What would it take for you to give up car ownership for ride sharing?

Started by 12,000 RPM, April 12, 2017, 02:32:21 PM

Soup DeVille

If that many people are "ride sharing," then who's ride are they actually sharing.

The whole thing mostly works now because there are enough drivers and car owners to support the riders. That could easily change as the economics of owning and driving a car change.
Maybe we need to start off small. I mean, they don't let you fuck the glumpers at Glumpees without a level 4 FuckPass, do they?

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MexicoCityM3

Quote from: 2o6 on April 13, 2017, 07:21:18 AM

I don't agree. In my area, Uber would surpass a car payment, gas, insurance in about a week.

Depends on a specific person's driving habits, what I mean is that it's pretty easy in a lot of cases, not all.
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Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on April 13, 2017, 10:00:41 AM
Depends on a specific person's driving habits, what I mean is that it's pretty easy in a lot of cases, not all.

So, the answer is "it depends". :lol:

The carfree people I know are spending like $200-$250 a month for transportation. Buses do the majority of the work, and Car2Go/Uber fill in the gaps. $250 is the price of having a parking spot at home and at work. O_o
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Soup DeVille

In 206's case, parking is a lot less of a cost. And the buses generally suck everywhere between New York and California
Maybe we need to start off small. I mean, they don't let you fuck the glumpers at Glumpees without a level 4 FuckPass, do they?

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93JC

I'm not sure what it would take to give up car ownership entirely, but mostly it would come down to cost. I'm already using "carsharing" (Car2Go) quite a bit to get to and from work. Last year I only put about 7,500 km (less than 5,000 miles) on my own car. I use Car2Go because I don't have to pay for parking. A parking spot near my office is prohibitively expensive; the lot across the street costs $399/mo. Parking on street would cost >$35/day, and I'd have to move my car every two hours. When I'm not using Car2Go I take public transit instead. I haven't touched my car since Sunday.

MrH

:wtf:

Work doesn't give you a parking space?  That whole idea seems crazy to us in the midwest.
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Laconian

Quote from: MrH on April 13, 2017, 11:50:01 AM
:wtf:

Work doesn't give you a parking space?  That whole idea seems crazy to us in the midwest.

Yeah, real estate prices be fuckin' crazy up in heah.
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FoMoJo

Quote from: 93JC on April 13, 2017, 11:48:01 AM
I'm not sure what it would take to give up car ownership entirely, but mostly it would come down to cost. I'm already using "carsharing" (Car2Go) quite a bit to get to and from work. Last year I only put about 7,500 km (less than 5,000 miles) on my own car. I use Car2Go because I don't have to pay for parking. A parking spot near my office is prohibitively expensive; the lot across the street costs $399/mo. Parking on street would cost >$35/day, and I'd have to move my car every two hours. When I'm not using Car2Go I take public transit instead. I haven't touched my car since Sunday.
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93JC

Quote from: MrH on April 13, 2017, 11:50:01 AM
:wtf:

Work doesn't give you a parking space?  That whole idea seems crazy to us in the midwest.

I used to have a spot, but my office moved downtown a couple years ago. There are approximately 1200 people working in this building and only ~75 parking spots on site so no, they don't give us parking. Of the business unit I work in there are only three guys with parking stalls, and we have a couple passes that we sign out when we absolutely need them (i.e. can bill the cost to a job). My boss, three steps' seniority removed from the CEO, doesn't have a parking space.

93JC

Quote from: FoMoJo on April 13, 2017, 12:28:49 PM
Calgary is undergoing a population explosion as well?

Population has doubled in about 30 years, and from 2011 to 2016 it was easily the fastest-growing Census Metropolitan Area. More than twice as much growth as Vancouver and Toronto.

MrH

Quote from: 93JC on April 13, 2017, 12:46:10 PM
I used to have a spot, but my office moved downtown a couple years ago. There are approximately 1200 people working in this building and only ~75 parking spots on site so no, they don't give us parking. Of the business unit I work in there are only three guys with parking stalls, and we have a couple passes that we sign out when we absolutely need them (i.e. can bill the cost to a job). My boss, three steps' seniority removed from the CEO, doesn't have a parking space.

I gotta ask, why did they move downtown?  Situations like that is exactly why companies move to all the suburbs around here.
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12,000 RPM

Quote from: MrH on April 13, 2017, 11:50:01 AM
:wtf:

Work doesn't give you a parking space?  That whole idea seems crazy to us in the midwest.
They did not give me one in NYC either.
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Soup DeVille

Quote from: MrH on April 13, 2017, 11:50:01 AM
:wtf:

Work doesn't give you a parking space?  That whole idea seems crazy to us in the midwest.

