Say Hello To The Long-Awaited BMW Z4 Concept

Started by cawimmer430, August 17, 2017, 07:26:08 AM

Galaxy

Quote from: cawimmer430 on August 17, 2017, 11:53:26 AM
That guy looks like an aged Adrian van Hooydonk...

That is Adrian van Hooydonk.  :lol:

I was also surprised because I had also memorized that he moved on from BMW. Turns out he just moved up the ladder. He is now head of design for the entire BMW Group, including motorcycles, Rolls Royce, and Mini.

12,000 RPM

Quote from: MX793 on August 17, 2017, 03:26:43 PM
If we're lucky, they may offer both a non-hybrid and a hybrid version (like the Lexus LC).  But given that Toyota feels the need to Hybridize practically everything they sell, and will certainly want to do so with their halo car, I'll be stunned if there isn't a hybrid Supra.
Hybridization can be OK if done right.

https://youtu.be/L2eraoIUCms?t=22

I would prefer hybridization + NA to turbocharging, as long as the weight can be kept under control.

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MX793

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on August 17, 2017, 08:11:03 PM
Hybridization can be OK if done right.

https://youtu.be/L2eraoIUCms?t=22

I would prefer hybridization + NA to turbocharging, as long as the weight can be kept under control.



Sure, but not if it's using Toyota's ubiquitous Synergy drive.  I do not want a CVT in my sports car.  Nor do I want that Frankenstein drivetrain from the LC Hybrid where they took the Synergy Drive CVT and tacked a traditional 4AT to the back of it to mimic real gears.
Needs more Jiggawatts

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Laconian

Quote from: MX793 on August 17, 2017, 08:24:43 PM
where they took the Synergy Drive CVT and tacked a traditional 4AT to the back of it to mimic real gears.

...wat
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cawimmer430

Quote from: Galaxy on August 17, 2017, 03:34:35 PM
That is Adrian van Hooydonk.  :lol:

I was also surprised because I had also memorized that he moved on from BMW. Turns out he just moved up the ladder. He is now head of design for the entire BMW Group, including motorcycles, Rolls Royce, and Mini.

I knew that guy looked familiar!  :praise:
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cawimmer430

Quote from: Raza  on August 17, 2017, 03:23:09 PM
At Toyota:
"Hey, remember how everyone waited around for years at Honda and when they finally brought out the new NSX it as an overweight hybrid that nobody likes? Let's do that."

:lol:
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MX793

New Z4 reportedly has a larger footprint than the current one (longer and wider).
Needs more Jiggawatts

2016 Ford Mustang GTPP / 2011 Toyota Rav4 Base AWD / 2014 Kawasaki Ninja 1000 ABS
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MexicoCityM3

Quote from: MX793 on August 18, 2017, 11:46:18 AM
New Z4 reportedly has a larger footprint than the current one (longer and wider).

Source?
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'08 M5 E60 SMG  Space Grey
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MX793

Needs more Jiggawatts

2016 Ford Mustang GTPP / 2011 Toyota Rav4 Base AWD / 2014 Kawasaki Ninja 1000 ABS
1992 Nissan 240SX Fastback / 2004 Mazda Mazda3s / 2011 Ford Mustang V6 Premium / 2007 Suzuki GSF1250SA Bandit / 2006 VW Jetta 2.5

MexicoCityM3

Founder, BMW Car Club de México
http://bmwclub.org.mx
'05 M3 E46 6SPD Mystic Blue
'08 M5 E60 SMG  Space Grey
'11 1M E82 6SPD Sapphire Black
'16 GT4 (1/3rd Share lol)
'18 M3 CS
'16 X5 5.0i (Wife)
'14 MINI Cooper Countryman S Automatic (For Sale)

Submariner

Quote from: MX793 on August 17, 2017, 08:24:43 PM
Sure, but not if it's using Toyota's ubiquitous Synergy drive.  I do not want a CVT in my sports car.  Nor do I want that Frankenstein drivetrain from the LC Hybrid where they took the Synergy Drive CVT and tacked a traditional 4AT to the back of it to mimic real gears.

How does that work?
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MX793

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Quote from: Submariner on August 19, 2017, 03:34:41 PM
How does that work?

Like other drivetrains that use secondary gearboxes on the output of the primary (e.g. 10-15 speed semis with 2-3 spd secondary boxes, or a 4WD with a 2-speed transfer case).

In normal mode, it drives like a CVT, but the second box can expand the ratio band of the CVT (allowing the electric motors to turn at lower RPMs in all-electric mode).  In sport mode, the secondary box allows for shifts that feel more like a "normal" multi-speed gearbox and is supposed to remove the rubber band feeling associated with CVTs.

These give a little more explanation:

https://lexusenthusiast.com/2016/03/07/video-explaining-the-new-lexus-lc-500h-hybrid-transmission/
http://blog.caranddriver.com/two-trans-enter-one-trans-leaves-details-of-the-new-lexus-multi-stage-hybrid/
Needs more Jiggawatts

2016 Ford Mustang GTPP / 2011 Toyota Rav4 Base AWD / 2014 Kawasaki Ninja 1000 ABS
1992 Nissan 240SX Fastback / 2004 Mazda Mazda3s / 2011 Ford Mustang V6 Premium / 2007 Suzuki GSF1250SA Bandit / 2006 VW Jetta 2.5

cawimmer430

Spotted what looks like the next-generation Z4 (and the upcoming X7 SUV) today! 



















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MexicoCityM3

Founder, BMW Car Club de México
http://bmwclub.org.mx
'05 M3 E46 6SPD Mystic Blue
'08 M5 E60 SMG  Space Grey
'11 1M E82 6SPD Sapphire Black
'16 GT4 (1/3rd Share lol)
'18 M3 CS
'16 X5 5.0i (Wife)
'14 MINI Cooper Countryman S Automatic (For Sale)

cawimmer430

Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on September 15, 2017, 03:27:20 PM
Nice catch. Do you sell those pics?

Nope, because someone will usually have shot these cars before me and sold them to the magazines. The few times I tried to sell them I've been told that someone already sent them the shots of this/these car(s).

I've heard that there are literally spy photographers who camp out at the Nürburgring (or at the gates of BMWs Skunk Works) just to get the first shots of some prototype and then sell it to a magazine. ;)
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