Link (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=187692588&dealer_id=1390909&car_year=1999&bkms=1130877091685&model=911&make3=sel_one&make2=POR&lang=en&isp=y&start_year=1981&engine=&certified=&fuel=&search_type=both&distance=0&model2=911TURBO&first_record=51&make=POR&color=&min_price=1&drive=&max_mileage=&address=18966&advanced=y&end_year=2006&pager.offset=50&doors=&transmission=Manual&max_price=40000&cardist=7)
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I'm swinging out to take a look at this 911 tomorrow, since it is so close to my house, and the price is good. What do you guys think? Should I try to fulfill a lifelong dream, or should I look into something like a 2003 Boxster S?
Do you have $39000?
I thought you didn't like convertibles?
:blink:
I love convertibles!
And this would be replacing the Passat, so 39K is feasible on the revised budget.
I was originally looking at 993s, but I found several 996s at the same price level (even a 964 Turbo, but I don't think I want to go that old, 1991).
Quote:blink:
I love convertibles!
And this would be replacing the Passat, so 39K is feasible on the revised budget.
I was originally looking at 993s, but I found several 996s at the same price level (even a 964 Turbo, but I don't think I want to go that old, 1991).
would your parents honestly sign the papers on a 911 for you?
Oh, and 993s are cooler, but shit I wouldn't turn down any 911
QuoteQuote:blink:
I love convertibles!
And this would be replacing the Passat, so 39K is feasible on the revised budget.
I was originally looking at 993s, but I found several 996s at the same price level (even a 964 Turbo, but I don't think I want to go that old, 1991).
would your parents honestly sign the papers on a 911 for you?
Yeah--honestly, more readily than on an Evo, STi, or even a WRX.
Oh, I was thinking of someone else then.
Yeah dude, buy it. First wring it out and make sure it complys to your sporting standards :praise:
Yeah, I mean, the interior has to be in good shape and it has to have the right options, but it should work. I might be able to move on it next week, even.
I have personally never been a fan of the 996, but if you like it go for it.
Interesting set of criteria they have..
Shit so long as it has a stick who gives a damn? It's a 911!
QuoteInteresting set of criteria they have..
Shit so long as it has a stick who gives a damn? It's a 911!
My dad would also prefer I have a 911 than a G35 or 350Z, believe it or not. He's very German biased, and he knows I love Porsches more than anything else.
QuoteQuoteInteresting set of criteria they have..
Shit so long as it has a stick who gives a damn? It's a 911!
My dad would also prefer I have a 911 than a G35 or 350Z, believe it or not. He's very German biased, and he knows I love Porsches more than anything else.
Well then shit you'd be a fool not to do it.
QuoteQuoteQuoteInteresting set of criteria they have..
Shit so long as it has a stick who gives a damn? It's a 911!
My dad would also prefer I have a 911 than a G35 or 350Z, believe it or not. He's very German biased, and he knows I love Porsches more than anything else.
Well then shit you'd be a fool not to do it.
If it feels right tomorrow, and I can make a move, then I'll get it done.
You live in Pennslyvania, and you want to drive a 911 convertible year around?
Personally, if I were you, I'd be looking for a 911 Carrera-4S coupe of the same generation and mileage.
QuoteYou live in Pennslyvania, and you want to drive a 911 convertible year around?
Personally, if I were you, I'd be looking for a 911 Carrera-4S coupe of the same generation and mileage.
Nope. The Carrera is rear engine, which means the straight line traction is going to be great (and this has TCS) and it will throttle steer easily with TCS (or PSM, as Porsche calls it) off.
It will probably be easier than my E320.
Sure, it'd have good starting traction, but I would think a car with that much rear weight bias would have it's tail sliding all over the place when you try to go anywhere but straight.
QuoteSure, it'd have good starting traction, but I would think a car with that much rear weight bias would have it's tail sliding all over the place when you try to go anywhere but straight.
That's called "throttle steer", MrH. Besides, I'd be judicious about snow usage anyway.
Having a tail happy car can be a bit tiresome after awhile. By using the words "throttle steer" you're trying to make a negative into a positive.
QuoteHaving a tail happy car can be a bit tiresome after awhile. By using the words "throttle steer" you're trying to make a negative into a positive.
A negative for inexperienced drivers. Throttle steer makes snow driving, for me, a bit easier and more fun than driving a FWD car. Remember, I've had both in snow, and I still prefer RWD. I'd give up the stability to turn easier.
Convertables are fine where the weather gets crappy, so long as you can store it under something hard when it snows. Rear-wheel drive is fine too. Granted, my Miata didn't have nearly as much power as a 911, but with snow tires, I bet the Porsche will do fine. (Of course, you salt the roads out there...)
Christ, you rich sons-a-bitches.
RWD 911 is fine. My gfs dad drives a 993 rear-round through RI winters no sweat, all aobut good tires!!
Very cool.
Personally I would suggest a hardtop 911...you could probably get something newer with less miles for the same money.
I agree that you should be fine in the winter even with a convertible. I lived in SJ about 10-15 minutes outside Philly and I drove a Z3 all year round fine. Thinking back I probably should have gotten snow tires in winter rather than driving on summer tires, but even still I never had any traction issues nor did I ever lose control driving in the snow. Of course since you had an E320 you are probably ware of all this anyway. :lol:
Anyway good luck, hope it works out for you.
I'd prefer a coupe (though the convertible is only about one utile less) as well, but this is only 15-20 minutes from my house, and it's the right price. I'd prefer it black, but blue is a good color as well.
Beautiful car, although I would much rather have a Coupe. But still, it looks great, and hell, its a 911!
I prefer the 996 Coupe, but if I bought a 964 or 930 I would have to go with the convertible.
Just saw the pic (my connection doesn't like pictures from autotrader for some reason). That is a beautiful color on the 996.
QuoteI prefer the 996 Coupe, but if I bought a 964 or 930 I would have to go with the convertible.
See, if I were to go anything older than the 996, the cabriolet would be out of the question due to its cumbersome design, with the soft boot, and how awkward it looks when the roof is raised.
They don't open until 10, so I won't leave here until about 9:45 or so.
Well if I got a 911 older than the 993 (or 996 really) it wouldn't be a daily driver, so I would probably always have the top down. And, they look a lot better with the turbo body kit imho (the 964 that is).
She's sold. Someone put a deposit on it. But, the guys there are determined to get my sale, so they said they'll be on the look out for something similar. Also, I'm going to look at a 1991 NSX (which is red, but a stick) that is too expensive. 34,900 for a 1991 is too much. They're pulling in an M3 Cabrio tomorrow, which I might be able to look at, but unfortunately it's an SMG, but that won't stop me from looking.
That sucks, just stay on the look out.
They've got a 328GTS. That's interesting.
I wouldn't want to have an Italian car as a sole source of transportation myself.
QuoteI wouldn't want to have an Italian car as a sole source of transportation myself.
Neither would I...but I've never driven a Ferrari before...that would be a thrill.
Well of course you're obligated to test drive it (;)), but I wouldn't buy it.
I wouldn't buy the M3 either, but I'm still probably going to drive it. I don't like SMGs much more than I like automatics.
QuoteI wouldn't buy the M3 either, but I'm still probably going to drive it. I don't like SMGs much more than I like automatics.
Have you driven an SMG before?
QuoteQuoteI wouldn't buy the M3 either, but I'm still probably going to drive it. I don't like SMGs much more than I like automatics.
Have you driven an SMG before?
I've racked my brain, but I haven't. I almost did, but my friend Zach drove it instead (MR-2).
There's no replacement for displacement. And SMGs can't touch the clutch.
QuoteQuoteQuoteI wouldn't buy the M3 either, but I'm still probably going to drive it.? I don't like SMGs much more than I like automatics.
Have you driven an SMG before?
I've racked my brain, but I haven't. I almost did, but my friend Zach drove it instead (MR-2).
You should definitely try and take the M3 out for a test drive then. Even if you don't like it it should still be interesting.
I do plan on driving it, if just for the experience. The Ferrari is just for kicks. I've never driven one before.
I have a suggestion, what about an Aston Martin DB7? I couldn't find a MT but if you do find one you should be able to get a 97-98 for well under your budget.
QuoteShe's sold. Someone put a deposit on it. But, the guys there are determined to get my sale, so they said they'll be on the look out for something similar. Also, I'm going to look at a 1991 NSX (which is red, but a stick) that is too expensive. 34,900 for a 1991 is too much. They're pulling in an M3 Cabrio tomorrow, which I might be able to look at, but unfortunately it's an SMG, but that won't stop me from looking.
That sucks....Keep looking :rockon:
http://www.hemmings.com/index.cfm/fuseacti...icle_id/222782/ (http://www.hemmings.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/dealers.detail/hmn_vehicle_id/222782/)
This is a little out of your price range, but it is still worth a look (it would probably be just about perfect for you, a black MT Volante):
http://www.vintagemotorssarasota.com/Car_p...astonmartin.htm (http://www.vintagemotorssarasota.com/Car_pages/AstonMartin/98astonmartin/98astonmartin.htm)
That reminded me... I think a Jag XK8 might be worth a look. Unless the engine was overdubbed in Memento, hoodoggies.
He wants a manual.
QuoteLink (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=187692588&dealer_id=1390909&car_year=1999&bkms=1130877091685&model=911&make3=sel_one&make2=POR〈=en&isp=y&start_year=1981&engine=&certified=&fuel=&search_type=both&distance=0&model2=911TURBO&first_record=51&make=POR&color=&min_price=1&drive=&max_mileage=&address=18966&advanced=y&end_year=2006&pager.offset=50&doors=&transmission=Manual&max_price=40000&cardist=7)
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I'm swinging out to take a look at this 911 tomorrow, since it is so close to my house, and the price is good. What do you guys think? Should I try to fulfill a lifelong dream, or should I look into something like a 2003 Boxster S?
