The Official Sixth Gen Camaro Thread!

Started by Gotta-Qik-C7, January 19, 2015, 06:37:04 PM

SVT666

Quote from: Gotta-Qik-G8 on January 21, 2015, 11:45:46 AM
Break it down for me? Corvette,3rd and 4th gen F Bodies,Fox Body Mustangs and 928/944 Posches (As Sporty mentioned) were all hatchbacks so how is a Liftback any different? Unless you're referring to Rear/Mid Engined cars like the F40.
The difference is body style.  One is a, for lack of a better term, a wagon, while the other is a coupe or has a coupe like roofline.  If you don't want to distinguish between them, then coupe and wagon are the same as well.




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And this is a hatchback :huh:...

marketing..


Gotta-Qik-C7

In the end they're all hatchbacks. It's like calling a Hood an Engine Cover.....
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GoCougs

GM boss says "ZL1 satisfaction" from 2016 Camaro SS.

That means 0-60 in ~4.0 sec, 1/4 mile in the lows 12s, and MagneRide control. Whatever follows (ZL1, Z28) is gonna be monster. I'd much rather see an "LT7" Camaro (L88?) with ~550-575 N/A hp though.


AutobahnSHO

I never saw the point of two FR cars but whatever...
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Gotta-Qik-C7

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FoMoJo

Quote from: GoCougs on February 07, 2015, 11:38:35 PM
GM boss says "ZL1 satisfaction" from 2016 Camaro SS.

That means 0-60 in ~4.0 sec, 1/4 mile in the lows 12s, and MagneRide control. Whatever follows (ZL1, Z28) is gonna be monster. I'd much rather see an "LT7" Camaro (L88?) with ~550-575 N/A hp though.

QuoteThe 2016 Chevrolet Camaro is rumored to debut at the Detroit Auto Show in January, so hopefully we will only be waiting and speculating for another model or so.

Did I miss something :confused:.
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Quote from: Gotta-Qik-G8 on February 08, 2015, 10:01:14 AM
The Rustang GT "dominace" will be short lived!

"Dominance" of course = sorta catching up to the seven-year-old Camaro ;).

MX793

Until GM addresses the low rent interior and horrible outward visibility, being a bit faster isn't going to be enough to topple the Mustang.  The new Mustang still doesn't quite match up to the outgoing Camaro in performance, yet it still frequently is held up as the better overall car.  Based on the mules, they've done little to address the gunslit windows.  We'll see how they managed with the interior.

And LOL at thinking the new SS will match the outgoing ZL1.  "Satisfaction" is not performance.  I agree with much of the article's speculation.  LT-1 power, optional magne-ride (likely part of the 1LE package) and likely Brembos.  It'll be quicker than the current car and the 1LE package should offer all of the on-track performance of the current 1LE without the compromise of on-road harshness if fitted with magne-ride.  I'm not sure just how much lighter to expect.  It'll be a force to be reckoned with, no doubt.  But not ZL1 level.  ZL1 handling with straight line performance somewhere above but closer to the current car than the ZL1.
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GoCougs

So how do you mean topple? The Since '09 the Camaro has been the better seller and the better performer.

If they do use the 460 hp LT1 and get the Camaro to 3,400-3,500 lbs, yes, it will about match ZL1 performance (that's the base C7's stats and it about matches ZL1 in performance).

MX793

I highly doubt it will be 3400-3500 lbs.  Based on the ATS-V, probably more like 3700 lbs.
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GoCougs

Quote from: MX793 on February 08, 2015, 02:30:34 PM
I highly doubt it will be 3400-3500 lbs.  Based on the ATS-V, probably more like 3700 lbs.

The 3.6L V6 ATS Coupe with AT is shown at 3,530 lbs. Swap out the luxury/NVH bits for a bit beefier chassis/drive line, swap out AT for MT, swap out DOHC V6 for pooprod V8, and 3,400-3,500 lb is IMO realistic.

IMO the ATS-V is too heavy for comparison (turbo stuff + associated HW).

Gotta-Qik-C7

Quote from: GoCougs on February 08, 2015, 12:19:56 PM
"Dominance" of course = sorta catching up to the seven-year-old Camaro ;).
My point exactly!!!  :cheers:
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SVT666

Camaro and Mustang have gotten to a point where they are fast enough. I just want kickass steering feel now.

GoCougs

Another reveal (3 o'clock position). Looking smaller and more svelte with a front end that isn't nearly so blunt. Most renderings though show a rear window that doesn't look right but we'll know soon - rumored to debut next month and the NYIAS.



