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QuoteALL-NEW GLOBAL FOCUS IS THE MOST INNOVATIVE, SPACIOUS, CONNECTED AND FUN-TO-DRIVE FOCUS EVER
All-new global Ford Focus is the culmination of research with Focus customers around the world and human-centered design processes to understand and satisfy their unique needs around the world. This is why the all-new Focus features:
--Innovative Technologies: High-speed internet connectivity, all-new Ford CoPilot360™ – a suite of advanced driver assist features to help drivers move more safely, confidently and freely – available wireless charging for mobile devices and more
--More Comfort and Space: Available sedan, estate/wagon and hatchback styles with a more inviting and accommodating interior and more passenger space than ever
--Better Driving Experience: More fun to drive, thanks to an all-new suspension, all-new gasoline, EcoBoost gasoline and EcoBlue diesel engines and a fast-shifting all-new 8-speed transmission
Focus signals the future of the company's Product Development process and global Ford vehicles – flexible enough to be sold around the world and win in each market, with tailored lineups including multiple body styles, new models and engines – while still maintaining highly efficient common architectures and modules
The all-new Focus goes on sale in Europe and China this year and North America in 2019
DEARBORN, Mich., April 10, 2018 – Ford today introduces the all-new Focus car for global customers, featuring the latest advanced and affordable technology with more comfort and space and a better fun-to-drive experience.
Redesigned from the wheels up after hundreds of hours studying and speaking with Focus customers around the world, the next-generation Focus will be tailored to each global region, even as the company becomes more efficient.
"We're evolving our successful One Ford strategy to find new ways to create a sporty-looking small car our customers will love," said Jim Farley, president of Global Markets. "We'll tailor which cars in the Focus line-up we offer in markets around the world to ensure we best meet customers' different needs and preferences."
The all-new Focus features 4-door sedan, 5-door estate/wagon and 5-door hatchback body styles, depending on the market. Today, Ford is revealing the luxurious Focus Vignale, sporty ST-Line, adventure-oriented Active and upscale Titanium in Europe and ST-Line and Titanium in China. Ford will introduce Focus in North America closer to its on-sale date next year.
Focus Signals Future of Ford Vehicles
The all-new Focus is one of the first vehicles delivered using Ford's revamped product development process, which uses human-centered design to better deliver the models, features and technologies customers around the world truly value.
For the next-generation Focus, that means:
A longer hood with cab-rearward interior that provides a strong, reassuring on-road presence. While it looks bigger than the previous Focus, its overall dimensions are unchanged so it's still easy to move about urban environments
More interior space for all passengers, so it's easier to get in and out of the car, and more cargo area in larger global Focus models
Advanced design with aerodynamics that look modern while helping to improve efficiency
In addition, human-centered design allows each market to tailor their Focus line-up, creating new models targeted to specific customer groups, such as the new sport ST-Line or adventure-focused Active models for the new Focus.
Through the use of globally common but flexible architectures and modules, Ford is able to deliver visually differentiated Focus variants to appeal to diverse customer needs while maintaining a high level of commonality and low complexity.
Even as Ford finds ways to deliver new and additional Focus variants – which for many markets will bring a richer mix of Focus models – the company is working to reduce complexity and improve quality.
Ford has reduced the number of orderable configurations by as much as 92 percent versus the previous Focus, reducing from up to 360 configurations to as few as 26, depending on the global market. This complexity reduction helps Ford lower and control costs while ensuring Focus customers can more easily and quickly find the model that meets their needs.
While it starts with Focus, this approach will further strengthen with future Ford vehicles as the company moves from individual vehicle platforms to all-new flexible vehicle architectures paired with modular "families," streamlining common components such as engines, electrical systems and high-end features, such as sunroofs.
Innovative Technologies
For customers around the world, the all-new Focus majors in advanced and innovative technology that keeps customers connected and safely on the road.
The all-new Ford Focus debuts Ford Co-Pilot360™, a suite of advanced driver assist technologies to help drivers move more safely, confidently and freely.
