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QuoteSinger Vehicle Design Announces Collaboration With Williams On High Performance And Light-Weighting Services
The Porsche 911 engine presented here is part of a stand-alone selection of restoration and modification services strongly oriented towards light-weighting and dynamic gains.
LOS ANGELES, August 8, 2017– Singer Vehicle Design announces details of a new level of restoration and modification services commissioned by three of its clients for their air-cooled Porsche 911s. To meet the high-performance and light-weighting goals required for the restorations, Singer has undertaken a performance research study with Williams Advanced Engineering, part of Williams Grand Prix Engineering Group, and engaged the celebrated motorsports concern to engineer technical modifications and components for these restored and reimagined Porsche 911s.
The first fruit of this work is a modified, naturally aspirated, air-cooled, flat-six Porsche 911 engine with a 4.0L capacity, four-valves per cylinder and four cam-shafts, rated at 500HP.
The engine benefits from the additional insight and vast experience of famed engine designer and engineer, Hans Mezger, who is a technical consultant to the project.
The engine will power a 1990 Porsche 911 currently being restored for long-term Singer client, Scott Blattner.
The full spectrum of the enhancements provided by Williams Advanced Engineering and other technical partners will be unveiled in Scott's restored, reimagined and reborn Porsche 911 in September.
Beginning with the Mezger-designed Porsche 3.6L engine from the 1990 911, the resulting specification is as follows:
500HP
Four-valve cylinder heads
Engine speed range extended beyond 9,000 rpm
Dual-oil circuits
Cylinders and pistons with titanium con-rods
Aluminum throttle bodies with carbon fiber trumpets
Upper and lower injectors for improved performance
A carbon fiber air-box with active multi-stage resonator chamber for mid-range torque optimization
Inconel and titanium exhaust system optimized for thermal performance
CFD optimized and enlarged engine cooling fan
Ram air induction system with pressure recovery in intake plenums
Lightweight materials, including titanium, magnesium and carbon fiber are used extensively to reduce component mass and vehicle weight.
As ever, Singer's work is motivated by the desire to understand the perspectives and requirements of its clients and to present them uniquely personal restoration and modification services – always guided by the philosophy: Everything is Important.
Rob Dickinson, Founder of Singer Vehicle Design, explained: "Helping our clients realize their unique vision for a reimagined Porsche 911 with the help of automotive royalty is very much a privilege. Singer is delighted to be working with Williams Advanced Engineering and Hans Mezger to offer our clients a "next level" of restoration and modification services for their Porsche 911s. With careful and dedicated development, this iconic air-cooled engine has much to give both its existing devotees and a generation of new enthusiasts."
Dickinson stated that the full culmination of this exciting work with Williams and other technical partners will be revealed shortly and will represent a stand-alone selection of restoration and modification services strongly oriented towards light-weighting and dynamic gains.
Jonathan Williams, Williams Heritage Director, noted further: "The Porsche 911 has long been a standard bearer in the worlds of racing and advanced engineering – two things that we care deeply about at Williams. As an admirer of the 911, I'm thrilled that we're working with Singer and its clients on these restorations."
Singer client and commissioning owner, Scott Blattner, provided additional context saying: "My journey with Singer Vehicle Design began with the restoration of two coupes. In 2016 these were joined by my Targa, which recently ran in the famous Hill Climb at Goodwood Festival of Speed. I became intrigued by the possibility of further evolution and I'm very excited to be sharing the first details of the engine for my car."
Paul McNamara, Technical Director, Williams Advanced Engineering added: "This has been a fantastic opportunity to showcase the core capabilities of Williams Advanced Engineering. Having had the opportunity to consult with Hans Mezger – the "father" of the iconic air-cooled flat-six – about the development of the engine, our team was pleased to be able to provide a solution to Singer's clients' requirements and of course, to be a part of this iconic vehicle's continued evolution."
About Singer Vehicle Design
Singer Vehicle Design (Singer) restores and reimagines 1989 to 1994 Porsche 911s for its clients. Singer does not manufacture or sell automobiles.