Damn, a 19 year old with a porsche! You lucky Bastard! :P B)
I would have looked for a coupe, but I dont think i'd be pissed with a cabrio either.
Congrats, man. :praise:
Well, go for it if it's a dream of yours. The rims sure look good but I am not a fan of the blue color of the car. Other than that, it's a Porsche so it should be serious fun to drive. B)
QuoteI have a suggestion, what about an Aston Martin DB7? I couldn't find a MT but if you do find one you should be able to get a 97-98 for well under your budget.
Like that would be any more reliable than the Ferrari! Plus, DB7s were kind of slow, until the Vantage model came out.
QuoteThis is a little out of your price range, but it is still worth a look (it would probably be just about perfect for you, a black MT Volante):
http://www.vintagemotorssarasota.com/Car_p...astonmartin.htm (http://www.vintagemotorssarasota.com/Car_pages/AstonMartin/98astonmartin/98astonmartin.htm)
That would be perfect, but I really couldn't see that not getting vandalized at State College. It's a shame that I have to worry about that really, but I do.
Besides, 63K is way too expensive.
QuoteThat reminded me... I think a Jag XK8 might be worth a look. Unless the engine was overdubbed in Memento, hoodoggies.
XK8 is far too slow, and the XKR is still an automatic.
QuoteQuoteThis is a little out of your price range, but it is still worth a look (it would probably be just about perfect for you, a black MT Volante):
http://www.vintagemotorssarasota.com/Car_p...astonmartin.htm (http://www.vintagemotorssarasota.com/Car_pages/AstonMartin/98astonmartin/98astonmartin.htm)
That would be perfect, but I really couldn't see that not getting vandalized at State College. It's a shame that I have to worry about that really, but I do.
Besides, 63K is way too expensive.
I would think a porsche would get just as vandalized.
QuoteQuoteQuoteThis is a little out of your price range, but it is still worth a look (it would probably be just about perfect for you, a black MT Volante):
http://www.vintagemotorssarasota.com/Car_p...astonmartin.htm (http://www.vintagemotorssarasota.com/Car_pages/AstonMartin/98astonmartin/98astonmartin.htm)
That would be perfect, but I really couldn't see that not getting vandalized at State College. It's a shame that I have to worry about that really, but I do.
Besides, 63K is way too expensive.
I would think a porsche would get just as vandalized.
Not nearly as bad. Astons are 120K cars, they would stick out a lot more than a 911 in a row of C classes.
QuoteQuoteThis is a little out of your price range, but it is still worth a look (it would probably be just about perfect for you, a black MT Volante):
http://www.vintagemotorssarasota.com/Car_p...astonmartin.htm (http://www.vintagemotorssarasota.com/Car_pages/AstonMartin/98astonmartin/98astonmartin.htm)
That would be perfect, but I really couldn't see that not getting vandalized at State College. It's a shame that I have to worry about that really, but I do.
Besides, 63K is way too expensive.
Since when has a sub 6 second 0-60 been slow? And, you always could tell your dad that it will likely be worth more when you sell it than it is now (show him prices on V8 Volantes if he doesn't believe you). But, you do have a good point about it sticking out a little too much.
I thought they were low sevens in the original model? Hmm. But all in all, boutique British cars aren't cheap to own and maintain.
Yeah, your right. And, I really don't know the times, though I would think they would be at least under 7 seconds, it does have 350hp after all.
QuoteYeah, your right. And, I really don't know the times, though I would think they would be at least under 7 seconds, it does have 350hp after all.
But it's very heavy. Around 4000 lbs, I believe.
In any case, I appreciate the advice.
Actually, it has 340hp and so far the only number I have found is 5.7.
That's not bad, but a Carrera still faster than that, and definitely handles better.
Definitely.
What about a NSX-T:
http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=1...rdist=90#vdptop (http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=191763492&dealer_id=57130268&car_year=2000&search_type=both&make=ACURA&transmission=Manual&distance=0&model=NSX&address=75941&make2=sel_one&advanced=y&certified=&max_mileage=&max_price=&bkms=1131225903703&min_price=&first_record=51&end_year=2006&color=&start_year=1981&drive=&isp=y&pager.offset=50&engine=&doors=&fuel=&lang=en&cardist=90#vdptop)
http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=1...dist=811#vdptop (http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=191433332&dealer_id=2964588&car_year=2001&search_type=both&make=ACURA&transmission=Manual&distance=0&model=NSX&address=75941&make2=sel_one&advanced=y&certified=&max_mileage=&max_price=&bkms=1131225903703&min_price=&first_record=51&end_year=2006&color=&start_year=1981&drive=&isp=y&pager.offset=50&engine=&doors=&fuel=&lang=en&cardist=811#vdptop)
http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=1...ist=1371#vdptop (http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=191689711&dealer_id=45755694&car_year=1997&search_type=both&make=ACURA&transmission=Manual&distance=0&model=NSX&address=75941&make2=sel_one&advanced=y&certified=&max_mileage=&max_price=&bkms=1131225903703&min_price=&first_record=51&end_year=2006&color=&start_year=1981&drive=&isp=y&pager.offset=50&engine=&doors=&fuel=&lang=en&cardist=1371#vdptop)
I've thought about the NSX, but I'd want a 96 or newer to maximize the power output, but those are a pretty pricy proposition sometimes. I love the cars, don't get me wrong, but the Porsche Boxster S would do just about as much for less without the mess of storing the targa top.
EDIT: Wow...that's a clean car! A lot of miles for an NSX, but these are some of the most reliable exotics out there. Maybe I'll look around a little harder at the NSX.
I have a feeling I could never convince them on this. (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=190182981&dealer_id=571363&car_year=2000&bkms=1131229123291&model=VIPER&make2=sel_one&lang=en&isp=y&start_year=1981&engine=&certified=&fuel=&search_type=both&distance=0&first_record=26&make=DODGE&color=&min_price=1&drive=&max_mileage=&address=18966&advanced=y&end_year=2006&pager.offset=25&transmission=Manual&doors=&max_price=45000&cardist=1361#vdptop)
Hmm...Just how unreliable are 1997 Esprits?
QuoteI have a feeling I could never convince them on this. (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=190182981&dealer_id=571363&car_year=2000&bkms=1131229123291&model=VIPER&make2=sel_one&lang=en&isp=y&start_year=1981&engine=&certified=&fuel=&search_type=both&distance=0&first_record=26&make=DODGE&color=&min_price=1&drive=&max_mileage=&address=18966&advanced=y&end_year=2006&pager.offset=25&transmission=Manual&doors=&max_price=45000&cardist=1361#vdptop)
Good luck on that one :D
Esprits have 14 cu ft of trunk space? That's amazing!
Dude, I'd gladly take any of these cars. You are truly lucky to be able to chose from cars like the 911, NSX, M3, etc.
Good luck with whatever you get!
QuoteI've thought about the NSX, but I'd want a 96 or newer to maximize the power output, but those are a pretty pricy proposition sometimes. I love the cars, don't get me wrong, but the Porsche Boxster S would do just about as much for less without the mess of storing the targa top.
EDIT: Wow...that's a clean car! A lot of miles for an NSX, but these are some of the most reliable exotics out there. Maybe I'll look around a little harder at the NSX.
All of the ones I posted are 1996+ and are also under $50k, which is your budget IIRC.
QuoteQuoteI've thought about the NSX, but I'd want a 96 or newer to maximize the power output, but those are a pretty pricy proposition sometimes. I love the cars, don't get me wrong, but the Porsche Boxster S would do just about as much for less without the mess of storing the targa top.
EDIT: Wow...that's a clean car! A lot of miles for an NSX, but these are some of the most reliable exotics out there. Maybe I'll look around a little harder at the NSX.
All of the ones I posted are 1996+ and are also under $50k, which is your budget IIRC.
50K is the budget for a new car (which is relatively irrelevant, since there few cars that touch 50K that I fancy) but for a used car (with financing as opposed to leasing) it would have to be lower, around the 40K range. I don't know if I could push it any further, but the NSX is a good choice. The place that had the 911 has a 1991 NSX, but it's 35K, and that's much more than that car is worth.
QuoteI have a feeling I could never convince them on this. (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=190182981&dealer_id=571363&car_year=2000&bkms=1131229123291&model=VIPER&make2=sel_one&lang=en&isp=y&start_year=1981&engine=&certified=&fuel=&search_type=both&distance=0&first_record=26&make=DODGE&color=&min_price=1&drive=&max_mileage=&address=18966&advanced=y&end_year=2006&pager.offset=25&transmission=Manual&doors=&max_price=45000&cardist=1361#vdptop)
Vipers arent the best everday cars ;) Especially earlier gen ones...
Corvette, either new or slightly used? GTO? New Mustang for 25k? Make it crazy-fast for 32k?
I believe he is still considering a GT500 convertible.
*cough*insurance!*cough*
If that's not an issue, then all I can say is: :rockon:!
What can you do with the extra $$? Lets say you buy a car for $20K (god forbid! ;) ), could you invest the other $30K allowance? That's what I'd do, but I'd buy like an $8K car and invest the other $42K.
Yeah...I'm a loser.
QuoteCorvette, either new or slightly used? GTO? New Mustang for 25k? Make it crazy-fast for 32k?
The Corvette just doesn't strike me. It's a car I'd love to have, but not to own. There's just something about it that turns me off. Maybe it's the kid I knew in high school that had Corvette.
Stang doesn't really do it for me either--I hate to admit it, but it's an image thing, I think. Almost for the same reason I'd never own a Scion, even if they started making good cars.
GTO's got no sunroof.