Available technologies, which will vary by region, include:
Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) enhanced with Stop & Go, Speed Sign Recognition and Lane-Centering for effortlessly negotiating stop-start traffic
Ford's Adaptive Front Lighting System with new camera-based predictive curve light and Sign-based light that pre-adjust headlamp patterns for improved visibility by monitoring bends in the road and – for the first time in the industry – road signs
A new version of Active Park Assist that now also operates gear selection, acceleration and braking to enable fully automated maneuvers at the push of a button
Evasive Steering Assist, a segment-first technology that helps drivers steer around stopped or slower vehicles to help avoid collisions
As part of Ford's vision to deliver smart vehicles for a smart world, 90 percent of its new global vehicles will be equipped with internet connectivity by 2020. This includes the new Focus, which will come with FordPass Connect embedded modem technology. This allows Ford customers to turn the vehicle into a mobile WiFi hotspot with connectivity for up to 10 devices.
In addition to helping drivers plan faster, less stressful journeys with Live Traffic updates for the navigation system and enabling occupants to stream entertainment on the move, FordPass Connect allows a range of convenient features via the FordPass mobile app, including:
Vehicle Locator, helping owners find their car in sprawling shopping mall car parks
Vehicle Status, for checking fuel levels, alarm status, oil life and more
Door Lock Unlock, to remotely allow access to your Focus
Remote Start
A new available wireless charging pad beneath the instrument panel enables passengers to easily charge compatible smartphones and mobile devices. Devices can remain connected via Bluetooth to Ford's SYNC 3 communications and entertainment system while using wireless charging.
SYNC 3 also is available with a 203 millimeter (8-inch) color touchscreen that can be operated using pinch and swipe gestures and is compatible with Apple CarPlay and Android Auto™. SYNC 3 also allows drivers to control audio, navigation and climate functions plus connected smartphones using simple voice commands.
More Comfort and Space
Focus' interior comfort is more refined and upscale. Even the instrument panel positioning is optimized for getting in and out of the car. An electric parking brake and rotary gear shift dial frees up space and provide easier access to bins and cup holders for the driver and front passenger. A narrower center console – enabled by relocating switches and controls to the touchscreen – features soft knee pads for more comfort.
Additional space is delivered for backseat passengers by extending the wheelbase and flat floor. Shoulder-room increases by nearly 61 millimeters (2.4 inches) and knee clearance and legroom grows by nearly 51 millimeters (2 inches) and 71 millimeters (2.8 inches), respectively.
The heating and air-conditioning system heats and cools the cabin faster and more quietly.
Special attention was paid even to the shape of the sideview door mirrors, which were designed to help reduce that air throbbing effect that can occur when one window is lowered at speed.
The Focus team also thought about pet friendliness. For wagon customers, rear cargo space is designed to comfortably accommodate large pet carriers, with up to 1,650-liters / 58 cubic-feet of cargo volume behind the front seats when the rear seats are folded. There's even an available "Easy Fold Seat" feature to quickly lower the seats with the pull of a lever.
Ford's Hands-free liftgate technology allows access to the wagon cargo space with a simple kicking motion under the rear bumper. Also, the cargo cover now fits neatly beneath the new flexible load floor when not needed.
Better Driving Experience
The all-new Focus remains true to its 20-year legacy of class-leading driving dynamics. It's more fun-to-drive with improved refinement, thanks to an all-new chassis and suspension with a 20 percent improvement in torsional rigidity for better body control. An all-new Electric Power Assisted Steering (EPAS) system provides more responsive, intuitive and engaging steering feel.
All-new Focus offers standard Drive Mode Technology – including Normal, Sport and Eco modes – for the first time, enabling drivers to adjust engine and transmission response, steering feel and Adaptive Cruise Control to match the driving situation from sporty to efficiency-minded.
In China, the all-new Focus offers a range of advanced gasoline engines, including the award-winning 1.0-liter EcoBoost engine, plus an all-new 1.5-liter EcoBoost engine optimized for high torque at low rpm. In Europe, Focus brings two additional options: a 1.5-liter EcoBoost gasoline and 2.0-liter EcoBlue diesel. North American powertrain options will be announced closer to launch.
Ford's new optional quick-shifting 8-speed automatic transmission is engineered to further optimize fuel-efficiency and deliver responsive performance. Features include:
Adaptive Shift Scheduling, which assesses individual driving styles to optimize gearshift timings for a more stable, engaging and refined driving experience
Adaptive Shift Quality Control, which assesses vehicle and environmental information to help adjust clutch pressures for consistently smooth gearshifts
The all-new Focus goes on sale in Europe and China this year and North America in the second half of 2019.
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Looks like a Kia
Kind of awkward looking
Buy an a pillar blind spot and get a new car free.
