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Title: Audi Le Mans Coming as 2008 R8
Post by: GMPenguin on November 15, 2005, 07:09:54 PM
Click here for article. (http://automove.tbr-webdesign.com/lemansr8.htm)

The pics are pixelated, I know.  I'm still uploading now so I can't change them, but here are URLs to unpixelated ones.

'08 R8 spy pic (the maroon one) (http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/tmb/10330_EFFFAEBAAEJIQ.jpg)

Audi Le Mans (the blue one) (http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/tmb/10329_HXBHDYMFSEFJV.jpg)

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Title: Audi Le Mans Coming as 2008 R8
Post by: Raghavan on November 15, 2005, 07:11:31 PM
I think the marroon one is an A6...
Title: Audi Le Mans Coming as 2008 R8
Post by: GMPenguin on November 15, 2005, 07:21:52 PM
I believe it's just a body.
Title: Audi Le Mans Coming as 2008 R8
Post by: Raghavan on November 15, 2005, 07:30:17 PM
QuoteI believe it's just a body.
That's pretty strange then. Why take all that time to fabricate a fake body?
Title: Audi Le Mans Coming as 2008 R8
Post by: JYODER240 on November 15, 2005, 10:37:02 PM
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QuoteI believe it's just a body.
That's pretty strange then. Why take all that time to fabricate a fake body?
:sigh: :rolleyes:  
Title: Audi Le Mans Coming as 2008 R8
Post by: Raghavan on November 15, 2005, 10:46:59 PM
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QuoteI believe it's just a body.
That's pretty strange then. Why take all that time to fabricate a fake body?
:sigh: :rolleyes:
? Just cover it in brown shit then.
Title: Audi Le Mans Coming as 2008 R8
Post by: Secret Chimp on November 15, 2005, 11:06:06 PM
I am honestly astounded at what an idiot you are.
Title: Audi Le Mans Coming as 2008 R8
Post by: Raghavan on November 15, 2005, 11:13:07 PM
QuoteI am honestly astounded at what an idiot you are.
Why? What'd i say?
Title: Audi Le Mans Coming as 2008 R8
Post by: mazda6er on November 15, 2005, 11:20:37 PM
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QuoteI am honestly astounded at what an idiot you are.
Why? What'd i say?
Think about it. How difficult would it be to drop an A6 (mind you a car that already exists and is massed produced) shell over the chassis/powertrain/etc. of this prototype model?

Not only is it a quick and cheap alternative to actually developing a prototype body suitable for real-world testing, but it's also the perfect camo. It fooled you, and will fool a lot of other people too.

Title: Audi Le Mans Coming as 2008 R8
Post by: Raghavan on November 15, 2005, 11:22:32 PM
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QuoteI am honestly astounded at what an idiot you are.
Why? What'd i say?
Think about it. How difficult would it be to drop an A6 (mind you a car that already exists and is massed produced) shell over the chassis/powertrain/etc. of this prototype model?

Not only is it a quick and cheap alternative to actually developing a prototype body suitable for real-world testing, but it's also the perfect camo. It fooled you, and will fool a lot of other people too.
But the chassis has different dimensions than the A6, so they'd have to custom make one.
Title: Audi Le Mans Coming as 2008 R8
Post by: Secret Chimp on November 15, 2005, 11:30:48 PM
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QuoteI am honestly astounded at what an idiot you are.
Why? What'd i say?
Think about it. How difficult would it be to drop an A6 (mind you a car that already exists and is massed produced) shell over the chassis/powertrain/etc. of this prototype model?

Not only is it a quick and cheap alternative to actually developing a prototype body suitable for real-world testing, but it's also the perfect camo. It fooled you, and will fool a lot of other people too.
But the chassis has different dimensions than the A6, so they'd have to custom make one.
Please, it makes sense. They did it. They wouldn't do it if it didn't make sense. You're trying to wrap your sandwich bag brain around an entire cake that would be better off with saran wrap.
Title: Audi Le Mans Coming as 2008 R8
Post by: giant_mtb on November 16, 2005, 07:40:13 AM
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QuoteI am honestly astounded at what an idiot you are.
Why? What'd i say?
Think about it. How difficult would it be to drop an A6 (mind you a car that already exists and is massed produced) shell over the chassis/powertrain/etc. of this prototype model?