Singer is not sponsored, associated, approved, endorsed nor, in any way, affiliated with Porsche Cars North America, Inc., or Dr. Ing. h.c.F. Porsche, AG. The Porsche® name and crest and 911® are trademarks of Dr. Ing. h.c.F. Porsche AG, and any other products mentioned are the trademarks of their respective holders. Any mention of trademarked names or other marks is for purpose of reference only.
The product of Singer's painstaking effort is a Porsche 911 restored and reimagined by Singer. Out of respect for Porsche, and to respect Porsche's trademark rights, this incredible machine should never under any circumstances be referred to or described as a "Singer," "Singer 911," "Singer Porsche 911" or a "Porsche Singer 911," or in any other manner that suggests that it is anything but a Porsche 911.
About Williams Advanced Engineering
Williams Advanced Engineering is the division of the Williams Group that harnesses Formula One derived technology and know-how to deliver highly innovative products and services to the motorsport, automotive, defence and healthcare sectors. Working in close collaboration with its customers, Williams Advanced Engineering helps meet the sustainability challenges of the 21st century and improve performance, with its expertise in aerodynamics and thermodynamics, electrification, advanced lightweight materials and vehicle integration.
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It's too pretty. I'd feel bad driving it.
I love it... Too bad the engine probably costs the same amount as a brand new 911
I'll repeat my comment from Jalopnik
"FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!"
139HP/L
Over 9000 RPM!
No turbo
No coolant!
This is like cocaine fresh from the processing plant
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 10, 2017, 05:41:37 AM
I'll repeat my comment from Jalopnik
"FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!"
139HP/L
Over 9000 RPM!
No turbo
No coolant!
This is like cocaine fresh from the processing plant
There's plenty of coolant. Probably 15 quarts of it.
Fair point, fair point :lol:
Impressive, but sounds like a LOT of power for a 964. I'm also impressed by that modeling/rendering job - pretty slick.
are there any advantages to air over liquid cooling?
Quote from: Submariner on August 10, 2017, 02:33:02 PM
are there any advantages to air over liquid cooling?
No water pump, radiator or plumbing; no coolant to worry about. Obviously there are some drawbacks, but Simplicity was the main reason.
I've been spending too much time on the lawn tractor forum; my phone is autocapitalizing Simplicity.
I'm just amazed that any engine bigger than a lawnmower 2-stroke could be cooled solely with air.
Quote from: Submariner on August 10, 2017, 02:40:08 PM
I'm just amazed that any engine bigger than a lawnmower 2-stroke could be cooled sololy with air.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V8LY-ag1vow
Used to be a pretty common thing; especially for cold weather heavy equipment.
One of the first trucks I drove was an FWD (it's the company name) air cooled V16.
Plenty of motorcycles are air cooled. I think most dirt bikes still are.
My first bike was air cooled, too. That sucked in stop and go traffic.
Yea, "cooled" is a relative term with oil cooling
Quote from: Cookie Monster on August 10, 2017, 02:46:59 PM
Plenty of motorcycles are air cooled. I think most dirt bikes still are.
My first bike was air cooled, too. That sucked in stop and go traffic.
The only air cooled dirt bikes left are dinosaur designs that were developed 30 years ago and are sold on the cheap. Mostly smaller displacement, low output beginner bikes and minibikes. All MX bikes are water cooled. Any trail bike derived from an MX bike is water cooled.
Not a lot of air cooled mills left on the street, either. Getting harder to meet emissions without water cooling.
Yeah pretty much all dirt bikes are liquid now. Bikes like mine (which is an '08) or the ancient (but still for sale) XR650 are air cooled. They're fucking reliable, but that's about all they have going for them.
https://youtu.be/9tGyYrUoa9E
Yes please
Very cool, but Smog Legal?
Cant tell if those are catalytic converters or resonators
JFC. Now this, this excites me.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 09, 2017, 06:29:36 PM
JFC. Now this, this excites me.
You mean this is more exciting they slapping on a bigger blower hence more power on a car that already couldn't handle the power it had?