Looks cheap.
I also see why Ford would consider dumping the Fusion. The wagon looks bigger than a 2000 Accord.
Great job on the redesign, and looks like they addressed the major gripes with the current generation. I guess the sedan will be released at a later date?
Looks good IMHO.
This vehicle is made in China. The new Ecosport is made in India. They aren't really Fords. :pee:
Quote from: Rockraven on April 10, 2018, 06:53:43 AM
The general shape is Mazda3.
I think they moved production to China so they could clone a Mazda 3
Lol, how did this happen on Trump's watch? He made such a deal over Ford abandoning the new Mexico plant, yet this is the first I'm hearing that Focus production has moved to China. Ford must be nervous with the latest trade rhetoric. Any significant tariff would kill it for the US.
Quote from: shp4man on April 10, 2018, 07:37:23 AM
This vehicle is made in China. The new Ecosport is made in India. They aren't really Fords. :pee:
Does that mean my Tacoma isn't really a Toyota because it was built in the USA? :confused:
Quote from: Rockraven on April 10, 2018, 08:31:32 AM
Lol, how did this happen on Trump's watch? He made such a deal over Ford abandoning the new Mexico plant, yet this is the first I'm hearing that Focus production has moved to China. Ford must be nervous with the latest trade rhetoric. Any significant tariff would kill it for the US.
I feel like this was reported on a year ago. Trump made a big deal about Ford deciding not to do a big investment in their Mexico plant and everyone assumed it was because they were going to move production to the US (because an investment in a US plant was announced at roughly the same time), but then a little later Ford announced it was actually moving the Focus production to China.
Honestly, all the current Focus needs is this new car's interior and transmission to stay relevant. Also, I didn't see it specifically mentioned but is the sporty "ST-line" just the 1.5L Ecoboost engine and a body kit? If true kind of a disappointment.
Quote from: shp4man on April 10, 2018, 07:37:23 AM
This vehicle is made in China. The new Ecosport is made in India. They aren't really Fords. :pee:
It is also still made in Germany.
The Focus has in effect been relegated to the same pariah/orphan child status as the Villager van, Probe, Aspire and XR4TI. Ford is just a resale agency.
I think this Chinese production deal was formulated way before Trump was elected. Ford execs are no doubt marshaling multiple high dollar lobbyists in an attempt to make it all better. I still think most Americans may not want a Chinese built car.
Quote from: Xer0 on April 10, 2018, 09:18:46 AM
Honestly, all the current Focus needs is this new car's interior and transmission to stay relevant. Also, I didn't see it specifically mentioned but is the sporty "ST-line" just the 1.5L Ecoboost engine and a body kit? If true kind of a disappointment.
I agree... Although I think exterior styling has degraded over the update cycle.
The wife's focus isn't a bad car in most respects... We do have to dump it within 1-2 years though because I completely do not trust owning it after the extended warranty on the DCT is over
Quote from: shp4man on April 10, 2018, 09:27:07 AM
I think this Chinese production deal was formulated way before Trump was elected. Ford execs are no doubt marshaling multiple high dollar lobbyists in an attempt to make it all better. I still think most Americans may not want a Chinese built car.
I honestly doubt econo car buyers in America care much about where their vehicle is made. If the price to feature to quality ratio is satisfactory, people will buy it. And most econocars are built in foreign locales, many with cheap labor (Asia, Eastern Europe, South/Central America). I honestly think truck buyers are probably the only segment with a significant contingent of buyers who really care about US/American made. And then, I suspect it's a large minority.
Quote from: r0tor on April 10, 2018, 10:00:51 AM
I agree... Although I think exterior styling has degraded over the update cycle.
The wife's focus isn't a bad car in most respects... We do have to dump it within 1-2 years though because I completely do not trust owning it after the extended warranty on the DCT is over
The Focus transmission will keep juddering on takeoff and making clicking noises for 160,000 miles. At least. :lol:
Quote from: MX793 on April 10, 2018, 10:04:34 AM
I honestly doubt econo car buyers in America care much about where their vehicle is made. If the price to feature to quality ratio is satisfactory, people will buy it. And most econocars are built in foreign locales, many with cheap labor (Asia, Eastern Europe, South/Central America). I honestly think truck buyers are probably the only segment with a significant contingent of buyers who really care about US/American made. And then, I suspect it's a large minority.
