs now is some low profile LED blue lights. ;)
what a family vehicle.
Wimmer is that what you are getting your future wife?
Quotewhat a family vehicle.
Wimmer is that what you are getting your future wife?
i think he'll keep it for himself
A true sleeper, although once the cops figure out what it is they will just have to pressure him to some corners and he'll slow down...
How come some AMG cars never really have good handling? I mean if they're going to have so much power and speed, couldn't they at least give it some better twisties' hardware? In this case, the weight bias changed and that's it. Sure, it raised the g's from .83 to .85, but does that really coincide with the power/speed increase? Of course not... <_< :rolleyes: (I'm sure I'll get bitched at for this one - but I don't really like Benz at all)
QuoteA true sleeper, although once the cops figure out what it is they will just have to pressure him to some corners and he'll slow down...
How come some AMG cars never really have good handling? I mean if they're going to have so much power and speed, couldn't they at least give it some better twisties' hardware? In this case, the weight bias changed and that's it. Sure, it raised the g's from .83 to .85, but does that really coincide with the power/speed increase? Of course not... <_< :rolleyes: (I'm sure I'll get bitched at for this one - but I don't really like Benz at all)
AMG's handle just fine in the twisties, but thats really BMW's area of expertise. AMG vehicles excel at fast cruising comfort. They are brutally fast, but at the same time, comfortable for everyday.
QuoteQuoteA true sleeper, although once the cops figure out what it is they will just have to pressure him to some corners and he'll slow down...
How come some AMG cars never really have good handling? I mean if they're going to have so much power and speed, couldn't they at least give it some better twisties' hardware? In this case, the weight bias changed and that's it. Sure, it raised the g's from .83 to .85, but does that really coincide with the power/speed increase? Of course not... <_< :rolleyes: (I'm sure I'll get bitched at for this one - but I don't really like Benz at all)
AMG's handle just fine in the twisties, but thats really BMW's area of expertise. AMG vehicles excel at fast cruising comfort. They are brutally fast, but at the same time, comfortable for everyday.
But the only sporty part about them is their grunt. If I had a car that had 470 horses and can do 0-60 in 4.1 seconds, I think I'd want a little more than .85 g's in the limber parts. It's non-proportional...the sheer power just overpowers the handling of the car, and Benz doesn't do a damn thing about it...
QuoteQuoteQuoteA true sleeper, although once the cops figure out what it is they will just have to pressure him to some corners and he'll slow down...
How come some AMG cars never really have good handling? I mean if they're going to have so much power and speed, couldn't they at least give it some better twisties' hardware? In this case, the weight bias changed and that's it. Sure, it raised the g's from .83 to .85, but does that really coincide with the power/speed increase? Of course not... <_< :rolleyes: (I'm sure I'll get bitched at for this one - but I don't really like Benz at all)
AMG's handle just fine in the twisties, but thats really BMW's area of expertise. AMG vehicles excel at fast cruising comfort. They are brutally fast, but at the same time, comfortable for everyday.
But the only sporty part about them is their grunt. If I had a car that had 470 horses and can do 0-60 in 4.1 seconds, I think I'd want a little more than .85 g's in the limber parts. It's non-proportional...the sheer power just overpowers the handling of the car, and Benz doesn't do a damn thing about it...
Please...
The lateral Gs of an AMG car come down to the skinny (comparatively) tires they put on the back. They need a bigger footprint to get better grip, that's all.
QuoteQuoteQuoteA true sleeper, although once the cops figure out what it is they will just have to pressure him to some corners and he'll slow down...
How come some AMG cars never really have good handling? I mean if they're going to have so much power and speed, couldn't they at least give it some better twisties' hardware? In this case, the weight bias changed and that's it. Sure, it raised the g's from .83 to .85, but does that really coincide with the power/speed increase? Of course not... <_< :rolleyes: (I'm sure I'll get bitched at for this one - but I don't really like Benz at all)
AMG's handle just fine in the twisties, but thats really BMW's area of expertise. AMG vehicles excel at fast cruising comfort. They are brutally fast, but at the same time, comfortable for everyday.