Meh, I'll take the lighter, more durable and more powerful LS7 for about 10% the cost.
Sound wise, Williams flat 6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> angry Silverado
Quote from: GoCougs on November 09, 2017, 10:40:33 PM
Meh, I'll take the lighter, more durable and more powerful LS7 for about 10% the cost.
Well, if you don't understand the purpose of a Rolex or a Patek Phillipe, you're not going to understand the purpose of a Singer.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 10, 2017, 06:00:05 AM
Sound wise, Williams flat 6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> angry Silverado
Get that hearing checked.
Quote from: shp4man on November 09, 2017, 03:57:26 PM
Very cool, but Smog Legal?
Who cares about commie California. Just register it somewhere else
Shit, sorry Sporty, I think I misread your post. I thought you were saying it sounded like an angry pickup. :lol:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 10, 2017, 06:00:05 AM
Sound wise, Williams flat 6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> angry Silverado
Does this sound like a pickup?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef-wrPGH2pI
Quote from: CaminoRacer on November 10, 2017, 10:06:22 AM
Does this sound like a pickup?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef-wrPGH2pI
Saw/heard some yahoo in a lifted Cheby Silvertato last night that sounded pretty much like that at the lower half of the RPM range.
I highly doubt it. :huh: That's a destroked LS7 through sidepipes. Totally different animal than a 5.3L iron block truck motor.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on November 10, 2017, 10:22:00 AM
I highly doubt it. :huh: That's a destroked LS7 through sidepipes. Totally different animal than a 5.3L iron block truck motor.
Think this guy had either a 5.7 or 6.0 (maybe a 6.2, it was dark and I couldn't make out the exact year) with glass packs. And in the lower RPM registers, yes, it sounded very similar.
I love burbly Silverados. Way better sounding than that EcoBoost garbage. :devil:
Quote from: giant_mtb on November 10, 2017, 11:04:45 AM
I love burbly Silverados. Way better sounding than that EcoBoost garbage. :devil:
Yeah, I much prefer the sound of a V8 over an EcoBoost; even if it's in a Silverdildo. Doesn't beat the sound of an F150 V8 though, especially supercharged.
Quote from: FoMoJo on November 10, 2017, 11:11:49 AM
Yeah, I much prefer the sound of a V8 over an EcoBoost; even if it's in a Silverdildo. Doesn't beat the sound of an F150 V8 though, especially supercharged.
Stock vs. stock, I prefer the sound of GM trucks. Not saying a Ford V8 doesn't sound good, I just think GM's typically sound better (unless we're talking Raptor...). :devil: :lol:
Quote from: giant_mtb on November 10, 2017, 11:16:59 AM
Stock vs. stock, I prefer the sound of GM trucks. Not saying a Ford V8 doesn't sound good, I just think GM's typically sound better (unless we're talking Raptor...). :devil: :lol:
Chevy and Ford sound is basically a tie for me. HEMI wins easily over both.
Quote from: giant_mtb on November 10, 2017, 11:04:45 AM
I love burbly Silverados. Way better sounding than that EcoBoost garbage. :devil:
EcoPoop F150s sound like garbage. When I bought my Mustang, I was invited to a new owners gathering at the dealership where they had free food and swag and they talked about availability of Ford Performance/Racing parts that they sold. Put up a video to highlight the various Ford Racing Exhaust options (vs stock) for sound quality on different vehicles (trucks and Mustangs, mostly). Ecoboost F150 sounded like nothing with the stock exhaust and like a late 80s GM 3.1L pushrod V6 with a rotten muffler with the "performance exhaust". Can't believe they'd even want people to see/hear that.
Quote from: MX793 on November 10, 2017, 11:26:13 AM
EcoPoop F150s sound like garbage. When I bought my Mustang, I was invited to a new owners gathering at the dealership where they had free food and swag and they talked about availability of Ford Performance/Racing parts that they sold. Put up a video to highlight the various Ford Racing Exhaust options (vs stock) for sound quality on different vehicles (trucks and Mustangs, mostly). Ecoboost F150 sounded like nothing with the stock exhaust and like a late 80s GM 3.1L pushrod V6 with a rotten muffler with the "performance exhaust". Can't believe they'd even want people to see/hear that.