To quote President Bush, I think you may be "misunderestimating" the effect cheap defective Chinese products have had on American's perception of quality. But then again, common sense isn't as widespread as it once was.
You are no doubt familiar with the Chinese tendency to cut corners on supplied items to make Yankee dollars.
Quote from: r0tor on April 10, 2018, 10:00:51 AM
I agree... Although I think exterior styling has degraded over the update cycle.
The wife's focus isn't a bad car in most respects... We do have to dump it within 1-2 years though because I completely do not trust owning it after the extended warranty on the DCT is over
Make sure you get it done before the warranty is up. Got mine done a few months ago... new clutch, TCM and re-map. My '13 drives better than new.
Quote from: shp4man on April 10, 2018, 10:11:06 AM
To quote President Bush, I think you may be "misunderestimating" the effect cheap defective Chinese products have had on American's perception of quality. But then again, common sense isn't as widespread as it once was.
You are no doubt familiar with the Chinese tendency to cut corners on supplied items to make Yankee dollars.
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Quote from: shp4man on April 10, 2018, 10:11:06 AM
You are no doubt familiar with the Chinese tendency to cut corners on supplied items to make Yankee dollars.
It is not really a chinese tendency. They are only being paid to cut corners.
Quote from: shp4man on April 10, 2018, 07:37:23 AM
This vehicle is made in China. The new Ecosport is made in India. They aren't really Fords. :pee:
If you want to "buy American", you can't do better than a Camry.
http://fortune.com/2015/06/29/cars-made-in-america/
Less distinct than models past, but still good.
Quote from: Xer0 on April 10, 2018, 09:18:46 AM
Honestly, all the current Focus needs is this new car's interior and transmission to stay relevant. Also, I didn't see it specifically mentioned but is the sporty "ST-line" just the 1.5L Ecoboost engine and a body kit? If true kind of a disappointment.
Yes it's just an appearance package and maybe a couple other things VW r line, Chevy rs, Audi s line etc.
The full ST model is completely different
Also the sedan is even more generic than the hatch. I'd post pics but this site is being a dick on mobile this morning
Quote from: 68_427 on April 10, 2018, 10:26:05 AM
Also the sedan is even more generic than the hatch. I'd post pics but this site is b
eing a dick on mobile this morning
Did ford release shots of it? I can't find them anywhere.
Quote from: shp4man on April 10, 2018, 09:27:07 AM
I think this Chinese production deal was formulated way before Trump was elected. Ford execs are no doubt marshaling multiple high dollar lobbyists in an attempt to make it all better. I still think most Americans may not want a Chinese built car.
Most Americans are fine with Chinese made everything else, including you. :ohyeah:
And you want to talk about the Chinese cutting corners, but are too pussy to acknowledge the shitshow the American car industry was basically until like 8 years ago. It took (more) govt bailouts and an existential crisis for them to finally get their shit together, just in time for everyone to stop caring.
Meanwhile the Japanese came over and literally beat Americans at the game
we created with
our own workers. Thanks largely in part to folks like you who believe in Reagan/Trump bedtime stories of America being unable to do any wrong, allowing big business to fool you again and again. We played ourselves and this is the result. You embody every misstep of the American worker over the last 50 years, you can't complain about where we are now.
Quote from: 2o6 on April 10, 2018, 10:28:14 AM
Did ford release shots of it? I can't find them anywhere.
Yes, it's huge
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Fears of the Fusion dying should be allayed, the Focus has usurped its position in Ford's lineup
Found em
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That right there is the biggest improvement. :golfclap:
It kind of looks Chinese :lol: From the grille back it could be anything
Really want to know what's happening with the ST.
Quote from: Rockraven on April 10, 2018, 10:19:43 AM
Make sure you get it done before the warranty is up. Got mine done a few months ago... new clutch, TCM and re-map. My '13 drives better than new.
Ours has been replaced 2x now and my in laws have one and they are on clutch pack #4 I believe.
So that's the sedan and not a Chinese clone? Good grief...
Quote from: shp4man on April 10, 2018, 10:11:06 AM
To quote President Bush, I think you may be "misunderestimating" the effect cheap defective Chinese products have had on American's perception of quality. But then again, common sense isn't as widespread as it once was.
You are no doubt familiar with the Chinese tendency to cut corners on supplied items to make Yankee dollars.
