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The 2007 Chevrolet Tahoe, completely new, brand new platform.

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It looks to bulbous/big/fat.  But it's a more contemporary and conservative design...nothing bad but nothing especially fancy either.  :)  

Is this a facelift or a whole new truck? GM tends to cut corners when it comes to redesigns, often just changing the styling to fool people into thinking it's all new.

The frontend is too blunt and low. You can't go over anything with that! It just goes to further the soccer mom reputation:
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Overall, the styling seems to choppy; it's like the lines don't match up.

The interior looks MUCH better, although anything beats the sea of gray plastic with huge gaps.

FOR RELEASE: 2005-09-20

Redesigned 2007 Chevy Tahoe Is The Best Yet

More information can be found at:

GM's 2007 Full-Size SUVs
2007 Chevrolet Tahoe
DETROIT ? Chevrolet has announced the debut of the 2007 Chevy Tahoe, the next generation of the industry?s best-selling full-size SUV. The new Tahoe is comprehensively redesigned and delivers a sharper, more precise driving feel, more power with improved, segment-leading fuel economy, increased interior refinement and improved quietness.

The new Tahoe takes over at the top of the segment in sales, quality and comfort ? Tahoe has been the best-selling full-size SUV since 2001. The outgoing model (along with its longer sibling, Suburban) has ranked first in the J.D. Power and Associates Initial Quality Survey for five years, topping all import and luxury models. Engineers built on Tahoe?s established credentials with a ?no compromises? mantra that realized improvements in many areas of performance, quality and comfort.

Contributors to the 2007 Tahoe?s segment-leading capability include:

Superior ride, handling and quietness
Improved efficiency
Refined interior with thoughtful convenience built in
Distinctive, sporty exterior design
Enhanced safety and security
?Tahoe is known for delivering whatever its customers want, whenever they want to do it ? a hard-earned reputation reflected in countless independent quality studies, buying guide recommendations and customers who have returned to buy another vehicle,? said Ed Peper, Chevrolet general manager. ?The ?07 model enhances the attributes that have made Tahoe the industry?s best-selling full-size SUV and improves them with dramatically increased attention to detail in smoothness, quietness and refinement. We believe it is simply the best Tahoe yet.?

Superior ride, handling and quietness

The 2007 Tahoe is built on GM?s new full-size SUV platform, which incorporates features such as a new, fully boxed frame, coil-over-shock front suspension, rack-and-pinion steering and an all-new, premium interior system that bolster the vehicle?s comfort, quality and capability. Wider front and rear tracks enhance handling and lower the center of gravity for a more confident road feel.

Extensive attention to detail was paid by Tahoe?s engineers to ensure a quiet driving experience. It starts with a new, stiffer frame, which reduces vibrations transmitted to the passenger cabin. The strength and accuracy of the full-boxed frame also enables more precise mounting and tuning of chassis and suspension components, which also helps reduce vibration. Even the tires on the large, 17-inch standard and 20-inch available wheels, were designed to reduce noise.

Noise-reducing components and materials are used throughout the body structure, including the headliner material, door seals and front-of-dash area. The engine also features a quiet-tuned alternator and an acoustically tuned engine cover that dramatically reduces engine noise heard inside the vehicle. New door seals help reduce seal ?pull away? at highway speeds, which can cause wind noise. Also, Tahoe?s more slippery shape, thanks to improved aerodynamics, streamlined exterior mirrors and roof rack, and tighter body gap tolerances, makes Tahoe quieter as it slices through the air.

Tahoe also features details such as spray-in expanding foam, which helps reduce noise by filling in space to eliminate sound paths. The foam, located mostly in the A-pillars, expands to fill the void of a space. Tahoe?s quietness and smoothness is complemented by the Autoride suspension system, which is standard on LTZ. This segment-exclusive bi-state, real-time damping system provides an extremely refined ride with greatly reduced body motion. The system consists of a semi-active, two-position damping control system that responds in real time to road and driving conditions, based on body and wheel motion sensors.

Tahoe?s quietness and smoothness are complemented by capabilities full-size SUV customers depend on. Tahoe offers up to 7,700-pounds (3,492 kg) towing capability (4WD models).

