Porsche fires a warning nuke across Tesla's bows

[12,000 RPM]

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2017/09/production-2019-porsche-mission-e-will-priced-around-85000-80-percent-charge-takes-15-minutes-nets-250-mile-range



Apparently this thing is gonna cost $85K to start, have a ~310 mile range, and 350kW charging capacity (enabling getting 250 miles worth of charge in ~15 minutes)

$85K for this! From Porsche! Tesla who?

[Cookie Monster]

It looks amazing but I'm wondering what the production version will look like. Also, it's coming out like 2 years from now... Tesla should have a new S by then with probably very comparable specs... I think Tesla is safe for now.

[Xer0]

As this is still 2 years away, i expect that 85K price to creep up a bit, but damn is it sexy.  I wonder if there will be a none electric version sold?

[12,000 RPM]

I think its impossible proportions are only possible with electric hardware. There's very little overhang and it's very cab forward... where would a decent sized gas engine go?

[Cookie Monster]

I think its impossible proportions are only possible with electric hardware. There's very little overhang and it's very cab forward... where would a decent sized gas engine go?

In the ass.

[MrH]

Yeah, Tesla is going to get murdered if they're even able to survive for another 2 more years.

Looks like Porsche is figuring out how to build electric cars profitably with this one.  If this really comes out at $85k and they're making money with it, it's over.  Tesla's big advantage has just been having the balls to take financial risks that other companies wouldn't do.  With this car, Tesla is going to have to compete in all areas, like fit and finish, quality, driving dynamics, etc.  Porsche is going to be better at all of those things.

[12,000 RPM]

Manufacturing as well. Porsche can probably start building these tomorrow no problem. They are just letting the beat build.

[CaminoRacer]

Damn that's sexy.

[Payman]

Tesla has a massive trump card... its charging network.

Fuck me if this Porsche isn't gorgeous though. 

[Payman]

I hope it comes with a Ludicrous mode. They should call it Blitzkreig mode. 

[r0tor]

Loved that concept when it came out... Reminds me of my RX8 with rear suicide doors and rear bucket seats 

[MexicoCityM3]

BMW too:

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/bmw-i-vision-dynamics-concept-photos-and-info-news

[Galaxy]

And the 400Volt Infrastructure exists where?

[12,000 RPM]

No need, they can just incorporate a step up transformer. That current draw on the low side will be though

[Galaxy]

No need, they can just incorporate a step up transformer.

A 350kw step up transformer? That is going to be larger then the car.

[Payman]

BMW too:

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/bmw-i-vision-dynamics-concept-photos-and-info-news

Get rid of that goofy B pillar treatment and make the front kidneys smaller, and yeah, that's pretty nice too.

[AutobahnSHO]

Someone should start selling adapters to plug non-Teslas into Tesla charging stations....   

[MrH]

Manufacturing as well. Porsche can probably start building these tomorrow no problem. They are just letting the beat build.

Yeah, they know how to actually launch a car.  So when they say it'll start production in 2 years, it will

Tesla will say it will launch in two years, then delay for another 2.

[Payman]

Someone should start selling adapters to plug non-Teslas into Tesla charging stations....   

Tesla holds the cards with its charging infrastructure. They have a strong case to make their connectors the industry standard, and then install point-of-sale credit card readers to charge a few bucks for non-Tesla users. Pretty sure they planned for this goldmine, and the gov't helped them do it.

[Galaxy]

Tesla holds the cards with its charging infrastructure. They have a strong case to make their connectors the industry standard, and then install point-of-sale credit card readers to charge a few bucks for non-Tesla users. Pretty sure they planned for this goldmine, and the gov't helped them do it.

I am actually surprised this has not happened. It also would not surprise me if a large car manufacturer bought Tesla for their charging network. Or maybe an energy company.

[Payman]

I am actually surprised this has not happened. It also would not surprise me if a large car manufacturer bought Tesla for their charging network. Or maybe an energy company.

The real value in Tesla is indeed their charging network. I don't think they're concerned about Porsche or anyone else for that matter. In fact, they're probably wringing their hands and grinning.

[Payman]

Standardization will come. The government is certainly not going to subsidize another network. For reasons why Musk has been all chummy with this administration... there you go.

[12,000 RPM]

I am actually surprised this has not happened. It also would not surprise me if a large car manufacturer bought Tesla for their charging network. Or maybe an energy company.

That would be brilliant and solve a lot of problems. Shit deal for anyone who has a used non-Tesla EV though. Standardization of batteries and charging protocol would also be awesome (sorry Cougs)

[Galaxy]

Standardization of batteries and charging protocol would also be awesome (sorry Cougs)

They sort of do that in Europe. For vehicles the IEC 62196 Typ 2 has been defined as the standard. Tesla uses a modified version of that, meaning a Tesla can be charged at any Typ 2 charging station, but other other Type2 vehicles can not use the Superchargers. Also US Teslas are not compatible in Europe.

[veeman]

This Porsche prototype is beautiful no doubt but can it do autopilot like a Tesla can in 2 years time?  I think that will continue to be a distinguishing feature between Tesla and everyone else for a while. 

[giant_mtb]

I'd hope somebody buying a Porsche isn't buying it for autopilot.

Nobody outside of Silicon Valley tech bros and city dwellers gives a shit about automation. (yet)

[MexicoCityM3]

I am actually surprised this has not happened. It also would not surprise me if a large car manufacturer bought Tesla for their charging network. Or maybe an energy company.

The slight problem is that today Tesla is already valued higher than most "large car manufacturers".

[93JC]

Tesla holds the cards with its charging infrastructure. They have a strong case to make their connectors the industry standard, and then install point-of-sale credit card readers to charge a few bucks for non-Tesla users. Pretty sure they planned for this goldmine, and the gov't helped them do it.

Worldwide there are far more chargers with CHAdeMO and SAE connectors than Tesla's proprietary one.

[Payman]

Worldwide there are far more chargers with CHAdeMO and SAE connectors than Tesla's proprietary one.

Organized like Tesla's network? Can you drive from Lisbon to St. Petersburg with those chargers mapped out for you? Are they all 20 minutes @ 80%?

[GoCougs]

Standardization on (fast) charging and battery tech will never come on its own, and it will be a bad thing when it does (i.e., through the force of immoral government action), for it will radically slow the pace of innovation.