Not only is it a quick and cheap alternative to actually developing a prototype body suitable for real-world testing, but it's also the perfect camo. It fooled you, and will fool a lot of other people too.
But the chassis has different dimensions than the A6, so they'd have to custom make one.
Please, it makes sense. They did it. They wouldn't do it if it didn't make sense. You're trying to wrap your sandwich bag brain around an entire cake that would be better off with saran wrap.
:blink: LOL
Title: Audi Le Mans Coming as 2008 R8
Post by: Raghavan on November 16, 2005, 07:41:39 AM
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QuoteI am honestly astounded at what an idiot you are.
Why? What'd i say?
Think about it. How difficult would it be to drop an A6 (mind you a car that already exists and is massed produced) shell over the chassis/powertrain/etc. of this prototype model?

Not only is it a quick and cheap alternative to actually developing a prototype body suitable for real-world testing, but it's also the perfect camo. It fooled you, and will fool a lot of other people too.
But the chassis has different dimensions than the A6, so they'd have to custom make one.
Please, it makes sense. They did it. They wouldn't do it if it didn't make sense. You're trying to wrap your sandwich bag brain around an entire cake that would be better off with saran wrap.
:blink: LOL
<_<
Chimp cant explain it either, so he resorts to dissing... <_<  
Title: Audi Le Mans Coming as 2008 R8
Post by: thewizard16 on November 16, 2005, 08:10:11 AM
Geesh. Whether I agree with you people some of the time or not, you're heartless.  :blink:  :ph34r:  
Title: Audi Le Mans Coming as 2008 R8
Post by: Raza on November 16, 2005, 08:24:31 AM
Fun fact for you to wrap your minds around...

The last generation A6 4.2 was physically larger than the A6 2.7T and 2.8/3.0
Title: Audi Le Mans Coming as 2008 R8
Post by: mazda6er on November 16, 2005, 08:36:46 AM
QuoteGeesh. Whether I agree with you people some of the time or not, you're heartless.  :blink:  :ph34r:
Hey, not me! I was just explaining.  :(  
Title: Audi Le Mans Coming as 2008 R8
Post by: Secret Chimp on November 16, 2005, 12:23:35 PM
QuoteGeesh. Whether I agree with you people some of the time or not, you're heartless.  :blink:  :ph34r:
I don't suffer fools very well.
Title: Audi Le Mans Coming as 2008 R8
Post by: mazda6er on November 16, 2005, 01:17:46 PM
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QuoteGeesh. Whether I agree with you people some of the time or not, you're heartless.? :blink:? :ph34r:
I don't suffer fools very well.
How do you stomach yourself?!  :o
Title: Audi Le Mans Coming as 2008 R8
Post by: Secret Chimp on November 16, 2005, 01:22:53 PM
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QuoteGeesh. Whether I agree with you people some of the time or not, you're heartless.? :blink:? :ph34r:
I don't suffer fools very well.
How do you stomach yourself?!  :o
If I'm a fool, Raghavan is my freaking boogers.
Title: Audi Le Mans Coming as 2008 R8
Post by: mazda6er on November 16, 2005, 02:02:00 PM
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QuoteGeesh. Whether I agree with you people some of the time or not, you're heartless.? :blink:? :ph34r:
I don't suffer fools very well.
How do you stomach yourself?!  :o
If I'm a fool, Raghavan is my freaking boogers.
That's not so bad. Given the choice between being you, or being your boogers, I'd take the boogers.  :praise:  :lol:  
Title: Audi Le Mans Coming as 2008 R8
Post by: saxonyron on November 16, 2005, 04:24:32 PM
(http://www.audiworld.com/news/05/111505/header.jpg)

