Unveiled. 2019 model.
https://www.subaru.com/2017-laas
5000lbs towing,
7 or 8 seats (does anyone else offer buckets in the second row?),
260HP,
Eyesight standard.
Love that panorama roof.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on November 28, 2017, 08:03:28 PM
(does anyone else offer buckets in the second row?),
:confused:
2017 Three-Row SUVs With Captain's Chairs:
2017 Acura MDX
2017 Acura MDX Sport Hybrid
2017 Buick Enclave
2017 Cadillac Escalade, Escalade ESV
2017 Chevrolet Suburban
2017 Chevrolet Tahoe
2017 Chevrolet Traverse
2017 Dodge Durango
2017 Ford Expedition, Expedition EL
2017 Ford Explorer
2017 Ford Flex
2017 GMC Acadia
2017 GMC Yukon, Yukon XL
2017 Honda Pilot
2017 Hyundai Santa Fe
2017 Infiniti QX80
2017 Lexus GX 460
2017 Lincoln MKT
2017 Lincoln Navigator, Navigator L
2017 Nissan Armada
2017 Tesla Model X
2017 Toyota Highlander
2017 Toyota Highlander Hybrid
2017 Toyota Sequoia
Good to know. :lol:
Quote from: giant_mtb on November 28, 2017, 08:11:13 PM
:confused:
2017 Three-Row SUVs With Captain's Chairs:
2017 Acura MDX
2017 Acura MDX Sport Hybrid
2017 Buick Enclave
2017 Cadillac Escalade, Escalade ESV
2017 Chevrolet Suburban
2017 Chevrolet Tahoe
2017 Chevrolet Traverse
2017 Dodge Durango
2017 Ford Expedition, Expedition EL
2017 Ford Explorer
2017 Ford Flex
2017 GMC Acadia
2017 GMC Yukon, Yukon XL
2017 Honda Pilot
2017 Hyundai Santa Fe
2017 Infiniti QX80
2017 Lexus GX 460
2017 Lincoln MKT
2017 Lincoln Navigator, Navigator L
2017 Nissan Armada
2017 Tesla Model X
2017 Toyota Highlander
2017 Toyota Highlander Hybrid
2017 Toyota Sequoia
I didn't know most of those. All I'd be able to come up with is the Suburban.
Quote from: giant_mtb on November 28, 2017, 08:28:08 PM
I mean...you own a mini van... :lol:
I don't pay much attention to SUVs. In 2015 we went to CarMax and I sat in the back of every one they had available. None had as much space in the third row as every minivan I've owned. Too bad, I wanted to shop mazdas and Flexes...
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on November 28, 2017, 10:21:17 PM
I don't pay much attention to SUVs. In 2015 we went to CarMax and I sat in the back of every one they had available. None had as much space in the third row as every minivan I've owned. Too bad, I wanted to shop mazdas and Flexes...
Mini vans are the ultimate in flat-floor comfort and space. No doubt about it. SUVs make lots of compromises, especially because you introduce driven rear wheels.
Quote from: giant_mtb on November 28, 2017, 10:23:02 PM
Mini vans are the ultimate in flat-floor comfort and space. No doubt about it. SUVs make lots of compromises, especially because you introduce driven rear wheels.
Toyota Sienna offers AWD without compromise of interior space. :huh:
It's more the ground clearance of the SUV vs. minivan which eats into interior SUV space.
Subie played it very safe with the styling. It looks massive and brawny and given how Subaru can do no wrong recently, it should be a big sales success. I'd take one over a Pilot or Highlander. Probably a bit under powered for how big it is and noisy (my guess), but overall a great package.
I hope we never need a 3 row. I'd rather just submit to a minivan
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 29, 2017, 06:20:23 AM
I hope we never need a 3 row. I'd rather just submit to a minivan
Ehh, three row SUVs are fine especially because you don't live in a cramped urban city environment. American roads and parking spaces are wide. Gas is cheap and looks to remain cheap for the foreseeable near future. Also minivans don't get that great mileage. Ergonomically a minivan no question is better but if you don't like the styling it's better to sacrifice a little bit of function for form as long as it gets the job done. It's like a winter coat. Unless you're doing something like the Iditarod, you don't need to get the most functional lightweight warmest weatherproof coat on the market. You can get that peacoat because it looks damn good on you and gets the job done.