Shoddy, "American Made" products in the 70s and 80s and early 90s already warmed us up.
Given equal levels of design competency and quality control, there is no reason a product manufactured in China can't be every bit as good as one manufactured elsewhere. At least when we're talking about products using traditional manufacturing processes (forming, machining, molding, casting) that Chinese industry is familiar with. Most of the "crap" from China is not just poorly made, but is often poorly designed and if not that, there is poor QC in place that fails to prevent lower quality product from going out the door (or their tolerances for what is deemed "acceptable" are more lax). Lax QC standards aren't just limited to the Chinese. I've heard some stories from folks who worked in the automotive supply chain (drivetrain and transmission components were produced locally up until a few years ago) that Chrysler was far and away more willing to accept and use parts that were defective or not compliant to drawing as compared with GM or Ford. Not at all surprising considering the difference in quality ratings between Chrysler and the Big 2.
Quote from: 68_427 on April 10, 2018, 10:25:18 AM
Yes it's just an appearance package and maybe a couple other things VW r line, Chevy rs, Audi s line etc.
The full ST model is completely different
Thats good, I hope Ford keeps the ST line going and with the new Edge ST joining, sounds like they really want to expand it.
Quote from: MX793 on April 10, 2018, 02:45:58 PM
Shoddy, "American Made" products in the 70s and 80s and early 90s already warmed us up.
Given equal levels of design competency and quality control, there is no reason a product manufactured in China can't be every bit as good as one manufactured elsewhere. At least when we're talking about products using traditional manufacturing processes (forming, machining, molding, casting) that Chinese industry is familiar with. Most of the "crap" from China is not just poorly made, but is often poorly designed and if not that, there is poor QC in place that fails to prevent lower quality product from going out the door (or their tolerances for what is deemed "acceptable" are more lax). Lax QC standards aren't just limited to the Chinese. I've heard some stories from folks who worked in the automotive supply chain (drivetrain and transmission components were produced locally up until a few years ago) that Chrysler was far and away more willing to accept and use parts that were defective or not compliant to drawing as compared with GM or Ford. Not at all surprising considering the difference in quality ratings between Chrysler and the Big 2.
Sometimes, providing specifications on manufacturing to the Chinese just gets swept under the table. Example: The Chinese made flooring tiles with cancer causing flame retardant, and many more examples. They just don't care- they likely take great pleasure in taking advantage of Yankee greed.
Quote from: shp4man on April 10, 2018, 03:59:27 PM
Sometimes, providing specifications on manufacturing to the Chinese just gets swept under the table. Example: The Chinese made flooring tiles with cancer causing flame retardant, and many more examples. They just don't care- they likely take great pleasure in taking advantage of Yankee greed.
You know what prevents that? Hint... begins with an R, rhymes with vegulations.
Quote from: Rockraven on April 10, 2018, 04:22:59 PM
You know what prevents that? Hint... begins with an R, rhymes with vegulations.
There's always money to be made in the race to the bottom.
Don't deprive rich people of the chance to get more money!
Quote from: shp4man on April 10, 2018, 09:23:20 AM
The Focus has in effect been relegated to the same pariah/orphan child status as the Villager van, Probe, Aspire and XR4TI. Ford is just a resale agency.
That's just silly. This is one of their core products.
FYI:
- the Villager was designed in cooperation with Nissan, used a Ford-designed chassis and was made in a Ford plant in Ohio
- the Probe was designed in cooperation with Mazda, used a Ford-designed body and interior, used a Ford V6 in the first generation, and was built in a Ford-Mazda factory in Michigan
- the XR4Ti was a rebadged Ford Sierra from Europe; it was a Ford through and through
Quote from: shp4man on April 10, 2018, 03:59:27 PM
Sometimes, providing specifications on manufacturing to the Chinese just gets swept under the table. Example: The Chinese made flooring tiles with cancer causing flame retardant, and many more examples. They just don't care- they likely take great pleasure in taking advantage of Yankee greed.