I hate to step right into a hornet's nest, but here are the facts according to www.Audiworld.com. Above is the most accurate version of the R8.  It's wheelbase, according to this article clip ("The car's proportions necessitated structural changes to the ASF used in the A8 luxury sedan. The wheelbase of the Nuvolari is over two inches shorter, its hood is shorter, and the rear end is more compact")  is about 113".  The A6 is 108.7"  No way they're gonna stick an A6 body onto an R8 chassis.  My guess is that some meathead at the car spy shot website mixed up pics of the upcoming RS6 (witness the camo on the fenders and trunk).  They already have plenty of R8 bodies lying around to build mules.  This has been in existence for at least 2 yrs now.  They have a) no need to heavily disguise a well known model and B) no need to (as Rags pointed out) cut, weld and stretch an A6 body.  I can't imagine that red A6 in the pic to be accurately labelled.  Rags, all is forgiven.  You may sit at the head of the class.  :lol:  
Title: Audi Le Mans Coming as 2008 R8
Post by: saxonyron on November 16, 2005, 04:26:34 PM
And Raza, you're right - the 4.2 had fender flares and a different front and rear fascia.  Wheelbase was 2" longer, track 1.5" wider (but overall width was 4.8" wider, mostly thanks to the fender flares), and overall length was 1.4" longer.  However, it was still the same chassis.
Title: Audi Le Mans Coming as 2008 R8
Post by: Raghavan on November 16, 2005, 04:46:44 PM
Quote(http://www.audiworld.com/news/05/111505/header.jpg)

I hate to step right into a hornet's nest, but here are the facts according to www.Audiworld.com. Above is the most accurate version of the R8.  It's wheelbase, according to this article clip ("The car's proportions necessitated structural changes to the ASF used in the A8 luxury sedan. The wheelbase of the Nuvolari is over two inches shorter, its hood is shorter, and the rear end is more compact")  is about 113".  The A6 is 108.7"  No way they're gonna stick an A6 body onto an R8 chassis.  My guess is that some meathead at the car spy shot website mixed up pics of the upcoming RS6 (witness the camo on the fenders and trunk).  They already have plenty of R8 bodies lying around to build mules.  This has been in existence for at least 2 yrs now.  They have a) no need to heavily disguise a well known model and B) no need to (as Rags pointed out) cut, weld and stretch an A6 body.  I can't imagine that red A6 in the pic to be accurately labelled.  Rags, all is forgiven.  You may sit at the head of the class.  :lol:
Thank you Sax! I was trying to say just that. I think Chimp just got his ass thoroughly whooped! :lol:  :praise:  
Title: Audi Le Mans Coming as 2008 R8
Post by: saxonyron on November 16, 2005, 05:30:36 PM
QuoteThank you Sax! I was trying to say just that. I think Chimp just got his ass thoroughly whooped! :lol:  :praise:
Hey, I'm neutral here!  No ass-whooping intended.  I'm merely trying to set the record straight.  I'm working for truth and righteousness!  B)
Title: Audi Le Mans Coming as 2008 R8
Post by: Raghavan on November 16, 2005, 05:33:42 PM
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QuoteThank you Sax! I was trying to say just that. I think Chimp just got his ass thoroughly whooped! :lol:? :praise:
Hey, I'm neutral here!  No ass-whooping intended.  I'm merely trying to set the record straight.  I'm working for truth and righteousness!  B)
Let's just say that while you were setting the record straight, you (and partially I) whooped Chimp's ass. :praise:
He deserved it too.
Title: Audi Le Mans Coming as 2008 R8
Post by: Secret Chimp on November 16, 2005, 05:42:21 PM
I would really be less proud of textual discussions on the freaking internet  :rolleyes:  
Title: Audi Le Mans Coming as 2008 R8
Post by: Raghavan on November 16, 2005, 05:51:57 PM
QuoteI would really be less proud of textual discussions on the freaking internet  :rolleyes:
It makes me a bit proud when someone comes and totally kicks your ass after you flame ME. :rolleyes:  
Title: Audi Le Mans Coming as 2008 R8
Post by: Secret Chimp on November 16, 2005, 06:10:27 PM
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QuoteI would really be less proud of textual discussions on the freaking internet  :rolleyes:
It makes me a bit proud when someone comes and totally kicks your ass after you flame ME. :rolleyes:
I haven't established a reputation as a dunderhead, nor do I revel in the outcomes of textual exchanges on the internet as "ass-kickings."
Title: Audi Le Mans Coming as 2008 R8
Post by: saxonyron on November 16, 2005, 06:14:35 PM
Now Rags, you gotta stop calling this an "ass kicking".  I was just setting the record straight.  I have nothing against Secret Chimp or you.  Obviously you two have something against each other, and that's all well and good.  I wish you both luck on your mutual smear campaign!  (j/k! :lol: )
Title: Audi Le Mans Coming as 2008 R8
Post by: SJ_GTI on November 16, 2005, 06:37:05 PM
I have to say digging through all this bickering in practically every thread is annoying. If you guys wants to argue why dont you take it into PM's? Its almost as bad as Ifcar and his constant anti-Audi rants.