Probably a 50:50 shot one of these ends up in my driveway at some point. Either this or the next Highlander will be the wife's next car. Undoubtedly it will be black with a black interior (that's all she buys for some reason).
I'll be curious to see how they're priced.
Saw another article that they'll be twin-turbo flat-4 with CVT (with options to simulate traditional autotragic).
Seems it's going to just fit in with the Highlander/Pilot crowd, nothing really stands out. Might cut into Outback sales, but Subaru has been without fail gradually increasing sales the last decade.
Quote from: veeman on November 29, 2017, 08:21:55 AM
Also minivans don’t get that great mileage.
https://www.carsdirect.com/compare/toyota-sienna-vs-toyota-highlander
Regular Sienna gets better than 4-banger Highlander.
Room: 150cu ft Sienna vs 83 in Highlander, all seats down. Sienna has 39cu ft with all seats up.
Odyssey vs. Pilot
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/compare/Honda-Odyssey-vs-Honda-Pilot_d592_d594#section-specs
Similar prices,
Odyssey gets 1 mpg better highway (aerodynamics?) but same city
Odyssey is 9in. longer and 13in. longer, resulting in twice as much cargo room.
Odyssey is not available in AWD.
Each of them have their place, I would consider going 3row SUV for next purchase, as we don't use the 3rd row much. Wife is enjoying current Odyssey though.
Quote from: veeman on November 29, 2017, 08:21:55 AM
Ehh, three row SUVs are fine especially because you don't live in a cramped urban city environment. American roads and parking spaces are wide. Gas is cheap and looks to remain cheap for the foreseeable near future. Also minivans don't get that great mileage. Ergonomically a minivan no question is better but if you don't like the styling it's better to sacrifice a little bit of function for form as long as it gets the job done. It's like a winter coat. Unless you're doing something like the Iditarod, you don't need to get the most functional lightweight warmest weatherproof coat on the market. You can get that peacoat because it looks damn good on you and gets the job done.
Well, to me, these things don't look any better than minivans. They are essentially minivans with rear hinged doors and butch tires. 2 row crossovers look way better. I think the real problem with minivans is they are effing huge. I was going to say they should bring back the SWB minivan, but I think that's the role the 3 row crossover has filled.
My bigger gripe is the comical growth of vehicles in these classes. 3 row, minivan, neither is going to fit in my garage with a second car. It's tight with the MKX as is. I wish we got some of the LWB stuff they got in China.
If I need 7 seats, I'll just get a Sienna. They drive better and are more practical. The recent one even look pretty good.
(I would have said Odyssey but Honda's styling is garbage lately. There's a new CR-V parked on my street that looks like a chubby Bulldog. Sorry Lebowski)
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 29, 2017, 10:55:56 AM
My bigger gripe is the comical growth of vehicles in these classes. 3 row, minivan, neither is going to fit in my garage with a second car.
You have a garage for kids' bikes? :confused: :mrcool:
The minivan was actually invented so it could fit into garages, where all the vans sold back then did not fit.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on November 29, 2017, 11:05:02 AM
If I need 7 seats, I'll just get a Sienna. They drive better and are more practical. The recent one even look pretty good.
They truly are better at everything except some minor off-roading. Don't use it for that!!
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 29, 2017, 10:55:56 AM
Well, to me, these things don't look any better than minivans. They are essentially minivans with rear hinged doors and butch tires. 2 row crossovers look way better. I think the real problem with minivans is they are effing huge. I was going to say they should bring back the SWB minivan, but I think that's the role the 3 row crossover has filled.
My bigger gripe is the comical growth of vehicles in these classes. 3 row, minivan, neither is going to fit in my garage with a second car. It's tight with the MKX as is. I wish we got some of the LWB stuff they got in China.
Mini vans aren't really all
that big. A Honday Odyssey is shorter than my Tacoma in length, and my Tacoma fits with a few inches to spare in my tiny 1-car garage. If you can't fit a mini van in your garage, you have too much other stuff in your garage. :huh:
They're going to sell a metric fuckton of these.
Quote from: 2o6 on November 29, 2017, 12:43:25 PM
They’re going to sell a metric fuckton of these.
You think so? Seems to be just average with the rest of them. Nothing seems to jump out as "better".
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on November 29, 2017, 12:54:05 PM
You think so? Seems to be just average with the rest of them. Nothing seems to jump out as "better".
