2018 Camry XSE V6 - The Centimation of the Poser Class Confirmed.

[GoCougs]

301 hp. 8 sp AT. Flappy paddles. Quad exhaust. All new lighter and stiffer chassis. Should break into the 13s if it can put the power down.

[FoMoJo]

Flappy paddles in a Camry?  Why?

[12,000 RPM]

Hopefully they give it a Revoknuckle style front suspension and LSD, or the option for AWD. Otherwise......


To be fair though, the Maxima I drove did OK with conventional struts and an open diff. But yea this thing looks pretty sweet.

[2o6]

I don't get the "poser class" comment when you drive a G37, which is arguably the least nice out of all the C segment entry level lux cars

[cawimmer430]

Are there really people that will buy a performance Camry? I mean I picture the typical Camry owner of being someone who does not care about cars and wants good value and reliability and nothing more.

[GoCougs]

Are there really people that will buy a performance Camry? I mean I picture the typical Camry owner of being someone who does not care about cars and wants good value and reliability and nothing more.

The SE V6 ("performance" model) has been a fixture in the Camry lineup since 2007, so, apparently enough people are buying them...

[GoCougs]

I don't get the "poser class" comment when you drive a G37, which is arguably the least nice out of all the C segment entry level lux cars

Not only was the G37 the best in class (you had to bump up to the S4 or M3 to getting something materially better), it was never in the poser class. Poser class would be the Q50 2.0T, which you'd have to be a lunatic to buy.

[Payman]

Is there anything more poser than a fwd 4 door Camry with body cladding and quad exhaust tips?

[FoMoJo]

Is there anything more poser than a fwd 4 door Camry with body cladding and quad exhaust tips?

...and flappy paddles on an eight speed?

[MX793]

Centimation...  Centimated...  You keep using this word but I don't think it means what you think that it means. 

Also, it's not a real word (not in the dictionary).

[FoMoJo]

Centimation...  Centimated...  You keep using this word but I don't think it means what you think that it means. 

Also, it's not a real word (not in the dictionary).

In an alternate universe, Bizarro world, perhaps it has a meaning similar to decimate.

[SJ_GTI]

I always assumed he was using it in a sarcastic (sardonic?) way.

IIRC someone nitpicked his use of the term decimated. He then started using this term instead. I assumed he was using it in a clearly incorrect way (ie: "centimated" somehow being worse than decimated even though the phraseology would suggest that something being centimated is less extreme than it being decimated).

[cawimmer430]

The SE V6 ("performance" model) has been a fixture in the Camry lineup since 2007, so, apparently enough people are buying them...

Yeah, but weren't those 250/270-hp models with zero sporting pretensions?

[MX793]

Yeah, but weren't those 250/270-hp models with zero sporting pretensions?

They had a sporty-looking set of body add-ons and bigger standard wheels...

[2o6]

Not only was the G37 the best in class (you had to bump up to the S4 or M3 to getting something materially better), it was never in the poser class. Poser class would be the Q50 2.0T, which you'd have to be a lunatic to buy.

It's good you like your car, but the G cars are *okay*

The E90, F30, and whatever Audi and MB made are better luxury vehicles. Quieter, more refined. Maybe slower in base trim, but that can be fixed by buying a bigger engined model.

[CaminoRacer]

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/toyota/camry/2018/2018-toyota-camry-first-drive-review/?sm_id=organic_fb_MT_trueanthem&utm_campaign&utm_content=594a7be404d30171fc381164&utm_medium&utm_source

[12,000 RPM]

It's good you like your car, but the G cars are *okay*

The E90, F30, and whatever Audi and MB made are better luxury vehicles. Quieter, more refined. Maybe slower in base trim, but that can be fixed by buying a bigger engined model.

E90 and Audis, yes. F30, no. Bells, whistles and IDrive aside it did not feel more upscale than a current year Accord LX, and this was no stripper model.

I will say this- the G's materials are unacceptably cheap. Leather in the back seat on mine is worn, and the faux aluminum trim is flaking. But aside from that it's solid. F30 dash feels like Rubbermaid by comparison.

[Laconian]

Faux aluminum? My G had real metal with a swirly wire brush texture?

[68_427]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwGMuKfHNNo

[MX793]

I will say this- the G's materials are unacceptably cheap. Leather in the back seat on mine is worn, and the faux aluminum trim is flaking. But aside from that it's solid. F30 dash feels like Rubbermaid by comparison.

Are you sure it's not the clearcoat applied on top of the aluminum that's flaking?

[ifcar]

They had a sporty-looking set of body add-ons and bigger standard wheels...

Also some steering and suspension tweaks. But nothing that was going to take on a luxury sports sedan except in the 0-60, which is of course what separates a great car from a poseur.

[MX793]

Also some steering and suspension tweaks. But nothing that was going to take on a luxury sports sedan except in the 0-60, which is of course what separates a great car from a poseur.

It was nothing that was going to take on a V6 Accord Sport, forget anything in the "poseur" class.

[GoCougs]

Faux aluminum? My G had real metal with a swirly wire brush texture?

It's real/unpainted AL in my car too, knowingly obvious as it dents and scratches very easily.

My leather has held up great. The driver's seat is a bit scrunched and shiny but looks better than average for 120k miles (and I've never treated it).

[GoCougs]

It's good you like your car, but the G cars are *okay*

The E90, F30, and whatever Audi and MB made are better luxury vehicles. Quieter, more refined. Maybe slower in base trim, but that can be fixed by buying a bigger engined model.

"Better" in that they had awful infotainment and would eat Camcord V6 dust (yes, it matters, A LOT) all for $40k+, and to get materially more one has to bump up to the $50k S4, C43, etc.

The vast majority of poser class buyers would be far better served in a Camcord, but decadence and narcissism are powerful elixirs.

The only leeway that may be given is for the new A4 - at least with DSG/6MT and AWD, there's at least some differentiation that matters.

[2o6]

The Camry is loud and less composed. It's not meant to be on the same level; it's a different car for a different buyer.


Curiously, you continually ignore the IS.....

[Tave]

"Better" in that they had awful infotainment and would eat Camcord V6 dust (yes, it matters, A LOT) all for $40k+, and to get materially more one has to bump up to the $50k S4, C43, etc.

???

The 3-series has always had an engine option short of the M's that will beat a Camry in a straight line.

[GoCougs]

The Camry is loud and less composed. It's not meant to be on the same level; it's a different car for a different buyer.


Curiously, you continually ignore the IS.....

I don't care much for the IS, and actually have very little respect for it, but holy hell the Lexus folks must be pissed that the Camry just got its motor.

[12,000 RPM]

???

The 3-series has always had an engine option short of the M's that will beat a Camry in a straight line.

Not for at least twice the price

From a roll I see a 328i/330i having a hard time getting away... and a 320i, forget about it

[2o6]

I don't care much for the IS, and actually have very little respect for it, but holy hell the Lexus folks must be pissed that the Camry just got its motor.

No one gives a shit.

[12,000 RPM]

I don't care much for the IS, and actually have very little respect for it, but holy hell the Lexus folks must be pissed that the Camry just got its motor.

I doubt it. Lexus RWD lineup is dying on the vine, largely in part I think because people can get their RWD kicks without having to deal with that asinine infotainment system. Bad infotainment is really destroying whole generations of cars.