Well, my friend and I went to check out a red 944 today that was going to sell for 2000 dollars. It had a lot of cosmetic stuff wrong with it (although it was in fine mechanical condition). There was another 944 (Slate Grey) being sold for 3K, which had 143K miles, but had a new engine with 80K miles put in it. Timing belts, the works, were all redone this past week. So my friend decided to buy the car. Here are pictures-I'll get a video of me revving it up soon :)
Video:
Link to Video! (http://media.putfile.com/Porsche-944)
Link to Interior Video (http://media.putfile.com/Interior-Video)
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Very nice, that is a great color!
Yup--and I got a video up right here...
Link To Video! (http://media.putfile.com/Porsche-944)
Sweet!
It's ok... a boxter would've been nicer.
Nice...
You couldnt make it a link ;)...come on dave...you know how to do this
QuoteNice...
You couldnt make it a link ;)...come on dave...you know how to do this
Sorry about that, I was rushing to get it up before. :)
QuoteIt's ok... a boxter would've been nicer.
The Boxster is a good car, but I like the 944 better. The styling is more aggresive and the Turbo has some serious power!
QuoteQuoteIt's ok... a boxter would've been nicer.
The Boxster is a good car, but I like the 944 better. The styling is more aggresive and the Turbo has some serious power!
The NA we testdrove felt pretty powerful-I cant imagine how powerful a turbo must be :o
There is one for sale there-6K with 140K or so miles. It looks much sexier than the Boxster with the turbo twist wheels.
I like the MPG gauge. ^_^
QuoteI like the MPG gauge. ^_^
Old skool. :praise:
QuoteI like the MPG gauge. ^_^
Me too :D :rockon: B)
Here are more pictures of the car:
Interior is dirty-needs to be cleaned-and the leather on the shifter has to be redone. Otherwise, in very good condition with only one small crack on the dash.
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The useless back seats...
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Steering wheel and instrument guage:
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Random shots:
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The leather looks pretty worn as well.
QuoteThe leather looks pretty worn as well.
No, its just the flash from my camera really highlighted the whole interior. There are creases in the leather, but it looks very nice in person. The leather overall is in very good condition, and the A/C blows cold.
I just put up an interior video in my first post.
Sweet.
W00H00! Dave, do drifts in it when your friend gets it! CAll it the 'break in period'. :lol:
QuoteW00H00! Dave, do drifts in it when your friend gets it! CAll it the 'break in period'. :lol:
Yup, we call that a 143K mile engine breakin :rolleyes: :lol:
Its my friends car, I wouldnt do anything in it that he wouldnt want me to do. I'm getting my own in a year or two, I'll do plenty of drifts then :praise: :D
QuoteQuoteW00H00! Dave, do drifts in it when your friend gets it! CAll it the 'break in period'. :lol:
Yup, we call that a 143K mile engine breakin :rolleyes: :lol:
Its my friends car, I wouldnt do anything in it that he wouldnt want me to do. I'm getting my own in a year or two, I'll do plenty of drifts then :praise: :D
WEll, if your friend is very car savvy, you could persuade him to let you do drifts as the 'break in period'. Maybe he'll believe you. :lol:
And you'll prolly get a Honda Civic or some POS, so no drifts for you!
QuoteQuoteQuoteW00H00! Dave, do drifts in it when your friend gets it! CAll it the 'break in period'. :lol:
Yup, we call that a 143K mile engine breakin :rolleyes: :lol:
Its my friends car, I wouldnt do anything in it that he wouldnt want me to do. I'm getting my own in a year or two, I'll do plenty of drifts then :praise: :D
WEll, if your friend is very car savvy, you could persuade him to let you do drifts as the 'break in period'. Maybe he'll believe you. :lol:
And you'll prolly get a Honda Civic or some POS, so no drifts for you!
My "friend" is actually a family friend-hes 60 years old, and hes no idiot. I'm not a dishonest person, I wouldnt 'drift' in his car. Its his car, he'll do whatever he wants with it, I wont touch it unless he allows me too.
And why would I be getting a POS Civic? I'll be buying my own car, and I will be dictating where my money goes. Its going to be a Porsche for me, I can tell you that much.
Noice.
What year again?
Base model, non-S/Turbo?
QuoteNoice.
What year again?
Base model, non-S/Turbo?
Its an 86. NA version.
Hmm, that's a shame. Why the sudden decision to buy this one, I though he was looking more into $10k range of cars?
QuoteHmm, that's a shame. Why the sudden decision to buy this one, I though he was looking more into $10k range of cars?
