A state law meant to effectively ban the use of traffic enforcement cameras is proving to have unintended consequences: motorists speeding along busy Ohio freeways getting a lot more tickets.
The Legislature thought it could end unpopular traffic-camera enforcement with a provision requiring a full-time officer to be present when an automated enforcement camera catches a speeder. But some communities have found a lucrative route around the rule by stationing officers with camera-equipped speed guns beside and above highways — rather than the local roadways where stationary cameras had been confined.
"Speeding tickets generated by cameras are civil violations in Ohio and don't result in points on a driving record. Companies provide the cameras, mail the tickets and take a cut of the money collected. The new law requires the officer who is present to review images for clarity before passing them on to the vendors to process.
In Youngstown, tickets are issued to motorists driving 13 mph over the speed limit. In Newburgh Heights, it's 14 mph. The communities are required to hold administrative hearings for those who want to contest their tickets."
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/ohio-traffic-camera-law-takes-enforcement-busy-freeways-35059023 (http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/ohio-traffic-camera-law-takes-enforcement-busy-freeways-35059023)
pay for speed...
I personally think the US system of "we have to have a patrol car obvious to you before we give you a ticket" is bogus.
The system is fucked.
Instead of paying tickets and collecting money, it should be a one-day license suspension. If one is caught driving on that day, the license suspended for one year. Logically followed by longer suspensions, community service, and prison time. That gets rid of the monetary motivation for writing tickets, which is a clusterfuck of corruption.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on November 10, 2015, 06:30:10 AM
pay for speed...
I personally think the US system of "we have to have a patrol car obvious to you before we give you a ticket" is bogus.
It needs to be a person who pulls you over. Forget automated cameras. Violates right to face your accuser and to cross-examine in court.
How do you cross examine a Nikon.
Quote from: Klackamas on November 10, 2015, 06:54:52 AM
It needs to be a person who pulls you over. Forget automated cameras. Violates right to face your accuser and to cross-examine in court.
How do you cross examine a Nikon.
Who cares? You broke the law. :huh:
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on November 10, 2015, 10:37:04 AM
Who cares? You broke the law. :huh:
You have the right to face your accuser.
Actually, 12-13 mph over is generous leeway. Sounds like they're going after the major offenders, which is the (philosophical) right tack for speed enforcement.
A robust moral system of law is first and foremost a system of checks and balances, and that most definitely includes not getting steamroller'd by the nameless, faceless state.
Newburgh Hts. is nothing but one big speed trap! From thr lil strip of freeway it has (I77) to the city streets! Huge pain in the ass!
Quote from: Laconian on November 10, 2015, 11:32:46 AM
You have the right to face your accuser.
I get that. What bothers me is that the patrol car has to be glaringly obvious. I am fine with banning cameras. I'm fine with "sneaky" radar tickets from officers. If you're speeding, you're speeding. :huh:
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on November 11, 2015, 08:42:15 AM
I get that. What bothers me is that the patrol car has to be glaringly obvious. I am fine with banning cameras. I'm fine with "sneaky" radar tickets from officers. If you're speeding, you're speeding. :huh:
Relax hidden cop cars will get you in NY
Quote from: 68_427 on November 13, 2015, 01:38:53 AM
Relax hidden cop cars will get you in NY
Nah, always safe, usually legal. At most I go 5-10 over..
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on November 13, 2015, 04:17:19 AM
Nah, always safe, usually legal. At most I go 5-10 over..
I'll run you over beep beep motherfucker
Quote from: 68_427 on November 13, 2015, 04:28:45 AM
I'll run you over beep beep motherfucker
Lol doesn't hurt my feelings. Lately I've been getting up to 75mph in a 55mph zone, but only with traffic to camoflage in, and I know where the troopers hide.
Quote from: Gotta-Qik-G8 on November 10, 2015, 02:52:33 PM
Newburgh Hts. is nothing but one big speed trap! From thr lil strip of freeway it has (I77) to the city streets! Huge pain in the ass!
RIGHT. Newburgh Hights, Broadview Heights, and Independence.
Quote from: 2o6 on November 21, 2015, 12:41:57 PM
RIGHT. Newburgh Hights, Broadview Heights, and Independence.
Yup!
Excellent! The right to face your accuser will be taken more seriously.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/14/ohio-town-must-pay-back-millions-fines-collected-from-speed-cameras-court-rules.html
"A small Ohio town that lived by the red light camera could soon die by it, after a federal court ruled the speed trap has to pay back more than $3 million in automated speeding tickets. :cheers:
The case of New Miami, population 2,321, highlights the controversy behind the tickets, which make stoplight-running motorists see red, but help keep the budgets of cities and towns in the black. New Miami will almost certainly go bankrupt if the Supreme Court doesn't reverse a lower courts ruling and spare it from refunding tens of thousands of tickets at $180 apiece plus interest.