Improved efficiency

A new Gen IV small-block V-8 family ? the newest chapter in the small-block?s 50-year history ? offers more power than comparable powertrains in previous models. Fuel-saving Displacement On Demand technology also enables better fuel economy. When combined with other vehicle-wide features, including improved aerodynamics, the small-block V-8 helps give the Tahoe the segment?s best fuel economy. Preliminary testing with 5.3L-equipped models shows unadjusted combined fuel economy ratings of 20.5 mpg with 2WD models and 20.1 mpg with 4WD models. That?s better fuel economy than any other full-size SUV.

New engine choices allow consumers to choose the performance level that meets their needs. A Vortec 5.3L V-8 with 320 horsepower (238 kw)* and 335 lb.-ft. of torque (463 Nm)* offers fuel-saving Displacement On Demand technology is standard at start of production. A Vortec 4.8L V-8 becomes available later and will be standard on Tahoe 2WD models.

A more steeply raked windshield and smoother roofline improve the aerodynamics of Tahoe, resulting in a best-in-class 0.363 cd, which enhances fuel economy on the highway. Additional contributors to efficiency include a lower, wider front air dam, tighter tolerances and gaps between the fascias, lamps and grille openings, and improved front-end sealing that nearly eliminates air leak paths. These features all contribute to enhanced fuel economy and improved driving quietness, compared with previous models.

?The economy of the new Tahoe is tremendous,? said Gary White, General Motors North America Vice President and vehicle line executive for full-size trucks. ?It not only delivers better fuel economy than some smaller vehicles, it does so with the full capability expected of a full-size SUV. That means you can tow a boat out to your favorite lake on the weekend and take the kids to school during the week without worry ? it?s another trait of Tahoe?s do-anything personality.?

Refined interior and thoughtful convenience built in

The ?07 Tahoe is available in three trim levels: LS, LT and LTZ, with the high-volume LT trim level offered with LT-1, LT-2 and LT-3 equipment groups. Two-wheel drive and four-wheel drive models are available. All models come well equipped with enhanced safety, comfort and convenience features. New and substantially revised features include:

Power-release fold-and-tumble second-row seat
Remote vehicle starting system
First- and second-row heated seats
Ultrasonic Rear Parking Assist
Rearview camera system
Touch-screen navigation system
Power-articulating running boards (mid-year availability)
DVD rear-seat entertainment system with larger, 8-inch screen and enhanced features
Refinements throughout Tahoe?s spacious interior create an environment that exudes quality and precision, as well as comfort. A two-tone color scheme is executed with new, softer and low-gloss materials for the instrument panel and other trim pieces. Additional details include LED backlighting for the instruments and chrome accents on instruments and vents. Flush-mounted accessories and controls, such as the climate control/radio center stack create a seamless, ?single unit? appearance. Also, there are almost no exposed metal hardware or latches, as all models feature enclosing ?close outs? around the seat bottoms and door sill trim plates.

Distinctive, sporty exterior design

The amenities and performance features are wrapped in a stylish new package that conveys the sporty, ready-for-anything reputation of Tahoe. An all-new exterior design is leaner and more agile looking, with large wheels and the wider track enhancing Tahoe?s powerful, capable stance. The improved aerodynamics also contributes to the sleek look, with a more steeply raked windshield and smoother roofline accentuating the exterior length.

Tahoe is the first truck to feature the new face of Chevrolet with a large Chevy gold bow tie, centered on a twin-port horizontal grille. The body-colored grille surround is inset with an argent texture mesh. Fog lamps and headlamps feature jewel-like optics. The lower fascia, incorporating the front license plate holder and integrated tow hooks, is aggressively styled with a skid plate look that enhances Tahoe?s rugged, off-road appearance.

Tahoe?s front end reflects its sporty, outdoor character. It includes the fast-rake windshield; a bulging power dome hood; a prominent new fender design, with integrated wheel flares; a distinctive new grille and headlamps; and a full-wrap fascia. The wraparound fascia, which eliminates the conventional bumper-to-body gap, is one of the numerous attributes that gives the Tahoe a more refined look. It also enhances aerodynamics.

Also complementing Tahoe?s sporty appearance is a new family of 17-inch and 20-inch wheels. Seventeen-inch wheels and tires are standard, with 20-inch factory-installed wheels available. The larger wheels fill Tahoe?s wheel houses, giving the vehicle a confident stance.