QuoteWhat can you do with the extra $$? Lets say you buy a car for $20K (god forbid! ;) ), could you invest the other $30K allowance? That's what I'd do, but I'd buy like an $8K car and invest the other $42K.
Yeah...I'm a loser.
No, it doesn't work that way! I wish it did, because I'd get something like a 944 Turbo and an MR-2 Spyder and stick the rest of the money into vending machines. There's good money in vending machines.
QuoteI believe he is still considering a GT500 convertible.
I don't believe that will be out in time, but it is quite a machine.
As an aside to what I said earlier about the Mustang...it is a great car, and I would love to own one, but not as my primary car. Later on, when I have the income to own two cars, I would love one as second car (daily or weekend), but right now I don't want to be lumped into a crowd of tilted hat punk kids.
Raza, have you considered a CTS-V?
QuoteRaza, have you considered a CTS-V?
Yes, but they're not the easiest to find. It is a possibility, though.
I'd check AutoTrader, when I looked they had a fair number of them. All manuals, of course.
I found one ten minutes from my house, a 2005 for only 40K. I'll check it out this week.
QuoteQuoteCorvette, either new or slightly used? GTO? New Mustang for 25k? Make it crazy-fast for 32k?
The Corvette just doesn't strike me. It's a car I'd love to have, but not to own. There's just something about it that turns me off. Maybe it's the kid I knew in high school that had Corvette.
Stang doesn't really do it for me either--I hate to admit it, but it's an image thing, I think. Almost for the same reason I'd never own a Scion, even if they started making good cars.
GTO's got no sunroof.
You could have one custom fabricated. Even with that you will have money to spare.
6.0L Corvette Engine[/size]
QuoteQuoteI believe he is still considering a GT500 convertible.
I don't believe that will be out in time, but it is quite a machine.
As an aside to what I said earlier about the Mustang...it is a great car, and I would love to own one, but not as my primary car. Later on, when I have the income to own two cars, I would love one as second car (daily or weekend), but right now I don't want to be lumped into a crowd of tilted hat punk kids.
I don't think that's a fair steryotype. Those kids are more likely to own a 10yo civic than a new Mustang. They can't afford one. I'll bet a good many young professionals and 50yo midlife-crisesers own .
QuoteQuoteQuoteI believe he is still considering a GT500 convertible.
I don't believe that will be out in time, but it is quite a machine.
As an aside to what I said earlier about the Mustang...it is a great car, and I would love to own one, but not as my primary car. Later on, when I have the income to own two cars, I would love one as second car (daily or weekend), but right now I don't want to be lumped into a crowd of tilted hat punk kids.
I don't think that's a fair steryotype. Those kids are more likely to own a 10yo civic than a new Mustang. They can't afford one. I'll bet a good many young professionals and 50yo midlife-crisesers own .
Where I live, kids get new cars from their parents, mostly. And so many of them drive Mustangs and tilt their hats and listen to bad rap music.
A lot of kids around here get new cars for graduation, but few of them get Mustangs or such (an over $20k sticker price and high insurance rates, not a combo parents love).
I'd be lucky to end up with a Civic Si. That and the Integra GS-R would be the only FWD'ers i'd consider.
QuoteQuoteCorvette, either new or slightly used? GTO? New Mustang for 25k? Make it crazy-fast for 32k?
The Corvette just doesn't strike me. It's a car I'd love to have, but not to own. There's just something about it that turns me off. Maybe it's the kid I knew in high school that had Corvette.
Stang doesn't really do it for me either--I hate to admit it, but it's an image thing, I think. Almost for the same reason I'd never own a Scion, even if they started making good cars.
GTO's got no sunroof.
C5's don't look all that good. They strike me as stylized bars of soap.
QuoteQuoteQuoteCorvette, either new or slightly used? GTO? New Mustang for 25k? Make it crazy-fast for 32k?
The Corvette just doesn't strike me. It's a car I'd love to have, but not to own. There's just something about it that turns me off. Maybe it's the kid I knew in high school that had Corvette.
Stang doesn't really do it for me either--I hate to admit it, but it's an image thing, I think. Almost for the same reason I'd never own a Scion, even if they started making good cars.
GTO's got no sunroof.
You could have one custom fabricated. Even with that you will have money to spare.
6.0L Corvette Engine[/size]
The aftermarket ones aren't powered, they don't seal as well, and they don't stow in the roof.
QuoteQuoteQuoteCorvette, either new or slightly used? GTO? New Mustang for 25k? Make it crazy-fast for 32k?
The Corvette just doesn't strike me. It's a car I'd love to have, but not to own. There's just something about it that turns me off. Maybe it's the kid I knew in high school that had Corvette.
Stang doesn't really do it for me either--I hate to admit it, but it's an image thing, I think. Almost for the same reason I'd never own a Scion, even if they started making good cars.
GTO's got no sunroof.
C5's don't look all that good. They strike me as stylized bars of soap.
That's you...I love the C5, it's my favorite Corvette.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteCorvette, either new or slightly used?? GTO?? New Mustang for 25k?? Make it crazy-fast for 32k?
The Corvette just doesn't strike me. It's a car I'd love to have, but not to own. There's just something about it that turns me off. Maybe it's the kid I knew in high school that had Corvette.
Stang doesn't really do it for me either--I hate to admit it, but it's an image thing, I think. Almost for the same reason I'd never own a Scion, even if they started making good cars.
GTO's got no sunroof.
You could have one custom fabricated. Even with that you will have money to spare.
6.0L Corvette Engine[/size]
The aftermarket ones aren't powered, they don't seal as well, and they don't stow in the roof.
Don't Corvettes have removable top panels?
(http://www.mrsmash.co.uk/images/blog%20350z%20roadster%204.jpg)
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Or an S2000? Or would you be averse to that?
Chevy SSR
QuoteOr an S2000? Or would you be averse to that?
I doubt he wants to be at 6000 RPM to get the car moving.
QuoteQuoteOr an S2000? Or would you be averse to that?
I doubt he wants to be at 6000 RPM to get the car moving.
Damn it, this is just setting up an argument for the Honda lovers. Please do not comment on this, as the thread is not about whether an S2000 is driveable, or better than a Vette, or 350z.
Nothing against you the poster, I'm just anticipating what could happen B)
Rag, I commented on the Vette earlier.
As for the S2000 and the 350Z Roadster.
The Z roadster is a great choice, but it's not a 911, and it's roughly the same price as a 1999/2000 911, and the 911's more practical, faster, and a better handler.
The S2000 is a great car, and I love it, but I wouldn't buy a new one, since I would have to buy it from a Honda dealer and give my money to Honda, and I'd rather not. I've had too many bad experiences with my local Honda dealer, and I'm fed up with them. Honestly, I think I'd rather buy a new MX-5 and build it up to beyond an S2000. I'm sure those boys at Flyin' Miata have fabricated some cool go fast bits for the new model by now.
The CTS-V fell through. For one, the car was in the showroom, so I couldn't drive it, and I didn't want to spend time going through all the paperwork if there's a chance that I won't like the car (or that I'd like an M3 better). Also, the salesman was a complete asshole, and I don't think I'll be going back to Reedman Toll ever again. I have half a mind to call his manager and complain.
I'm actually thinking about buying a new car again...
(http://www.antandpete.com/Photos/RX-8%20in%20rain.JPG)
The SSR suggestion doesn't even deserve a response? :lol:
If I was in your situation I, almost without a doubt, go for a RX8. I like the car more and more every day. I thought you already dismissed it for some reason so I didn't suggest it.
QuoteThe SSR suggestion doesn't even deserve a response? :lol:
If I was in your situation I, almost without a doubt, go for a RX8. I like the car more and more every day. I thought you already dismissed it for some reason so I didn't suggest it.
I had dismissed it because of the inaccessibility of Mazda dealerships, but I think for love, it's the least that I can do.
And no, the SSR doesn't deserve a response.
QuoteQuote from: SaltyDog,Nov 9 2005, 02:21 PMThe SSR suggestion doesn't even deserve a response? :lol:
And no, the SSR doesn't deserve a response.
lol
Raza, was this a Cadillac dealer or a used car dealer?
Dude, lifelong dream? You're only 19, dammit! Anyway, you're damn lucky. How about an Elise?
QuoteDude, lifelong dream? You're only 19, dammit! Anyway, you're damn lucky. How about an Elise?
I'm not sure even Raza's crazy enough to use that as a daily driver in Pennsylvania.
QuoteQuoteOr an S2000? Or would you be averse to that?
I doubt he wants to be at 6000 RPM to get the car moving.
You take that back, biznatch!!! :angry: :angry: :angry:
I'm just kidding. Besides, me, TBR, and Mr. H had a huge argument over this, so no more. Just stop bashing the S2000.
It was a joke, plus the only experience I had with the Honda S2000 was in PGR2 where it was quite a good car for its class.
QuoteIt was a joke, plus the only experience I had with the Honda S2000 was in PGR2 where it was quite a good car for its class.
I don't see why people like to rag on the S2000. It's pretty addicting after 6k. Almost turbo-like. B)
QuoteI'm actually thinking about buying a new car again...
(http://www.antandpete.com/Photos/RX-8%20in%20rain.JPG)
Beautiful, but they take a little extra care and a little extra oil. I'm sure you wouldn't mind though. :D
QuoteQuoteDude, lifelong dream? You're only 19, dammit! Anyway, you're damn lucky. How about an Elise?
I'm not sure even Raza's crazy enough to use that as a daily driver in Pennsylvania.
Yes, I am.
It's a potential candidate, depending on where a Lotus dealer is.
And I think I'm passing on a 911 because I want to own one that I bought with my own money...it'll be sweeter that way.
QuoteQuoteI'm actually thinking about buying a new car again...