Hahahaha.... I wouldn't go that far, but it's definitely not a sound worthy of a big honkin Mrca truck
It does get uncomfortably close to that sound though
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 10, 2017, 11:45:28 AM
Hahahaha.... I wouldn't go that far, but it's definitely not a sound worthy of a big honkin Mrca truck
It does get uncomfortably close to that sound though
I would go that far. The Ecoboost in the F150 sounds utterly horrible with a loud exhaust. And it's not a "I don't like V6s" thing. I like many V6s. Loved the sound of the 3.7 in my last Mustang. The EB F150, blech... No aggression, just unrefined noise and drone. The only EB V6 I've heard that sounds remotely good is the Ford GT.
I think this was the actual video they showed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oso53f5PTCQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oso53f5PTCQ)
Quote from: giant_mtb on November 10, 2017, 11:16:59 AM
Stock vs. stock, I prefer the sound of GM trucks. Not saying a Ford V8 doesn't sound good, I just think GM's typically sound better (unless we're talking Raptor...). :devil: :lol:
Displacement makes a difference. A muted rumble vs. a sharp bark in many cases. I prefer the intensity of the sharp bark followed by the primeval howl of the smaller displacement Ford V8s; the Voodoo practically makes my hair stand on end. But it's really the sound of the small block Windsors, HiPo versions that I like the best. Really unique.
Quote from: MX793 on November 10, 2017, 11:26:13 AM
EcoPoop F150s sound like garbage. When I bought my Mustang, I was invited to a new owners gathering at the dealership where they had free food and swag and they talked about availability of Ford Performance/Racing parts that they sold. Put up a video to highlight the various Ford Racing Exhaust options (vs stock) for sound quality on different vehicles (trucks and Mustangs, mostly). Ecoboost F150 sounded like nothing with the stock exhaust and like a late 80s GM 3.1L pushrod V6 with a rotten muffler with the "performance exhaust". Can't believe they'd even want people to see/hear that.
Kind of surprising that they can make the sound of the EcoBoost in the GT sound so good.
Quote from: MX793 on November 10, 2017, 12:00:00 PM
I would go that far. The Ecoboost in the F150 sounds utterly horrible with a loud exhaust. And it's not a "I don't like V6s" thing. I like many V6s. Loved the sound of the 3.7 in my last Mustang. The EB F150, blech... No aggression, just unrefined noise and drone. The only EB V6 I've heard that sounds remotely good is the Ford GT.
I think this was the actual video they showed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oso53f5PTCQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oso53f5PTCQ)
Well that was just not fair :lol:
I think a big part of what makes a nice engine note is aggressive cam timing.... these new turbo engines are tuned to peter out early so it's no wonder so many of them sound like shit. The old domestic V6s were tuned the same way so that's no surprise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT_XUDn0goE
Much better
Quote from: CaminoRacer on November 10, 2017, 10:22:00 AM
I highly doubt it. :huh: That's a destroked LS7 through sidepipes. Totally different animal than a 5.3L iron block truck motor.
But same firing order, same exhaust port layout. With the same exhaust they sound at least ~80% the same to me.
Quote from: MX793 on November 10, 2017, 12:00:00 PM
I would go that far. The Ecoboost in the F150 sounds utterly horrible with a loud exhaust. And it's not a "I don't like V6s" thing. I like many V6s. Loved the sound of the 3.7 in my last Mustang. The EB F150, blech... No aggression, just unrefined noise and drone. The only EB V6 I've heard that sounds remotely good is the Ford GT.
I think this was the actual video they showed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oso53f5PTCQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oso53f5PTCQ)
Poor bastards. There are a few EB F150s around here with aftermarket exhaust and it's embarrassing.
Now add the lousy MPG and the reliability issues how is it that anyone can claim that Ecoboost was a good idea?