The available Z71 package (available later in 2006) takes this aggressive look to the next level. It includes a specifically designed three-piece fascia with a protective, platinum chrome skid plate. It has larger tow hook openings; larger, more prominent fog lamps; and specific grille texture and platinum chrome grille trim. Eighteen-inch wheels and tires also are part of the package.

Tahoe is offered in nine exterior colors: Greystone Metallic, Dark Blue Metallic, Sport Red Metallic, Bermuda Blue Metallic, Black, Summit White, Gold Mist Metallic, Antique Bronze Metallic and Silver Birch Metallic.

Enhanced safety and security

The 2007 Tahoe has a comprehensive package of standard and available safety features. New features, including roof-mounted head curtain side air bags with rollover protection for all seating rows, complement the stronger chassis and body structures to provide excellent passenger protection.

For further protection, the StabiliTrak electronic stability control system with new roll-over mitigation technology is standard on all models. With the enhanced StabiliTrak system, sensors continuously monitor the vehicle?s side-to-side angle, triggering stability-maintaining action if the angle indicates a possible roll-over condition. If a roll-over is likely, the system can trigger the roof-rail air bags before the incident occurs to provide passengers with increased protection.

Crash avoidance also is bolstered through enhanced driver control dynamics, such as wider front and rear tracks, as well as more responsive suspensions ? including a new coil-over-strut front suspension design and new rack-and-pinion steering.

Tahoe?s additional safety features include:

Standard dual-stage frontal air bags with GM?s passenger sensing system
Roof-mounted head curtain side air bags with rollover protection for all seating rows available on LS, LT-1 and LT-2 models; standard on LT-3 and LTZ
Standard front seat safety belt pretensioners (with rear-crash activation)
Remote vehicle starting system standard on LT-2, LT-3 and LTZ; prep package for dealer installation standard on LS and LT-1 models (includes keyless entry remote)
Power-adjustable pedals standard on LT-2, LT-3 and LTZ, available on LS and LT-1
Tire pressure monitoring system standard on all models
Daytime running lamps
RainSense automatic windshield wiper activation standard on LTZ and available on LT-3
Heated windshield wiper fluid standard on LTZ and available on LT-3
Standard four-wheel disc brakes with Bosch 8.0 four-channel ABS
Available 4WD with Autotrac automatic transfer case
OnStar with Advanced Automatic Crash Notification
Available technology, including Ultrasonic Rear Parking Assist and a rear-view camera system, enhance safety at all corners, helping ? in addition to the numerous crash and roll-over sensors ? to give the Tahoe 360 degrees of protection. Ultrasonic Rear Parking Assist is standard on LT-2, LT-3 and LTZ models and available on LS and LT-1. The rearview camera system is available on LT-2, LT-3 and LTZ models (requires navigation radio).

Along with GM?s other new full-size SUVs, Tahoe?s chassis and body structure are designed for improved crash energy management. The front frame section has improved crush dynamics that provide the equivalent of 17.7 inches (450 mm) of additional crush space, when compared with the previous-generation models ? in a vehicle that is only approximately 3 inches (76.2 mm) longer. The frame also is designed for improved vehicle-to-vehicle compatibility in the event of a crash with a smaller vehicle.

All Tahoe models are equipped with the OnStar Generation 6 system, including a one-year subscription to the Safe & Sound plan. The system features digital and analog coverage. OnStar is the leading provider of in-vehicle safety, security and information services in the United States and Canada . Using the GPS satellite network and wireless technology, OnStar features core safety services and OnStar Hands Free Calling (OHC) that allows drivers to make and receive hands-free, voice-activated phone calls using a powerful 3-watt digital/analog system and external antenna for greater reception. OHC requires an additional OnStar service contract and pre-paid calling minutes, and is not available in Alaska and some other markets. Calls can be made to U.S. and Canada only.

The OnStar service available on the Tahoe includes the General Motors Advanced Automatic Crash Notification (AACN) system, making crash data available to emergency services to potentially dispatch the appropriate life-saving personnel and equipment to crash scenes faster. If the vehicle is in an accident that activates an airbag, the OnStar system automatically notifies an OnStar Adviser who will check on the occupants or summon emergency help if necessary. OnStar also can assist authorities in locating a vehicle if it is reported stolen (ability to locate stolen vehicles varies with conditions).

The 2007 Tahoe will be built at Arlington Assembly, in Arlington , Texas , and will be available in the first quarter of 2006.