The village enacted this unconstitutional scheme primarily as a money making venture, Josh Engel, the lawyer representing the plaintiffs in the New Miami case, told Fox News. They increased their spending significantly after the scheme was put in place and it was basically used to fill holes in their budget that would traditionally have come from raising taxes."
:clap:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnUxdpSgsiA
The Supreme Court's decision yesterday on asset forfeiture & excessive fines is golden for those opposing this type of revenue generation shit by cities.
Link?
https://jalopnik.com/supreme-court-says-police-cant-seize-your-car-for-basic-1832785475
The Constitution just keeps giving - Eighth Amendment - excessive fines & all that.
Cities should be wary of funding operations by using their law enforcement departments to forcibly separate citizens from their cash & property.
Cue TN State Rep Andy Holt:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnUxdpSgsiA
Quote from: Morris Minor on February 23, 2019, 01:56:32 AM
The Constitution just keeps giving - Eighth Amendment - excessive fines & all that.
Cities should be wary of funding operations by using their law enforcement departments to forcibly separate citizens from their cash & property.
Cue TN State Rep Andy Holt:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnUxdpSgsiA
I know that ubiquitous camera enforcement is all over Europe and places like China now, but I hope it fails in the US. Somehow, we don't have camera tickets in Connecticut yet, despite the revenue potential. I hope that continues to be the case. The potential for abuse by the government is greater than ever in this era of electronic control and surveillance and our freedom is the most threatened I have ever seen.
Kudos to Andy Holt for telling people what to do with those stupid tickets.
And I must say I love the idea of burning or tearing up a ticket or some other type of summons. I have only done that with parking tickets, never any of the tickets that I have gotten for moving violations. The idea of saying "fuck it" to one of them is an appealing one.
You can Xerox it, then burn the copy outdoors, away from small children or combustible materials.
Breakin the law, breakin the law, breakin the law :rockon:
Quote from: Laconian on February 23, 2019, 03:04:54 PM
You can Xerox it, then burn the copy outdoors, away from small children or combustible materials.
Breakin the law, breakin the law, breakin the law :rockon:
I could just burn it in my fireplace. I tore up a couple of parking tickets that I got a long time ago. I knew I was moving out of state, and that the trail would be lost once I turned in my license plates. But that wasn't as much fun as tearing up or burning a speeding ticket would be.
Pretty sure I missed a toll in the Chicago area a while back (maybe like $.60?) Haven't recieved anything in the mail so IDGAF.
Quote from: giant_mtb on February 23, 2019, 11:55:52 PM
Pretty sure I missed a toll in the Chicago area a while back (maybe like $.60?) Haven't recieved anything in the mail so IDGAF.
They'll come busting down your front door in a few months.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on February 24, 2019, 12:42:57 AM
They'll come busting down your front door in a few months.
It's already been like 5 months.
Quote from: giant_mtb on February 23, 2019, 11:55:52 PM
Pretty sure I missed a toll in the Chicago area a while back (maybe like $.60?) Haven't recieved anything in the mail so IDGAF.
Was it a cash toll that you blew through without paying?
No front license plate: you're good to go.
Quote from: dazzleman on February 24, 2019, 08:13:26 AM
Was it a cash toll that you blew through without paying?
Yes. I forget the circumstance, but I think I missed the pay lane and just said fuckit. I'm not used to toll roads, so I was already like wtf is going on here...? :lol:
Quote from: Soup DeVille on February 24, 2019, 08:19:08 AM
No front license plate: you're good to go.
Is IL not smart enough to take a picture of the rear plate?
CO doesn't have cash lanes - they just send a bill to the address your plate is registered to if you don't have the windshield thing (though there is a surcharge if you don't have the windshield thing).
Quote from: giant_mtb on February 24, 2019, 08:35:16 AM
Yes. I forget the circumstance, but I think I missed the pay lane and just said fuckit. I'm not used to toll roads, so I was already like wtf is going on here...? :lol:
So you used the E-Z pass lane without an E-Z pass I guess. Makes sense.
If they haven't sent you anything by now, they probably won't.
A few years ago, I did an illegal u-turn in front of a toll booth (long story, but I had missed my exit and wanted an easy way to turn back) and got a camera ticket for that. The ticket arrived within a couple of weeks. It was only $50, which was in the vicinity of the fines I used to pay back in the 1980s for speeding. Total fucking joke.
Quote from: BimmerM3 on February 24, 2019, 09:52:22 AM
Is IL not smart enough to take a picture of the rear plate?
CO doesn't have cash lanes - they just send a bill to the address your plate is registered to if you don't have the windshield thing (though there is a surcharge if you don't have the windshield thing).
