Ok, this is right now 99% fantasy, 1% a real possibility.
A couple of weeks ago my Porsche sales guy contacted me about a 911 Carrera T allocation. I've been mulling it over. I may have lost the allocation already but not sure.
In any case, no way I can do this and hold on to all the Ms. What would you sell to get this?
This is my desired config: http://cc.porsche.com/icc_euro/ccCall.do?userID=PLM&lang=mx&PARAM=parameter_internet_mx&hookURL=https://www.porsche.com/latin-america-es/modelstart/all/default.ashx&webcode=PJ7MS9W6
Please keep it fair to the Porsche by not bringing up the obvious CR-V choice for a couple of pages.
I thought you said there was no way you could hold on to the Ms, as in "misses", like you were getting rid of Monica for a 911 :lol:
You would pick yellow? Wow, that's bright.
I would dump the Mini, E46, and E60 honestly. Keep the 1M because it's something unique, the X5, fill your daily with something more reasonable than the E60, and the 911.
I would lease it because we will be having this conversation again no later than 12 months from now
Quote from: MrH on February 19, 2018, 02:30:45 PM
I thought you said there was no way you could hold on to the Ms, as in "misses", like you were getting rid of Monica for a 911 :lol:
Good one. :lol:
E60 and MINI are pretty much obvious sells. Monika can daily the X5. The E46 is dearer to my heart, but could go. And the 1M I also like a lot and it does not depreciate.
I would like to get out of the GT4 3 way deal as well. The 911T would be much more enjoyable day to day and pretty much deliver the same performance at the track.
Re: color. I am torn between yellow and red.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 19, 2018, 02:33:32 PM
I would lease it because we will be having this conversation again no later than 12 months from now
Really? I haven't sold a car in 4 years or so. I constantly fantasize and start pointless threads like this one, but on actual car trading you have me beat. The last car I got rid of was the E90 when I got the M5 a few years ago. (Cars I get for Monika don't count).
Quote from: MrH on February 19, 2018, 02:30:45 PM
I thought you said there was no way you could hold on to the Ms, as in "misses", like you were getting rid of Monica for a 911 :lol:
You would pick yellow? Wow, that's bright.
I would dump the Mini, E46, and E60 honestly. Keep the 1M because it's something unique, the X5, fill your daily with something more reasonable than the E60, and the 911.
I agree with this. Also, while I'm happy to see the word "manual", yellow has to be the one colour that doesn't work for a 911, IMHO. The exception might be the darker hued RUF "Yellow Bird".
Logically, the 911 fills the same niche as the E46 M3. Would make sense to sell that one.
Sell the X5. The kid is what like a year old it doesn't have a job and can stay home all day.
I would get out of the GT4 first. Not sure if that means selling your stake to your partners or selling the car outright, but no reason to have that and the 911 IMO. I would keep the 1M and X5. The E46, E60 (M5?), and Mini are all easily replaced by the X5 (X7 in the near future?).
Sell the X5, M5, and Mini
You're a homeowner now. You need a pickup. ¿Me entiende? :lol:
Quote from: 68_427 on February 19, 2018, 03:13:50 PM
Sell the X5. The kid is what like a year old it doesn't have a job and can stay home all day.
Quote from: CaminoRacer on February 19, 2018, 04:02:31 PM
Sell the X5, M5, and Mini
X5 is untouchable. I want to stay married.
Quote from: shp4man on February 19, 2018, 04:24:58 PM
You're a homeowner now. You need a pickup. ¿Me entiende? :lol:
Can't see a use for it.
I'm not sure I would really stress out about a 911T. So much emphasis and price being placed on so little weight loss. Nobody is going to really tell the difference between that or a similarly optioned Carerra... and it's not like the Carerra or Cararra S is really lacking in any specific area.
Well the E46 and 1M are gaining value so it seems weird to ditch them unless absolutely needed. I assume the same can be said of the GT4.
E60 will have terrible resale value that continues to get worse. As does the Mini. Probably can't get rid of both without replacing it with some kind of family vehicle... But you sort of desire something perhaps bigger.
So ditch the e60 and mini, buy regular 911 + family mobile
Quote from: MrH on February 19, 2018, 02:30:45 PM
I thought you said there was no way you could hold on to the Ms, as in "misses", like you were getting rid of Monica for a 911 :lol:
So did I. I thought, "... Well, I guess the man's got his priorities..."