I wouldn't say they get lousy fuel economy. My brother has an EB F150 (the older, steel-bodied model) which replaced a much less powerful, 5.4L F150. The ecoboost gets far better mileage (IIRC, he gets ~22 mpg highway, his old truck got ~16) and is significantly punchier.
Lousy WRT the sticker MPG, and plenty of comparison tests show it to be no better and sometimes worse than the GM 6.2L.
Quote from: GoCougs on November 11, 2017, 08:49:47 AM
Poor bastards. There are a few EB F150s around here with aftermarket exhaust and it's embarrassing.
Now add the lousy MPG and the reliability issues how is it that anyone can claim that Ecoboost was a good idea?
Amazing how all the other manufacturers jumped on the bandwagon. You'da thought they'd knowed better.
Quote from: GoCougs on November 11, 2017, 09:02:04 AM
Lousy WRT the sticker MPG, and plenty of comparison tests show it to be no better and sometimes worse than the GM 6.2L.
An EB F150 gets about the same gas mileage, and crucially, is about as fast as my old 350Z. EPA tests are w/e but there's nothing lousy about that kind of real world performance.
Quote from: r0tor on November 11, 2017, 07:55:39 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT_XUDn0goE
Much better
Still sounds like a Cummins at 1.5x speed
Quote from: r0tor on November 11, 2017, 07:55:39 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT_XUDn0goE
Much better
Sure, Pops and Burbles are fine. Be okay if it wasn't for all that grating racket in between.
Quote from: FoMoJo on November 11, 2017, 09:15:24 AM
Amazing how all the other manufacturers jumped on the bandwagon. You'da thought they'd knowed better.
GM, Dodge, Toyota and Nissan? None of them make a N/A turbo truck (at least in the USA).
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 11, 2017, 11:06:42 AM
An EB F150 gets about the same gas mileage, and crucially, is about as fast as my old 350Z. EPA tests are w/e but there's nothing lousy about that kind of real world performance.
What does this even mean? The 350Z is a 15-year-old car.
GM's 6.2L pooprod does all that, and maybe a bit more, plus it's much simpler and far more reliable (and sounds 1000% better) than the EB V6.
Quote from: GoCougs on November 11, 2017, 01:09:18 PM
GM, Dodge, Toyota and Nissan? None of them make a N/A turbo truck (at least in the USA).
Nobody makes a naturally aspirated turbocharged anything :lol:
Quote from: GoCougs on November 11, 2017, 01:12:23 PM
What does this even mean? The 350Z is a 15-year-old car.
GM's 6.2L pooprod does all that, and maybe a bit more, plus it's much simpler and far more reliable (and sounds 1000% better) than the EB V6.
15 years ago a pickup getting such performance probably got half that fuel mileage. There's clear progress that's been made.
And the new SBC V8 has its own problems... (https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2014-chevrolet-corvette-stingray-z51-manual-long-term-test-wrap-up) Very basic disappointing manufacturing 101 shit too. So that's not a win for the Chevy. The EB's ghastly engine note is though.
Quote from: GoCougs on November 11, 2017, 01:09:18 PM
GM, Dodge, Toyota and Nissan? None of them make a N/A turbo truck (at least in the USA).
A what?
Yes, yes - gas turbo - no one else is doing such trucks.
Quote from: GoCougs on November 12, 2017, 03:08:12 PM
Yes, yes - gas turbo - no one else is doing such trucks.
That's why they're losing :huh:.
I'm still giggling over "I would go that far"... MX793 was pissed :lol:
JFC!!!! JFC!!!! JFC!!!! JFC!!!! JFC!!!! JFC!!!!
https://jalopnik.com/the-first-911-restored-by-singer-with-a-500-hp-williams-1820434781
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Lamont!!!
It's fantastic for a lifelong Porschephile. I can't see ever spending that kind of cash on this over more completely modern alternatives.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on November 14, 2017, 04:51:30 PM
It's fantastic for a lifelong Porschephile. I can't see ever spending that kind of cash on this over more completely modern alternatives.