Anyway sax thanks for clearing it up. When I saw the picture I figured they probably mis-labeled an S6/RS6.
Title: Audi Le Mans Coming as 2008 R8
Post by: GMPenguin on November 16, 2005, 07:00:56 PM
QuoteI have to say digging through all this bickering in practically every thread is annoying. If you guys wants to argue why dont you take it into PM's?
I agree, it gets rather irritating.

Anyway, back on topic, even if the photo isn't worth s***.
Title: Audi Le Mans Coming as 2008 R8
Post by: saxonyron on November 16, 2005, 07:18:48 PM
Right on GMP!  I'm rushing my deposit over to the dealer now.  That beast is gonna be awesome.  A "detuned" V-10 putting out 450HP.  At 3,100 lbs, should be in Porsche 911 Turbo's performance neighborhood.  I'm figuring about $140K?  I'll have to do a Brinks Truck job.(don't listen, Catman.  I can't have any witnesses!)
Title: Audi Le Mans Coming as 2008 R8
Post by: Raza on November 17, 2005, 03:15:21 PM
QuoteAnd Raza, you're right - the 4.2 had fender flares and a different front and rear fascia.  Wheelbase was 2" longer, track 1.5" wider (but overall width was 4.8" wider, mostly thanks to the fender flares), and overall length was 1.4" longer.  However, it was still the same chassis.
I know--I was the one dispensing the trivia!