Quote from: r0tor on February 19, 2018, 05:48:36 PM
I'm not sure I would really stress out about a 911T. So much emphasis and price being placed on so little weight loss. Nobody is going to really tell the difference between that or a similarly optioned Carerra... and it's not like the Carerra or Cararra S is really lacking in any specific area.
Thing is the T is priced at a very attractive level in Mexico. Compare to this sparely optioned base Carrera: http://cc.porsche.com/PorscheCodeService/pcsdispatcher?hookURL=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.porsche.com%2Fusa%2Fmodelstart%2Fall%2Fdefault.ashx&webcode=PJ6AZXM8
It's the same price! The T will have better resale and the cool factor (albeit slight) over the base of being rarer.
I'd sell the 1M, Mini, and M5.
Keep the E46 M3 and the porsche
What about a used 991.2? Then sell everything but the X5, MINI and GT4 stake. You can definitely DD a C2
Invest in a real Porsche. The icing on the cake is you shouldn't lose money with depreciation.
(http://www.driversgeneration.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Porsche-911-993.jpg)
...unless you back it into a ditch.
Why would you consider selling any of them? Keep them all and get the 911, leverage is your friend.
Quote from: Lebowski on February 20, 2018, 07:22:55 AM
Why would you consider selling any of them? Keep them all and get the 911, leverage is your friend.
(https://imgflip.com/s/meme/Roll-Safe-Think-About-It.jpg)
I'd sell the E60, the Mini, not buy the 911, and buy out the other shares of the Cayman GT4.
The 911 will be a much better daily driver than the GT4.
Quote from: Raza on February 20, 2018, 07:55:33 AM
I'd sell the E60, the Mini, not buy the 911, and buy out the other shares of the Cayman GT4.
I like this
Get rid of the wife and kids.
Quote from: 68_427 on February 20, 2018, 10:21:34 AM
The 911 will be a much better daily driver than the GT4.
This. The GT4 is parked a lot. It sure is nice at the track.
I imagine when you have 6 cars, some will inevitably be parked a lot :nutty:
The 911 will absolutely monster it in a straight line as well. Good for those highways blasts
Get rid of the M3, GT4 and Mini and get a 911.
Quote from: Lebowski on February 20, 2018, 10:59:18 AM
I imagine when you have 6 cars, some will inevitably be parked a lot :nutty:
There's too much parked. All the others I and/or Monika use at least once a week. With the GT4 months can go by. It doesn't help that it has to stay mostly parked far away in Mexico City because of my partners. I like the GT4 but I don't love it. Partly because it isn't mine.
Quote from: 68_427 on February 20, 2018, 03:18:31 PM
The 911 will absolutely monster it in a straight line as well. Good for those highways blasts
Yeah. At the track at our altitudes I am pretty sure it will at least match it. With equivalent tires only probably beat it. All that with far more daily usability including taking the little kids in the back.
Quote from: Lebowski on February 20, 2018, 07:22:55 AM
Why would you consider selling any of them? Keep them all and get the 911, leverage is your friend.
Cash for the toys. Leverage for appreciating assets.
Quote from: 68_427 on February 20, 2018, 10:21:34 AM
The 911 will be a much better daily driver than the GT4.
Why does that matter when he has the 1M to drive daily?
911T > 1M as well.
Quote from: 68_427 on February 20, 2018, 06:25:05 PM
911T > 1M as well.
Certainly not as a daily driver. Or something he can stick the kids into in a pinch.
911T is pointless
Reminds me of the chowderheads who would take the power steering and air conditioning out of their Accords. No you don't have a race car now, just an uncomfortable family sedan.
C2 with smartly chosen options is
- faster and more practical than GT4 at sea level or up high, and more accessible (it would be 3/3 yours)
- faster & (IMO) better looking than 1M
- more reliable than E60 M5 (look up rod S65/85 rod bearing fun)
- sportier + faster than bone stock E46 M3
I imagine you have a caretaker for the kids + wifey stays home? So you probably won't need a rear facing infant seat in your car, and the 1M/E46 would be a PITA to load into anyway. X5 + 911 + used 740i (look up N63 reliability issues) would be a solid garage
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 21, 2018, 05:52:26 AM
911T is pointless
Reminds me of the chowderheads who would take the power steering and air conditioning out of their Accords. No you don't have a race car now, just an uncomfortable family sedan.