But the only sporty part about them is their grunt. If I had a car that had 470 horses and can do 0-60 in 4.1 seconds, I think I'd want a little more than .85 g's in the limber parts. It's non-proportional...the sheer power just overpowers the handling of the car, and Benz doesn't do a damn thing about it...
Then get better tires. The skidpad measures the tires performance, not the cars overall handling.
And how come the Magnum SRT is nowhere this fast?
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteA true sleeper, although once the cops figure out what it is they will just have to pressure him to some corners and he'll slow down...
How come some AMG cars never really have good handling? I mean if they're going to have so much power and speed, couldn't they at least give it some better twisties' hardware? In this case, the weight bias changed and that's it. Sure, it raised the g's from .83 to .85, but does that really coincide with the power/speed increase? Of course not... <_< :rolleyes: (I'm sure I'll get bitched at for this one - but I don't really like Benz at all)
AMG's handle just fine in the twisties, but thats really BMW's area of expertise. AMG vehicles excel at fast cruising comfort. They are brutally fast, but at the same time, comfortable for everyday.
But the only sporty part about them is their grunt. If I had a car that had 470 horses and can do 0-60 in 4.1 seconds, I think I'd want a little more than .85 g's in the limber parts. It's non-proportional...the sheer power just overpowers the handling of the car, and Benz doesn't do a damn thing about it...
Please...
The lateral Gs of an AMG car come down to the skinny (comparatively) tires they put on the back. They need a bigger footprint to get better grip, that's all.
So why don't they put on bigger tires? How lazy are they? "Let's drop this huge-ass engine in there but not do anything about the handling because we just don't care!"
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteA true sleeper, although once the cops figure out what it is they will just have to pressure him to some corners and he'll slow down...
How come some AMG cars never really have good handling?? I mean if they're going to have so much power and speed, couldn't they at least give it some better twisties' hardware?? In this case, the weight bias changed and that's it.? Sure, it raised the g's from .83 to .85, but does that really coincide with the power/speed increase?? Of course not...? <_<? :rolleyes:? (I'm sure I'll get bitched at for this one - but I don't really like Benz at all)
AMG's handle just fine in the twisties, but thats really BMW's area of expertise. AMG vehicles excel at fast cruising comfort. They are brutally fast, but at the same time, comfortable for everyday.
But the only sporty part about them is their grunt. If I had a car that had 470 horses and can do 0-60 in 4.1 seconds, I think I'd want a little more than .85 g's in the limber parts. It's non-proportional...the sheer power just overpowers the handling of the car, and Benz doesn't do a damn thing about it...
Please...
The lateral Gs of an AMG car come down to the skinny (comparatively) tires they put on the back. They need a bigger footprint to get better grip, that's all.
So why don't they put on bigger tires? How lazy are they? "Let's drop this huge-ass engine in there but not do anything about the handling because we just don't care!"
Take the SL600 and Sl65. The SL600 manages a faster 0-60 time, despite the huge hp advantage of the SL65. This is because the tires are the same on both cars, and so the SL600 has a lot more grip suited to its power than an Sl65.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteA true sleeper, although once the cops figure out what it is they will just have to pressure him to some corners and he'll slow down...
How come some AMG cars never really have good handling? I mean if they're going to have so much power and speed, couldn't they at least give it some better twisties' hardware? In this case, the weight bias changed and that's it. Sure, it raised the g's from .83 to .85, but does that really coincide with the power/speed increase? Of course not... <_< :rolleyes: (I'm sure I'll get bitched at for this one - but I don't really like Benz at all)
AMG's handle just fine in the twisties, but thats really BMW's area of expertise. AMG vehicles excel at fast cruising comfort. They are brutally fast, but at the same time, comfortable for everyday.
But the only sporty part about them is their grunt. If I had a car that had 470 horses and can do 0-60 in 4.1 seconds, I think I'd want a little more than .85 g's in the limber parts. It's non-proportional...the sheer power just overpowers the handling of the car, and Benz doesn't do a damn thing about it...
Please...
The lateral Gs of an AMG car come down to the skinny (comparatively) tires they put on the back. They need a bigger footprint to get better grip, that's all.