Subaru dealers have been clamoring for this type of vehicle for awhile now. The B9 Tribeca wasn't the best product, but this is.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on November 29, 2017, 12:54:05 PM
You think so? Seems to be just average with the rest of them. Nothing seems to jump out as "better".
Compared to its 3-row competition, you mean? I think it's a great idea for Subie to jump into this segment and compete with the Traverse and Acadia. Subaru has been on a roll, and I bet offering something larger like this will get even more people through their door.
Hope so. I love me some Subies. :ohyeah:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 29, 2017, 10:55:56 AM
My bigger gripe is the comical growth of vehicles in these classes. 3 row, minivan, neither is going to fit in my garage with a second car. It's tight with the MKX as is. I wish we got some of the LWB stuff they got in China.
It seems in your case it's more of a width issue rather than a length issue (no porn pun intended :lol:). Small garages are annoying. My former abode was a townhouse with a 1 car small garage which I could barely fit my Enclave into. I just ended up leaving it parked in the driveway.
I feel like this segment is cooling off and getting more crowded. Subie's a little late. But not too late I suppose
So how big is this thing?
(https://s18.postimg.org/vbu480h6x/Towing_Capacity_1920x1200.jpg)
Are those adults, children or midgets standing behind it?
I would imagine that it will be about the same size as a GMC Acadia which is a little under 200 inches long. The first Acadia was almost exactly the same size as a Dodge Grand Caravan but they Shrunk the new Acadia down a little.
Shows it towing a boat. Interesting.
Quote from: shp4man on November 30, 2017, 04:07:44 PM
Shows it towing a boat. Interesting.
5000lb towing capacity
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on November 30, 2017, 10:53:50 AM
I feel like this segment is cooling off and getting more crowded. Subie's a little late. But not too late I suppose
Cooling off? No way, CUVs are devouring the market.
I like it. I really just want to know what's happening with the new Forester. Differentiating that vehicle from the Outback and the Crosstek should be an interesting challenge. I heard some of the styling cues are similar to the Ascent. We will see I'm sure.
Subie's website says the Ascent has more
-passenger space than CX-9
-bigger than Highlander
-taller than Titan
-more passengers than explorer
-more cargo room behind rear seat than Pilot
-tows more than GMC Acadia
-more shoulder room than Santa Fe
-ground clearance than something or other
Cherrypicking superlatives is bush league GM shit lol
Quote from: Laconian on January 04, 2018, 01:42:10 PM
Cherrypicking superlatives is bush league GM shit lol
they have marked their target market?? :lol:
Quote from: Laconian on January 04, 2018, 01:42:10 PM
Cherrypicking superlatives is bush league GM shit lol
(http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/thumbs/2017/03/17/084730/85296498/JD.jpg)
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on January 04, 2018, 01:07:49 PM
Subie's website says the Ascent has more
-passenger space than CX-9
-bigger than Highlander
-taller than Titan
-more passengers than explorer
-more cargo room behind rear seat than Pilot
-tows more than GMC Acadia
-more shoulder room than Santa Fe
-ground clearance than something or other
Taller than the VW Atlas, you mean?
Quote from: Submariner on January 04, 2018, 06:16:33 PM
Taller than the VW Atlas, you mean?
Sure- I was just going off memory. I think it's a funny statistic. Most of them are though.
Does Subaru use the "certified" tow rating numbers? (The Acadia absolutely does not)
Quote from: Laconian on January 04, 2018, 01:42:10 PM
Cherrypicking superlatives is bush league GM shit lol
Isn't that just old school Subaru? I remember the commercials for the original Outback use to mention the Ford Explorer alot
I wish they made SWB 2 row versions of these things.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 06, 2018, 04:42:00 PM
I wish they made SWB 2 row versions of these things.
you mean like a Forester or Outback???? :confused:
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on January 06, 2018, 05:13:21 PM
you mean like a Forester or Outback???? :confused:
No, those are too small. I am thinking something sized like an Edge or Murano. Compact crossovers are tight for infant seats. Ours is a midsize and our smallish child seat just barely fits behind my wife.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 08, 2018, 07:39:07 AM
No, those are too small. I am thinking something sized like an Edge or Murano. Compact crossovers are tight for infant seats. Ours is a midsize and our smallish child seat just barely fits behind my wife.
Newer Forester seems pretty big in the backseat.