Also, did you know that the A6 2.7T was faster (to 60mph) than the A6 4.2 in manual form, as well as when saddled with an automatic.  The 4.2, if I recall correctly, also got poorer gas mileage, and was noticeably more expensive.  Doesn't make sense to buy a car like that when a better, nearly identical car is cheaper--was the V8 worth that much to buyers, or was it the price that made it attractive?  
Title: Audi Le Mans Coming as 2008 R8
Post by: TBR on November 17, 2005, 03:22:35 PM
The 4.2l had much smoother power delivery compared to the 2.7t (particularly when it was paired to the automatic).
Title: Audi Le Mans Coming as 2008 R8
Post by: mazda6er on November 17, 2005, 03:50:03 PM
My bad, Rag. I was wrong.  
Title: Audi Le Mans Coming as 2008 R8
Post by: saxonyron on November 17, 2005, 04:02:27 PM
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Also, did you know that the A6 2.7T was faster (to 60mph) than the A6 4.2 in manual form, as well as when saddled with an automatic.  The 4.2, if I recall correctly, also got poorer gas mileage, and was noticeably more expensive.  Doesn't make sense to buy a car like that when a better, nearly identical car is cheaper--was the V8 worth that much to buyers, or was it the price that made it attractive?
The V8 must have been attractive to those who wanted some added uniqueness and more panache.  Granted, the V8 rumble sounds great, and yes, the power delivery was smoother - the 2 cars have totally different personalities.  But would I pay $10k more to get less performance and a mandatory slushbox tranny?  As you can see in my sig, the answer is no.  B)  
Title: Audi Le Mans Coming as 2008 R8
Post by: TBR on November 17, 2005, 04:05:27 PM
I certainly understand that , the A6 2.7t is my favorite Audi of all time :rockon:
Title: Audi Le Mans Coming as 2008 R8
Post by: Raza on November 17, 2005, 04:49:13 PM
QuoteI certainly understand that , the A6 2.7t is my favorite Audi of all time :rockon:
Not mine.  My favorite Audi is a wagon, with a Porsche designed and Porsche killing turbo five, and wheels right off of a 911, Porsche crest and all.
Title: Audi Le Mans Coming as 2008 R8
Post by: Raza on November 17, 2005, 04:50:51 PM
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Also, did you know that the A6 2.7T was faster (to 60mph) than the A6 4.2 in manual form, as well as when saddled with an automatic.  The 4.2, if I recall correctly, also got poorer gas mileage, and was noticeably more expensive.  Doesn't make sense to buy a car like that when a better, nearly identical car is cheaper--was the V8 worth that much to buyers, or was it the price that made it attractive?
The V8 must have been attractive to those who wanted some added uniqueness and more panache.  Granted, the V8 rumble sounds great, and yes, the power delivery was smoother - the 2 cars have totally different personalities.  But would I pay $10k more to get less performance and a mandatory slushbox tranny?  As you can see in my sig, the answer is no.  B)
I enjoy a V8 rumble, but nothing sets my heart a-flutter like the woosh of a turbo.  And, on top of that, I'm pretty sure the 2.7T was a rarer model (especially one with a manual!), and the A6 2.7T was at one point my #1 pick for my car (before I inherited the E320, that is).
Title: Audi Le Mans Coming as 2008 R8
Post by: saxonyron on November 18, 2005, 11:37:47 PM
"A mid-engined two-seater, it'll be propelled by a five-litre V10 bi-turbo engine with FSI direct fuel injection, developing 610bhp at 6,800 rpm and 553lb-ft of torque availble from as low as 1,750rpm. Performance is likely to be in the region of 0-62mph in 3.7 seconds and to 125mph 10.8 seconds."


My bad - 610 HP would really get my attention!  I thought the 450 HP sounded good!  Raza, fine choice in favorite cars, BTW! The 2.7T actually outnumbers the 4.2 by a fair amount.  It's the 2.7T 6 speed manuals that are rare.  
Title: Audi Le Mans Coming as 2008 R8
Post by: Fire It Up on November 19, 2005, 08:09:14 AM
Its because most people instantly think that V8=more power.  
Title: Audi Le Mans Coming as 2008 R8
Post by: Raza on November 19, 2005, 09:50:29 AM
Quote"A mid-engined two-seater, it'll be propelled by a five-litre V10 bi-turbo engine with FSI direct fuel injection, developing 610bhp at 6,800 rpm and 553lb-ft of torque availble from as low as 1,750rpm. Performance is likely to be in the region of 0-62mph in 3.7 seconds and to 125mph 10.8 seconds."


My bad - 610 HP would really get my attention!  I thought the 450 HP sounded good!  Raza, fine choice in favorite cars, BTW! The 2.7T actually outnumbers the 4.2 by a fair amount.  It's the 2.7T 6 speed manuals that are rare.
I still have dreams about buying an RS2 one of these days.
Title: Audi Le Mans Coming as 2008 R8
Post by: Catman on November 19, 2005, 01:19:34 PM
Guys, lets tone down things as it relates to jumping all over Rags posts.

And, Rag, give a little thought to an issue before asking obvious questions, as it just invites ridicule.