So did you miss the part of my post when I said "given equal levels of design competency
and quality control"? Lack of QC oversight allows for the substitution of materials. I've seen American companies with shit QC turn out garbage every bit as bad as what you stereotype the Chinese as making. I'm in the midst of having to spec a new fuel sender and gauge for one of our products because the AMERICAN MADE product that was originally specified, supposedly built to a military standard, had a defective product rate of at least 10%. Senders not putting out the correct resistance, resulting in gauges reading and 1/8th tank or more when empty. Gauges that simply didn't work right out of the box. We sent back 5 pieces that we still had in stock that we identified as faulty and every one had a different thing wrong with it, but all of it could be traced to piss poor QC. Issues ranging from assemblers not tightening things right (too loose or too tight), inspectors/testers not checking parts or letting out-of-spec stuff out the door, and poor quality solder joints on wires. Company who sold them to us was like "meh, sometimes that sort of stuff happens". Showed zero interest in tightening their QC. This isn't high tech stuff that's hard to make right. Simple float-arm-type fuel sender with a rheostat, the same sort of thing you can find in a pre-WWII automobile.
Quote from: MX793 on April 10, 2018, 09:31:56 PM
So did you miss the part of my post when I said "given equal levels of design competency and quality control"? Lack of QC oversight allows for the substitution of materials. I've seen American companies with shit QC turn out garbage every bit as bad as what you stereotype the Chinese as making. I'm in the midst of having to spec a new fuel sender and gauge for one of our products because the AMERICAN MADE product that was originally specified, supposedly built to a military standard, had a defective product rate of at least 10%. Senders not putting out the correct resistance, resulting in gauges reading and 1/8th tank or more when empty. Gauges that simply didn't work right out of the box. We sent back 5 pieces that we still had in stock that we identified as faulty and every one had a different thing wrong with it, but all of it could be traced to piss poor QC. Issues ranging from assemblers not tightening things right (too loose or too tight), inspectors/testers not checking parts or letting out-of-spec stuff out the door, and poor quality solder joints on wires. Company who sold them to us was like "meh, sometimes that sort of stuff happens". Showed zero interest in tightening their QC. This isn't high tech stuff that's hard to make right. Simple float-arm-type fuel sender with a rheostat, the same sort of thing you can find in a pre-WWII automobile.
Ya, I'm sure there are American suppliers that suck ass. BUT...
Ford at one point decided to offshore fuel pump/sender manufacturing to Thailand. Huge mistake, super high failure rate, really bad customer satisfaction rating. They ended up recalling all those shitty Thai fuel pumps. We had to install them for chump change.
See why I hate Chinese/offshore crap?
It affects me personally.
Not saying anything about the average Ford owners that think Fords are US made, and blame it on union workers probably. Ford isn't telling them the garbage is made offshore, and won't.
This new Focus will be, for the first year at least, a total pile of shit. Watch it happen.
Where were the pump/sender units manufactured before and where are they made now? Was the defect that prompted the recall a design defect or a build defect?
Quote from: shp4man on April 10, 2018, 11:00:04 PM
Ya, I'm sure there are American suppliers that suck ass. BUT...
They're not CHINEEEESE.
Quote from: shp4man on April 10, 2018, 11:00:04 PMSee why I hate Chinese/offshore crap? It affects me personally.
And cheaply made American crap doesn't? :confused:
In your mind, American stuff = all good, foreign stuff = all bad. Just not the case, as literally decades of American CRAP, which enabled foreigners to not only gain marketshare but set up manufacturing plants IN AMERICA have demonstrated.
Quote from: MX793 on April 11, 2018, 05:01:20 AM
Where were the pump/sender units manufactured before and where are they made now? Was the defect that prompted the recall a design defect or a build defect?
Most of them were US made, previous to the Thai experiment. I don't know why they failed, but they shut down that factory. Fuel modules, as Ford calls them are from usually Mexico or USA now.
I've read they're fairly labor intensive to make.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 11, 2018, 05:58:28 AM
They're not CHINEEEESE.
And cheaply made American crap doesn't? :confused:
In your mind, American stuff = all good, foreign stuff = all bad. Just not the case, as literally decades of American CRAP, which enabled foreigners to not only gain marketshare but set up manufacturing plants IN AMERICA have demonstrated.
You're stuck in the 1990's.
Quote from: shp4man on April 11, 2018, 07:43:23 AM
You're stuck in the 1990's.
LOL You're stuck in the 1950s.
Quote from: AutobahnSHO on April 11, 2018, 08:02:25 AM
LOL You're stuck in the 1950s.
I LITERALLY was going to type this.
Also not sure what's changed since the 90s. Is the best selling car not a Toyota Camry? Did the Japanese/Koreans/Germans abandon their American manufacturing facilities?