He wasnt looking necessarily to buy a 10K dollar car...if he had seen one that was really nice in that price range, he would have bought it.
But hes not a speed freak-hes more in for the handling. And to get a turbo with equivalent mileage would be double as much.
QuoteQuoteHmm, that's a shame. Why the sudden decision to buy this one, I though he was looking more into $10k range of cars?
He wasnt looking necessarily to buy a 10K dollar car...if he had seen one that was really nice in that price range, he would have bought it.
But hes not a speed freak-hes more in for the handling. And to get a turbo with equivalent mileage would be double as much.
True, but the thing is almost as slow in a straight line as my car. :o :D
If you've got a Porsche, might as well have the performance to back up the name.
QuoteQuoteQuoteHmm, that's a shame. Why the sudden decision to buy this one, I though he was looking more into $10k range of cars?
He wasnt looking necessarily to buy a 10K dollar car...if he had seen one that was really nice in that price range, he would have bought it.
But hes not a speed freak-hes more in for the handling. And to get a turbo with equivalent mileage would be double as much.
True, but the thing is almost as slow in a straight line as my car. :o :D
If you've got a Porsche, might as well have the performance to back up the name.
Its not as bad as you make it seem-coming from a LR, when it was floored in 2nd gear, it felt like I was on a rocket ship :lol:
Nah, its really very respectable acceleration. Like I said, hes not looking to win drag races or anything like that...he just wants a nice sports car that he can cruise around in and have fun in...and he doesnt think its worth spending all that extra for the turbo.
Dave, how much more does the Turbo cost to insure than the non turbo? Is that also a reason why your friend didn't buy the Turbo?
In my mind it's pretty poor.
Perhaps it was just the particular example that I was riding in, but acceleration was pretty dissapointing for me. I was expecting alot more when I got my ride in one.
It's plenty of squirt, no doubt, and tons of fun for the driver, but it my mind it's not "Porsche level".
QuoteIn my mind it's pretty poor.
Perhaps it was just the particular example that I was riding in, but acceleration was pretty dissapointing for me. I was expecting alot more when I got my ride in one.
It's plenty of squirt, no doubt, and tons of fun for the driver, but it my mind it's not "Porsche level".
When the accelerator was dumped in 2nd gear, there is a loud roar, and you get pushed (not shoved-its not that brutal) into your seat, and you get a little wooshing feeling in your stomach. Its not up to the level of modern Porsches, but its still good acceleration nonetheless.
Perhaps the one you went in had something wrong with it.
QuotePerhaps the one you went in had something wrong with it.
No, he was just expecting more from a Porsche.
Only other explanation I can think of.:shrug:
Hmmm---acceleration for a 86 NA is listed at 8.9-it definitely felt faster than that.
QuoteHmmm---acceleration for a 86 NA is listed at 8.9-it definitely felt faster than that.
NOt bad actually.
QuoteHmmm---acceleration for a 86 NA is listed at 8.9-it definitely felt faster than that.
That's actually about what it felt like, about the same as my car (depending on the mag).
QuoteQuoteHmmm---acceleration for a 86 NA is listed at 8.9-it definitely felt faster than that.
That's actually about what it felt like, about the same as my car (depending on the mag).
Did you get that whooshing feeling in your stomach?
Dave, how long is your friend plannign to keep the car???
QuoteQuoteQuoteHmmm---acceleration for a 86 NA is listed at 8.9-it definitely felt faster than that.
That's actually about what it felt like, about the same as my car (depending on the mag).
Did you get that whooshing feeling in your stomach?
???
I don't remember, it just felt like any other car that accelerates at the same pace...
I can't say I quite know what you're talking about though.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHmmm---acceleration for a 86 NA is listed at 8.9-it definitely felt faster than that.
That's actually about what it felt like, about the same as my car (depending on the mag).
Did you get that whooshing feeling in your stomach?
???
I don't remember, it just felt like any other car that accelerates at the same pace...
I can't say I quite know what you're talking about though.
When a car accelerates rather quickly, I seem to get a strange feeling in my stomach, sort of like when you drop in an airplane very quickly. Its hard to explain.
When the car was floored, it was on a slight downward slope, perhaps that contributed something to it.
Can't say I've ever felt that before, other than going over a crest or something.
Then I get a pretty queasy stomach, that's why I avoid rollercoasters (never been on one).
Dave, is your friend planning to mod the 944? Some new rims would be in order. :rockon:
QuoteDave, is your friend planning to mod the 944? Some new rims would be in order. :rockon:
No mods, but perhaps a new set of turbo twist wheels, (if I can convince him). They look so damn good on 944s. B)
QuoteCan't say I've ever felt that before, other than going over a crest or something.
