Pretty nice alternative to the Subaru Outback.
https://www.caranddriver.com/buick/regal-tourx
Looks damn good. Glad to see that they've gone back to the old logo.
(https://s1.postimg.org/84h5h3y8sv/2018-buick-regal-tourx-inline1-photo-678342-s-original.jpg)
The grille looks far better than on recent Buicks.
Nice! Very handsome and a good alternative for folks that aren't in love with the gargling of the CVT+boxer 4. Ground clearance looks average, though, and what's with those tiny windows in the back? I doubt kids could see out of the car.
It has a "if Kia made an Optima Wagon" vibe, especially from this angle. That's a compliment. I really like this.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-LgHLF26b0t0/WMibLAokpWI/AAAAAAAAldM/Je3aSC04gK4VBD1zn1AQKfwy2shh5MykwCLcB/s1600/Opel-Insignia-Sports-Tourer-304055.jpeg)
If it's as serene as the LaCrosse, it could be a fantastic road tripper.
Oh wow, that shit is HEAVY, though. 4300 pounds?
Outback is 3,580 to 3,856 lbs.
Quote from: Laconian on October 15, 2017, 11:08:18 AM
Oh wow, that shit is HEAVY, though. 4300 pounds?
Outback is 3,580 to 3,856 lbs.
Wow is right. The tranny is going to be cascading through those 8 speeds trying to get the right one for the moment with that little Turbo 4 struggling to keep itself composed. Don't think that the 29 mpg is going to be too realistic in this case.
Quote from: Rockraven on October 15, 2017, 11:00:47 AM
It has a "if Kia made an Optima Wagon" vibe...
They do.
(http://www.kia.com/de/-/media/files-from-kme/pip/carousels/pip/jf-sw/jf-sw_exm1_stage4_1920x1080.jpg?w=1024)
Quote from: Laconian on October 15, 2017, 11:08:18 AM
Oh wow, that shit is HEAVY, though. 4300 pounds?
Where did you get this figure? This new Regal/Insignia is supposed to be 300-500lbs lighter than the last one.
Even still, who cares?
Quote from: 68_427 on October 15, 2017, 12:44:36 PM
Where did you get this figure? This new Regal/Insignia is supposed to be 300-500lbs lighter than the last one.
https://www.caranddriver.com/buick/regal-tourx/specs
Interesting. We'll see if that ends up being the case. Would be kinda crappy if it does.
Quote from: Laconian on October 15, 2017, 11:08:18 AM
Oh wow, that shit is HEAVY, though. 4300 pounds?
Outback is 3,580 to 3,856 lbs.
It's a much bigger car.
Quote from: Laconian on October 15, 2017, 11:08:18 AM
Oh wow, that shit is HEAVY, though. 4300 pounds?
I was waiting for that shoe to drop. The last Regal GS sedan was 4000lbs. I think the Cascada was 4000lbs. No way was this gonna be anything less than 2 tons.
For reference wifey's MKX is 4400lbs. This thing's gonna be a dog
Quote from: 2o6 on October 15, 2017, 12:45:41 PM
Even still, who cares?
When it's saddled to a 2.0L four cylinder, I'd say it matters, especially when it's 700 lb heavier than the Outback.
Quote from: Rockraven on October 15, 2017, 12:54:34 PM
It's a much bigger car.
No it's not. The Outback is slightly bigger in the passenger compartment (hip room, shoulder room, etc) and has roughly the same amount of space in the cargo area.
I think the weight numbers are wrong. According to C&D, this car is 200 lb lighter than the previous model.
Quote from: mzziaz on October 15, 2017, 02:43:40 PM
I think the weight numbers are wrong. According to C&D, this car is 200 lb lighter than the previous model.
From the article OP...
A quoted curb weight of 4239 pounds means that the TourX won't be as spirited a performer as the Regal Sportback, which is several hundred pounds lighter. As you might expect, the wagon's big draw will be its generous cargo space. There is 33 cubic feet of space behind the rear seats, and those seats fold to create a 74-cubic-foot hold, slightly more than you'll find in the Outback and as spacious as many small SUVs.
"The new model's weight reduction equates to about 200 pounds when compared with the last AWD version"
https://www.google.no/amp/s/www.caranddriver.com/amp/reviews/2017-opel-insignia-grand-sport-first-drive-review
Two tons for an Insignia? That doesn't make sense
I think that weight is an error. No way it weighs that much. That's more than an AWD 300C weighs, which is a full-size car with a heavy, iron-block V8 under hood. I'm guessing closer to 3600 lbs for the Insignia/TourX.
Quote from: Laconian on October 15, 2017, 11:08:18 AM
Oh wow, that shit is HEAVY, though. 4300 pounds?
Outback is 3,580 to 3,856 lbs.
GM must source its steal from the same people the sell Jaguar their aluminium.
"steal" :lol:
As Rags said, the Outback is a pretty large car.
Quote from: Cookie Monster on October 15, 2017, 02:43:39 PM
When it's saddled to a 2.0L four cylinder, I'd say it matters, especially when it's 700 lb heavier than the Outback.
No it's not. The Outback is slightly bigger in the passenger compartment (hip room, shoulder room, etc) and has roughly the same amount of space in the cargo area.
Quote from: Laconian on October 15, 2017, 05:32:46 PM
As Rags said, the Outback is a pretty large car.
From the link...
