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Title: I'm losing my Transmission
Post by: JYODER240 on January 05, 2006, 12:26:21 PM
So i'm on my way to go tanning (don't laugh I leave for vacation friday and dont want to get burnt) and I'm going about 45mph when my transmission tries to downshift into first. I was looking out the side window at the time and thought I had hit something. it immediatly began to redline so I slowed down to turn onto a side street and it begins to slip in and out of gear. I pull into a driveway to turn around. When I put it into reverse it would go into gear and just revved like it was in neutral and then at about 3000rpm it went in.  I started to drive back home and it was constantly searching for a gear and going in and out of neutral. It finally went into second and stayed there for the rest of the way home. When I got home I tried to back up to the garage incase it needs towed, but I lost reverse completely.  
      It turns out my warranty expired two weeks ago but I'm still under my 36,000 mile limit. Do you guys think this will still be covered?
      Im not really sure if this is a rant or a question, im just really frustrated and want to know what you guys think.  
Title: I'm losing my Transmission
Post by: Tom on January 05, 2006, 12:33:14 PM
Should be covered no prob.
Title: I'm losing my Transmission
Post by: J86 on January 05, 2006, 01:17:52 PM
I'm sorry, but tanning...HA!

If ya make enuff noise, two weeks out, they oughta cover it.  I wouldn't wait to bring 'er in though.
Title: I'm losing my Transmission
Post by: Rupert on January 05, 2006, 01:20:42 PM
Sounds computerish...

Yeah, they might tell you no, but all you have to do is act angry enough and threaten to call the right people. But be nice first!
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Post by: Tom on January 05, 2006, 01:27:49 PM
You might get your parents to do this or they might get the impression that a teen tore up another tranny.
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Post by: footoflead on January 05, 2006, 03:23:52 PM
Tanning...

i guess your one of those preppies,

Hint its called sun screen, i usually dont burn unless i'm on the tractor mowing the field or something where you cant get under any shade...

my tan is natural year round...BOO YA
Title: I'm losing my Transmission
Post by: JYODER240 on January 05, 2006, 04:02:24 PM
I took it in, the only gear I have is 2nd. the dealership said they are going to do what they can to get it fixed under warranty. I think it is the torque converter because it is having trouble going in and out of gear, but it may be computer-related.  My dad talked to them first and is taking care of everything. This is our 3rd Honda product so I think that may help. If Honda doesnt cover it then we are going to make some noise about it. And yes im a prep that goes tanning hahaha everybody laugh :rolleyes:  
Title: I'm losing my Transmission
Post by: BRealistic on January 05, 2006, 05:55:22 PM
This is the 03 Accord? I would guess Honda will help you out. They have had some bad press over tranny issues, and seem to be trying to calm the issue. Voiding a warranty repair on a vehicle with less than (very short) 36k mile powertrain warranty but just 2 weeks past the (very short)  36 month coverage? I don't think they want that bad press.

And dealerhsips are allowed several AWAs a year- AWA means 'After Warranty Repair'. It is something they allow the dealers to help keep customers happy- like yourself.
Title: I'm losing my Transmission
Post by: footoflead on January 05, 2006, 06:11:53 PM
QuoteThis is the 03 Accord? I would guess Honda will help you out. They have had some bad press over tranny issues, and seem to be trying to calm the issue. Voiding a warranty repair on a vehicle with less than (very short) 36k mile powertrain warranty but just 2 weeks past the (very short)  36 month coverage? I don't think they want that bad press.

And dealerhsips are allowed several AWAs a year- AWA means 'After Warranty Repair'. It is something they allow the dealers to help keep customers happy- like yourself.
If AWA means After Warrenty Repair...then shouldnt it be AWR

3 years on one tranny is terrible, we got 7 (and only had to rebuild because of a 'pin hole' leak) and thats pulling 2000lbs of horse plus the weight of the trailer around and making several long distant trips...but it is a different make...and RWD...it might make a small difference

Title: I'm losing my Transmission
Post by: BRealistic on January 05, 2006, 06:39:50 PM
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QuoteThis is the 03 Accord? I would guess Honda will help you out. They have had some bad press over tranny issues, and seem to be trying to calm the issue. Voiding a warranty repair on a vehicle with less than (very short) 36k mile powertrain warranty but just 2 weeks past the (very short)  36 month coverage? I don't think they want that bad press.