Then I get a pretty queasy stomach, that's why I avoid rollercoasters (never been on one).
excuse my hijack, but you dont like roller coasters :o , you should go to Cedar Point sometime and ride the Millenium Force and the Top Thrill Dragster. The Dragster goes from 0-120 in 4s, and then climbs 420ft in the air, then spirals you straight back down :rockon:
QuoteQuoteDave, is your friend planning to mod the 944? Some new rims would be in order. :rockon:
No mods, but perhaps a new set of turbo twist wheels, (if I can convince him). They look so damn good on 944s. B)
YOu mean the ones on 996 911 Turbos? That'd be the coolest looking car on the block! :praise: :rockon:
QuoteQuoteCan't say I've ever felt that before, other than going over a crest or something.
Then I get a pretty queasy stomach, that's why I avoid rollercoasters (never been on one).
excuse my hijack, but you dont like roller coasters :o , you should go to Cedar Point sometime and ride the Millenium Force and the Top Thrill Dragster. The Dragster goes from 0-120 in 4s, and then climbs 420ft in the air, then spirals you straight back down :rockon:
NO thanks. I went to great america, rode on all the coasters, and felt like i was going to barf on the way back.
End of thread jack. :lol:
My bro-in-law has an old 944 - NA, I think an '86, same grey color. Has over 250K miles. He loves the thing. I looked up the stats, and I think it is a 9 sec 0-60, but we're talking mid-range torque (30-50 mph range) and handling balance. I can still kick his but in a straight line, but eventually, he'd beat me on a track because of handling. Nice ride - I hope your friend enjoys it!
QuoteMy bro-in-law has an old 944 - NA, I think an '86, same grey color. Has over 250K miles. He loves the thing. I looked up the stats, and I think it is a 9 sec 0-60, but we're talking mid-range torque (30-50 mph range) and handling balance. I can still kick his but in a straight line, but eventually, he'd beat me on a track because of handling. Nice ride - I hope your friend enjoys it!
Thanks :)
The NA felt powerful enough, the turbo must be a bomb. :o
I booted around in an 87 NA version a few months ago. I can tell you that yes, it was definitely slow and it felt like the 16 second car that it was. Back seat is absolutely useless except for 6 year olds. The car you showed was badly beaten on. Mine had 150k miles and the interior looked very good. I'd say pass on that car and drop the wad of extra cash on the turbo version. By simply upgrading the turbo to a bigger one and chipping it you can make 350hp. I wouldn't buy another NA 944 at any price (we had $2500 into ours), but I'd definitely consider the turbo.
QuoteI booted around in an 87 NA version a few months ago. I can tell you that yes, it was definitely slow and it felt like the 16 second car that it was. Back seat is absolutely useless except for 6 year olds. The car you showed was badly beaten on. Mine had 150k miles and the interior looked very good. I'd say pass on that car and drop the wad of extra cash on the turbo version. By simply upgrading the turbo to a bigger one and chipping it you can make 350hp. I wouldn't buy another NA 944 at any price (we had $2500 into ours), but I'd definitely consider the turbo.
It wasnt badly beaten on, if you could say that. The car had been sitting since 2001, so thats why the interior is so dirty and dusty. But the exterior of the car is in very good condition. The guy at PSH Motorsports takes 944s and fixes them completely up (sort of like what your family does with cars). So the car got a new engine, timing belts, water pump all in the last week. I'll clean up the interior, and show you what a difference it makes.-My flash lit up the whole interior, so all the dust got illuminated.
The NA has it's purpose imo. If you don't need blistering acceleration but enjoy they Porsche feel and handling, the turbo would just be an extra cost and tricky maintanance item.
QuoteThe NA has it's purpose imo. If you don't need blistering acceleration but enjoy they Porsche feel and handling, the turbo would just be an extra cost and tricky maintanance item.
Its only really a tricky maintenance item in a older mileage 944, but my friend didnt really want to pay extra for a turbo, as he is by no means a drag racer. So a NA serves his purpose just fine.
QuoteQuoteThe NA has it's purpose imo. If you don't need blistering acceleration but enjoy they Porsche feel and handling, the turbo would just be an extra cost and tricky maintanance item.
Its only really a tricky maintenance item in a older mileage 944,
Which is what you would get for $2,000...right?
QuoteQuoteQuoteThe NA has it's purpose imo.? If you don't need blistering acceleration but enjoy they Porsche feel and handling, the turbo would just be an extra cost and tricky maintanance item.