(http://www.antandpete.com/Photos/RX-8%20in%20rain.JPG)
Beautiful, but they take a little extra care and a little extra oil. I'm sure you wouldn't mind though. :D
I've done more for love before.
:P
QuoteQuoteQuoteDude, lifelong dream? You're only 19, dammit! Anyway, you're damn lucky. How about an Elise?
I'm not sure even Raza's crazy enough to use that as a daily driver in Pennsylvania.
Yes, I am.
It's a potential candidate, depending on where a Lotus dealer is.
And I think I'm passing on a 911 because I want to own one that I bought with my own money...it'll be sweeter that way.
Good luck clearing any snow that you encounter. :lol:
QuoteQuoteQuoteDude, lifelong dream? You're only 19, dammit! Anyway, you're damn lucky. How about an Elise?
I'm not sure even Raza's crazy enough to use that as a daily driver in Pennsylvania.
Yes, I am.
It's a potential candidate, depending on where a Lotus dealer is.
And I think I'm passing on a 911 because I want to own one that I bought with my own money...it'll be sweeter that way.
There I go, underestimating your "condition" again. :D
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteDude, lifelong dream? You're only 19, dammit! Anyway, you're damn lucky. How about an Elise?
I'm not sure even Raza's crazy enough to use that as a daily driver in Pennsylvania.
Yes, I am.
It's a potential candidate, depending on where a Lotus dealer is.
And I think I'm passing on a 911 because I want to own one that I bought with my own money...it'll be sweeter that way.
There I go, underestimating your "condition" again. :D
Raza's not quite right in the head. :praise:
I never claimed to be.
Hell, I'd drive a Caterham everyday if I could convince my parents to buy it for me. Even a Radical, if I had a helmet for highway drives.
QuoteI never claimed to be.
Hell, I'd drive a Caterham everyday if I could convince my parents to buy it for me. Even a Radical, if I had a helmet for highway drives.
That's why i added a ':praise:' smily. ;)
QuoteRaza, was this a Cadillac dealer or a used car dealer?
It's a new car dealer that's enormous...Jaguar/Chevrolet/Lincoln/Mercury/Subaru/Dodge/Chrysler and probably more that I'm forgetting. It's about the size of two large malls.
They've got a brand new used car showroom, though.
QuoteQuoteI never claimed to be.
Hell, I'd drive a Caterham everyday if I could convince my parents to buy it for me. Even a Radical, if I had a helmet for highway drives.
That's why i added a ':praise:' smily. ;)
Yup. :praise:
QuoteQuoteRaza, was this a Cadillac dealer or a used car dealer?
It's a new car dealer that's enormous...Jaguar/Chevrolet/Lincoln/Mercury/Subaru/Dodge/Chrysler and probably more that I'm forgetting. It's about the size of two large malls.
They've got a brand new used car showroom, though.
:o
That's Ginormous! :o
QuoteQuoteIt was a joke, plus the only experience I had with the Honda S2000 was in PGR2 where it was quite a good car for its class.
I don't see why people like to rag on the S2000. It's pretty addicting after 6k. Almost turbo-like. B)
Revving 6000 RPM gets irritating after awhile. My sister has a TSX, it has absolutely no torque and I can't stand it; I always have to rev it much higher than the Volvo, Audi or Infiniti.
QuoteQuoteQuoteIt was a joke, plus the only experience I had with the Honda S2000 was in PGR2 where it was quite a good car for its class.
I don't see why people like to rag on the S2000. It's pretty addicting after 6k. Almost turbo-like. B)
Revving 6000 RPM gets irritating after awhile. My sister has a TSX, it has absolutely no torque and I can't stand it; I always have to rev it much higher than the Volvo, Audi or Infiniti.
The TSX is actually pretty lively with the manual, but I prefer my 1.8T over it myself.
QuoteQuoteQuoteRaza, was this a Cadillac dealer or a used car dealer?
It's a new car dealer that's enormous...Jaguar/Chevrolet/Lincoln/Mercury/Subaru/Dodge/Chrysler and probably more that I'm forgetting. It's about the size of two large malls.
They've got a brand new used car showroom, though.
:o
That's Ginormous! :o
The huge car dealerships are always interesting. There was one I saw in Wisconsin (can't remember the name) that advertised itself as the "180 acre" car mall, it had nearly every mainstream group of brands I could think of. Locally there's a decent sized one that takes up quite a bit of land on either side of the interstate, but it's not amazingly huge.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteRaza, was this a Cadillac dealer or a used car dealer?
It's a new car dealer that's enormous...Jaguar/Chevrolet/Lincoln/Mercury/Subaru/Dodge/Chrysler and probably more that I'm forgetting. It's about the size of two large malls.
They've got a brand new used car showroom, though.
:o
That's Ginormous! :o
The huge car dealerships are always interesting. There was one I saw in Wisconsin (can't remember the name) that advertised itself as the "180 acre" car mall, it had nearly every mainstream group of brands I could think of. Locally there's a decent sized one that takes up quite a bit of land on either side of the interstate, but it's not amazingly huge.
I got lost in the parking lot, and if you walking briskly from one end to the other, you'd run out of breath. There are two lots, one with the showrooms, one with the cars.
I found a Lotus dealer.
:o :D :P :praise:
So, I should be looking at the M3 and RX-8 (and probably MX-5) tomorrow, and the Lotus on Saturday if I'm not up for it (since it's in the opposite direction).
I thought the Elise was waiting-list only. They sound like the type who'd ask for a deposit at the very least for a test drive.
QuoteI found a Lotus dealer.
:o :D :P :praise:
So, I should be looking at the M3 and RX-8 (and probably MX-5) tomorrow, and the Lotus on Saturday if I'm not up for it (since it's in the opposite direction).
Considering the fuel mileage you get normally, I'd be afraid to see what kind of fuel mileage you'd rack up in an RX8.
QuoteI thought the Elise was waiting-list only. They sound like the type who'd ask for a deposit at the very least for a test drive.
If it is waiting list only, why would they need a dealership? Wouldn't just an office building suffice? I'd think a deposit is a bit extreme, even though the Lotus is a dedicated machine, it's still just a 40K car, along the lines of a 330i, Z4, or Boxster, and I don't see other dealers taking deposits on those for a test drive. I'm sure they have to have at least a car in their showroom to see if my feet will fit in it.
Mazda redesigned the website...I like it.
QuoteMazda redesigned the website...I like it.
I noticed that too. I like the new one, but I wish they kept the black background.
QuoteQuoteMazda redesigned the website...I like it.
I noticed that too. I like the new one, but I wish they kept the black background.
That was the thing I didn't like about the last website...the black background was too drab and dark.
On another note, I'm going to go look at that M3 in a while.
#&^#$^$&@
Why do banks always have to be closed whenever I actually have the time to go to them?
Good luck with the Lotus man. :praise:
Quote#&^#$^$&@
Why do banks always have to be closed whenever I actually have the time to go to them?
Odd place for this post, but my bank is almost always open.
:P
You need a better bank.
Raza, is that M3 that you're lookking at used?
Okay, so I just had a lengthy chat with the Lotus dealership's sales manager, and they've got 8 cars on the lot, 3 have Touring packs, 1 has the Touring and Sport (it's a slightly used dark green car, with 2000 miles), and the others are mostly standard cars. Touring is a must, since it would be an everyday car, and he ballparked a good number on the lease. I told him outright that I was 19, and if that was a problem that I wanted to be upfront about it and he said "If you have a driver's license, it's okay with us" and "we're car guys first, salesmen second".
I'm going tomorrow to drive a model and look at it. They have a dedicated silver demo car that I believe is the standard model, which will weigh 15 pounds less than the model that I would buy.
They have an Arctic Silver over Red leather Touring pack that I particularly fancy myself, and it has the soft top instead of the hard top, which means I can store it in the trunk when I'm about.
Holy shit. My heart is racing just thinking about it.
QuoteRaza, is that M3 that you're lookking at used?
Yes, it is used. It's a cabrio (unfortunately) and it's an SMG (unfortunately).
I thought you liked convertibles?
QuoteI thought you liked convertibles?
I do, immensely, however, I'm not a fan of the 3 series cabrio. It's seems to lose quite a bit of structural rigidity, add quite a bit of weight, and offers no real advantage to the coupe in style or functionality. I prefer sports cars with open tops, but I'm not a fan of the 2+2 convertible (though I know the 911 is, but it's a 911, and therefore it is above fault) The E46's shape doesn't lend itself to a convertible shape, with the top up the thick C pillar makes it look blocky, and top down it looks like a plateau--simply long and flat.
Whoa, I could have sworn this was the Chat thread....
Good luck w/ the Lotus.
QuoteOkay, so I just had a lengthy chat with the Lotus dealership's sales manager, and they've got 8 cars on the lot, 3 have Touring packs, 1 has the Touring and Sport (it's a slightly used dark green car, with 2000 miles), and the others are mostly standard cars. Touring is a must, since it would be an everyday car, and he ballparked a good number on the lease. I told him outright that I was 19, and if that was a problem that I wanted to be upfront about it and he said "If you have a driver's license, it's okay with us" and "we're car guys first, salesmen second".
I'm going tomorrow to drive a model and look at it. They have a dedicated silver demo car that I believe is the standard model, which will weigh 15 pounds less than the model that I would buy.
They have an Arctic Silver over Red leather Touring pack that I particularly fancy myself, and it has the soft top instead of the hard top, which means I can store it in the trunk when I'm about.
Holy shit. My heart is racing just thinking about it.
Good luck man, but i wouldn't get the Touring or Sport packages.
The Touring pack adds weight, yes (though 20 pounds is really negligible, since I will be modifying the car later on) but it makes it liveable on a day to day basis. If it were a dedicated weekender, then the Sport pack is all I would get.
Okay, back from the RX-8.
