Yeah, I'd buy this

Started by Payman, September 20, 2017, 07:37:17 AM

93JC

Quote from: Soup DeVille on September 20, 2017, 02:22:12 PM
Could swear I typed Reliant. Autocorrect maybe?

Yeah, that's the ticket. I was autocorrected...

I believe you, Sir Beephe, I really do. My phone often autocorrects 'the' to 'there', 'were' to 'where' (and vice versa), 'thing' to 'thong' and 'remember' to a litany of other words, and it's infuriating.

Soup DeVille

Maybe we need to start off small. I mean, they don't let you fuck the glumpers at Glumpees without a level 4 FuckPass, do they?

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CaminoRacer

If you want a cheap little car like these, you could look into Cycle Karts

http://jalopnik.com/5213293/cyclekarting-extreme-vintage-go-karting
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FoMoJo

Quote from: CaminoRacer on September 20, 2017, 07:01:06 PM
If you want a cheap little car like these, you could look into Cycle Karts

http://jalopnik.com/5213293/cyclekarting-extreme-vintage-go-karting
Now, that's what I would call being an enthusiast.
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There's a video of someone rolling a SlingShot on an autoX course. That killed the idea of ever owning a trike for me.
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MX793

Quote from: MrH on September 21, 2017, 08:15:47 AM
There's a video of someone rolling a SlingShot on an autoX course. That killed the idea of ever owning a trike for me.

FWIW, I've personally seen an older Civic (early 90s) on sticky tires go dangerously high on 2 wheels at an autocross.
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SVT_Power

Quote from: MrH on September 21, 2017, 08:15:47 AM
There's a video of someone rolling a SlingShot on an autoX course. That killed the idea of ever owning a trike for me.

Not autocross, but looks like some sort of IIHS testing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXCq-EuHXHE
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CaminoRacer

Quote from: MX793 on September 21, 2017, 08:30:52 AM
FWIW, I've personally seen an older Civic (early 90s) on sticky tires go dangerously high on 2 wheels at an autocross.

Same. Must be the chassis design.
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MrH

Quote from: SVT_Power on September 21, 2017, 08:32:06 AM
Not autocross, but looks like some sort of IIHS testing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXCq-EuHXHE

Yeah, that's it.  The center of gravity is like an inch off the ground and it still rolled.  That's scary to me.
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Laconian

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r0tor

I really wish we could legislate some crash testing standard exemptions and allow people to take the risks of buying a stripped down simple car.  These 3 wheel loophole cars would be much better with 4 wheels.
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Soup DeVille

Quote from: MrH on September 21, 2017, 12:13:37 PM
Yeah, that's it.  The center of gravity is like an inch off the ground and it still rolled.  That's scary to me.

He had it locked hard left when he rolled too; not like some of the tests where they roll them on purpose and do everything wrong.
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CaminoRacer

Quote from: r0tor on September 21, 2017, 12:22:26 PM
I really wish we could legislate some crash testing standard exemptions and allow people to take the risks of buying a stripped down simple car.  These 3 wheel loophole cars would be much better with 4 wheels.

There is recent legislation that allows boutique manufacturers to sell <500 cars a year without crash testing
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CaminoRacer

Quote from: MrH on September 21, 2017, 12:13:37 PM
Yeah, that's it.  The center of gravity is like an inch off the ground and it still rolled.  That's scary to me.

Makes sense. It started sliding and wanted to shift the weight to the rear corner, which doesn't exist. Tapping the brakes may have helped?
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Payman

Quote from: Laconian on September 21, 2017, 12:20:46 PM
POS

I looked at a Slingshot at the local Polaris dealer awhile back. My ride-on lawnmower has better fit and finish.

MX793

Quote from: CaminoRacer on September 21, 2017, 12:34:43 PM
There is recent legislation that allows boutique manufacturers to sell <500 cars a year without crash testing

I believe they still have to have the necessary safety equipment (like airbags), though.
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Payman

Quote from: MX793 on September 21, 2017, 12:52:54 PM
I believe they still have to have the necessary safety equipment (like airbags), though.

Seatbelts yes, but airbags? I doubt that because it goes against the purpose of the small scale manufacturer legislation. I can't see a small boutique car company having to develop an airbag system for their cars.

Payman

Anyways, why are we talking about autocrossing? Does the little 3-wheeler in the OP look like a fucking autocross machine?  :banghead:

MX793

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Quote from: Rockraven on September 21, 2017, 12:57:25 PM
Seatbelts yes, but airbags? I doubt that because it goes against the purpose of the small scale manufacturer legislation. I can't see a small boutique car company having to develop an airbag system for their cars.