And dealerhsips are allowed several AWAs a year- AWA means 'After Warranty Repair'. It is something they allow the dealers to help keep customers happy- like yourself.
If AWA means After Warrenty Repair...then shouldnt it be AWR

3 years on one tranny is terrible, we got 7 (and only had to rebuild because of a 'pin hole' leak) and thats pulling 2000lbs of horse plus the weight of the trailer around and making several long distant trips...but it is a different make...and RWD...it might make a small difference
ooops. I meant After Warranty Assistance. doh.
Title: I'm losing my Transmission
Post by: footoflead on January 05, 2006, 06:48:32 PM
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QuoteThis is the 03 Accord? I would guess Honda will help you out. They have had some bad press over tranny issues, and seem to be trying to calm the issue. Voiding a warranty repair on a vehicle with less than (very short) 36k mile powertrain warranty but just 2 weeks past the (very short)  36 month coverage? I don't think they want that bad press.

And dealerhsips are allowed several AWAs a year- AWA means 'After Warranty Repair'. It is something they allow the dealers to help keep customers happy- like yourself.
If AWA means After Warrenty Repair...then shouldnt it be AWR

3 years on one tranny is terrible, we got 7 (and only had to rebuild because of a 'pin hole' leak) and thats pulling 2000lbs of horse plus the weight of the trailer around and making several long distant trips...but it is a different make...and RWD...it might make a small difference
ooops. I meant After Warranty Assistance. doh.
Oh ok..that makes more sense :lol:  
Title: I'm losing my Transmission
Post by: 93JC on January 05, 2006, 06:57:51 PM
Quote3 years on one tranny is terrible, we got 7 (and only had to rebuild because of a 'pin hole' leak) and thats pulling 2000lbs of horse plus the weight of the trailer around and making several long distance trips...
16 on my Dodge's Ultradrive. :rockon:
25 on the Chevy pickup. :rockon: :rockon:
Title: I'm losing my Transmission
Post by: ifcar on January 05, 2006, 07:04:57 PM
4-5 years on my Caravan's automatic.  
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Post by: Fire It Up on January 05, 2006, 07:48:28 PM
There was a recall on auto tranny 7th gen accords. This might be from that.  
Title: I'm losing my Transmission
Post by: TBR on January 05, 2006, 08:14:33 PM
To the shock of pretty much everyone, the Durango's has made it 8 years.  
Title: I'm losing my Transmission
Post by: footoflead on January 05, 2006, 08:37:31 PM
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Quote3 years on one tranny is terrible, we got 7 (and only had to rebuild because of a 'pin hole' leak) and thats pulling 2000lbs of horse plus the weight of the trailer around and making several long distance trips...
16 on my Dodge's Ultradrive. :rockon:
25 on the Chevy pickup. :rockon: :rockon:
Both auto's i assume, and did you ever use it for heavy hauling Ex. pulling a trailer with a heavy load or a load of topsoil in the back (it can be done)

If not then thats really not surprising..i could baby a tranny that long especially if it was a stick
Title: I'm losing my Transmission
Post by: sparkplug on January 05, 2006, 09:29:43 PM
I reckon one of the reason's they would replace it is that a Honda is expected to last way longer than the warranty. Their reputation is one of excellence in quality and service (I still wouldn't buy one). It could have been a existing problem with the car that affected an insignifant number of that year, make, and model. They looked at it and decided that despite the fact that you were the driver, that they fix it anyway. You'll buy another Honda from them because they'll look after you. I hope your transmission never fails or falls on you again.