First, I have to say it was not the most exciting car I've ever driven. The Boxster S is still better to drive, in terms of feedback, handling, and purity, but this is damn close. The seats are very comfortable and supportive, and it's easy to get into the proper driving position. I wish the steering wheel would telescope, but the tilt feature is almost as good.
The interior was shocking--it's so much better than the Nissan 350Z. The plastic on the dash never seems like a cheap slab, the interior actually feels bespoke (even though I spotted some Mazda6 bits in there) compared to the Z car which feels mass produced. Though Tiff complained of the rotary shaped shifter, I found it fit my hand perfectly, the point of the shifter fit great into the space between my thumb and index finger. The rifle grip handbrake is uber-cool, too. There are rotary shapes everywhere, from the front and rear air dams to the front seat headrests. There's even enough rear seat space to put two people for a few hours without hearing complaints.
The ride is firm, but compliant and smooth, never harsh. You're well aware of what's going on underneath, but it never slaps you across the face with it. You could eat highway miles in this car and never think twice about it. Handling is phenomenal, and the car deals with extreme curves with little drama.
The shift action is great, but not the best. It's a little notchy, but the shifts are short and low-effort, but for some reason I had trouble getting it into 3rd gear, and it took me a little while to get used to it. The 350Z, on the other hand is light and effortless, but a litte vague. The clutch is much better and more communicative and easier to modulate than the 350Z's, however, and I think overall, I like the RX-8's transmission better.
For those rotary-doubters out there, there is ample power almost anywhere in the rev band. At 3000rpm in 3rd gear, the car pulls when you step on the gas, no downshift needed. I had the car in pretty bad traffic (Tom probably knows what Roosevelt Boulevard can get like) and never felt like I needed more power. Plus, revving the car is so intoxicating.
Overall, I'd say that this car is a much better dance partner than the Nissan 350Z is, and it's more practical and cheaper to boot.
9000 revs. Now I understand love.
ARe you going to buy the Lotus or this?
What's the answer to any economic question?
So you're going with the RX-8???
QuoteSo you're going with the RX-8???
Depends. The answer to any economic question is "it depends".
It's all about CBA.
Good quasi-review Raza. Two things though: what's wrong with spotting "some Mazda6 bits in there"? (:P) Even if you did, I know for a fact it's only the power mirror controls, the window switches, (both of which are totaly insignificant), the round vents, and maybe the glove box. Well, and a slightly modified time display, unless I'm remembering something very different. Secondly, for some reason, my car always has trouble with going into 3rd too. Obviously it's not the same tranny, but I just thought it was interesting that you mentioned that as well. You really have to hit it just right, and that's even with the manumatic. It's only recently that I've been able to get it to the point were it consistently shifts smoothly.
Other than that, you're making me want one too. :D
Edit: ha, ha just checked the Chat. I referred to it as a quasi-review before I even saw your post. Great minds think alike.
QuoteGood quasi-review Raza. Two things though: what's wrong with spotting "some Mazda6 bits in there"? (:P) Even if you did, I know for a fact it's only the power mirror controls, the window switches, (both of which are totaly insignificant), the round vents, and maybe the glove box. Well, and a slightly modified time display, unless I'm remembering something very different. Secondly, for some reason, my car always has trouble with going into 3rd too. Obviously it's not the same tranny, but I just thought it was interesting that you mentioned that as well. You really have to hit it just right, and that's even with the manumatic. It's only recently that I've been able to get it to the point were it consistently shifts smoothly.
Other than that, you're making me want one too. :D
Edit: ha, ha just checked the Chat. I referred to it as a quasi-review before I even saw your post. Great minds think alike.
:D
Yeah, the first time I shifted into third (funny, though, I chirped them every time into second...it was awesome) I thought I got it in, but I wasn't sure, so I tapped the gas and the revs shot up...so I just pushed a little harder. Second time it almost happened again, but by the third time, I got used to it. Two methods--either finesse it into gear, or slam it in. Anything in between and you'll probably miss. And, on a downshift from fourth to third, I thought I was going from 6th to third, and accidently put it back into 1st. My revs were really low, so it wasn't a big deal, it was just that it seemed a little hard for me to get back into third. But overall, I loved it.
And there's nothing wrong with the Mazda6 bits. I was just saying that otherwise, the interior seemed almost coachbuilt.
I have a feeling you'll get into the Lotus, start it up, and immediately be immersed by the pure, no-BS, sporting cockpit. The exhaust at idle will tease you into revving it up and put a smile on your face before you even move. You'll put it into first, the revvs will drop, and you'll get the same feeling you get as you ascend a roller coaster right before it unmercifully drops you. Your heart is beating and your mind is cleared of everything but you, your Lotus, and they road you will together own. The clutch comes up and grabs some friction as the rear tires bring you back to reality with an unexpected jolt foward. You slam the gas, take off, and you're gone.
I think you'll like the Lotus.
I think I will as well.
Raza, can you gimme a ride in the Elise if you get one? :lol:
Don't forget that you'll have the flashiest ride in town!
QuoteRaza, can you gimme a ride in the Elise if you get one? :lol:
Don't forget that you'll have the flashiest ride in town!
Sure, Rag, if your parents let you. I am pretty hardcore, I swear a lot, and I don't believe in censorship.
QuoteQuoteRaza, can you gimme a ride in the Elise if you get one? :lol:
Don't forget that you'll have the flashiest ride in town!
Sure, Rag, if your parents let you. I am pretty hardcore, I swear a lot, and I don't believe in censorship.
They don't really mind swearing. My dad does it all the time. I just can't play songs with bad words in em.
I'll bring Rage Against the Machine's Evil Empire with me...they'll love that.
QuoteI'll bring Rage Against the Machine's Evil Empire with me...they'll love that.
No, they just don't want me to because my brother will hear it. He's only 8, and he's already sworn a lot, so my parents are working to cut back on that. When he's not around, they don't mind.
QuoteQuoteI'll bring Rage Against the Machine's Evil Empire with me...they'll love that.
No, they just don't want me to because my brother will hear it. He's only 8, and he's already sworn a lot, so my parents are working to cut back on that. When he's not around, they don't mind.
I'll bring Old School, then, and we can watch it with your family.
QuoteQuoteQuoteI'll bring Rage Against the Machine's Evil Empire with me...they'll love that.
No, they just don't want me to because my brother will hear it. He's only 8, and he's already sworn a lot, so my parents are working to cut back on that. When he's not around, they don't mind.
I'll bring Old School, then, and we can watch it with your family.
Uh... How about i come to your place, get a ride in teh Elise, have a few illegal beers and then call it a day?
I'd never facilitate underage drinking.
Err....other than my own.
QuoteI told him outright that I was 19
I thought you were 20?
QuoteQuoteI told him outright that I was 19
I thought you were 20?
Not until April 2006.
QuoteQuoteQuoteI told him outright that I was 19
I thought you were 20?
Not until April 2006.
Then what was all the hubub about your 21st birthday for if it's not for a year and a half?
330i?
:lol:
Right, I forgot... It's too practical.
Go for the Elise.
In other news, I think my dad finally let me steal the 325i back for this week before surgery next week leaves me unable to operate a clutch for a while.
Okay, update. I had to cancel my appointment today, unfortunately (family stuff, ugh) but I will be going on Monday.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI told him outright that I was 19
I thought you were 20?
Not until April 2006.
Then what was all the hubub about your 21st birthday for if it's not for a year and a half?
It's an exciting event.
Quote330i?
:lol:
Right, I forgot... It's too practical.
Go for the Elise.
In other news, I think my dad finally let me steal the 325i back for this week before surgery next week leaves me unable to operate a clutch for a while.
Yeah, the 330i is just too obvious for me.
QuoteQuote330i?
:lol:
Right, I forgot... It's too practical.
Go for the Elise.
In other news, I think my dad finally let me steal the 325i back for this week before surgery next week leaves me unable to operate a clutch for a while.
Yeah, the 330i is just too obvious for me.
Yeah, you need something more unique. More, eye-catching, I'm thinking, right?
QuoteQuoteQuote330i?
:lol:
Right, I forgot... It's too practical.
Go for the Elise.
In other news, I think my dad finally let me steal the 325i back for this week before surgery next week leaves me unable to operate a clutch for a while.
Yeah, the 330i is just too obvious for me.
Yeah, you need something more unique. More, eye-catching, I'm thinking, right?
Not really eye catching, I prefer stealthy cars myself, but the 330i is just too much of an easy answer. And since I've been away from the pretentious world of luxury sedans for quite some time now, I'm not sure I feel too great about moving back into it. There's just something about people with luxury cars (and hybrids). I don't know, really. But the 330i is just too easy.
I think what you're trying to say is that you want a car that's perfect for you, but not one that's also perfect for most other people. Is that what you're getting at?
Elise and RX-8 to an extent fit Raza's needs.
What about the used NSX's? OUtta the question?
QuoteI think what you're trying to say is that you want a car that's perfect for you, but not one that's also perfect for most other people. Is that what you're getting at?
I think so.
It seems I'm more complicated than even I can comprehend at times.
QuoteWhat about the used NSX's? OUtta the question?
I'd rather have a new Elise. Similar, if not better, performance, with a new car warranty and that smell. Don't underestimate new car smell.
Raza, you know what I really want you to get...
QuoteRaza, you know what I really want you to get...
No, what?
QuoteQuoteRaza, you know what I really want you to get...
No, what?
A 3er :rolleyes: :lol:
QuoteQuoteRaza, you know what I really want you to get...
No, what?
M3.
QuoteQuoteI think what you're trying to say is that you want a car that's perfect for you, but not one that's also perfect for most other people. Is that what you're getting at?
I think so.
It seems I'm more complicated than even I can comprehend at times.
That's too bad.