Had to look it up and you're right, all safety standards are waived.  However, the vehicles must be replicas of classic cars, which wouldn't have modern safety gear or meet crash standards if authentic anyway.  So Cobra or 32 Ford hot rod replicas are kosher, but vehicles like the Atom, Mono, or Xbow aren't covered.
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CaminoRacer

Hmm, I thought Hennessey was using that rule to make a new car that isn't a replica.
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MrH

Quote from: MX793 on September 21, 2017, 01:06:45 PM
Had to look it up and you're right, all safety standards are waived.  However, the vehicles must be replicas of classic cars, which wouldn't have modern safety gear or meet crash standards if authentic anyway.  So Cobra or 32 Ford hot rod replicas are kosher, but vehicles like the Atom, Mono, or Xbow aren't covered.

You can get Atoms and Monos street legal though.  I haven't seen a Xbow here though.  Not sure if they install the powertrain here and consider it a kit car or what, but I do know both of those are on the street.

Quote from: CaminoRacer on September 21, 2017, 01:39:19 PM
Hmm, I thought Hennessey was using that rule to make a new car that isn't a replica.

Yes, that's true.
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Payman

Quote from: MX793 on September 21, 2017, 01:06:45 PM
Had to look it up and you're right, all safety standards are waived.  However, the vehicles must be replicas of classic cars, which wouldn't have modern safety gear or meet crash standards if authentic anyway.  So Cobra or 32 Ford hot rod replicas are kosher, but vehicles like the Atom, Mono, or Xbow aren't covered.

Got a link? I think you only read part of the regulation. Pretty sure original low production boutique cars are covered separately.

MX793

Quote from: CaminoRacer on September 21, 2017, 01:39:19 PM
Hmm, I thought Hennessey was using that rule to make a new car that isn't a replica.

Are they selling it as a production car or a kit?
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Payman

https://www.rcnmag.com/news/low-volume-legislation-encapsulation

Explains the legislation pretty well, and it looks like MX is right. Companies like Hennessey, Ariel, etc must have their own way around this, probably something like they sold the incomplete car as allowed by the regs, and then "became" an installer for the powertrain as selected by the purchaser (?).

r0tor

The 500 unit limit also pretty much throws out anything priced cheaply... Which sort of its the point of a stripped down automobile (for me anyway)
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veeman

Hey yeah this is great.  I'd love to drive a car which is a rolling Iron Maiden because I don't value my life or limbs or that of my loved ones.  I mean, that texting 16 year old behind me driving that 6,000 lb SUV would never hit me in this stop and go traffic, right? I like to drive something so basic I feel like I'm one with the road.  And if I get pancaked I'll really be one with the asphalt so it's cool. :wtf:

I get it. I get it.  It's not for me though.

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r0tor

Quote from: veeman on September 21, 2017, 08:06:47 PM
Hey yeah this is great.  I'd love to drive a car which is a rolling Iron Maiden because I don't value my life or limbs or that of my loved ones.  I mean, that texting 16 year old behind me driving that 6,000 lb SUV would never hit me in this stop and go traffic, right? I like to drive something so basic I feel like I'm one with the road.  And if I get pancaked I'll really be one with the asphalt so it's cool. :wtf:

I get it. I get it.  It's not for me though.

It's hard to justify though that I can go out and buy a motorcycle or 3 wheel thing and drive on roads knowingly and willingly taking the risk of having no crash protection... But I can't buy something with 4 wheels and knowingly take that same risk on the same roads.
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CaminoRacer

Sure you can. Buy a '32 Ford.
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veeman

Quote from: r0tor on September 22, 2017, 10:33:42 AM
It's hard to justify though that I can go out and buy a motorcycle or 3 wheel thing and drive on roads knowingly and willingly taking the risk of having no crash protection... But I can't buy something with 4 wheels and knowingly take that same risk on the same roads.

Yes.  A motorcycle is at least more maneuverable and it is obvious that there is no crash protection.  If the  govt allows 4 wheel vehicles with no crash protection, there's nothing to stop the mass market from buying $5,000 new cars and having yearly road fatalities double.  Most cars in many 3rd world countries are rolling Iron Maidens.  That's not a good thing.  These 3 wheel vehicles are very niche and very very low volume.  A new 4 wheel vehicle for $5000 with a new car warranty might be very appealing to a lot of people who struggle to pay rent, put food on the table, and take care of their kids.  A Tata Nano in India costs $2500.  It's good for that market because it's safer than having a family of 4 travel by Vespa which is what a lot of people do.