?Chevrolet introduced the SUV with the 1935 Suburban and the new Tahoe is the culmination of more than 70 years of experience building these vehicles,? said Peper. ?The 2007 is not only the most refined SUV in the segment, we believe it to be the best SUV we?ve ever built.?

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Wow, the interior DOESN'T suck. that's supprising.

I am going to guess that it was designed by Leer like the new Impala, Lucerne, and DTS interiors were, as there are major similarities.  

I'm very disappointed with the exterior. The front end represents a revolting attempt at looking agressive, the rear is bland, the overall shape appears rounder than the spy pics indicated, thanks largely to the poorly done window pillars.

Interior is much better, but the steering wheel looks like it's ripped from a Ford Fusion.

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Every other full-size SUV's seat can fold flat. Let's hope that they at least made the seat passably roomy this time through, but it's still on the floor and looks quite small.

It looks so-so, with an odd dichotomy of slab-sidedness and bulginess, and the interior design is nothing to write home about, but the quality might just be.  The panel gaps look tight.

Overall, it should be another soccer mom cruiser.  

that interior is naaasty. :o

The "organic" window shapes makes the pillers (expecially c) look odd.  Yet the rear of the back window is squared off?  Ground clearance looks bad.  I roll the berms at the BMX track with the Sequoia, that Tahoe would be all scraped up doing the same thing.  The interior is a HUGE improvement.

i think that GM has flunked this one. :(  

My first reaction is that the lights look like they came from the Infiniti QX 56 school of style.  I wonder if it's going to look better in real life.  Like a lot of new designs, in a year or so we'll be used to it.

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Every other full-size SUV's seat can fold flat. Let's hope that they at least made the seat passably roomy this time through, but it's still on the floor and looks quite small.

I believe it's because the GM full size SUVs have a solid rear axle.  The Ford full size SUVs have IRS.

The 'Hoe is a good truck.  I'll give GM the BOTD on this one.

Am I the only one that likes this? It looks a bit too similar to the Uplander in some spots, but other than that, very nice.

Wow, I am surprised there is so much criticsm of the new Tahoe. I came out very impressed with it. It looks like a very solid vehicle. It is estimated to get 20.1 MPG with the 4WD model and has displacement on demand; I am under the impressing GM hit big with this one.  

The interior is a tremendous improvement.

I like it, but I don't love it.  I personally wouldn't buy it.

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Every other full-size SUV's seat can fold flat. Let's hope that they at least made the seat passably roomy this time through, but it's still on the floor and looks quite small.

I believe it's because the GM full size SUVs have a solid rear axle.  The Ford full size SUVs have IRS.

Does every other full-size SUV have IRS?  <_<  

I'd rather have a solid axle than a folding third seat.  I'm not a fan of IRS in a truck.

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Every other full-size SUV's seat can fold flat. Let's hope that they at least made the seat passably roomy this time through, but it's still on the floor and looks quite small.

I believe it's because the GM full size SUVs have a solid rear axle.  The Ford full size SUVs have IRS.

Does every other full-size SUV have IRS?  <_<

Does every other full size SUV have a rear seat that folds flat?   :P  

I'm not wild about the styling, personally I thought the old one looked fine. The interior is much better, but still not attractive (as I've been saying of most new GM interiors of late). The gas mileage figures look good though.

I'm not a big fan of SUV's, but this seems nicer than most of the ones i can think of (Expedition, Durango, Armada, Passport).

The powertrains are really impressive. Great fuel mileage for such a large vehicle and what sounds like class-leading power (290 base 2WD, 320 Base 4WD with 350 HP and 380 HP options). And finally GM is using a 6-speed auto in a mainstream vehicle.

That's also probably the nicest SUV interior from a mainstream brand I have evr seen. Ford is a close second.

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Every other full-size SUV's seat can fold flat. Let's hope that they at least made the seat passably roomy this time through, but it's still on the floor and looks quite small.

I believe it's because the GM full size SUVs have a solid rear axle.  The Ford full size SUVs have IRS.

Does every other full-size SUV have IRS?  <_<

Does every other full size SUV have a rear seat that folds flat?   :P

Aside from possibly the Sequoia, yes.  

QuoteI'm not a big fan of SUV's, but this seems nicer than most of the ones i can think of (Expedition, Durango, Armada, Passport).