Not the same thing. The 911T just adds performance options you can't even get on the C2. You lose hardly any luxury besides thinner rear glass and the cloth door pulls, but you can get rear wheel steering, it has a shorter final drive, pasm, sport Chrono etc
Quote from: 68_427 on February 21, 2018, 08:23:23 AM
Not the same thing. The 911T just adds performance options you can't even get on the C2. You lose hardly any luxury besides thinner rear glass and the cloth door pulls, but you can get rear wheel steering, it has a shorter final drive, pasm, sport Chrono etc
This is just him coming to terms with his young, ricer self. Its a process.
Joking aside, if I were in your shoes and you can afford it I think it makes sense to get the 911. But in doing so I would meaningfully shrink/streamline your fleet. Sharing a car with "partners" sounds miserable, as does not being able to keep/store the car at my own place. So I'd get out of the GT4 if you can.
Taking the cars in your sig:
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'05 M3 E46 6SPD Mystic Blue
'08 M5 E60 SMG Space Grey
'11 1M E82 6SPD Sapphire Black
'16 GT4 (1/3rd Share lol)
'16 X5 5.0i (Wife)
'14 MINI Cooper Countryman S Automatic (For Sale)
I'd get the 911 and:
- Keep the X5 (wife car, no reason to change until she comes to realize the CRV is better)
- Sell the mini
- Get out of the GT4. Don't share a car again.
- Of the three M cars, I would either a) pick a favorite and sell the other two, or b) sell all three and replace with a single reasonable / practical / reliable daily driver or alternative when you need more space than the 911 has (if you're going to daily drive the 911).
ha made it off the first page without mentioning CRV. :lol:
Me personally knowing virtually nothing about most of your cars:
Sell E46, sell E60, sell Mini.
Keep GT4 for track funz
Keep 1M for daily drive
Keep X5 (happy wife)
Buy the 911 just because. :huh:
But until I get more motivated to go out and kill it like you are, I'm paying child support, saving for retirement, keeping Odyssey and Impreza, and next year either getting newer Oddysey or a cheap Miata.
Yeah, get out of the GT4 threesome. I myself can't see having any emotional attachment to a car (or woman) I'm sharing with 2 other guys.
Quote from: Rockraven on February 19, 2018, 02:43:27 PM
Also, while I'm happy to see the word "manual", yellow has to be the one colour that doesn't work for a 911, IMHO. The exception might be the darker hued RUF "Yellow Bird".
Personally I think the 911 works with snappy colors. This yellow, and miami blue look awesome imo.
The E60 is the front runner to go. I like it a lot but in that car's case it's true that it is a ticking time bomb. Locally in Leon I doubt that I can find someone to fix it if it breaks (except the dealer at top dollar). It has 72,000 km which is still low but rod bearings have to be replaced preemptively at 100,000km at the latest and who knows when that SMG is going to start playing up again.
The MINI is next because it is redundant with the X5.
The E46 would be the next choice for similar, but less dramatic reasons than the E60. It needs a cooling system overhaul already. The difference with the E60 is that it is a goddam blast to drive around on public roads. The sound, throttle response, and handling are great for sporty driving in regular roads. I am also more attached to it since it was my first really good car that I bought new. They are also much rarer here than in the US and it is appreciating.
The 1M is a collectible. It also is a blast to drive and is appreciating.
A less radical option is to simply get a 997 911 and just sell the E60. That's a much smaller expense. I'll later post some options.
And finally, to getting out of the GT4: definitely. Sharing experiment over. But that will take some careful negotiating and it is not worth a fight of any kind to get out, so not sure it can be done.
Is the 1M more of a collectible than the E46?
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on February 21, 2018, 10:17:14 AM
And finally, to getting out of the GT4: definitely. Sharing experiment over. But that will take some careful negotiating and it is not worth a fight of any kind to get out, so not sure it can be done.
You guys didn't plan for this possibility at the outset?
Quote from: CaminoRacer on February 21, 2018, 10:18:26 AM
Is the 1M more of a collectible than the E46?
Yeah. Much, much more limited production worldwide. Like less than 4,000 units vs several tens of thousands. Locally the E46 is rare and becoming rarer because most have been abused/crashed/run into the ground. But still the 1M is rarer. I think less than 70 in all Mexico.
The Carrera T I guess would be also somewhat collectible. Not like the GT cars by any means but better than all "normal" Carreras.
