Electric Charging

[12,000 RPM]

Absolutely. I've lived in Manhattan and Harlan County KY. I'd much more consider a place where you see people all the time more "neighborhoody" than somewhere you can't see your neighbors. There are plenty of block organizations and clubs that get people together here.

[Raza]

But you consider 28k houses a neighborhood?  Do you think a school district is always a neighborhood?  Do you know all of these 28k+ people?  Your definition of a neighborhood is fucked.

My neighborhood is like 350 million people and borders Canada.   

[Morris Minor]

Trying to think of how you'd vandal/thief-proof charging points on streets or in communal parking areas. I think the yobs would lay waste to it all... so you're pretty much SOL unless you have a secured garage or live in a crime-free area. Or go with wireless charging.

[giant_mtb]

Absolutely. I've lived in Manhattan and Harlan County KY. I'd much more consider a place where you see people all the time more "neighborhoody" than somewhere you can't see your neighbors. There are plenty of block organizations and clubs that get people together here.

So you see 28k houses daily and shout "hey neighbor?"

[Soup DeVille]

Trying to think of how you'd vandal/thief-proof charging points on streets or in communal parking areas. I think the yobs would lay waste to it all... so you're pretty much SOL unless you have a secured garage or live in a crime-free area. Or go with wireless charging.

Wireless charging for large batteries across more than a few millimeter gap?

[Soup DeVille]

So you see 28k houses daily and shout "hey neighbor?"

What is he Ned Flanders?

[AutobahnSHO]

Wireless charging for large batteries across more than a few millimeter gap?

yes, look up the bus experiment Utah was doing. 90% efficiency across a foot or more.

http://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=1754251&itype=CMSID

And I saw Korea is taking it even further in googling.

[12,000 RPM]

So you see 28k houses daily and shout "hey neighbor?"

Do you say "hey neighbor" to every house in your neighborhood every day? When did that become the metric?

[12,000 RPM]

Trying to think of how you'd vandal/thief-proof charging points on streets or in communal parking areas. I think the yobs would lay waste to it all... so you're pretty much SOL unless you have a secured garage or live in a crime-free area. Or go with wireless charging.

Tesla supercharger delivers juice at 480VDC.... that should be enough of a deterrent.

High crime areas will probably be the last folks to adopt  to electric cars anyway.

[CaminoRacer]

Absolutely. I've lived in Manhattan and Harlan County KY. I'd much more consider a place where you see people all the time more "neighborhoody" than somewhere you can't see your neighbors. There are plenty of block organizations and clubs that get people together here.

You lived in Harlan County? Now that's hickville!

[giant_mtb]

Do you say "hey neighbor" to every house in your neighborhood every day? When did that become the metric?

No, but I don't consider my neighborhood to be all the houses in my local school district, either.

Regardless, our metrics are totally different.  Just gotta give you shit, mang.

[12,000 RPM]

You lived in Harlan County? Now that's hickville!

A surreal year. I would not go back

[CaminoRacer]

A surreal year. I would not go back

Florence is where it's at.

But I'd rather be in Charlotte. Nicer winters and closer to the beach.

[12,000 RPM]

Also, no widespread poverty or opiate crisis. Well, at least not together across the whole county.

[r0tor]

Do you say "hey neighbor" to every house in your neighborhood every day? When did that become the metric?

Actually, yes everytime I see them

[Tave]

I think the vandalism angle is a bit overblown, especially the for-profit stuff. Sure people steal copper gutters, piping, A/Cs, refrigerators, etc...during smash and grabs or at abandoned property, but they're generally not chopping down power lines or other electrical systems w/ active current. And I don't think it's because they're scared of getting caught. As for the minor mischief of unplugging, eh, maybe get a lock for your home charger, but otherwise just deal. There is nothing stopping a prankster right now from letting the air out of one of your tires, but everyday we wake up and 99.99999999% of ours haven't been touched.

[AutobahnSHO]

Interesting charge comparison chart.

https://evobsession.com/electric-car-charging-capabilities-comparison-of-27-models/

[Morris Minor]

Interesting charge comparison chart.

https://evobsession.com/electric-car-charging-capabilities-comparison-of-27-models/

TL;DR version: It's a mess out there & nobody's going to take EVs seriously until a worldwide standard is in place.

My vote would go to whichever is the fastest and nicest to use.
But of course that's not going to happen.

[Morris Minor]

Early sign of a business description morphing from 'oil company' to the less-specific 'stored energy company' or somesuch?

Shell to open electric vehicle charging points at UK petrol stations
Shell is opening a first wave of electric vehicle charging points at its UK petrol stations, in a sign of the far-reaching changes under way in the transport and oil sectors.

Drivers will be able to recharge 80% of their battery in half an hour at forecourts in London, Surrey and Derby from this week, with a total of 10 service stations to be equipped with rapid chargers by the end of the year.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/oct/18/shell-to-open-electric-vehicle-charging-points-at-uk-petrol-stations

[Laconian]

The writing's on the wall. Better to cannibalize yourself than let somebody else feast on your outdated business model.

[giant_mtb]

Nothing like waiting half an hour for 3/4 of a tank of gas.

[RomanChariot]

Nothing like waiting half an hour for 3/4 of a tank of gas.

That's why the current electric car model doesn't work with the current fuel station model. Fuel stations will have to have large parking lots full of chargers to service large numbers of cars as opposed to 4 to 8 pumps for gas vehicles. Electric car charging will likely require regular stores and restaurants to have chargers so that your car can charge while you shop or eat (this is already starting to happen). It may even work to have neighborhood chargers. I could even see HOAs putting in charging areas.

[giant_mtb]

That's why the current electric car model doesn't work with the current fuel station model. Fuel stations will have to have large parking lots full of chargers to service large numbers of cars as opposed to 4 to 8 pumps for gas vehicles. Electric car charging will likely require regular stores and restaurants to have chargers so that your car can charge while you shop or eat (this is already starting to happen). It may even work to have neighborhood chargers. I could even see HOAs putting in charging areas.

Agreed on all counts.  Charging your car will soon become a lifestyle.

[RomanChariot]

Agreed on all counts.  Charging your car will soon become a lifestyle.

It already is for my co-worker. He charges his Volt with solar power at his home. When he drives to work he parks at Costco about 1.5 miles away and hooks it up to their charger and pulls his bike out to get to work. He then bikes to Costco at lunch time to pick up his car. Rinse and repeat.

[Laconian]

My brother just drives his Bolt to and from work and charges at home. He has enough battery capacity to last an entire work week.

[AutobahnSHO]

My brother just drives his Bolt to and from work and charges at home. He has enough battery capacity to last an entire work week.

this is so much more sane. People will value shorter commutes and/or garages which offer charging.

[Laconian]

You could comfortably have a really long commute on the Bolt's battery.

Not Char though, he burns an entire tank of gas a day. (RIP Earth)

[12,000 RPM]

My brother just drives his Bolt to and from work and charges at home. He has enough battery capacity to last an entire work week.

Exactly. We already have the charging infrastructure in our homes. The only hurdle is in apartment complexes, but once this shit reaches critical mass they will find a solution for that.

[CaminoRacer]

I've seen quite a few Tesla chargers at restaurants just off the highway. That's how you do it

[r0tor]

I think at some point they will add supercapacitor bank to the traditional battery.  The capacitor bank could be useful for small mileage trips but recharge extremely quickly.