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Jeez ifcar, check the date of the post.  :P

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Jeez ifcar, check the date of the post.  :P

The Passport never was a large SUV, even before it went out of production. You'll need to fabricate more than the date.  ;)  

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QuoteI'm not a big fan of SUV's, but this seems nicer than most of the ones i can think of (Expedition, Durango, Armada, Passport).

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Jeez ifcar, check the date of the post.  :P

The Passport never was a large SUV, even before it went out of production. You'll need to fabricate more than the date.  ;)

Oh yeah. <_< Didn't notice that too. What was he talking about? Oh well.

I like it, i'm not sure if its design will age as gracefully as the current one but its still good. The interior looks so much better, it is making me curious about what the Escalade will look like.  

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Every other full-size SUV's seat can fold flat. Let's hope that they at least made the seat passably roomy this time through, but it's still on the floor and looks quite small.

I believe it's because the GM full size SUVs have a solid rear axle.  The Ford full size SUVs have IRS.

Does every other full-size SUV have IRS?  <_<

Does every other full size SUV have a rear seat that folds flat?   :P

Aside from possibly the Sequoia, yes.

The Sequoia has "Leather-trimmed 50/50 split third-row bench seat with recline/slide/fold-down/tumble/remove functions and adjustable headrests". Maybe that means fold flat, maybe it doesn't. It'd be easier if I spoke Toyota, I guess.  :blink:  

QuoteAm I the only one that likes this? It looks a bit too similar to the Uplander in some spots, but other than that, very nice.

I was noncommital towards it.  

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Every other full-size SUV's seat can fold flat. Let's hope that they at least made the seat passably roomy this time through, but it's still on the floor and looks quite small.

I believe it's because the GM full size SUVs have a solid rear axle.  The Ford full size SUVs have IRS.

Does every other full-size SUV have IRS?  <_<

Does every other full size SUV have a rear seat that folds flat?   :P

Aside from possibly the Sequoia, yes.

The Sequoia has "Leather-trimmed 50/50 split third-row bench seat with recline/slide/fold-down/tumble/remove functions and adjustable headrests". Maybe that means fold flat, maybe it doesn't. It'd be easier if I spoke Toyota, I guess.  :blink:

If the seats are removable, they're not the fold-flat type. I would be surprised not to see a fold flat seat on the next Sequoia though.  

Quotei think that GM has flunked this one. :(

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Yeah, right.  :rolleyes:

Agreed. I'm not a GM fan, per se, I've had years of annoyances with them, particularly their full size SUVs, but the current ones aren't bad vehicles, and this looks to be better in every visually measurable way. Since the last ones were successful in a market that was very competitive, I'm sure these new ones will do fine as well.

The Sequioa is not fold flat.  To be so Toyota would either need to make the seat extremely thin or go to an IRS.  I hope the next Sequoia doesn't go to IRS.  I prefer the live axle.

I like the new Tahoe but it seems like the designers started and ended with an edgy design but somewhere in the middle Mr. Organic took over.  I'm not sure what all the curves are about but I think it would have looked even better had they kept the edges straighter.

The Ford Expedition was, to what I read in magazines, not first hand experience, not as well riding as the Tahoe and pals. The Tahoe has the live axel and the Ford an IRS.

The front bumper is too low.  Way too low.  I hope the balck piece comes off easily if you need to go off road. :rolleyes:

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The Sequoia's front bumper isn't much lower than the front axles.

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did they get rid of the Information center?  I hate that fucking thing it is sooooo beight and annoying at night I put a piece of electrical tape over it to stop bothering me when I have 'Low Fuel."

QuoteThe Ford Expedition was, to what I read in magazines, not first hand experience, not as well riding as the Tahoe and pals. The Tahoe has the live axel and the Ford an IRS.

This is true.  For what ever reason the Expedition doesn't take advantage of its IRS.  It rides hard.

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QuoteThe Ford Expedition was, to what I read in magazines, not first hand experience, not as well riding as the Tahoe and pals. The Tahoe has the live axel and the Ford an IRS.

This is true.  For what ever reason the Expedition doesn't take advantage of its IRS.  It rides hard.

They went for a very stable, yet very firm suspension. Good for handling, less so for ride comfort.

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QuoteThe Ford Expedition was, to what I read in magazines, not first hand experience, not as well riding as the Tahoe and pals. The Tahoe has the live axel and the Ford an IRS.