QuoteQuoteQuoteRaza, you know what I really want you to get...
No, what?
M3.
NSX. No one knows of my obsession with NSXs?
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteRaza, you know what I really want you to get...
No, what?
M3.
NSX. No one knows of my obsession with NSXs?
No :o !
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteRaza, you know what I really want you to get...
No, what?
M3.
NSX. No one knows of my obsession with NSXs?
Yeah, i do, but i thought you were vouching for the 3 series.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteRaza, you know what I really want you to get...
No, what?
M3.
NSX. No one knows of my obsession with NSXs?
I knew, but why would you want me to get one?
I'll do this quick, and then I'll elaborate later...
The Lotus Elise is quite simply the most phenomenal car I have ever driven, unseating the Boxster S by quite a bit. The driving experience is pure, the driving position is superb, and the feel is unmatched.
Those who doubt the liveability of such car should actually try driving and sitting in one. Yes, getting out with the top up might be a bit embarassing the first few times, but after five or ten tries, you'll be a master at it.
Getting in, you're overwhelmed by the minimalist interior. If there was ever a car that spoke to my heart, it is this one. The seat is comfortable, and the footwell isn't nearly as tight as the magazine size 11s make it out to be. My size 13s, with their wide sneaker soles had some trouble finding the pedals at the beginning, and sometimes I had a little trouble finding the accelerator when moving from a stop on a hill (switching from brakes to accelerator while releasing the clutch with my big clown feet can be a challenge, since I am the first to admit that I'm not the greatest at driving a stickshift) but overall the tiny pedals that are so close together weren't a problem--had I driving shoes or loafers, I would have been fine.
The clutch is easy to operate, the gearbox is an absolute pleasure, and the shifter does its job while satisfyingly snick-snicking, as the hacks at C&D would say, from gear to gear, always finding its mark. Remarkably, around town, the Elise is docile--well, not quite docile, but not the ravaging monster that it was made out to be. When I mentioned that this would be my only car, they didn't bat an eye, they just said "Then you'd definitely want the touring pack"--I must not be the only one this crazy and masochistic.
I was tooling around back roads in Jersey, some of the worst to drive on, and I didn't find the ride too jarring, except on the worst bits, which would even jar the cabin of a luxury barge. In third gear, under 3500 (which is were I kept it until it was warmed up) the car had fantastic pull--not the type you'd expect from a car with such a puny torque number.
With the top off and autumn in full swing, I moved at speeds enough to keep leaves from entering the cabin through curves that would shake the fortitude of a Ferrari driver at the speeds that I had the car going--all this in 3rd gear under 3500.
When the engine was finally warm, the engine stopped sounding like a bored child, and felt more like it was ready to go. Revving is what it wants to do. Revving is what it craves to do. It's what it needs. It would have been cruel to be witholding. Downshifting from 4th to 2nd in a 90 degree right hander, I exited the corner at full throttle, and at around 6000 I was greeted with a new sensation. The naturally aspirated engine with its clever VVT (that's one point for Toyota) felt like a turbo charger, coming on like the engine had finally come alive, thrusting me back into my seat. Clutch in, shifter back, clutch out--and the power didn't go away. I eventually noticed I was doing some 2 and a half times the speed limit and allowed myself an upshift or three and slowed it back down to about 20 over.
I expected the car to do my head in, and it can, but not if you're ready for it. I've never felt a car with such direct and communicative steering, thanks to the lack of power assistance. It was as if I had a direct link to the wheels, and they were whispering in my ears about what was going on underneath my grippy tires. The steering wheel is incredibly small, but it fits right in the hands and never feels light or frilly.
In short, this is the most fantastic car I've ever driven, seen, or sat in. And I've driven, seen, and sat in some exotic cars.
This is the car for me.
:praise:
Great review razanator...man...you are pretty good at writing these great reviews...I've always dreamed of driving a Elise...and now it is becoming a stronger desire than i ever imagined...
again i say...YOU LUCKY BASTERED :rockon: :praise:
BUY IT!
:praise:
Go for it.
There are 4 Lotus dealers in NY and all of them are downstate. How many Lotus dealerships does the greater NYC area need? :angry:
QuoteThere are 4 Lotus dealers in NY and all of them are downstate. How many Lotus dealerships does the greater NYC area need? :angry:
:lol:
Damn, go for it :o
You'll be one lucky fellow :praise:
Raz..you realize if you buy that lotus your driving it down here and giving me a ride right ;) :lol: B) or even let me drive it :P
QuoteThis is the car for me.
Well then grab a seat cushion and drive that shit! :o Now you have to get it, otherwise we'll all be disappointed. ;)
QuoteRaz..you realize if you buy that lotus your driving it down here and giving me a ride right ;) :lol: B) or even let me drive it :P
Yea right :praise:
If Raza allows me to drive it, then hes cordially invited to the annual moderator bash at Tavern on the Green :lol:
I'm just kidding, its Raza's, and I hope he enjoys it in good health :)
Well, guys, choosing the car was the easy part. Convincing my parents is the hard part.
QuoteWell, guys, choosing the car was the easy part. Convincing my parents is the hard part.
Tell me about it...wish i could convice my parents on a Elise <_< :D
QuoteWell, guys, choosing the car was the easy part. Convincing my parents is the hard part.
Good luck :lol:
QuoteWell, guys, choosing the car was the easy part. Convincing my parents is the hard part.
If your parents are anything like you, they'll buy it for you in a jiffy.
It won't be easy. I might have to not tell them the part about not TCS or power steering. At least my mom won't ever want me to drive her anywhere again.
If you really like it, maybe they'll let you go for it... It's also pretty safe too you know.
I think my dad would push for the Boxster more (even though it's more expensive) because he'd be able to drive it when he wanted to. He wouldn't want to bother with an Elise now.
QuoteI think my dad would push for the Boxster more (even though it's more expensive) because he'd be able to drive it when he wanted to. He wouldn't want to bother with an Elise now.
Has he ever driven an Elise before? Tell him to.
QuoteIf you really like it, maybe they'll let you go for it... It's also pretty safe too you know.
I have a hard time believing that.
QuoteQuoteI think my dad would push for the Boxster more (even though it's more expensive) because he'd be able to drive it when he wanted to. He wouldn't want to bother with an Elise now.
Has he ever driven an Elise before? Tell him to.
My dad is 65--he would not want to try getting into an Elise.
QuoteQuoteIf you really like it, maybe they'll let you go for it... It's also pretty safe too you know.
I have a hard time believing that.
How else is it sold in the US?
QuoteQuoteQuoteI think my dad would push for the Boxster more (even though it's more expensive) because he'd be able to drive it when he wanted to.? He wouldn't want to bother with an Elise now.
Has he ever driven an Elise before? Tell him to.
My dad is 65--he would not want to try getting into an Elise.
Pretty much the same thing with a Boxter.
QuoteQuoteIf you really like it, maybe they'll let you go for it... It's also pretty safe too you know.
I have a hard time believing that.
Best way to survive an accident is to avoid an accident, and the Elise has to be the best at it.
QuoteQuoteQuoteIf you really like it, maybe they'll let you go for it... It's also pretty safe too you know.
I have a hard time believing that.
Best way to survive an accident is to avoid an accident, and the Elise has to be the best at it.
:praise: :praise: :praise:
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI think my dad would push for the Boxster more (even though it's more expensive) because he'd be able to drive it when he wanted to. He wouldn't want to bother with an Elise now.
Has he ever driven an Elise before? Tell him to.
My dad is 65--he would not want to try getting into an Elise.
Pretty much the same thing with a Boxter.
No, no--you can get into a Boxster like it was a normal car...maybe bend your head a bit. Ingress and egress in an Elise with the top on is something else. There's bending, slotting, angling, and sometimes, falling.
Good point Raza, but just because a vehicle is sold in the USA doesn't make it comparatively safe. A Boxster will be safer, period. Especially in a country where large suvs and trucks are very popular, a little roadster like the Elise wouldn't have a chance in a major accident. That doesn't mean people shouldn't buy them, but there is no reason to deceive yourself.
QuoteGood point Raza, but just because a vehicle is sold in the USA doesn't make it comparatively safe. A Boxster will be safer, period. Especially in a country where large suvs and trucks are very popular, a little roadster like the Elise wouldn't have a chance in a major accident. That doesn't mean people shouldn't buy them, but there is no reason to deceive yourself.
This is true (and a notion I've addressed in my upcoming Automobear article), especially since the Elise was given special consideration due to its low volume.
QuoteQuoteQuoteIf you really like it, maybe they'll let you go for it... It's also pretty safe too you know.
I have a hard time believing that.
Best way to survive an accident is to avoid an accident, and the Elise has to be the best at it.
Not really, even C/D said that it can spin out suddenly at its limits.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIf you really like it, maybe they'll let you go for it... It's also pretty safe too you know.
I have a hard time believing that.
Best way to survive an accident is to avoid an accident, and the Elise has to be the best at it.
Not really, even C/D said that it can spin out suddenly at its limits.
Maybe, but it takes a while to reach its limits. ;) :lol: :praise:
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIf you really like it, maybe they'll let you go for it... It's also pretty safe too you know.
I have a hard time believing that.
Best way to survive an accident is to avoid an accident, and the Elise has to be the best at it.
Not really, even C/D said that it can spin out suddenly at its limits.
We all know how reliable the baffoons at C/D are....mabye i should check out the baffon thread to get rid of them...(raza may only get that one ;) )
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIf you really like it, maybe they'll let you go for it... It's also pretty safe too you know.
I have a hard time believing that.
Best way to survive an accident is to avoid an accident, and the Elise has to be the best at it.
Not really, even C/D said that it can spin out suddenly at its limits.
