Say Hello To The Long-Awaited BMW Z4 Concept
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The first images of BMW's much-hyped Z4 Concept have just emerged online, shortly before the vehicle's world debut at the Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance.
The German marque has yet to release official details about the sports car concept but yesterday we learnt that the car does indeed preview the next-generation Z4. If the production car looks anything like the concept, BMW has a winner on its hands.
The concept has been finished in a unique matte orange color and rolls on a set of silver and black wheels. Additionally, it adopts a pointed front end with an angular kidney grille, a pair of large air intakes and aggressive headlights with incorporated LED daytime running lights.
The rear is also particularly impressive and includes small silver buttresses behind both head rests, curvaceous taillights and dual tailpipes painted silver. This being a concept, the wing mirrors and windscreen surround are both stupendously thin.
Stay tuned for more details as the day progresses.
Link: http://www.carscoops.com/2017/08/say-hello-to-long-awaited-bmw-z4-concept.html
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Wow.
Does anyone know what I saw the other day? I thought BMW is getting rid of the 6er, and this is too huge for a Z4. Could it be the 8-Series?
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Some nice design cues, but goddamn those fucking high beltlines. Makes the car look heavy and out of sync with the svelte windshield. Digging the interior, but not the mis-matched seats.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on August 17, 2017, 07:38:38 AM
Does anyone know what I saw the other day? I thought BMW is getting rid of the 6er, and this is too huge for a Z4. Could it be the 8-Series?
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That's probably the new 8.
Quote from: Rockraven on August 17, 2017, 07:41:01 AM
That's probably the new 8.
Ok.
And this? Is this the upcoming Toyota Supra that's being developed together with BMW? Saw both of these cars on the same day at BMW Welt | BMW Museum. :mask:
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Apparently, yes. Which is curious, because no way could you get your arm up like that on the Bimmer (as the concept currently stands).
The tall beltline and strong wedge (upward sweep) from front to rear reminds me of the SLK.
My, this is pretty. Love the bronze color too. And rejoice, you can get it with a manual!
Quote from: Xer0 on August 17, 2017, 08:18:56 AM
My, this is pretty. Love the bronze color too. And rejoice, you can get it with a manual!
No fucking way. Don't you be teasing me.
Quote from: Rockraven on August 17, 2017, 08:24:09 AM
No fucking way. Don't you be teasing me.
Apparently yes, it will come with a manual.
Looks really good. Hopefully they bring the driving fun back, as well as the lighter + cheaper ragtop.
Curious to see what engine they use in the Supra and if it's gonna be a 2+2. I don't think the Supra will come with a manual though.
Quote from: Galaxy on August 17, 2017, 08:30:41 AM
Apparently yes, it will come with a manual.
Surprising, given BMW's recent statement on manuals.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 17, 2017, 08:35:26 AM
Looks really good. Hopefully they bring the driving fun back, as well as the lighter + cheaper ragtop.
Curious to see what engine they use in the Supra and if it's gonna be a 2+2. I don't think the Supra will come with a manual though.
Believe Toyota has already confirmed the Supra will be auto-only. Wouldn't surprise me if it was also a hybrid.
Not feeling it
This is cool and all, but it'll probably be $60k. I don't have that kind of money for a toy.
Quote from: MrH on August 17, 2017, 10:46:17 AM
This is cool and all, but it'll probably be $60k. I don't have that kind of money for a toy.
Definitely in Boxster territory.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 17, 2017, 08:35:26 AM
Looks really good. Hopefully they bring the driving fun back, as well as the lighter + cheaper ragtop.
Curious to see what engine they use in the Supra and if it's gonna be a 2+2. I don't think the Supra will come with a manual though.
This is confirmed to be ragtop, so it should be a lot lighter than the last one. Drinig fun is the key question. apparently no ///M version is planned, but if they get the basic chassis right, a 40i version would be more than powerful enough.
Quote from: Rockraven on August 17, 2017, 08:55:45 AM
Surprising, given BMW's recent statement on manuals.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz80PUDyj_I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz80PUDyj_I)
Looks good IMHO. Will be interested to see exactly how it translates to production.
That being said I expect it will be ridiculously expensive (on par or higher than the Boxster).
Real life pic. Unless that guy is huge, I think this car is definitely less bloated than the last one. I am liking the size a lot.
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Not bloated?! The door sills basically intersect with the driver's head; what's up with that?
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on August 17, 2017, 11:46:30 AM
Real life pic. Unless that guy is huge, I think this car is definitely less bloated than the last one. I am liking the size a lot.
That guy looks like an aged Adrian van Hooydonk...
Quote from: Laconian on August 17, 2017, 11:51:01 AM
Not bloated?! The door sills basically intersect with the driver's head; what's up with that?
Kevin, to you I guess anything heavier than a Miata is bloated :)
Quote from: cawimmer430 on August 17, 2017, 11:53:26 AM
That guy looks like an aged Adrian van Hooydonk...
I was thinking Billy Bob Thornton.
That thing is sexy as hell
I still like mine better, but this looks pretty good. Or at least it will once it's toned down for production. I like doors that aren't higher than the top of windshield.
Quote from: MX793 on August 17, 2017, 09:44:43 AM
Believe Toyota has already confirmed the Supra will be auto-only. Wouldn't surprise me if it was also a hybrid.
At Toyota:
"Hey, remember how everyone waited around for years at Honda and when they finally brought out the new NSX it as an overweight hybrid that nobody likes? Let's do that."