This is true.  For what ever reason the Expedition doesn't take advantage of its IRS.  It rides hard.

They went for a very stable, yet very firm suspension. Good for handling, less so for ride comfort.

Plus it has a pretty high tow rating so heavy springs might be needed for towing. The Sequoias springs are soft so it rides pretty nice for a live axle truck but it has a relative low tow rating.

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Jeez ifcar, check the date of the post.  :P

The Passport never was a large SUV, even before it went out of production. You'll need to fabricate more than the date.  ;)

Sorry guess I have the name wrong. Its not a large SUV, but I was thinking of the Honda "Mid-size" SUV that costs about the same as a Tahoe.

Mtl, I believe you're thinking of the Pilot.  :praise:

Some people will say they don't like them because they're anti-SUV, and some people will say they don't like them because they're from GM, but the GMT-900s appear completely ready to take on their toughest competition, and that's what counts the most. GM clearly put an immense amount of effort into this program, and it definitely shows now that we've seen all of the preliminary information. I love the fact that they've now got fully-boxed frames, and the sheer number of options and additional features is absolutely astounding. GM pulled out all the stops here, even when it has its back against the wall, and I think coming through when times are pretty rough is commendable, to say the least. I have never seen such a tremendously successful result from a new GM car or truck program, period. There has been a lot of hype surrounding the GMT-900s, and for once GM managed to live up to and, in my opinion, surpass that hype. It's just an overwhelmingly encouraging development, as it reasserts my belief that the folks at GM can right the boat before it hits the iceberg. The pros far outweigh the cons (and I think that's an understatement), and that is always a good beginning for a successful model line.

The Tahoe's interior looks great, so I can only imagine what the Escalade holds in store for the automotive public. If it's as good as Cadillac is leading everyone to believe, the new Escalade will be a home run.  B)

Sorry for the long post, guys, but I'm quite pleased with what I've seen. I thought GM was going to upgrade them sufficiently enough, but this goes way beyond any of my expectations.

QuoteMtl, I believe you're thinking of the Pilot.  :praise:

Oh yeah, that's the one.

I pretty much agree with the rest of your post. I am not an SUV type person, but this is one of the nicest interiors from my POV in its class.

The Hummer H3 is another really good effort from GM in this class. Its weird though that this Tahoe may actually get better mileage than the H3.  :blink:  

The H3 is a good effort?  If it didn't have the Hummer name attached to it, it would ook like another poorly styled mid sized SUV that does nothing markedly better than other SUVs in the 30K price range.  It's goofy looking, upright, slab sided, comes with an I5, it's just all kinds of bad at the same time.    

QuoteThe H3 is a good effort?  If it didn't have the Hummer name attached to it, it would ook like another poorly styled mid sized SUV that does nothing markedly better than other SUVs in the 30K price range.  It's goofy looking, upright, slab sided, comes with an I5, it's just all kinds of bad at the same time.

I was talking about the interior. The H3's is one of the best in its class (for my taste anyway).

Besides that, its an SUV designed to work well offroad and that's what it does very well.

And the I5 is a really nice engine.

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QuoteThe H3 is a good effort?? If it didn't have the Hummer name attached to it, it would ook like another poorly styled mid sized SUV that does nothing markedly better than other SUVs in the 30K price range.? It's goofy looking, upright, slab sided, comes with an I5, it's just all kinds of bad at the same time.

I was talking about the interior. The H3's is one of the best in its class (for my taste anyway).

Besides that, its an SUV designed to work well offroad and that's what it does very well.

And the I5 is a really nice engine.

That I5 is a lot less nice when it's got to haul around like 5000 lbs worth of H3. It's got to make 2 trips to haul ass.

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QuoteThe H3 is a good effort?? If it didn't have the Hummer name attached to it, it would ook like another poorly styled mid sized SUV that does nothing markedly better than other SUVs in the 30K price range.? It's goofy looking, upright, slab sided, comes with an I5, it's just all kinds of bad at the same time.

I was talking about the interior. The H3's is one of the best in its class (for my taste anyway).

Besides that, its an SUV designed to work well offroad and that's what it does very well.

And the I5 is a really nice engine.

That I5 is a lot less nice when it's got to haul around like 5000 lbs worth of H3. It's got to make 2 trips to haul ass.