We all know how reliable the baffoons at C/D are....mabye i should check out the baffon thread to get rid of them...(raza may only get that one ;) )
I get it. <_<
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIf you really like it, maybe they'll let you go for it... It's also pretty safe too you know.
I have a hard time believing that.
Best way to survive an accident is to avoid an accident, and the Elise has to be the best at it.
Not really, even C/D said that it can spin out suddenly at its limits.
Any car with RWD can spin out at its limits.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIf you really like it, maybe they'll let you go for it... It's also pretty safe too you know.
I have a hard time believing that.
Best way to survive an accident is to avoid an accident, and the Elise has to be the best at it.
Not really, even C/D said that it can spin out suddenly at its limits.
Any car with RWD can spin out at its limits.
Some are more prone to snap oversteer than others. Early second generation MR2s had a reputation for sudden snap oversteer.
I made the traction control come on a few times today (raining all day long)
Still getting to know the car's limits. I knew the Audi really well, and I'm waiting for a snowy sunday morning to get acquanted with the 3 in a parking lot without DTC.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIf you really like it, maybe they'll let you go for it... It's also pretty safe too you know.
I have a hard time believing that.
Best way to survive an accident is to avoid an accident, and the Elise has to be the best at it.
Not really, even C/D said that it can spin out suddenly at its limits.
Any car with RWD can spin out at its limits.
Some are more prone to snap oversteer than others. Early second generation MR2s had a reputation for sudden snap oversteer.
Mid engine + mellow alignment = snap oversteer...
according to my brother...a mildy aggressive alignment with good tires solves this prob
What's the difference between the "agressive" and "mellow" alignments?
QuoteWhat's the difference between the "agressive" and "mellow" alignments?
Maybe negative and positive camber? I'd like to know too.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIf you really like it, maybe they'll let you go for it... It's also pretty safe too you know.
I have a hard time believing that.
Best way to survive an accident is to avoid an accident, and the Elise has to be the best at it.
Not really, even C/D said that it can spin out suddenly at its limits.
Any car with RWD can spin out at its limits.
Some are more prone to snap oversteer than others. Early second generation MR2s had a reputation for sudden snap oversteer.
Well, almost any mid engined car is susceptible to that (though the current MR-2 Spyder doesn't want to do it at all, not at the speeds I drove it, anyway) and if you're aware of something like that, it shouldn't be a problem.
QuoteI made the traction control come on a few times today (raining all day long)
Still getting to know the car's limits. I knew the Audi really well, and I'm waiting for a snowy sunday morning to get acquanted with the 3 in a parking lot without DTC.
Isn't BMW's system called DSC? I remember, because when Tom Ford drove a 645ci (I think) he was wearing a t shirt that said "DSC....off" and I totally wanted it.
I drove the E320 for about a year (little less, maybe 9 months) with ESP on. When I took it off, life was better. When I was in the car with my brother, he insisted that I put it on. I had been driving with it off long enough to forget how quickly it cut in and hampered my getaway. In the rain it's helpful, but in the snow it can go either way.
QuoteThere are 4 Lotus dealers in NY and all of them are downstate. How many Lotus dealerships does the greater NYC area need? :angry:
My guess? 4.
I can't bring myself to comment on this. I better be quiet and back out of here............... :ph34r:
QuoteI can't bring myself to comment on this. I better be quiet and back out of here............... :ph34r:
^doughnut overdose? <_<
QuoteI can't bring myself to comment on this. I better be quiet and back out of here............... :ph34r:
This is your first post in here? I'm hurt.
My personal opinion is that since you are coming from a Passat and an E-class, you are going to miss the reasonable attributes they hold, like space to put your stuff.
QuoteMy personal opinion is that since you are coming from a Passat and an E-class, you are going to miss the reasonable attributes they hold, like space to put your stuff.
He's rich off his ass, he can get an old Volvo DL wagon to haul around stuff and sell it when he's done or something :P
Fuck dude dont knock Volvo DLs I love those things. Almost bought one for 700 bucks at the end of the summer but I didn't feel like struggling with fixing the reverse gear.
QuoteFuck dude dont knock Volvo DLs I love those things. Almost bought one for 700 bucks at the end of the summer but I didn't feel like struggling with fixing the reverse gear.
Stop drunkposting or whatever the hell these are.
Hey man I'm not drunk! Actually LEFT the party early tonight! And what's wrong with what I said, it related to your Volvo DL comment, considering we're not really talking about the 911 anymore and this is 16 pages in I'm not too terrified about hijacking the thread. And I do happen to have an affinity for these cars for god-knows-whatever reason, and I acutally did testdrive one at the end of the summer and contemplated buying it, but reverse gear was worse-than-sketchy and I didn't think it (or I, in it) would enjoy the 6+ hour ride to school!
Now, other than the exceedingly run-on sentence, what's the beef? This is an internet forum man, I write enough papers for class, I do not feel the need to make all my posts as well structured as my work. If you'd like evidence of a real and functioning brain I can email you something adequate...
Perhaps because he didn't "knock" the 240dl? :rolleyes:
QuoteHey man I'm not drunk! Actually LEFT the party early tonight! And what's wrong with what I said, it related to your Volvo DL comment, considering we're not really talking about the 911 anymore and this is 16 pages in I'm not too terrified about hijacking the thread. And I do happen to have an affinity for these cars for god-knows-whatever reason, and I acutally did testdrive one at the end of the summer and contemplated buying it, but reverse gear was worse-than-sketchy and I didn't think it (or I, in it) would enjoy the 6+ hour ride to school!
Now, other than the exceedingly run-on sentence, what's the beef? This is an internet forum man, I write enough papers for class, I do not feel the need to make all my posts as well structured as my work. If you'd like evidence of a real and functioning brain I can email you something adequate...
calm down dude... B)
QuotePerhaps because he didn't "knock" the 240dl? :rolleyes:
Alright alright alright damn you guys need to lighten up!
Secret Chimp, my most humblest apologies please do accept them! :P
footoflead: it's called tongue-in-cheek humor....
Ah fackit! :lol:
Quote
footoflead: it's called tongue-in-cheek humor....
Ah fackit! :lol:
ah..well it is pretty late..mind not think so clear :D
QuoteQuote
footoflead: it's called tongue-in-cheek humor....
Ah fackit! :lol:
ah..well it is pretty late..mind not think so clear :D
Yeah, me neither!!!
QuoteMy personal opinion is that since you are coming from a Passat and an E-class, you are going to miss the reasonable attributes they hold, like space to put your stuff.
No, I really won't.
:lol:
I never wanted either of those cars. I've always wanted a 2 seater (in particular, the M roadster).
I don't know why you are so certain, since you've never used anything other than a sedanon a daily basis.
QuoteI don't know why you are so certain, since you've never used anything other than a sedanon a daily basis.
I'm certain because I am.
QuoteI don't know why you are so certain, since you've never used anything other than a sedanon a daily basis.
Oh, just because I'm bored....
What's with your incessant need to nitpick everybody's comments?
QuoteFuck dude dont knock Volvo DLs I love those things. Almost bought one for 700 bucks at the end of the summer but I didn't feel like struggling with fixing the reverse gear.
My parents sold their '87 740 GLE for $700 when they bought the Audi. That was a great car.
QuoteQuoteI don't know why you are so certain, since you've never used anything other than a sedanon a daily basis.
Oh, just because I'm bored....
What's with your incessant need to nitpick everybody's comments?
????????????????
I wasn't even talking to you with that post, nor was I even responding to a particular post, I was just throwing something out there.
Anyhoo, back to Raza buying a car. Have you thought about a slightly used Boxster? It's the poor man's Porsche, but you are only 19.
QuoteAnyhoo, back to Raza buying a car. Have you thought about a slightly used Boxster? It's the poor man's Porsche, but you are only 19.
I thought he was set on the Elise :blink: <_<
And if he's buying an Elise new, or thinking about it, then he would be able to buy a new Boxster for just about the same amount.
I'm pretty sure he's driven Boxters and liked them, but they are not as hardcore as an Elise.
If he wasnt able to get the Elise I would recommend looking into an air cooled 911 (or even one of the later ones). Raza has said the 911 is one of his favorite cars, IIRC.
QuoteAnyhoo, back to Raza buying a car. Have you thought about a slightly used Boxster? It's the poor man's Porsche, but you are only 19.
The Boxster is a great car (I was considering a 2003-2005 Boxster S earlier in this thread) but after the Elise, it feels like a compromise.
And there's no such thing as a poor man's Porsche.
Raza, have you ruled out a 911?
QuoteRaza, have you ruled out a 911?
As far as my half of the decision making process has gone, it's done. I've ruled out everything but the Elise. The rest is up to my parents.
I just can't comment here..........can't do it :(
QuoteQuoteRaza, have you ruled out a 911?
As far as my half of the decision making process has gone, it's done. I've ruled out everything but the Elise. The rest is up to my parents.
Shit, when I was 19 I was happy with the 1978 Chrysler Cordoba that my parents gave me when I was 16 because they hadn't driven it in 2 years.
QuoteI just can't comment here..........can't do it :(
Come on, Cat, give me both barrels. I can take it. You think I'm not used to it by now?
QuoteQuoteQuoteRaza, have you ruled out a 911?
As far as my half of the decision making process has gone, it's done. I've ruled out everything but the Elise. The rest is up to my parents.
Shit, when I was 19 I was happy with the 1978 Chrysler Cordoba that my parents gave me when I was 16 because they hadn't driven it in 2 years.
And I wouldn't be asking for anything that they weren't willing to give me. They've given me a price range; it's not like I demanded it. If I had gotten an M roadster like I wanted way back when, we wouldn't be in this pickle. But, in any case, it's not like I'm putting them out.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteRaza, have you ruled out a 911?
As far as my half of the decision making process has gone, it's done. I've ruled out everything but the Elise. The rest is up to my parents.