So why don't they put on bigger tires? How lazy are they? "Let's drop this huge-ass engine in there but not do anything about the handling because we just don't care!"
Take the SL600 and Sl65. The SL600 manages a faster 0-60 time, despite the huge hp advantage of the SL65. This is because the tires are the same on both cars, and so the SL600 has a lot more grip suited to its power than an Sl65.
Yeah...so why don't they give their AMG cars some footpads that can actually get some grip with all that stupid power? (by the way you lost me there)
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteA true sleeper, although once the cops figure out what it is they will just have to pressure him to some corners and he'll slow down...
How come some AMG cars never really have good handling?? I mean if they're going to have so much power and speed, couldn't they at least give it some better twisties' hardware?? In this case, the weight bias changed and that's it.? Sure, it raised the g's from .83 to .85, but does that really coincide with the power/speed increase?? Of course not...? <_<? :rolleyes:? (I'm sure I'll get bitched at for this one - but I don't really like Benz at all)
AMG's handle just fine in the twisties, but thats really BMW's area of expertise. AMG vehicles excel at fast cruising comfort. They are brutally fast, but at the same time, comfortable for everyday.
But the only sporty part about them is their grunt. If I had a car that had 470 horses and can do 0-60 in 4.1 seconds, I think I'd want a little more than .85 g's in the limber parts. It's non-proportional...the sheer power just overpowers the handling of the car, and Benz doesn't do a damn thing about it...
Please...
The lateral Gs of an AMG car come down to the skinny (comparatively) tires they put on the back. They need a bigger footprint to get better grip, that's all.
So why don't they put on bigger tires? How lazy are they? "Let's drop this huge-ass engine in there but not do anything about the handling because we just don't care!"
Take the SL600 and Sl65. The SL600 manages a faster 0-60 time, despite the huge hp advantage of the SL65. This is because the tires are the same on both cars, and so the SL600 has a lot more grip suited to its power than an Sl65.
Yeah...so why don't they give their AMG cars some footpads that can actually get some grip with all that stupid power? (by the way you lost me there)
Its a problem, and almost every mag has said that to fully utilize the power of an SL65, one needs to have much fatter tires.
Yeah. I don't like Benz.
Expense. Why bother with grippier tires that cost more to fit when 99.5% of buyers won't even ever find the ESP Off button?
Why would someone buy a car with so much power if they aren't even going to put it to use? :angry:
QuoteWhy would someone buy a car with so much power if they aren't even going to put it to use? :angry:
Welcome to the world of car buyers...not everyone buys what they need in a car ;)
Which means Mercedes-Benz is overrated. :angry:
QuoteWhich means Mercedes-Benz is overrated. :angry:
Not necessarily...they have great cars, just people dont always use them to their potential ;)
I still don't like them...
The styling isn't even close to exciting...the interiors are deffinitely nice, though. And I still don't like this AMG crap. <_<
QuoteA true sleeper, although once the cops figure out what it is they will just have to pressure him to some corners and he'll slow down...
How come some AMG cars never really have good handling? I mean if they're going to have so much power and speed, couldn't they at least give it some better twisties' hardware? In this case, the weight bias changed and that's it. Sure, it raised the g's from .83 to .85, but does that really coincide with the power/speed increase? Of course not... <_< :rolleyes: (I'm sure I'll get bitched at for this one - but I don't really like Benz at all)
Benz buyers have different priorities than BMW buyers, to them ride and isolation is more important than handling and driver feedback.
QuoteQuoteA true sleeper, although once the cops figure out what it is they will just have to pressure him to some corners and he'll slow down...
How come some AMG cars never really have good handling? I mean if they're going to have so much power and speed, couldn't they at least give it some better twisties' hardware? In this case, the weight bias changed and that's it. Sure, it raised the g's from .83 to .85, but does that really coincide with the power/speed increase? Of course not... <_< :rolleyes: (I'm sure I'll get bitched at for this one - but I don't really like Benz at all)
Benz buyers have different priorities than BMW buyers, to them ride and isolation is more important than handling and driver feedback.
But there's a point when so much power with so little handling can become dangerous...
QuoteQuoteQuoteA true sleeper, although once the cops figure out what it is they will just have to pressure him to some corners and he'll slow down...
