$20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?

Started by 12,000 RPM, September 04, 2016, 02:20:39 PM

What would you pick?

2012+ Civic Si
0 (0%)
Focus ST
5 (31.3%)
E90 335i
5 (31.3%)
G35/G37 6MT sedan
5 (31.3%)
Fuck it :huh: Built R18 + turbo kit + drive Demon Civic into a pile of ashes
1 (6.3%)

Total Members Voted: 16

Madman

Quote from: 2o6 on September 04, 2016, 03:36:36 PM
A built R18 is a waste of time.


No, a built R18 with a turbo would be AWESOME!!!





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BimmerM3

Quote from: CaminoRacer on September 04, 2016, 05:20:08 PM
I think I'm getting old - I'd rather leave a car stock than mod one. Unless you spend the time/money for a full build.

That was the main reason I didn't look at Miatas when shopping for the S2000.

BimmerM3

As far as the original question goes... duh... E39 M5.


Raza

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 06, 2016, 08:10:07 AM
GTI is a possibility. AWD cars though, hell no. I left the NE for a reason. WRX is not bad but not really great either. Evo X is the worst of both worlds- the upright stance, looks and refinement of an economy car with the costs, fuel economy and single mindedness of a sports car. Would be even more miserable than the Z for the daily grind.
Z wasn't disappointing to drive. People don't read what I write. My gripes with the Z all stemmed from having to commute in it. No back seat was a PITA for practicality, and the road noise, particularly in the rain, was maddening. Cost of mods at the time was a bit much to swallow as well. Now I can get and align decent coilovers for the G for <$1000, and figure something out with the exhaust. Doesn't need anything beyond that. And while its road noise is still worse than its peers it's much better than the Z and the Civic. It's mainly gambling on 20MPG fuel mileage again that gives me pause

No, the Z was disappointing to drive.  You just didn't notice.   :devil:
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Quote from: the Teuton on October 05, 2009, 03:53:18 PM
It's impossible to argue with Raza. He wins. Period. End of discussion.

68_427

Yeah you could have at least bought something fast

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12,000 RPM

Quote from: Raza  on September 07, 2016, 05:55:24 AM
No, the Z was disappointing to drive.  You just didn't notice.   :devil:
Z had its dynamic/interface issues, but what killed it for me was the day to day stuff.
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MrH

I really like the looks of 350Zs.  I test drove one for awhile before I got the miata.  I had such high hopes and was so disappointed.  It was like a child hood flash back.  I was sitting inside a fisher price toy box I had as a kid.  It was kind of fast, but visibility was terrible, dynamics were terrible, controls and feedback were terrible.  What a sad day.
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12,000 RPM

The looks are the one big thing I miss about the Z. Mine was beautiful. But the Z also taught me that it doesn't matter how good a car looks if you don't like living with it or driving it. Don't have to own a car to enjoy its beauty.

It's a shame because I think a lot of the tactile issues just came down to tuning/design. My buddy's Challenger SRT8 had a lighter/better shifter+clutch combo
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BimmerM3

Quote from: MrH on September 07, 2016, 08:02:06 AM
I really like the looks of 350Zs.  I test drove one for awhile before I got the miata.  I had such high hopes and was so disappointed.  It was like a child hood flash back.  I was sitting inside a fisher price toy box I had as a kid.  It was kind of fast, but visibility was terrible, dynamics were terrible, controls and feedback were terrible.  What a sad day.

I didn't even bother driving one, especially since I wanted a convertible.

12,000 RPM

Drove wife's car into work today.... might be lack of sleep from last night but I'm thinking my next car will be auto. Bike is my Miata. Just had the realization that through the commute I never thought "man I wish I had a manual" or slapped it into sport or manual mode. I'd say it's as fast as the Civic in a straight line without any of the drama. I'm gonna start looking when we get back from Europe
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FoMoJo

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 08, 2016, 05:43:59 AM
Drove wife's car into work today.... might be lack of sleep from last night but I'm thinking my next car will be auto. Bike is my Miata. Just had the realization that through the commute I never thought "man I wish I had a manual" or slapped it into sport or manual mode. I'd say it's as fast as the Civic in a straight line without any of the drama. I'm gonna start looking when we get back from Europe
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12,000 RPM

If I have to drive auto a 4 banger is not an option :nono:

Gotta be a 6 banger, as fast as the Z, get somewhere close to low 20 MPGs combined.
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MrH

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12,000 RPM

:wtf:

Probably in the budget too

I need those 6 cylinder harmonics though. And coilovers. Hmmmm
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Raza

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on September 08, 2016, 05:43:59 AM
Drove wife's car into work today.... might be lack of sleep from last night but I'm thinking my next car will be auto. Bike is my Miata. Just had the realization that through the commute I never thought "man I wish I had a manual" or slapped it into sport or manual mode. I'd say it's as fast as the Civic in a straight line without any of the drama. I'm gonna start looking when we get back from Europe

If not liking cars anymore is what happens when you buy a motorcycle, I'm never buying one. Camry time for you, a Harley will be next.
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Quote from: the Teuton on October 05, 2009, 03:53:18 PM
It's impossible to argue with Raza. He wins. Period. End of discussion.