Something about Illinois law says they have to have a picture of the driver And the plate at the same time; without them, on out of state plates, they just don't bother usually.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on February 24, 2019, 10:19:30 AM
Something about Illinois law says they have to have a picture of the driver And the plate at the same time; without them, on out of state plates, they just don't bother usually.
Good to know. I'mma blast through that shit every time I go down that way, then. If they end up sending me a bill, so be it.
Quote from: giant_mtb on February 24, 2019, 10:36:15 AM
Good to know. I'mma blast through that shit every time I go down that way, then. If they end up sending me a bill, so be it.
If you show a pattern of abuse they might make an exception.
Quote from: giant_mtb on February 24, 2019, 10:36:15 AM
Good to know. I'mma blast through that shit every time I go down that way, then. If they end up sending me a bill, so be it.
The act of defiance in blasting a toll through without paying is fun. It used to give me a big rush when I did it. But with cameras, if you get a bill for $100 or so every time you blast through a $2 toll, that's not really worth it, unless you can tear up the bills without consequences. When I used to do it, there were no cameras, so if there wasn't anybody there to nail you at the exact time you did it, you got away with it. Cameras change the whole thing. But with no front license plate, if you can blast through with impunity, have at it. I would love to get the opportunity to do that. :lol:
Quote from: Soup DeVille on February 24, 2019, 08:19:08 AM
No front license plate: you're good to go.
In the Seattle area, the toll system is literally called, "Good To Go."
But the cameras snap pics both front and rear.
If you're caught overtly subverting the law - like a plate flipper - you'll get nailed with theft, fraud, etc., which can be a felony.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on February 24, 2019, 11:30:19 AM
If you show a pattern of abuse they might make an exception.
I could see that.
Quote from: GoCougs on March 05, 2019, 03:08:12 PM
In the Seattle area, the toll system is literally called, "Good To Go."
But the cameras snap pics both front and rear.
If you're caught overtly subverting the law - like a plate flipper - you'll get nailed with theft, fraud, etc., which can be a felony.
Do they use cameras ever to nail single person vehicles in the carpool lanes?
Quote from: dazzleman on March 05, 2019, 03:15:55 PM
Do they use cameras ever to nail single person vehicles in the carpool lanes?
Yes, but it's actually a toll lane, not a carpool lane. If you're single, you get a nominal charge either in the mail or deducted from your account if you have the RFID pass on your windshield.
Front license plates are an abomination. They ruin the look of the car, and the drag they cause is melting the polar ice caps.
Hug a tree and move to a state where no front plates are required
Quote from: Morris Minor on March 05, 2019, 05:55:56 PM
Front license plates are an abomination. They ruin the look of the car, and the drag they cause is melting the polar ice caps.
Hug a tree and move to a state where no front plates are required
Michigan. :rockon:
Quote from: giant_mtb on March 05, 2019, 05:56:37 PM
Michigan. :rockon:
And South Cackalacky :zzz: :partyon:
Quote from: Morris Minor on March 05, 2019, 05:55:56 PM
Front license plates are an abomination. They ruin the look of the car, and the drag they cause is melting the polar ice caps.
Hug a tree and move to a state where no front plates are required
My plates are still Kentucky because Utah requires front ones. Although they've proposed a change to the law to get rid of front plates. I emailed the legislature about it to voice support.
They're just license plates. :huh:
I never got the big deal.
Quote from: giant_mtb on March 05, 2019, 05:56:37 PM
Michigan. :rockon:
"The Rugged Nineteen"
- Alabama
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Quote from: Morris Minor on March 05, 2019, 05:55:56 PM
Front license plates are an abomination. They ruin the look of the car, and the drag they cause is melting the polar ice caps.
Hug a tree and move to a state where no front plates are required
LOL! Didn't bother to mount one to the front of my C6. Luckily I've never been stopped for it.
Never put one on the front my Miata. I haven't been pulled over for it. The cops have probably grown numb to it thanks to the number of people that have moved in from out of state.
Quote from: Laconian on March 06, 2019, 11:27:17 AM
Never put one on the front my Miata. I haven't been pulled over for it. The cops have probably grown numb to it thanks to the number of people that have moved in from out of state.
breaking the law...breaking the law...breaking the law....defiant rebel badass... :evildude:
I'm sure I'm on California's Ten Most Wanted; I left the state with over a half-dozen $2.00 parking tickets not paid. There might have been a $10.00 ticket from Santa Cruz.
Quote from: JWC on March 10, 2019, 03:01:06 PM
I'm sure I'm on California's Ten Most Wanted; I left the state with over a half-dozen $2.00 parking tickets not paid. There might have been a $10.00 ticket from Santa Cruz.
BADASS!!!!! :lockedup:
Ir you're going to screw over a state, the best one is California. Or maybe New York. They deserve it the most.