I see it differently. The McLaren, Porsche 918, LaFerrari... they're all Apple Watches. Well finished, with lots of tech and performance. But the Singer is a Rolex.
Mother
Of
God
I'm looking forward to seeing the car in the metal
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on November 14, 2017, 04:51:30 PM
It's fantastic for a lifelong Porschephile. I can't see ever spending that kind of cash on this over more completely modern alternatives.
I'd sort of like to see their take on a 2002 or 635Csi
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 14, 2017, 05:46:48 PM
I'd sort of like to see their take on a 2002 or 635Csi
I´ve seen a few very well done restomods on BMWs. I do lust after one of those. But I think nothing BMW exists at Singer's level.
Quote from: Rockraven on November 14, 2017, 05:19:33 PM
I see it differently. The McLaren, Porsche 918, LaFerrari... they're all Apple Watches. Well finished, with lots of tech and performance. But the Singer is a Rolex.
I get your point.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on November 14, 2017, 05:56:22 PM
I´ve seen a few very well done restomods on BMWs. I do lust after one of those. But I think nothing BMW exists at Singer's level.
I'm sure there are a few shops that can build something on the same level. If you give them the $$$. :lol:
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 14, 2017, 05:46:48 PM
I'd sort of like to see their take on a 2002 or 635Csi
Something like this. :wub:
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Quote from: Rich on November 14, 2017, 05:36:24 PM
I'm looking forward to seeing the car in the metal
You mean in the carbon
Quote from: Rockraven on November 14, 2017, 07:02:53 PM
Something like this. :wub:
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gross.
This is so much better
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Quote from: AutobahnSHO on November 19, 2017, 05:57:30 PM
gross.
This is so much better
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GROSS??? I love the 850, but come on.
3.0 CS needs period correct wheels... I'd prob go 3.0 CS over the 8 just for the weight, but I would need it spot welded solid
Those wheels are very much period correct, except for the size. And they're solid cars, even by modern standards.
Sorry but I just can't get over the top front lip of the hood ever being the most prominent (forward) part of any car. :huh:
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on November 20, 2017, 02:13:32 PM
Sorry but I just can't get over the top front lip of the hood ever being the most prominent (forward) part of any car. :huh:
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Quote from: AutobahnSHO on November 20, 2017, 02:13:32 PM
Sorry but I just can't get over the top front lip of the hood ever being the most prominent (forward) part of any car. :huh:
This is a Sporty-level weird hang-up.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on November 20, 2017, 02:45:33 PM
This is a Sporty-level weird hang-up.
The shark-nose 6-series, the 2002, the C2 Corvette...
Quote from: Rockraven on November 20, 2017, 02:57:54 PM
The shark-nose 6-series, the 2002, the C2 Corvette...
1964.5-1973 Mustang, 1977-1989 Aston Martin Vantage....
Quote from: MX793 on November 20, 2017, 03:17:33 PM
1964.5-1973 Mustang, 1977-1989 Aston Martin Vantage....
The BMW 850... :lol:
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on November 19, 2017, 05:57:30 PM
gross.
This is so much better
[picture of 850i]
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on November 20, 2017, 02:13:32 PM
Sorry but I just can't get over the top front lip of the hood ever being the most prominent (forward) part of any car. :huh:
lol wut
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I'd go to way more classic car shows if stuff like that 3.0CS would show up instead of the completely boring crowd of 60s muscle cars.
Quote from: r0tor on November 21, 2017, 10:16:54 AM
I'd go to way more classic car shows if stuff like that 3.0CS would show up instead of the completely boring crowd of 60s muscle cars.
It's why I like the concourse d'lemons type events.
Quote from: r0tor on November 21, 2017, 10:16:54 AM
I'd go to way more classic car shows if stuff like that 3.0CS would show up instead of the completely boring crowd of 60s muscle cars.
That's why I love the local Cars & Coffee events. Never know what sort of cool old iron is gonna show up.
Quote from: Rockraven on November 14, 2017, 07:02:53 PM
Something like this. :wub:
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