Its faster than the H2 or H1.

Hummers have never been about speed. Its like saying the 3-series is a bad car because it doesn't have enough rear seat legroom, or the Bugatti Veyron is a bad car because it doesn't get good gas mileage.

I am not a fan of SUV's, I never plan on owning one. But you guys trying to judge the H3 as a car are just being rediculous. Its one of, if not the, best off-roading SUV's period, and at the same times offers ride quality and interior appointments on par with most luxury makes. Its a great SUV for its price and that's why it has been a hit for GM so far this year.

Oh but wait its a Hummer, and therefore sucks automatically. My bad.

On par with luxury makes? Not a chance. In the mid-$30Ks, it certainly isn't among the best interior around. It's functional and of decent quality, but it seems more like what the Colorado's should have been than the $30K SUV.

QuoteOn par with luxury makes? Not a chance. In the mid-$30Ks, it certainly isn't among the best interior around. It's functional and of decent quality, but it seems more like what the Colorado's should have been than the $30K SUV.

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QuoteThe H3 is a good effort?? If it didn't have the Hummer name attached to it, it would ook like another poorly styled mid sized SUV that does nothing markedly better than other SUVs in the 30K price range.? It's goofy looking, upright, slab sided, comes with an I5, it's just all kinds of bad at the same time.

I was talking about the interior. The H3's is one of the best in its class (for my taste anyway).

Besides that, its an SUV designed to work well offroad and that's what it does very well.

And the I5 is a really nice engine.

That I5 is a lot less nice when it's got to haul around like 5000 lbs worth of H3. It's got to make 2 trips to haul ass.

I wish they would have kept the 4.3 pushrod Vortec. Just another example of DOHC sucking. (j/k)

The interior looks great and the exterior looks fine. But, Dodge managed to package a fold flat 3rd row (of similar size or larger size) with a solid axle 7 years ago, why can't GM do it now with a considerably larger vehicle? (or Toyota for that matter!)

I think a solid axle is the way to go, but only if it can be done without sacrificing that fold flat 3rd row, a very important feature for many suv buyers.

The fold-flat third row is the biggest omission on GM's part, and while I'm a bit disappointed, I know it probably won't matter much in the long run.

It's the only problem (albeit a very minor one) that I can complain about as of this moment. I'd say that's a mission accomplished, GM.  :praise:  

What about third row space/comfort? You don't consider that important?

I've always looked at the two things as the defining difference between a midsize and full-size SUV: Interior space and towing capacity. Unless I'm missing something, nothing else would necessitate stepping up from a midsize to a full-size.

The Tahoe is below some midsize SUVs in the first area. That leaves it with 50% of what it needs, which is a failing grade.  

Damn people are lazy nowadays.

I can take out all the seats in our Sienna (bench seat too, not buckets) by myself.

I can do the same with the Caravan, but it's just much easier not to have to. You don't have to fight them out, and (more importantly IMO) you don't have to find a place to store them.

QuoteDamn people are lazy nowadays.

I can take out all the seats in our Sienna (bench seat too, not buckets) by myself.

Yeah, I can empty my aunt's Caravan in minutes.  But that leaves the issue of storage (for one, she doesn't have a garage) and flexibility.  What if you have to stop by the Home Depot or Lowe's (or whatever home improvement stores you have in Canada) after you drop off a full load of kids off to school or hockey practice or what not?  Do you just leave the seats in the parking lot and hope they'll be there when you return?

QuoteWhat about third row space/comfort? You don't consider that important?

I've always looked at the two things as the defining difference between a midsize and full-size SUV: Interior space and towing capacity. Unless I'm missing something, nothing else would necessitate stepping up from a midsize to a full-size.

The Tahoe is below some midsize SUVs in the first area. That leaves it with 50% of what it needs, which is a failing grade.

I would also like to note that the 7700 lb towing capacity number I have seen is also below the competition (except for the Sequioa). Frankly, I am interested to find out what the mags reaction to the lack of a fold flat 3rd row is, I think it is a very important feature for most large suvs buyers (it was for us, the fold flat 3rd row was the reason we ended up with a Durango instead of an Expedition (the Suburban was just too big and at that point the Tahoe was 2 rows only)). I am afraid that such an important omission may actually hurt sales, unless they price it low which isn't what GM needs right now (and the rest of the product clearly deserves a high price).