Title: I'm losing my Transmission
Post by: 93JC on January 06, 2006, 12:33:33 PM
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Quote3 years on one tranny is terrible, we got 7 (and only had to rebuild because of a 'pin hole' leak) and thats pulling 2000lbs of horse plus the weight of the trailer around and making several long distance trips...
16 on my Dodge's Ultradrive. :rockon:
25 on the Chevy pickup. :rockon: :rockon:
Both auto's i assume, and did you ever use it for heavy hauling Ex. pulling a trailer with a heavy load or a load of topsoil in the back (it can be done)

If not then thats really not surprising..i could baby a tranny that long especially if it was a stick
Both are automatics.

In its last regular use the Chebby was used for transporting payloads of construction supplies to and garbage from jobsites. Before that it had been used offroad to do biological surveys in Wyoming (the truck was originally my uncle's; he bought it here and took it with him when he took a research position at the University of Wyoming).

The car's never been used to haul anything more substantial than a driver, four passengers and their cargo. I think it is worth noting considering it is a Chrysler A604 "Ultradrive", one of if not the single most notoriously unreliable transmission ever made.
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Post by: Tom on January 06, 2006, 12:44:35 PM
13 years on a GM 4sp at 125k.  The tranny fluid and filter was never changed untill a few months ago.
Title: I'm losing my Transmission
Post by: mazda6er on January 06, 2006, 02:02:58 PM
It's not that easy to totally f*** up an auto tranny is it? I mean other than random mechanical issues/defects, the driver themselves can't really ruin it unless they're holding gears, right?

Title: I'm losing my Transmission
Post by: Run Away on January 06, 2006, 03:20:18 PM
93,000 miles on my '91 SE auto tranny. No problems.

132,000 miles on the black '89, and it's fucked harcore.:P

This one is apparently all original, nothing rebuilt just alot of maintnance:

(http://mustardcat.brinkster.net/p3g/Documentation/759klude/759klude02.jpg)
(http://mustardcat.brinkster.net/p3g/Documentation/759klude/759klude01.jpg)
(http://mustardcat.brinkster.net/p3g/Documentation/759klude/759klude06.jpg)

It's got a 90/91 steering wheel though, I call BS on "all original". :devil:

Title: I'm losing my Transmission
Post by: footoflead on January 06, 2006, 03:32:52 PM
QuoteIt's not that easy to totally f*** up an auto tranny is it? I mean other than random mechanical issues/defects, the driver themselves can't really ruin it unless they're holding gears, right?
no, its pretty hard to tear one up unless your doing a lot of heaving hauling...
Title: I'm losing my Transmission
Post by: TBR on January 07, 2006, 08:35:34 AM
Or it is a Chrysler or a Honda V6 ;)
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Post by: sparkplug on January 07, 2006, 11:17:16 PM
Yes a lot of weight in a vehicle isn't good. You decrease your fuel and put a tiny amount of additional wear on your tires. And towing isn't good for the front wheel drive. My car which has a V6 says that I should not pull more than 1000lbs. And that tells me most importantly no mother-in-laws should ride with me. Think about the suspension damage.
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Post by: wjw on January 09, 2006, 08:18:55 PM
QuoteTo the shock of pretty much everyone, the Durango's has made it 8 years.
A Chrysler transmission lasting 8 years??  Impossible... :P  
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Post by: TBR on January 09, 2006, 08:51:17 PM
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QuoteTo the shock of pretty much everyone, the Durango's has made it 8 years.
A Chrysler transmission lasting 8 years??  Impossible... :P
Considering it started shifting poorly before the vehicle was barely even broken in it was quite a surprise.

And, the 8 years aren't that impressive, but the 115,000 miles are.  
Title: I'm losing my Transmission
Post by: footoflead on January 09, 2006, 09:01:12 PM
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QuoteTo the shock of pretty much everyone, the Durango's has made it 8 years.
A Chrysler transmission lasting 8 years??  Impossible... :P
Considering it started shifting poorly before the vehicle was barely even broken in it was quite a surprise.

And, the 8 years aren't that impressive, but the 115,000 miles are.
But again your truck was used as a light duty transportation, nothing heavy on a regular base...i can baby a auto tranny that long if i dont pull anything heavy
Title: I'm losing my Transmission
Post by: TBR on January 09, 2006, 09:03:52 PM
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QuoteTo the shock of pretty much everyone, the Durango's has made it 8 years.
A Chrysler transmission lasting 8 years??  Impossible... :P
Considering it started shifting poorly before the vehicle was barely even broken in it was quite a surprise.