In city centers, it's not uncommon.
Maybe we need to start off small. I mean, they don't let you fuck the glumpers at Glumpees without a level 4 FuckPass, do they?

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93JC

Quote from: MrH on April 13, 2017, 01:09:47 PM
I gotta ask, why did they move downtown?  Situations like that is exactly why companies move to all the suburbs around here.

Other divisions were already leasing the space downtown, and the lease for our old space was up. Better to fill the space you've already leased for X years than sign another one at the old location (which was also about 35% unused).

CaminoRacer

Quote from: MrH on April 13, 2017, 11:50:01 AM
:wtf:

Work doesn't give you a parking space?  That whole idea seems crazy to us in the midwest.

+1

And they think we're the crazy ones
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Laconian

Quote from: CaminoRacer on April 13, 2017, 02:30:37 PM
+1

And they think we're the crazy ones

A lot of city folks live and work within a few miles of each other. That seems pretty sane to me.
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CaminoRacer

Quote from: Laconian on April 13, 2017, 02:54:00 PM
A lot of city folks live and work within a few miles of each other. That seems pretty sane to me.

You can do that in Ohio too, with free parking. :huh:
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Laconian

Houses in suburbs are generally surrounded by miles of other houses?
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BimmerM3

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 12, 2017, 02:32:21 PM
Is there anything? I still think fully autonomous vehicles fit for public use and purchase are decades away, but as someone already used to public transportation I think if there were some kind of autonomous "Uber" that compared in cost to ownership I'd be down. Especially if there were cost savings and available track days. What would it take for you? Or is it completely non-negotiable?

On a side note, Uber's self-driving car program is about to get royally fucked by Google because some of Google's ex-employees stole a bunch of stuff and took it to Uber.

https://techcrunch.com/2017/03/16/googles-fight-with-uber-over-self-driving-cars-is-heating-up/

Soup DeVille

Quote from: Laconian on April 13, 2017, 02:54:00 PM
A lot of city folks live and work within a few miles of each other. That seems pretty sane to me.

And many of the ones that don't are using busses or trains to get to work anyways.
Maybe we need to start off small. I mean, they don't let you fuck the glumpers at Glumpees without a level 4 FuckPass, do they?

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Laconian

I wish we had trains here. :P

We have light rail which shares its surface streets with cars. Worst of all worlds. Ughhh.
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Quote from: BimmerM3 on April 13, 2017, 03:39:14 PM
On a side note, Uber's self-driving car program is about to get royally fucked by Google because some of Google's ex-employees stole a bunch of stuff and took it to Uber.

https://techcrunch.com/2017/03/16/googles-fight-with-uber-over-self-driving-cars-is-heating-up/

QuoteThe company has also accused two other engineers, Radu Raduta and Sameer Kshirsagar...

Wasn't that the name of the Indian guy in Office Space?
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Soup DeVille

Quote from: Laconian on April 13, 2017, 04:15:30 PM
I wish we had trains here. :P

We have light rail which shares its surface streets with cars. Worst of all worlds. Ughhh.

Chicago largely gets trains right. Err, rightish
Maybe we need to start off small. I mean, they don't let you fuck the glumpers at Glumpees without a level 4 FuckPass, do they?

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93JC

:hesaid:

Kind of a dickish thing to say at first blush, but that's ultimately what it comes down to. Parking is expensive here because demand outstrips supply by a great margin, or in other words it's a place where people want to be. Parking is cheap or "free" (it's never really free) in places where supply is far greater than demand, or in other words where people don't want to be.

2o6

Columbus is ok.


But Columbus is also starting to have big city woes, and with basically no good public transit it's gonna be bad in about five years.

93JC

To put things into perspective, downtown Columbus (metro pop ~2.0 million):



Downtown Calgary (metro pop ~1.4 million):



There's a fuck-ton more people in the city centre here. (And that photo is obviously a couple years old, as it doesn't have Brookfield Place—the new tallest building in town—in it.) I'm not saying I particularly like working at the location I work at, just trying to illustrate that when you get a big enough agglomeration of people space runs out and parking gets expensive.

CaminoRacer

To what benefit? I get no joy from being in a city constantly. It's much nicer to live in a suburbs, work in the suburbs, and only go to the city for fun stuff. All the benefits without the drawbacks (parking, crime, COL, etc)
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12,000 RPM

Quote from: CaminoRacer on April 13, 2017, 06:44:53 PM
To what benefit?
Employment

I think the big issue with cities is working in them. That's the grind. Right now though retiring in a city center seems like the jam. All the convenience and energy of a city center without the grind, exercise, and no dependence on diminishing driving ability to get around. Right now though, while I work, suburbs are definitely the jam.
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