Shit, when I was 19 I was happy with the 1978 Chrysler Cordoba that my parents gave me when I was 16 because they hadn't driven it in 2 years.
And I wouldn't be asking for anything that they weren't willing to give me. They've given me a price range; it's not like I demanded it. If I had gotten an M roadster like I wanted way back when, we wouldn't be in this pickle. But, in any case, it's not like I'm putting them out.
People get by with DLs or Vanagons or Corollas as college cars. The people with new BMWs or Lexi or GSX-R's or whatever are generally viewed as douchebags, at least where I am.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteRaza, have you ruled out a 911?
As far as my half of the decision making process has gone, it's done. I've ruled out everything but the Elise. The rest is up to my parents.
Shit, when I was 19 I was happy with the 1978 Chrysler Cordoba that my parents gave me when I was 16 because they hadn't driven it in 2 years.
And I wouldn't be asking for anything that they weren't willing to give me. They've given me a price range; it's not like I demanded it. If I had gotten an M roadster like I wanted way back when, we wouldn't be in this pickle. But, in any case, it's not like I'm putting them out.
People get by with DLs or Vanagons or Corollas as college cars. The people with new BMWs or Lexi or GSX-R's or whatever are generally viewed as douchebags, at least where I am.
Ah, well, people shouldn't go around making snap judgments like that.
Though, most of them are douchebags.
Not at my sister's college. I looked around the parking lot, and there were quite a few very new BMW's, Lexii, Mercedes', and I even saw a kid get out of a brand new Range Rover Sport. I was jealous :P
There's a private school 5 mi from my house where tuition is 17k a year. Cars in the student parking lot make cars in the teacher's parking lot look like POSes.
QuoteNot at my sister's college. I looked around the parking lot, and there were quite a few very new BMW's, Lexii, Mercedes', and I even saw a kid get out of a brand new Range Rover Sport. I was jealous :P
I've seen several Cayennes and Range Rovers around GWU in DC, along with countless BMWs and Boxsters.
QuoteThere's a private school 5 mi from my house where tuition is 17k a year. Cars in the student parking lot make cars in the teacher's parking lot look like POSes.
17K is practically a steal, tuition to my high school (although a boarding school) is 35K. Sadly, all the cool cars that kids drive are at home.
QuoteQuoteThere's a private school 5 mi from my house where tuition is 17k a year. Cars in the student parking lot make cars in the teacher's parking lot look like POSes.
17K is practically a steal, tuition to my high school (although a boarding school) is 35K. Sadly, all the cool cars that kids drive are at home.
Do you feel you get a good education?
QuoteQuoteThere's a private school 5 mi from my house where tuition is 17k a year. Cars in the student parking lot make cars in the teacher's parking lot look like POSes.
17K is practically a steal, tuition to my high school (although a boarding school) is 35K. Sadly, all the cool cars that kids drive are at home.
I thought boarding schools only existed in early 1900s England for the sake of books or movies.
Tuition in pretty much any IVY will run you about 40K, with some running about 44K dollars a year.
Which is why I am not going to Cornell...
QuoteQuoteQuoteThere's a private school 5 mi from my house where tuition is 17k a year.? Cars in the student parking lot make cars in the teacher's parking lot look like POSes.
17K is practically a steal, tuition to my high school (although a boarding school) is 35K. Sadly, all the cool cars that kids drive are at home.
Do you feel you get a good education?
I do. I think the education system works much better when there are only 10 students in the class with one teacher rather than 25 students for one teacher. Going to private school from kindergarten through 8th grade on the other hand, was a lot of money spent on a relatively similar education that I could have received in the local public school (which is among the best in the nation).
Although I did not mean to say that 17K is a steal. It is relatively normal for a private, day school tuition.
QuoteTuition in pretty much any IVY will run you about 40K, with some running about 44K dollars a year.
And any small college or liberal arts college will cost around that much.
I'm aiming for any IVY I can get into--if I get in, then I'll worry about the money.
My Dad went to Harvard and did not think it was all that fun (although definitely worth going to). I think you should go to a college where you can have a good time AND get a good education. One where you would fit in best rather than just have a fancy name.
QuoteI'm aiming for any IVY I can get into--if I get in, then I'll worry about the money.
I am not racking up $100,000+ in student loans in order to go to a college that is really only slightly better than my public choice (UVA).
QuoteTuition in pretty much any IVY will run you about 40K, with some running about 44K dollars a year.
Tuition at Cornell is $31K a year. Yes, it's expensive, but it's not quite $40K a year. Of course, room and board and other expenses will push it north of $40K. Surprisingly, tuition at Cornell isn't much more than some private schools. Syracuse's tuition is about $30K a year as well. Room and board puts you at about another $10K a year if you stay in university housing.
Jesus Christ, I thought my $7500 per annum for books and tuition was bad...
That isn't bad at all, a public university in the USA will run you $4.5-6k a year, but only if you live in state. Out of state tuition is in the $20k+ range.
They're all public here, fortunately. Out-of-country students have to pay roughly double the tuition.
QuoteQuoteI'm aiming for any IVY I can get into--if I get in, then I'll worry about the money.
I am not racking up $100,000+ in student loans in order to go to a college that is really only slightly better than my public choice (UVA).
UVA is a very good college though.
No offense, but do people actually go to Canada specifically to go to college there? (from non-NA countries that is).
Fuck yeah. Especially from overseas, out of North America.
QuoteThat isn't bad at all, a public university in the USA will run you $4.5-6k a year, but only if you live in state. Out of state tuition is in the $20k+ range.
Not 4.5K to 6K a year, that's per semester, even for a top 50 school--the value for money on education is incredible. Considering I would have to spend three to four times that to get a better business education. PSU, though not the ideal school, is the best value if you're in this state.
In that case Cornell will actually run you $60k per year :o (I assumed they were by year since princetonreview.com didn't say otherwise).
QuoteIn that case Cornell will actually run you $60k per year :o (I assumed they were by year since princetonreview.com didn't say otherwise).
I guess so...I go to a state school, so I know how much it costs.
I remember when I was applying to schools, the most expensive school (cost of living factored in) was NYU, at 37K and change per semester. At the time, I had applied early decision to it, however, I was rejected.
Bastards.
QuoteIn that case Cornell will actually run you $60k per year :o (I assumed they were by year since princetonreview.com didn't say otherwise).
I doubt that, 60K is just too much. At max I bet it's 45K
http://www.princetonreview.com/college/res...=1&intbucketid= (http://www.princetonreview.com/college/research/profiles/schoolsays.asp?category=1&listing=1023589<ID=1&intbucketid=)
It says tuition is $31,000.
Gotta love the state schools. Univ of NH is a top 100 school and runs around $10K:
U.S. News ranking: National Universities, 97
2005-2006 Expenses
Tuition and fees: $9,778 in-state, $21,498 out-of-state
Room/board: $7,032
My 1st semester's tuition at UMass Lowell (Univ of Lowell at the time) ran a staggering $380! :o I commuted from home, so cost of books and tuition was in the neighborhood of $1k/yr. Not bad for the education I got! It was known as a very good engineering school. A friend of mine went to Boston Univ the same time for $16k including room and board (this is waaayyyy back in 1982 - Freshman year, BTW). I was Mech Eng., he was Elec Eng. He partied his way to a mid semester flunk out and switched to communications - BU wanted his dough, so bent over backwards to keep him around. ULowell couldn't care less about the dough, so I ended up getting a damn good rigorous education. Fall off the wagon, they'd boot your ass out. 70 of us graduated out of a starting class of over 270.
QuoteIt says tuition is $31,000.
Per semester. $31000x2=$62000
QuoteQuoteIt says tuition is $31,000.
Per semester. $31000x2=$62000
Thats for a year, not a semester. Its 15K or so for a semester, and there are two semesters a year.
Saxonyron, my books this semester were more expensive than your actual first semster! You are one lucky guy!
QuoteQuoteQuoteIt says tuition is $31,000.
Per semester. $31000x2=$62000
Thats for a year, not a semester. Its 15K or so for a semester, and there are two semesters a year.
That's what I was thinking, but Raza said otherwise.
QuoteIn that case Cornell will actually run you $60k per year :o (I assumed they were by year since princetonreview.com didn't say otherwise).
I just looked it up the other day on Cornell's website which broke down expenses per semester. It's 15K and change per semester, 31K per year. That excludes room, board, books and other expenses.
I should've known better than to listen to Raza ;)
QuoteI should've known better than to listen to Raza ;)
Well, I do know that my semester bills run around 5-6K, last year I paid about 15K (3 semesters, I took summer courses).
My parents will be paying a bit under $30K/year if I'm accepted to Northwestern (I'm not dorming).
QuoteQuoteIn that case Cornell will actually run you $60k per year? :o (I assumed they were by year since princetonreview.com didn't say otherwise).
I just looked it up the other day on Cornell's website which broke down expenses per semester. It's 15K and change per semester, 31K per year. That excludes room, board, books and other expenses.
A very close friend is there. Expenses are WELL over 40k, maybe over 45.
QuoteQuoteQuoteIn that case Cornell will actually run you $60k per year :o (I assumed they were by year since princetonreview.com didn't say otherwise).
I just looked it up the other day on Cornell's website which broke down expenses per semester. It's 15K and change per semester, 31K per year. That excludes room, board, books and other expenses.
A very close friend is there. Expenses are WELL over 40k, maybe over 45.
exactly...$31k in tuition plus 7k in room/board (maybe higher), plus activity fees, books, ect. and you hit $40k pretty quickly. I think you two are one the same page.
My last year ('05) my room/board was over $7k, not at Cornell, but at a smiliar school.
PSU has a calculator on its website that allows you to estimate your per semester cost. Mine was just over 10K, and only 6K was tuition.