Its only really a tricky maintenance item in a older mileage 944,
Which is what you would get for $2,000...right?
Turbos tend to need to be replaced with high miles-and they put more strain on the engine, so youre better off with a NA + high miles, than with a turbo +high miles.
The car was listed at 3K.
QuoteQuoteThe NA has it's purpose imo.? If you don't need blistering acceleration but enjoy they Porsche feel and handling, the turbo would just be an extra cost and tricky maintanance item.
Its only really a tricky maintenance item in a older mileage 944, but my friend didnt really want to pay extra for a turbo, as he is by no means a drag racer. So a NA serves his purpose just fine.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Does anybody who buys an old Porsche care about "tricky maintainence"? :lol:
Besides, I'm going to have my T3 turbo rebuilt for $100-125 this winter at a diesel mechanic. I don't know what kind of turbo the 944 has, but I can't imagine it would cost $1000 to rebuild one. As long as it does go "clang-clang-clang" (been there <_< ) when you rev it up, maintainence shouldn't be that expensive for just one turbo. I really don't know why people think turbos are so damn expensive.
The only thing I would worry about is whether or not the rest of the car can handle the extra power that comes with forced induction. If my Saab was built to handle turbo power, it would probably still be on the road.
I'm not knocking the N/A at all, but I find it hard to believe that a Turbo is that much more expensive to maintain than the N/A. Although, I am by no means a Porschephile.
QuoteQuoteQuoteThe NA has it's purpose imo.? If you don't need blistering acceleration but enjoy they Porsche feel and handling, the turbo would just be an extra cost and tricky maintanance item.
Its only really a tricky maintenance item in a older mileage 944, but my friend didnt really want to pay extra for a turbo, as he is by no means a drag racer. So a NA serves his purpose just fine.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Does anybody who buys an old Porsche care about "tricky maintainence"? :lol:
Besides, I'm going to have my T3 turbo rebuilt for $100-125 this winter at a diesel mechanic. I don't know what kind of turbo the 944 has, but I can't imagine it would cost $1000 to rebuild one. As long as it does go "clang-clang-clang" (been there <_< ) when you rev it up, maintainence shouldn't be that expensive for just one turbo. I really don't know why people think turbos are so damn expensive.
The only thing I would worry about is whether or not the rest of the car can handle the extra power that comes with forced induction. If my Saab was built to handle turbo power, it would probably still be on the road.
I'm not knocking the N/A at all, but I find it hard to believe that a Turbo is that much more expensive to maintain than the N/A. Although, I am by no means a Porschephile.
No one said it was much more to maintain-thats not a reason my friend didnt buy a turbo. He just didnt need all the acceleration, and a NA version suffices for him.
I think that turbos in general put a larger strain on the engine (in terms of high mileage cars). So even when the turbo breaks, you might have to replace major stuff in the engine if you plan on putting lots of miles on the car.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThe NA has it's purpose imo.? If you don't need blistering acceleration but enjoy they Porsche feel and handling, the turbo would just be an extra cost and tricky maintanance item.
Its only really a tricky maintenance item in a older mileage 944, but my friend didnt really want to pay extra for a turbo, as he is by no means a drag racer. So a NA serves his purpose just fine.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Does anybody who buys an old Porsche care about "tricky maintainence"? :lol:
Besides, I'm going to have my T3 turbo rebuilt for $100-125 this winter at a diesel mechanic. I don't know what kind of turbo the 944 has, but I can't imagine it would cost $1000 to rebuild one. As long as it does go "clang-clang-clang" (been there <_< ) when you rev it up, maintainence shouldn't be that expensive for just one turbo. I really don't know why people think turbos are so damn expensive.
The only thing I would worry about is whether or not the rest of the car can handle the extra power that comes with forced induction. If my Saab was built to handle turbo power, it would probably still be on the road.
I'm not knocking the N/A at all, but I find it hard to believe that a Turbo is that much more expensive to maintain than the N/A. Although, I am by no means a Porschephile.
No one said it was much more to maintain-thats not a reason my friend didnt buy a turbo. He just didnt need all the acceleration, and a NA version suffices for him.
I think that turbos in general put a larger strain on the engine (in terms of high mileage cars). So even when the turbo breaks, you might have to replace major stuff in the engine if you plan on putting lots of miles on the car.
That's why I alluded to the Saab. If a high performance model is properly engineered, it will be beefed up to cope with the extra power.
I'm not sure what the case is with the 944, because like I said, I'm no Porschephile.
With as long as Porsche has been turboing engines I imagine it can handle the stress.