Quote from: Raza on August 17, 2017, 03:23:09 PM
At Toyota:
"Hey, remember how everyone waited around for years at Honda and when they finally brought out the new NSX it as an overweight hybrid that nobody likes? Let's do that."
If we're lucky, they may offer both a non-hybrid and a hybrid version (like the Lexus LC). But given that Toyota feels the need to Hybridize practically everything they sell, and will certainly want to do so with their halo car, I'll be stunned if there isn't a hybrid Supra.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on August 17, 2017, 11:53:26 AM
That guy looks like an aged Adrian van Hooydonk...
That is Adrian van Hooydonk. :lol:
I was also surprised because I had also memorized that he moved on from BMW. Turns out he just moved up the ladder. He is now head of design for the entire BMW Group, including motorcycles, Rolls Royce, and Mini.
Quote from: MX793 on August 17, 2017, 03:26:43 PM
If we're lucky, they may offer both a non-hybrid and a hybrid version (like the Lexus LC). But given that Toyota feels the need to Hybridize practically everything they sell, and will certainly want to do so with their halo car, I'll be stunned if there isn't a hybrid Supra.
Hybridization can be OK if done right.
https://youtu.be/L2eraoIUCms?t=22
I would prefer hybridization + NA to turbocharging, as long as the weight can be kept under control.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 17, 2017, 08:11:03 PM
Hybridization can be OK if done right.
https://youtu.be/L2eraoIUCms?t=22
I would prefer hybridization + NA to turbocharging, as long as the weight can be kept under control.
Sure, but not if it's using Toyota's ubiquitous Synergy drive. I do not want a CVT in my sports car. Nor do I want that Frankenstein drivetrain from the LC Hybrid where they took the Synergy Drive CVT and tacked a traditional 4AT to the back of it to mimic real gears.
Quote from: MX793 on August 17, 2017, 08:24:43 PM
where they took the Synergy Drive CVT and tacked a traditional 4AT to the back of it to mimic real gears.
...wat
Quote from: Galaxy on August 17, 2017, 03:34:35 PM
That is Adrian van Hooydonk. :lol:
I was also surprised because I had also memorized that he moved on from BMW. Turns out he just moved up the ladder. He is now head of design for the entire BMW Group, including motorcycles, Rolls Royce, and Mini.
I knew that guy looked familiar! :praise:
Quote from: Raza on August 17, 2017, 03:23:09 PM
At Toyota:
"Hey, remember how everyone waited around for years at Honda and when they finally brought out the new NSX it as an overweight hybrid that nobody likes? Let's do that."
:lol:
New Z4 reportedly has a larger footprint than the current one (longer and wider).
Quote from: MX793 on August 18, 2017, 11:46:18 AM
New Z4 reportedly has a larger footprint than the current one (longer and wider).
Source?
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on August 18, 2017, 04:32:13 PM
Source?
https://www.engadget.com/2017/08/17/bmw-s-redesigned-8-series-is-cleaner-more-aggressive/ (https://www.engadget.com/2017/08/17/bmw-s-redesigned-8-series-is-cleaner-more-aggressive/)
Quote from: MX793 on August 18, 2017, 05:20:03 PM
https://www.engadget.com/2017/08/17/bmw-s-redesigned-8-series-is-cleaner-more-aggressive/ (https://www.engadget.com/2017/08/17/bmw-s-redesigned-8-series-is-cleaner-more-aggressive/)
Thanks.
Quote from: MX793 on August 17, 2017, 08:24:43 PM
Sure, but not if it's using Toyota's ubiquitous Synergy drive. I do not want a CVT in my sports car. Nor do I want that Frankenstein drivetrain from the LC Hybrid where they took the Synergy Drive CVT and tacked a traditional 4AT to the back of it to mimic real gears.
How does that work?
Quote from: Submariner on August 19, 2017, 03:34:41 PM
How does that work?
Like other drivetrains that use secondary gearboxes on the output of the primary (e.g. 10-15 speed semis with 2-3 spd secondary boxes, or a 4WD with a 2-speed transfer case).
In normal mode, it drives like a CVT, but the second box can expand the ratio band of the CVT (allowing the electric motors to turn at lower RPMs in all-electric mode). In sport mode, the secondary box allows for shifts that feel more like a "normal" multi-speed gearbox and is supposed to remove the rubber band feeling associated with CVTs.
These give a little more explanation:
https://lexusenthusiast.com/2016/03/07/video-explaining-the-new-lexus-lc-500h-hybrid-transmission/ (https://lexusenthusiast.com/2016/03/07/video-explaining-the-new-lexus-lc-500h-hybrid-transmission/)
http://blog.caranddriver.com/two-trans-enter-one-trans-leaves-details-of-the-new-lexus-multi-stage-hybrid/ (http://blog.caranddriver.com/two-trans-enter-one-trans-leaves-details-of-the-new-lexus-multi-stage-hybrid/)
Spotted what looks like the next-generation Z4 (and the upcoming X7 SUV) today!
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Nice catch. Do you sell those pics?
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on September 15, 2017, 03:27:20 PM
Nice catch. Do you sell those pics?
Nope, because someone will usually have shot these cars before me and sold them to the magazines. The few times I tried to sell them I've been told that someone already sent them the shots of this/these car(s).
I've heard that there are literally spy photographers who camp out at the Nürburgring (or at the gates of BMWs Skunk Works) just to get the first shots of some prototype and then sell it to a magazine. ;)