The world is changing gentlemen. There is a new industrial paradigm. It's 2018, all the rules you learned are changing.
Quote from: shp4man on April 11, 2018, 10:42:58 AM
The world is changing gentlemen. There is a new industrial paradigm. It's 2018, all the rules you learned are changing.
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This forum sucks
Quote from: shp4man on April 11, 2018, 10:42:58 AM
The world is changing gentlemen. There is a new industrial paradigm. It's 2018, all the rules you learned are changing.
Yes and that means Americans buying Chinese made Fords without batting an eye
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 11, 2018, 11:26:16 AM
Yes and that means Americans buying Chinese made Fords without batting an eye
Some will, no doubt. Only later will they realize the error of their ways. :lol:
Quote from: shp4man on April 11, 2018, 11:33:11 AM
Some will, no doubt. Only later will they realize the error of their ways. :lol:
You're adorable.
Quote from: giant_mtb on April 11, 2018, 11:44:02 AM
You're adorable.
Thanks, buddy! Just like a Teddy Bear. :praise:
Do you really think that 1B people are so single minded and have such a lack of care, that everything they make is ass?
Quote from: 2o6 on April 11, 2018, 12:14:12 PM
Do you really think that 1B people are so single minded and have such a lack of care, that everything they make is ass?
Of course not. They have a different government and a lot less incentive for their factory workers than a capitalist country.
They are capable of producing decent products, for sure.
Quote from: shp4man on April 11, 2018, 01:00:20 PM
Of course not. They have a different government and a lot less incentive for their factory workers than a capitalist country.
They are capable of producing decent products, for sure.
Yup, still living decades in the past.
China isn't really communist anymore. They've been moving away from communism since the late 70s. Outside of some key industries like energy, most business ventures are privately owned.
Quote from: shp4man on April 11, 2018, 01:00:20 PM
Of course not. They have a different government and a lot less incentive for their factory workers than a capitalist country.
They are capable of producing decent products, for sure.
Our factory workers don't have much of an incentive either.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-03-23/inside-alabama-s-auto-jobs-boom-cheap-wages-little-training-crushed-limbs
Which is why American cars sucked for so long, and why manufacturers find it hard to get quality hires.
Safety issues arising from intense slave labor competition and untrained or careless workers.. No suicide nets, though, huh?
Quote from: shp4man on April 11, 2018, 01:53:38 PM
Safety issues arising from intense slave labor competition and untrained or careless workers.
This is capitalism. Human life is cheap
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 11, 2018, 03:59:46 PM
This is capitalism. Human life is cheap
So what, you goin' commie now?
:facepalm:
Back to the Focus. Engine choices are:
1.0 Ecoboost 85hp, 100hp or 125hp;
1.5 Ecoboost 150hp or 182hp;
1.5 turbo diesel 95hp or 120hp;
2.0 turbo diesel 150hp.
I imagine we will get the 150hp 1.5. Should be interesting. I'm a fan of cylinder counts in multiples of 3s. Rumor is that the next RS will have an electric rear axle though as the floor is flat :( Still want to know about the ST. Auto transmission will be Aisin's 8 speed which should be good. Gah that sedan is still ghastly.
Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 11, 2018, 07:36:14 PM
Back to the Focus. Engine choices are:
1.0 Ecoboost 85hp, 100hp or 125hp;
1.5 Ecoboost 150hp or 182hp;
1.5 turbo diesel 95hp or 120hp;
2.0 turbo diesel 150hp.
I imagine we will get the 150hp 1.5. Should be interesting. I'm a fan of cylinder counts in multiples of 3s. Rumor is that the next RS will have an electric rear axle though as the floor is flat :( Still want to know about the ST. Auto transmission will be Aisin's 8 speed which should be good. Gah that sedan is still ghastly.
Love me some 9 cylinder engines!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight-nine_engine
We might get the basic 1.0T as well. I know Ford already sells it in the US Focus (it's the only way you can get a real automatic and not the DCT) and it's in the Ecosport, too. With the Fiesta getting axed (likely) they're prolly gonna burn off that in the US Focus. I think US models get a bump to around ~135 HP
Quote from: Laconian on April 11, 2018, 08:22:16 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight-nine_engine
69k Horsepower.
Nice.
Pretty sure VW put a Y-9 TDI in an MK5 Golf.