I think the T will follow the regular 911 depreciation curve
Used + loaded 991.2 C2S is the best 991. 997 will wheeze at altitude
Quote from: Rockraven on February 21, 2018, 10:22:13 AM
You guys didn't plan for this possibility at the outset?
No. Mistake, but small one. I am entwined with my partner in things several orders of magnitude more complex than this. He is a great partner. Part of the problem is me moving to Leon but mostly that I have lost quite a bit of interest in trackdays. With fatherhood my priorities have changed, willingly. The GT4 is a very bad car to use in Mexico for anything other than the track. Suspension is too rough, the car is too exotic looking. Even just driving it to Leon so that I can park it here isn't that nice (I've had it here for a few weeks a couple of times). If I was interested in impressing 20 year old girls, maybe. But even that probably wouldn't work on millenials.
So, a decision I made in a different time of life, with different priorities. Fortunately it isn't that expensive. But if I can, I'll get out.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 21, 2018, 10:27:46 AM
I think the T will follow the regular 911 depreciation curve
Used + loaded 991.2 C2S is the best 991. 997 will wheeze at altitude
No. 991.2 C2S hasn't depreciated almost anything. I'd rather get the T for the same money new and specced to my liking.
And a 997S doesn't wheeze. It's powerful and light enough to handle the altitude. They are faster than my 1M at the track.
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on February 21, 2018, 10:29:21 AM
No. Mistake, but small one. I am entwined with my partner in things several orders of magnitude more complex than this. He is a great partner. Part of the problem is me moving to Leon but mostly that I have lost quite a bit of interest in trackdays. With fatherhood my priorities have changed, willingly. The GT4 is a very bad car to use in Mexico for anything other than the track. Suspension is too rough, the car is too exotic looking. Even just driving it to Leon so that I can park it here isn't that nice (I've had it here for a few weeks a couple of times). If I was interested in impressing 20 year old girls, maybe. But even that probably wouldn't work on millenials.
So, a decision I made in a different time of life, with different priorities. Fortunately it isn't that expensive. But if I can, I'll get out.
What if one of you got hit by a bus?
Quote from: Rockraven on February 21, 2018, 11:08:57 AM
What if one of you got hit by a bus?
Rolled off a cliff while miraculously jumping off before it goes over? :hmm:
The question is not what should you sell, the question is what should you get.
The answer is...
(http://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/foundry/image/?q=70&w=1440&url=https%3A%2F%2Ftimedotcom.files.wordpress.com%2F2017%2F10%2Fhonda-cr-v.jpg%3Fquality%3D85)
Quote from: cawimmer430 on February 23, 2018, 02:37:25 PM
The question is not what should you sell, the question is what should you get.
The answer is...
(http://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/foundry/image/?q=70&w=1440&url=https%3A%2F%2Ftimedotcom.files.wordpress.com%2F2017%2F10%2Fhonda-cr-v.jpg%3Fquality%3D85)
That's a boring red. I know boring sells but such a sweet ride deserves something bold.
Quote from: Raza on February 20, 2018, 06:02:23 PM
Why does that matter when he has will have the 1M CRV to drive daily?
A few interesting choices at savings of 30-60% of a new Carrera T:
https://auto.mercadolibre.com.mx/MLM-610405199-porsche-911-carrera-s-2011-_JM
https://auto.mercadolibre.com.mx/MLM-612069443-porsche-911-carrera-4s-2006-_JM
https://auto.mercadolibre.com.mx/MLM-615297060-porsche-911-30-carrera-coupe-mt-_JM
https://auto.mercadolibre.com.mx/MLM-609285994-porsche-911-carrera-gts-carrera-coupe-_JM
https://auto.mercadolibre.com.mx/MLM-613492236-porsche-911-4s-_JM
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on February 26, 2018, 05:34:05 PM
A few interesting choices at savings of 30-60% of a new Carrera T:
https://auto.mercadolibre.com.mx/MLM-610405199-porsche-911-carrera-s-2011-_JM
https://auto.mercadolibre.com.mx/MLM-612069443-porsche-911-carrera-4s-2006-_JM
https://auto.mercadolibre.com.mx/MLM-615297060-porsche-911-30-carrera-coupe-mt-_JM
https://auto.mercadolibre.com.mx/MLM-609285994-porsche-911-carrera-gts-carrera-coupe-_JM
https://auto.mercadolibre.com.mx/MLM-613492236-porsche-911-4s-_JM
First one.