This page says the Forester second row is within 2in of Murano's head, shoulder, hip room, and .7in legroom.
https://www.thecarconnection.com/car-compare-results/nissan_murano_2017-vs-subaru_forester_2017
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 08, 2018, 07:39:07 AM
No, those are too small. I am thinking something sized like an Edge or Murano. Compact crossovers are tight for infant seats. Ours is a midsize and our smallish child seat just barely fits behind my wife.
The outback is pretty massive in the back... :confused:
Quote from: MrH on January 08, 2018, 10:14:00 AM
The outback is pretty massive in the back... :confused:
websites are giving me issues here at work but one says Outback is 38.1in rear legroom vs Murano's 38.7in.
Clearly they need another vehicle. .6" in legroom is critical to fit Sporty's lifestyle :lol:
Quote from: MrH on January 08, 2018, 01:46:30 PM
Clearly they need another vehicle. .6” in legroom is critical to fit Sporty’s lifestyle :lol:
:lol:
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 08, 2018, 07:39:07 AM
No, those are too small. I am thinking something sized like an Edge or Murano. Compact crossovers are tight for infant seats. Ours is a midsize and our smallish child seat just barely fits behind my wife.
What are you talking about? Outbacks are huge! Tons of legroom in the back.
plus a SWB version would by definition have less passenger room in 1st and 2nd row.
Sporty's "it should be smaller" logic rarely applies to any real world experience. Come on, now. We all know this.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 08, 2018, 07:39:07 AM
No, those are too small. I am thinking something sized like an Edge or Murano. Compact crossovers are tight for infant seats. Ours is a midsize and our smallish child seat just barely fits behind my wife.
Everything; and I mean everything is tight for infant seats.
Quote from: Laconian on January 08, 2018, 04:42:05 PM
What are you talking about? Outbacks are huge! Tons of legroom in the back.
Only complaint I could see is that the Outback feels like a raised station wagon (cuz it is).
I think a more blocky SUV styled 2-row thing wouldn't be a bad idea. Like a shorter Ascent.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on January 12, 2018, 05:11:16 AM
Everything; and I mean everything is tight for infant seats.
Get a Maybach.
Quote from: Submariner on January 12, 2018, 09:55:33 AM
Get a Maybach.
The perfect car for a young family that just happens to have titles like Lord and Lady.
Quote from: 2o6 on January 12, 2018, 08:02:38 AM
Only complaint I could see is that the Outback feels like a raised station wagon (cuz it is).
I think a more blocky SUV styled 2-row thing wouldn't be a bad idea. Like a shorter Ascent.
Naw man you're crazy this is always a bad idea
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 08, 2018, 07:39:07 AM
No, those are too small. I am thinking something sized like an Edge or Murano. Compact crossovers are tight for infant seats. Ours is a midsize and our smallish child seat just barely fits behind my wife.
CRV!
Quote from: Lebowski on January 13, 2018, 10:23:22 AM
CRV!
Honda's supposed to introduce a car bigger than the CR-V, and smaller than the Pilot
HUH. LIKE A MIDSIZE 2 ROW CROSSOVER? WHAT A TERRIBLE IDEA.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 13, 2018, 11:24:57 PM
HUH. LIKE A MIDSIZE 2 ROW CROSSOVER? WHAT A TERRIBLE IDEA.
A compact sedan would have way more usable space.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on January 13, 2018, 11:24:57 PM
HUH. LIKE A MIDSIZE 2 ROW CROSSOVER? WHAT A TERRIBLE IDEA.
So you think Subaru should have two midsize two-row crossovers? Outback plus a second one? To capture the important market niche of "wants smaller than Ascent but hates Outback because reasons"?
Maybe it should also offer a longer, taller, three-row version of the Outback in case someone doesn't like the Ascent. Gotta cover all the bases. Oh, and there needs to be an SUV coupe version, too.
Quote from: ifcar on January 16, 2018, 11:37:11 PM
Oh, and there needs to be an SUV coupe version, too.
You're onto something there.
Quote from: ifcar on January 16, 2018, 11:37:11 PM
So you think Subaru should have two midsize two-row crossovers? Outback plus a second one? To capture the important market niche of "wants smaller than Ascent but hates Outback because reasons"?
Maybe it should also offer a longer, taller, three-row version of the Outback in case someone doesn't like the Ascent. Gotta cover all the bases. Oh, and there needs to be an SUV coupe version, too.
(http://www.subarucolors.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/2004-Subaru-Outback-Limited-Sedan-3.jpg)
Ahead of it's time
A lot of people see the Outback as a station wagon, not an SUV.