Hyundai seems serious about this Genesis thing

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http://www.autoblog.com/2016/08/16/2017-genesis-g90-first-drive/

The Genesis/Equus looked cheap but I would put this interior up with any of the non Benz Germans



Supposed 3 fighter on the way too.... hopefully they buy Lotus to sort the dynamics out by then....

[MrH]

Yeah, my Genesis had big dynamic issues.  The newer one was a lot better in that regard.

[2o6]

Still looks old and non-descript

[SJ_GTI]

Still looks old and non-descript

I feel like that interior could be inserted in to any random car.

I mean it looks reasonably high quality (always tough to tell in pictures), but the design is very bland.

[MexicoCityM3]

That steering wheel is truly awful.

[12,000 RPM]

Still looks old and non-descript

Will fit right in with the new 7 series then

[MexicoCityM3]

[12,000 RPM]

Reminds me of my steering wheel



I hope that bottom spoke is metal otherwise

I still think Lexus' current interior design language is the best in the business though. Very high quality, distinctive and unapologetically Japanese.

[2o6]

I agree.

[CaminoRacer]

I like the Genesis interior design over that Lexus. Can't comment on materials, obviously.

I'd also prefer the Genesis steering wheel over the BMW or Lexus wheel because I can grip the wheel at the 6 o'clock position. That's my preferred long distance hand placement.

[FlatBlackCaddy]

Hyundai does this thing, they keep a model around and try to improve it, thereby making it a better product through successive generations.

It's something the japanese used to do pretty well.

That is the biggest threat hyundai poses to it's competition. they are stubborn, and don't just throw a model out(cough, general motors) when it doesn't shatter the market.

That said, I like it, they really need to put some focus on the gen coupe.

[MX793]

Hyundai does this thing, they keep a model around and try to improve it, thereby making it a better product through successive generations.

It's something the japanese used to do pretty well.

That is the biggest threat hyundai poses to it's competition. they are stubborn, and don't just throw a model out(cough, general motors) when it doesn't shatter the market.

That said, I like it, they really need to put some focus on the gen coupe.

The Gen Coupe has been discontinued without replacement.

[12,000 RPM]

The Gen Coupe has been discontinued without replacement.

It's coming back under the Genesis brand. The question is how. They are supposedly putting the V6TT in, which could be good or bad. Good if they pair it with a good transmission and keep it light, bad if they make it a literal Genesis Coupe. For the latter I'd rather just have a "coupeified" sedan (or crossover ).

I do think the Genesis Coupe was a bit confused, and ugly too. Too big, not sensual or sexy enough. That 3.8 V6 made great noises and pulled like a freight train though, particularly in the second iteration. People were getting some serious power out of them.

[giant_mtb]

wen u read the first paragraph and think "what in the fuck is this guy talking about?"

"The Genesis G90, new flagship of a new brand, makes me think of Shakespeare. Specifically, the tragedy of Troilus and Cressida, one of the Bard's more obscure and difficult works. But not because that play has much to do with the G90, but because that oft-forgotten work lent the Toyota Cressida, itself an obscure thing, its name."

[CaminoRacer]

wen u read the first paragraph and think "what in the fuck is this guy talking about?"

"The Genesis G90, new flagship of a new brand, makes me think of Shakespeare. Specifically, the tragedy of Troilus and Cressida, one of the Bard's more obscure and difficult works. But not because that play has much to do with the G90, but because that oft-forgotten work lent the Toyota Cressida, itself an obscure thing, its name."

Trying to be too deep.

[MX793]

There's rumor that a luxury coupe will eventually be added to the Genesis brand at some point in the future.  Something that aligns with the brand better than the current car.  There are no immediate plans, though.  I expect that if/when this new model arrives, it will not be in the same affordable price bracket as the current model.

Maybe Kia will get a variant the is more in keeping with the current car's mission as a pony car competitor.

[CaminoRacer]

There's rumor that a luxury coupe will eventually be added to the Genesis brand at some point in the future.  Something that aligns with the brand better than the current car.  There are no immediate plans, though.  I expect that if/when this new model arrives, it will not be in the same affordable price bracket as the current model.

Maybe Kia will get a variant the is more in keeping with the current car's mission as a pony car competitor.

That would make the most sense from a branding POV.

[Vinsanity]

Yeah, my Genesis had big dynamic issues.  The newer one was a lot better in that regard.

Did you have a coupe or sedan?

My dad has a 2012 sedan. I suppose it drives well if you never drive a BMW...

[MrH]

Did you have a coupe or sedan?

My dad has a 2012 sedan. I suppose it drives well if you never drive a BMW...

I had an R spec sedan for a bit.

[Vinsanity]

I had an R spec sedan for a bit.

I drove one of those around the block at an auto show event a few years back. Lovely engine, but yes, it felt like the engineers didn't spend very much time making the car into a coherent package, at least to the extent the Germans do.

[MrH]

It felt like a pig on stilts with a rocket strapped to its back. It was a weird vehicle.

[MX793]

South Korean suspension engineer's idea of luxury ride is is that of a 1970s Cadillac.

[MrH]

It wasn't even soft. It was harsh and also handled poorly. The suspension geometry was fucked up. You couldn't get enough caster to prevent it from wandering all over the road. Any curve of the road or unevenness sent the thing all over the place. Power steering was really, really, heavy and inconsistent so it got tiring to keep correcting all the time.

I'd like to see the camber curve on that thing. It felt like you didn't get anything as the car leaned. Had really goofy displacement based variable damping shocks on it.

The current Genesis is much better but they had to bring in Lotus to help.

[ifcar]

The R-Spec was pretty stiff, but other first-gen Genesis sedans were fine. Not perfect, but respectably comfortable without being wallowy.

[cawimmer430]

The materials look top notch. 

It's just the cabin design appears so uninspired and boring.

[12,000 RPM]

It's in the league of the A8 and 7 series as far as design goes. Neither of those set the world on fire. But you know my motto.... when you are a new challenger in as established segment, "good enough is not enough". Interior of these things have to make you glaze your underoos.

[FlatBlackCaddy]

It felt like a pig on stilts with a rocket strapped to its back. It was a weird vehicle.

Sounds like a typical "american tuned" suspension.

[cawimmer430]

It's in the league of the A8 and 7 series as far as design goes. Neither of those set the world on fire. But you know my motto.... when you are a new challenger in as established segment, "good enough is not enough". Interior of these things have to make you glaze your underoos.

Design is a highly subjective issue. I do think the materials look top notch and the cabin is definitely a nice and wonderful place to sit in, but the overall design just comes across as bland to me. Obviously they were going for a conservative look and they succeeded, but it does come across as a tad bland. Just my opinion. 

And without trying to sound biased, I do think that the Audi A8 interior is fairly conservative as well, but design-wise it does come across as more interesting and "balanced" than the Hyundai cabin. Again, just my opinion. 

[Raza]

Do you think Benz has the best interiors of the Germans?

[12,000 RPM]

I don't know who you're asking but I do.