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SVT32V

Quote from: GoCougs on March 06, 2015, 08:52:36 AM



Tough to be a GM fan these days, their newest, baddest vette gets owned by an 8 yr old gtr.

Then they get their d!cks kicked in at the detroit auto show with the unveiling of the GT, Raptor and GT350.  Followed a couple weeks later with the Focus RS.

This lineup will probably look best kept in this dark lighting, what a boring, blob-like looking bunch.

FlatBlackCaddy

Ford vs GM is soooo 1950's. Why do the two keep bickering as the rest of the automotive world passes them by.

SVT666

Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on March 07, 2015, 05:59:43 PM
Ford vs GM is soooo 1950's. Why do the two keep bickering as the rest of the automotive world passes them by.
Ford isn't being passed by.

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SVT666

Yes.  Lap 2 after the car has gone into limp mode.

Rupert

Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on March 07, 2015, 05:59:43 PM
Ford vs GM is soooo 1950's. Why do the two keep bickering as the rest of the automotive world passes them by.

Yep, agreed.
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Gotta-Qik-C7

Quote from: SVT666 on March 07, 2015, 07:52:27 PM
Yes.  Lap 2 after the car has gone into limp mode.
:deadhorse" You better hope the new GT doesn't get creamed by the Z06.......
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on March 07, 2015, 05:59:43 PM
Ford vs GM is soooo 1950's. Why do the two keep bickering as the rest of the automotive world passes them by.
Last I checked GM was very competitive! From the Caddys on down to the Chevys! They just won TOTY also.
Quote from: SVT32V on March 07, 2015, 05:46:06 PM
Tough to be a GM fan these days, their newest, baddest vette gets owned by an 8 yr old gtr.

Then they get their d!cks kicked in at the detroit auto show with the unveiling of the GT, Raptor and GT350.  Followed a couple weeks later with the Focus RS.

This lineup will probably look best kept in this dark lighting, what a boring, blob-like looking bunch.
The GTR that beat the Z06 was a 150K Nismo version of the GTR that uses CURRANT tech.   :huh:  As far as debuts GM doesn't have a lot this year but soes that make them any less of a company!  :rolleyes: In the past couple years GM has debut plenty of nice cars like the C7/Z06, CTS-V/ATS-V, All new full size trucks and SUVs, and All new mid size Pickups!


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SVT666

Quote from: Gotta-Qik-G8 on March 07, 2015, 08:27:18 PM
:deadhorse" You better hope the new GT doesn't get creamed by the Z06.......
The Z06 just gets slower and slower with every lap, so the chances of that are non-existent.

Gotta-Qik-C7

Quote from: SVT666 on March 07, 2015, 08:33:50 PM
The Z06 just gets slower and slower with every lap, so the chances of that are non-existent.
Time will tell my good friend!  Time will tell...... :cheers:
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GoCougs

Quote from: SVT32V on March 07, 2015, 05:46:06 PM
Tough to be a GM fan these days, their newest, baddest vette gets owned by an 8 yr old gtr.

Then they get their d!cks kicked in at the detroit auto show with the unveiling of the GT, Raptor and GT350.  Followed a couple weeks later with the Focus RS.

This lineup will probably look best kept in this dark lighting, what a boring, blob-like looking bunch.

No, not really. The C7 Z06 is a C6 ZR1 + 10% for 30% less cost. That was always its goal and it does it supremely well, gets loads of accolades, and it's selling like hotcakes as a result.

Meh, GM doesn't really care those cars. Sure they're sorta interesting but those don't advance brands in any material manner, esp. given their lack of scalability (trying to repair/elevate EcoBoost image doesn't count).

GM is simply building more and better performance vehicles in total, esp. those that count. The new Camaro in all its incarnations and the upcoming ZR1 are going to be tough on Ford fanboys of delicate constitution.

And c'mon, bro, trying to dangle the Focus RS as a carrot? That's more than telling. But really, either way, punching walls ain't gonna help your cause. GM is out in front and will remain so for the foreseeable future.




GoCougs

Quote from: Gotta-Qik-G8 on March 07, 2015, 08:27:18 PM
:deadhorse" You better hope the new GT doesn't get creamed by the Z06......

Well considering the previous GT couldn't best the vastly cheaper C6 Z06 (and got murdered by the moderately cheaper ZR1), yeah, Ford fanboys should be hoping. And whatever the new ZR1 is, wow, that's gonna be rough on them.