How come some AMG cars never really have good handling?? I mean if they're going to have so much power and speed, couldn't they at least give it some better twisties' hardware?? In this case, the weight bias changed and that's it.? Sure, it raised the g's from .83 to .85, but does that really coincide with the power/speed increase?? Of course not...? <_<? :rolleyes:? (I'm sure I'll get bitched at for this one - but I don't really like Benz at all)
Benz buyers have different priorities than BMW buyers, to them ride and isolation is more important than handling and driver feedback.
But there's a point when so much power with so little handling can become dangerous...
It is nowhere near that level at all...these cars can still handle very well. Were not talking about putting 604 hp engines in Crown Victorias here.
QuoteWhy would someone buy a car with so much power if they aren't even going to put it to use? :angry:
I'd like you to meet almost every Ferrari buyer ever. Have you seen a Ferrari? Have you seen the driver? It's either an old man or a young woman.
QuoteQuoteWhy would someone buy a car with so much power if they aren't even going to put it to use? :angry:
I'd like you to meet almost every Ferrari buyer ever. Have you seen a Ferrari? Have you seen the driver? It's either an old man or a young woman.
Yup, and the F1 trannie glued in 'auto' mode :(
QuoteQuoteQuoteWhy would someone buy a car with so much power if they aren't even going to put it to use? :angry:
I'd like you to meet almost every Ferrari buyer ever. Have you seen a Ferrari? Have you seen the driver? It's either an old man or a young woman.
Yup, and the F1 trannie glued in 'auto' mode :(
:lol:
Quotewhat a family vehicle.
Wimmer is that what you are getting your future wife?
Nah, too "underpowered". :P
QuoteWhy would someone buy a car with so much power if they aren't even going to put it to use? :angry:
Because on the Autobahn, the power-handling characteristics of AMG's are a match made in heaven. They're intended as high-speed cruisers and at higher speeds, a slightly vaguer steering is better suited than more precision steering. Magazines here will usually comment on how BMW's are the better overall handlers, but the Mercedes will be easier to control at higher speeds. I've found that cars with vaguer steering are indeed easier to control at higher speeds than cars with a more communicative steering feel. The SLK350 I took on the Autobahn was hard has hell to control once you got past 220 km/h because the steering was so direct and even went its own way if you hit uneven roads. On the other hand, in my 300SE or my dad's 500SL, you feel less tense at higher speeds due to vague steering. It's hard to explain and sounds funny (like "What!?") but in my experience, it's true.
QuoteQuoteWhy would someone buy a car with so much power if they aren't even going to put it to use? :angry:
I'd like you to meet almost every Ferrari buyer ever. Have you seen a Ferrari? Have you seen the driver? It's either an old man or a young woman.
Yes I know. I saw a Ferrari Enzo being driven by a fat and snobby rich guy. <_<
QuoteQuoteWhy would someone buy a car with so much power if they aren't even going to put it to use? :angry:
Because on the Autobahn, the power-handling characteristics of AMG's are a match made in heaven. They're intended as high-speed cruisers and at higher speeds, a slightly vaguer steering is better suited than more precision steering. Magazines here will usually comment on how BMW's are the better overall handlers, but the Mercedes will be easier to control at higher speeds. I've found that cars with vaguer steering are indeed easier to control at higher speeds than cars with a more communicative steering feel. The SLK350 I took on the Autobahn was hard has hell to control once you got past 220 km/h because the steering was so direct and even went its own way if you hit uneven roads. On the other hand, in my 300SE or my dad's 500SL, you feel less tense at higher speeds due to vague steering. It's hard to explain and sounds funny (like "What!?") but in my experience, it's true.
I'll try to explain it a different way. If the steering is direct, then it goes where you want, when you want, a lot quicker than vague steering. On any car, when you go at high speeds, a slight move of the wheel will translate into a bigger turn than it would at lower speeds. So very direct steering at high speeds will be a jerky and white knuckle experience as you fight to correct the front wheels so that they stay straight.
In a car with vague steering, you dont need to worry about that.