And, the 8 years aren't that impressive, but the 115,000 miles are.
But again your truck was used as a light duty transportation, nothing heavy on a regular base...i can baby a auto tranny that long if i dont pull anything heavy
It was taken offroad (so it was used as a truck), but you're right in that we never towed with it (we probably would've if my parents weren't to cheap too fork over $800 or so for a receiver).

But, the thousands of Chrysler minivans that have had problems weren't used in truly heavy duty situations either, ultimately Chrysler transmissions from the '90s just plain sucked.  
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Post by: 93JC on January 09, 2006, 09:41:10 PM
Quote16 on my Dodge's Ultradrive. :rockon:

QuoteI think it is worth noting considering it is a Chrysler A604 "Ultradrive", one of if not the single most notoriously unreliable transmission ever made.

QuoteBut, the thousands of Chrysler minivans that have had problems weren't used in truly heavy duty situations either, ultimately Chrysler transmissions from the '90s just plain sucked.

See!? See!? I told you it had a nasty reputation, which is why it is significant that mine has gone 16 years trouble-free.
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Post by: BRealistic on January 09, 2006, 09:42:28 PM
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QuoteTo the shock of pretty much everyone, the Durango's has made it 8 years.
A Chrysler transmission lasting 8 years??  Impossible... :P
My parent's 96 3.8 Town & Country with 115k miles is still on its 1st tranny.  ;)  
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Post by: 93JC on January 09, 2006, 09:55:14 PM
One "problem" that Chrysler transmissions have (and, coincidentally, Honda transmissions too...) is that they use their own dedicated synthetic ATF, which is significantly more expensive than Dexron and Mercon. Because it's so much more expensive some people won't bother with it (much like synthetic versus regular oil), or they won't know any better. Even your below-average greasemonkey would often use whatever fluid was lying around when servicing a A604.

They simply can't handle Dexron or Mercon, and I've been witness to the destruction it inflicts on a Chrysler automatic if it's used: incredible gear wear, nearly-destroyed clutch packs... The transmission would be totally pooched, firing off all sorts of malfunction codes to the computer, which would respond as it was programmed when encountering a major transmission malfunction: force it into limp-home mode.
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Post by: TBR on January 09, 2006, 09:57:18 PM
I don't think we've ever changed the Durango's transmission fluid :o
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Post by: 93JC on January 09, 2006, 10:01:40 PM
Come to think of it, I have no idea if my Spirit has had a fluid change. It doesn't have many miles on it (around 115,000 miles), but I figure it had to have been done sometime in the last six or seven years: I've checked the fluid, and it's still topped-up and a nice pinkish.
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Post by: Tom on January 10, 2006, 10:26:45 AM
QuoteI don't think we've ever changed the Durango's transmission fluid :o
How old and at what mileage?  A lot of modern cars are designed to have permanent tranny fluid.  If not, it's usually not necessary till atleast 60-100k.
Title: I'm losing my Transmission
Post by: TBR on January 10, 2006, 03:20:11 PM
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QuoteI don't think we've ever changed the Durango's transmission fluid :o
How old and at what mileage?  A lot of modern cars are designed to have permanent tranny fluid.  If not, it's usually not necessary till atleast 60-100k.
8 years and 115k.  
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Post by: Raza on January 10, 2006, 05:47:04 PM
I like the riff on REM.
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Post by: footoflead on January 10, 2006, 06:31:21 PM
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QuoteI don't think we've ever changed the Durango's transmission fluid :o
How old and at what mileage?  A lot of modern cars are designed to have permanent tranny fluid.  If not, it's usually not necessary till atleast 60-100k.
8 years and 115k.
Wouldnt be a bad idea, i hear that our silverado has a drain plug so i might change our tranny fluid as cheap insurance B)  
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Post by: ifcar on January 10, 2006, 06:53:50 PM
After warranty. :devil:
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Post by: Tom on January 10, 2006, 06:54:44 PM
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QuoteI don't think we've ever changed the Durango's transmission fluid :o
How old and at what mileage?  A lot of modern cars are designed to have permanent tranny fluid.  If not, it's usually not necessary till atleast 60-100k.
8 years and 115k.
Wouldnt be a bad idea, i hear that our silverado has a drain plug so i might change our tranny fluid as cheap insurance B)
It's practically new :blink:  
Title: I'm losing my Transmission
Post by: footoflead on January 10, 2006, 07:01:05 PM
QuoteAfter warranty. :devil:
what GM doesnt know wont hurt them  :rolleyes:

i know its new, but the idea is to take care of it
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Post by: Tom on January 10, 2006, 07:05:43 PM
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QuoteAfter warranty. :devil:
what GM doesnt know wont hurt them  :rolleyes:

i know its new, but the idea is to take care of it
Well replacing new ATF with different new ATF isn't going to do any good.  
Title: I'm losing my Transmission
Post by: footoflead on January 10, 2006, 07:12:23 PM
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QuoteAfter warranty. :devil:
what GM doesnt know wont hurt them  :rolleyes:

i know its new, but the idea is to take care of it
Well replacing new ATF with different new ATF isn't going to do any good.
duh, i wasnt planning on changing it will only 4k on the clock...more like around 8-10 K mabey....we will see...
Title: I'm losing my Transmission
Post by: Tom on January 10, 2006, 07:18:56 PM
Good news.  Modern transmissions are designed to not engage in park if the shift lever is moved to P while moving.  The ratcheting sound I heard was the locking mechanism skipping past where it would otherwise lock in position.

Fol, do what you want, but changing ATF at 10k is completely unnecessary.
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Post by: sparkplug on January 11, 2006, 10:07:25 PM
Might as well change the new transmission out for a newer one. :D  :P  ;)

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Post by: JYODER240 on January 15, 2006, 10:58:02 PM
i just got a message on the answering machine, and the dealer fixed it under warranty  :rockon:  
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Post by: TBR on January 15, 2006, 11:49:47 PM
I have a transmission related question: Does it hurt anything to change from reverse to drive/1st gear (or 2nd in some trucks) without coming to a complete stop first?
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Post by: 93JC on January 15, 2006, 11:54:45 PM
More wear and tear. Do it all the time and you'll eventually wear out the torque converter in an automatic or synchronisers in a manual (or worse: screwing up the bands and clutches within an automatic or the gears within a manual).

Once in a while isn't too bad. Don't make it a habit, that's for sure.
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Post by: TBR on January 16, 2006, 09:02:35 PM
That's pretty much what I figured. It's unfortunate because I have always found something unusual fascinating about it.
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Post by: Tom on January 17, 2006, 02:38:12 PM
QuoteThat's pretty much what I figured. It's unfortunate because I have always found something unusual fascinating about it.
Wierdo.

Just kidding, you can move the shifter to the desired gearslot, just don't let out the clutch.  Or in an auto you can pause in neutral if you feel like it.  R-N-D
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Post by: TBR on January 17, 2006, 08:01:07 PM
Of course.
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Post by: Tom on January 17, 2006, 08:10:12 PM
QuoteOf course.
Well you asked ;)  
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Post by: TBR on January 17, 2006, 08:11:46 PM
No I didn't, I asked if you could switch to a forward gear while moving backwards, not if you could switch to neutral.
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Post by: footoflead on January 17, 2006, 08:25:18 PM
QuoteNo I didn't, I asked if you could switch to a forward gear while moving backwards, not if you could switch to neutral.
You can, but its not good for the tranny ;)
Title: I'm losing my Transmission
Post by: sparkplug on January 17, 2006, 09:46:14 PM
You knows what really rough on the Transmission?

Driving 60 mph and snatch it into reverse. A friend of my father did that to my father's car about 30 years ago and it still won't work in reverse. Car don't heal themselves. bummer.

You know what else what is rough on cars?

Sandpaper.