Got an email from the P-car dealer today.
They have a white 911 Carrera T available for 1'844,000 pesos (90K at today's exchange rate). It has only few and the right options mostly: Bose sound, sport chrono, rear park assist, Carrera T interior in contrasting yellow. Manuel of course!
I had moved this to the "didn´t happen" column. Tempting again. Reasonable ways economically are these:
- Sell 1M, get T
- Sell E60M5 + MINI + E46, Get Hilux, T
Keep the financial advice to a minimum. Thoughts?
Why would you say to keep finanical advice to a minimum? Now that is going to be the pivot point of the whole discussion :lol:
Personally, I think I could drive a 991.2 C2 for the rest of my life. You still have the X5 right? I would sell everything- 1M, M5, MINI, E46- and get the T, along with a stout track day policy (****). Maybe keep the M3 to retain your BMW Club membership, but beyond that I would sell the farm for a damn 991.2 if it made sense financially. Having a bunch of cars is a PITA in my experience anyway and if there's any car that can do it all it's the 991.2.
Sell the E60, Mini, and E46, put all the money into a mutual fund, never do anything fun, don't enjoy yourself, live like a monk, and hope that you can retire one day earlier than you would have.
Sell the M5 and Mini if you buy the 911 or not.
I haven't driven a 1M so I'm not sure if I'd rather keep that or the E46 M3. Or if I'd rather have both over a 911 T. Tough choice.
I haven't driven a 1M either, but I've driven a heavily modified 135i. If it's even remotely the same experience, I'd drop it in a heart beat for a 911.
I'd get out of GT4, Mini, E46, E60, and 1M, keep the X5 for the wife, get a boring 528i for the daily grind, get the 911. Truck if you have money left over and feel like it, but I'd probably pass.
Yea depending on your ownership horizon for the 991.2 getting a daily grind anode makes sense.
I don't understand why something would go from "didn't happen" to considering based on an email from the dealer ... ie, why is the salesman driving your decision process?
If you did get one I'd say sell everything in the existing fleet, get the wife something intelligent like a CRV, tell the butler to buy his own car, and daily drive the 911.
Quote from: Lebowski on June 06, 2018, 11:12:51 AM
I don't understand why something would go from "didn't happen" to considering based on an email from the dealer ... ie, why is the salesman driving your decision process?
If you did get one I'd say sell everything in the existing fleet, get the wife something intelligent like a CRV, tell the butler to buy his own car, and daily drive the 911.
I hate that you're right. That's what salesmen get paid for, however.
911T+1M+X5+Hilux seems to me a great complete garage. But I am not sure I "deserve" a 911 yet. Company is doing well, but as always there is risk and the 911 down here is kind of an exotic, I've made it made it car in whatever flavor. In the US it is a more of a (admittedly high end) daily driver.
Re salesmen, i view car salesmen as an annoying middleman that I'm forced to go through because car cos don't sell direct. A car salesman should never have sway over your purchase decision IMO.
I was half joking about the CRV comment if that wasn't clear. If a 911 is too flashy to daily drive, what about daily drive something like a Tacoma (super low key, at least here), keep X5 for wife, get the 911 and sell everything else?
Quote from: Lebowski on June 06, 2018, 02:17:47 PM
Re salesmen, i view car salesmen as an annoying middleman that I'm forced to go through because car cos don't sell direct. A car salesman should never have sway over your purchase decision IMO.
I was half joking about the CRV comment if that wasn't clear. If a 911 is too flashy to daily drive, what about daily drive something like a Tacoma (super low key, at least here), keep X5 for wife, get the 911 and sell everything else?
Or maybe.....even a 4Runner?! *dun dun DUN*
I figured Héctor would insist on having a BMW, that's why I suggested something like a 530i for daily driving and the 911 for fun. Makes a lot more sense than keeping 6 cars and buying a 7th for the butler.
Quote from: MrH on June 06, 2018, 04:59:10 PM
Or maybe.....even a 4Runner?! *dun dun DUN*
I figured Héctor would insist on having a BMW, that's why I suggested something like a 530i for daily driving and the 911 for fun. Makes a lot more sense than keeping 6 cars and buying a 7th for the butler.
4runner not sold here weirdly. Tacoma yes.
Fortuner is cooler anyways IMO.