QuoteQuoteQuoteWhy would someone buy a car with so much power if they aren't even going to put it to use? :angry:
Because on the Autobahn, the power-handling characteristics of AMG's are a match made in heaven. They're intended as high-speed cruisers and at higher speeds, a slightly vaguer steering is better suited than more precision steering. Magazines here will usually comment on how BMW's are the better overall handlers, but the Mercedes will be easier to control at higher speeds. I've found that cars with vaguer steering are indeed easier to control at higher speeds than cars with a more communicative steering feel. The SLK350 I took on the Autobahn was hard has hell to control once you got past 220 km/h because the steering was so direct and even went its own way if you hit uneven roads. On the other hand, in my 300SE or my dad's 500SL, you feel less tense at higher speeds due to vague steering. It's hard to explain and sounds funny (like "What!?") but in my experience, it's true.
I'll try to explain it a different way. If the steering is direct, then it goes where you want, when you want, a lot quicker than vague steering. On any car, when you go at high speeds, a slight move of the wheel will translate into a bigger turn than it would at lower speeds. So very direct steering at high speeds will be a jerky and white knuckle experience as you fight to correct the front wheels so that they stay straight.
In a car with vague steering, you dont need to worry about that.
well said. I think that's why Caterhams have such a low top speed. That direct steering would kill you.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhy would someone buy a car with so much power if they aren't even going to put it to use? :angry:
Because on the Autobahn, the power-handling characteristics of AMG's are a match made in heaven. They're intended as high-speed cruisers and at higher speeds, a slightly vaguer steering is better suited than more precision steering. Magazines here will usually comment on how BMW's are the better overall handlers, but the Mercedes will be easier to control at higher speeds. I've found that cars with vaguer steering are indeed easier to control at higher speeds than cars with a more communicative steering feel. The SLK350 I took on the Autobahn was hard has hell to control once you got past 220 km/h because the steering was so direct and even went its own way if you hit uneven roads. On the other hand, in my 300SE or my dad's 500SL, you feel less tense at higher speeds due to vague steering. It's hard to explain and sounds funny (like "What!?") but in my experience, it's true.
I'll try to explain it a different way. If the steering is direct, then it goes where you want, when you want, a lot quicker than vague steering. On any car, when you go at high speeds, a slight move of the wheel will translate into a bigger turn than it would at lower speeds. So very direct steering at high speeds will be a jerky and white knuckle experience as you fight to correct the front wheels so that they stay straight.
In a car with vague steering, you dont need to worry about that.
well said. I think that's why Caterhams have such a low top speed. That direct steering would kill you.
The areodynamics aren't to hot either.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhy would someone buy a car with so much power if they aren't even going to put it to use? :angry:
Because on the Autobahn, the power-handling characteristics of AMG's are a match made in heaven. They're intended as high-speed cruisers and at higher speeds, a slightly vaguer steering is better suited than more precision steering. Magazines here will usually comment on how BMW's are the better overall handlers, but the Mercedes will be easier to control at higher speeds. I've found that cars with vaguer steering are indeed easier to control at higher speeds than cars with a more communicative steering feel. The SLK350 I took on the Autobahn was hard has hell to control once you got past 220 km/h because the steering was so direct and even went its own way if you hit uneven roads. On the other hand, in my 300SE or my dad's 500SL, you feel less tense at higher speeds due to vague steering. It's hard to explain and sounds funny (like "What!?") but in my experience, it's true.
I'll try to explain it a different way. If the steering is direct, then it goes where you want, when you want, a lot quicker than vague steering. On any car, when you go at high speeds, a slight move of the wheel will translate into a bigger turn than it would at lower speeds. So very direct steering at high speeds will be a jerky and white knuckle experience as you fight to correct the front wheels so that they stay straight.
In a car with vague steering, you dont need to worry about that.
well said. I think that's why Caterhams have such a low top speed. That direct steering would kill you.
The areodynamics aren't to hot either.
The car weighs 30 pounds...a strong crosswind at 100+ can unsettled a 3000+ pound car, it would blow you off the road in a Caterham.
Oh, and when I'm a weekend dad with weekend kids, I definitely want a car like this to fool ex-wife into thinking I'm responsible so I can get some weekend nookie.