12,000 RPM

You were never going to buy one in the first place. Though I am not surprised that you would rather miss out on something as awesome as motorcycling to not have to walk back your rigid views and opinions :lol:

Open your mind to new possibilities bro. Bikes > cars, by a wide margin. If they weren't nobody would accept the risk of riding. Like I said the bike is my Miata. Your Z4 is yours and you too are looking to get something even more unthusiast than me................................................ come on bro  :partyon:
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Cookie Monster

Quote from: Raza  on September 08, 2016, 10:10:50 AM
If not liking cars anymore is what happens when you buy a motorcycle, I'm never buying one. Camry time for you, a Harley will be next.

Trust me, I've never once gotten back into my Miata and been sad it was not an automatic. When I was injured I was itching just as badly to get back to driving a manual as I was to get back to riding.
RWD > FWD
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Quote from: 68_427 on November 27, 2016, 07:43:14 AM
Or order from fortune auto and when lyft rider asks why your car feels bumpy you can show them the dyno curve
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12,000 RPM

Rags, you are different. Most people over 30 aren't daily driving stripped out track cars. Not a bad thing, but definitely not a normal thing either. I enjoy a good stickshift, but I enjoy brapping through the gears on the bike about 100x more.
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Cookie Monster

I definitely enjoy the bike more when riding in traffic, but to me, hitting some perfect heel-toe downshifts or getting the car's exhaust to pop between upshifts is so gratifying. Shifting on a bike is fun for sure and I'd never get an automatic bike, but IMO it's not quite as rewarding nor takes as much skill as getting it right in a car.

Plus, I can do things like get the rear of the car loose, take turns at higher speed, etc that I can't do on the bike.
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Quote from: 68_427 on November 27, 2016, 07:43:14 AM
Or order from fortune auto and when lyft rider asks why your car feels bumpy you can show them the dyno curve
1 3 5
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2 4 R

2o6

If that's the case, get a V6 Camry and call it a day.

12,000 RPM

Quote from: Cookie Monster on September 08, 2016, 11:06:32 AM
I definitely enjoy the bike more when riding in traffic, but to me, hitting some perfect heel-toe downshifts or getting the car's exhaust to pop between upshifts is so gratifying. Shifting on a bike is fun for sure and I'd never get an automatic bike, but IMO it's not quite as rewarding nor takes as much skill as getting it right in a car.

Plus, I can do things like get the rear of the car loose, take turns at higher speed, etc that I can't do on the bike.

Different strokes I guess. Riding a bike is like riding an animal or wearing a Gundam suit. Driving, even at 10/10ths, doesn't come close IMO. Plus for me anyway, *dons flame suit* sim racing is like 90% as fun as street driving. OK, the g-forces aren't there, but to my caveman brain it's close enough.

Quote from: 2o6 on September 08, 2016, 11:15:18 AM
If that's the case, get a V6 Camry and call it a day.
If they made a V6 Corolla I would consider it. I'm still seriously chewing on the idea of one of these too....

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Cookie Monster

IMO driving 10/10ths on track in a track capable car is almost as fun as riding on track. Two vastly different experiences that aren't really comparable but I love both.
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Quote from: 68_427 on November 27, 2016, 07:43:14 AM
Or order from fortune auto and when lyft rider asks why your car feels bumpy you can show them the dyno curve
1 3 5
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2 4 R

2o6

Those cars aren't very dynamically good, so I don't understand why you're looking at them and trying to say they're even remotely engaging.




I drove a V6 Camry for three hours this weekend, it was fine enough, and kinda fast, but the whole car is meant to be as un engaging as possible.

CaminoRacer

Racing games are boring to me now. There's no feedback.
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MrH

Lol.  You want a super engaging sports sedan, then consider a Chrysler 200 :wtf:
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Cookie Monster

Quote from: MrH on September 08, 2016, 01:22:36 PM
Lol.  You want a super engaging sports sedan, then consider a Chrysler 200 :wtf:

Yeah... he's all over the place. He said previously that the way a car looks doesn't matter, then wants to get a 200 only because it looks good. :facepalm:
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Quote from: 68_427 on November 27, 2016, 07:43:14 AM
Or order from fortune auto and when lyft rider asks why your car feels bumpy you can show them the dyno curve
1 3 5
├┼┤
2 4 R


12,000 RPM

Quote from: MrH on September 08, 2016, 01:22:36 PM
Lol.  You want a super engaging sports sedan, then consider a Chrysler 200 :wtf:
I readily admit I don't know exactly what I want.... if I did I wouldn't be soliciting opinions :huh: Besides, better to ask and get insight than make mistakes.... like you did with the Genesis + BRZ :evildude:

All I know is I want something fast, somewhat luxurious, somewhat engaging and able to fit in my garage. My lil bro has an Altima V6... most of the midsizers have no appeal to me. Outside of the engine that car is complete garbage to drive. Maybe the 200 is, IDK. But it's different and worth a look IMO. I think the IS350/G37 are the top choices though.
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