Like its predecessor, the new Regal is spun from the Opel Insignia, which means it also shares a basic platform with the latest Chevrolet Malibu. The wagon measures 196.3 inches long, making it nearly seven inches longer than the Subaru Outback and 16 inches longer than the Volkswagen Golf Alltrack. Of course, Buick wants you to compare the Regal TourX with more premium wagons like the Audi A4 Allroad and the Volvo V60 Cross Country, both of which also are significantly smaller than the Regal.
As you might expect, the wagon's big draw will be its generous cargo space. There is 33 cubic feet of space behind the rear seats, and those seats fold to create a 74-cubic-foot hold, slightly more than you'll find in the Outback and as spacious as many small SUVs.
Quote from: Rockraven on October 15, 2017, 06:31:49 PM
From the link...
Like its predecessor, the new Regal is spun from the Opel Insignia, which means it also shares a basic platform with the latest Chevrolet Malibu. The wagon measures 196.3 inches long, making it nearly seven inches longer than the Subaru Outback and 16 inches longer than the Volkswagen Golf Alltrack. Of course, Buick wants you to compare the Regal TourX with more premium wagons like the Audi A4 Allroad and the Volvo V60 Cross Country, both of which also are significantly smaller than the Regal.
As you might expect, the wagon's big draw will be its generous cargo space. There is 33 cubic feet of space behind the rear seats, and those seats fold to create a 74-cubic-foot hold, slightly more than you'll find in the Outback and as spacious as many small SUVs.
A 7" increase in length still isn't big enough to warrant a 700 lb increase.
Plus, in all measurements that actually matter (aka interior room), the Subaru beats or matches this thing. The Subaru has 35.5 cubic feet behind the rear seats and 73.3 cubic feet behind the front. "Slightly more" is .2 cubic feet in one area, which is misleading and doesn't make this car any bigger than the Outback.
But more wagons :( Even if they weigh more than crossovers on the same platform.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 15, 2017, 07:26:12 PM
But more wagons :( Even if they weigh more than crossovers on the same platform.
Yeah, it's a good thing overall, I'm just curious where the hell all that weight came from. I'm not declaring it a POS. In fact, based on my experience with the Lacrosse, I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt. That was a very sweet cruiser.
I imagine the ride quality and NVH are better than the Outback. That car is loudddd at 70mph.
Plastic cladding on a Buick?
According to Buick, curb weight is just over 3400 lbs.
http://media.buick.com/media/us/en/buick/vehicles/regal-tourx/2018.tab1.html (http://media.buick.com/media/us/en/buick/vehicles/regal-tourx/2018.tab1.html)
I think people are misreporting GVWR as curb weight, as several press outlets are claiming 4300+ lbs. Or the press release was in error.
Quote from: MX793 on October 16, 2017, 06:02:21 AM
According to Buick, curb weight is just over 3400 lbs.
http://media.buick.com/media/us/en/buick/vehicles/regal-tourx/2018.tab1.html (http://media.buick.com/media/us/en/buick/vehicles/regal-tourx/2018.tab1.html)
I think people are misreporting GVWR as curb weight, as several press outlets are claiming 4300+ lbs. Or the press release was in error.
Wow, what the fuck.
Quote from: Raza on October 16, 2017, 05:12:01 AM
Plastic cladding on a Buick?
One thing I don't like about it, especially the weird bumps on top of the wheel well cladding. I wonder if it would be difficult to de-clad the wheel arches... the rocker cladding can stay.
Spec sheet for the Opel Insignia Sports Tourer wagon. Fahrzeuggewicht translates to "vehicle weight". 1487-1633 kgs converts to 3278-3600 lbs.
(https://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/gallery/opel-configurator_3.jpg)
Are they going to sell the non-lifted, zero plastic one here or not?
Quote from: MrH on October 16, 2017, 06:38:55 AM
Are they going to sell the non-lifted, zero plastic one here or not?
Doubt it.
BC Racing will get you right, as will your local vinyl wrap company
These new young journalists don't know shit.
:hesaid:
1000lbs is a massive difference. Screw those press outlets for fudging it so badly.
This raised wagon thing looks great. The grill and headlights combo has a modern Volvo vibe to it which is a good thing. Everyone rags on GM for plastic cladding maybe because historically Pontiac went a little extreme with it. Fact is GM is just copying the styling used by Subaru, Audi, and recently Mercedes (e class all terrain). I don't think it looks great on any of them but visually it makes a raised wagon look more utilitarian and having more all terrain and all weather capability.
How well this thing might sell here is mostly I think about how GM prices it. It'll likely be quieter than the Subaru Outback and a bit anemic in power (just like the 4 cylinder Outbacks are). If GM prices it in the low 30 thousands with standard options I think it'll sell well. Buick has had a winner with the Enclave I think because they haven't been too ambitious in pricing and you get a very nice near luxury SUV for Honda Pilot money.
V6 with 3600lbs sounds pretty good; better than the G.
GM cars had a trend with being too heavy, but in the real world they usually get performance and economy numbers similar to the competition.
My Sonic is a good 300-400 lbs heavier than the Hyundai Accent and Kia Rio, but the economy and performance is about the same as those cars. My car also rides better than the Korean twins.
Quote from: 2o6 on October 17, 2017, 09:42:28 AM
GM cars had a trend with being too heavy, but in the real world they usually get performance and economy numbers similar to the competition.
My Sonic is a good 300-400 lbs heavier than the Hyundai Accent and Kia Rio, but the economy and performance is about the same as those cars. My car also rides better than the Korean twins.
There's no way this thing is 700+ lbs heavier than an Outback. 200 lbs, ok, I could buy that. 4300+ lbs fails the reasonableness test.
Also, several other sources (Buick and Opel websites) claim a much more reasonable mid 3k lbs weight.