If true, BMW has fully lost the plot

Started by 12,000 RPM, February 13, 2018, 10:56:57 AM

Raza

Quote from: 2o6 on February 17, 2018, 04:14:44 PM
The thing I said that Raza side stepped



The FRZ and BRZ look the goddamn same. They're made in the same production line. Most of the interior body stampings are the same.



It's like calling the Dodge Neon a piece of shit, but happlily buying a Plymouth Neon. They look the goddamn same.

Dealership experience was undoubtedly different between the two.

Also, I didn't sidestep anything. You said you couldn't tell apart. You didn't address anything to me.
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Quote from: the Teuton on October 05, 2009, 03:53:18 PM
It's impossible to argue with Raza. He wins. Period. End of discussion.

Raza

Quote from: Soup DeVille on February 17, 2018, 07:08:43 PM
A major one I could think of is that all Pontiac dealers I ever dealt with were absolute jackasses.

Absolutely.
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Quote from: the Teuton on October 05, 2009, 03:53:18 PM
It's impossible to argue with Raza. He wins. Period. End of discussion.

12,000 RPM

Quote from: Raza  on February 18, 2018, 07:52:07 PM
Dealership experience was undoubtedly different between the two.
You are grasping at straws. Scion doesn't exist anymore, so you'd be taking your FR-S to a Toyota dealership. Subaru is a run of the mill mainstream dealer like Toyota. The idea that the FR-S and BRZ have different dealership experiences is ridiculous.
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MX793

All of the former Scion dealers here we're also Toyota dealership, so I'd expect the dealer experience was the same between the brands.
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2o6

The dealership experience WAS the same. There weren't any dedicated Scion guys, usually just a Kiosk with the Scion moniker, and a dusty desk. The Scion guy would also sell you a Corolla if you wanted one.

12,000 RPM

The Scion guy definitely did sell Corollas over Scions, as the end of the Scion story indicated :lol:

I think the nightmare of the mainstream dealership is overblown. I could see something like a Mitsubishi dealer being hell, but a Toyota dealership in a good neighborhood? As long as the service department is on the up and up I don't see the issue.
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2o6

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 19, 2018, 10:01:26 AM
The Scion guy definitely did sell Corollas over Scions, as the end of the Scion story indicated :lol:

I think the nightmare of the mainstream dealership is overblown. I could see something like a Mitsubishi dealer being hell, but a Toyota dealership in a good neighborhood? As long as the service department is on the up and up I don't see the issue.

I think a lot of dealerships really improved in the 2000's. Markedly improved dealership experience among all brands made stuff like Saturn redundant.

Raza

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 19, 2018, 08:58:16 AM
You are grasping at straws. Scion doesn't exist anymore, so you'd be taking your FR-S to a Toyota dealership. Subaru is a run of the mill mainstream dealer like Toyota. The idea that the FR-S and BRZ have different dealership experiences is ridiculous.

Not grasping at straws, I was clearly talking about when Scion still existed.
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Quote from: the Teuton on October 05, 2009, 03:53:18 PM
It's impossible to argue with Raza. He wins. Period. End of discussion.

12,000 RPM

Doesn't matter... Scion dealership = a kiosk in a Toyota dealership. You are acting like Subaru is Bentley
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Raza

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 21, 2018, 05:36:10 AM
Doesn't matter... Scion dealership = a kiosk in a Toyota dealership. You are acting like Subaru is Bentley

Well, I can't refute that because I've only been to one Scion dealership and I don't remember if it was also a Toyota dealership, but it probably was. 

Doesn't change the overall argument though. 
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Quote from: the Teuton on October 05, 2009, 03:53:18 PM
It's impossible to argue with Raza. He wins. Period. End of discussion.

2o6

There weren't any standalone Scion dealerships.

Raza

Quote from: 2o6 on February 21, 2018, 07:54:07 AM
There weren't any standalone Scion dealerships.

Okay, so you got me on one minor thing. Woohoo.
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Quote from: the Teuton on October 05, 2009, 03:53:18 PM
It's impossible to argue with Raza. He wins. Period. End of discussion.

12,000 RPM

That was the whole thing actually. The dealership experience between Scion and Subaru is the same. Your obsession with brands is completely irrational
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2o6

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 21, 2018, 09:28:50 AM
That was the whole thing actually. The dealership experience between Scion and Subaru is the same. Your obsession with brands is completely irrational


This.



Raza

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on February 21, 2018, 09:28:50 AM
That was the whole thing actually. The dealership experience between Scion and Subaru is the same. Your obsession with brands is completely irrational

That certainly isn't the case between Toyota and Subaru, based on my experience. 
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Quote from: the Teuton on October 05, 2009, 03:53:18 PM
It's impossible to argue with Raza. He wins. Period. End of discussion.

giant_mtb

Quote from: Raza  on February 27, 2018, 04:21:40 PM
That certainly isn't the case between Toyota and Subaru, based on my experience. 

When did you own a Toyota?  Or a Subaru? 

AutobahnSHO

Quote from: cawimmer430 on February 17, 2018, 12:16:22 PM
What's my image if I were to drive this stunning piece of 1970s American engineering and quality design?  :praise:




certifiable crazy  :nutty:
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AutobahnSHO

BTW I wouldn't have bought an FR-S but now that they have the ALL NEW Toyota 86 I'd consider one.

If I ever bought new cars.

Nah, nevermind- it's a Subaru so I'd just buy that.

https://www.toyota.com/86/

https://www.autotrader.com/car-reviews/2016-scion-fr-s-vs-2017-toyota-86-whats-the-difference-258124
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Raza

Quote from: giant_mtb on February 27, 2018, 07:54:12 PM
When did you own a Toyota?  Or a Subaru?

I've shopped for both. You don't have to own one to experience the dealership.
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Quote from: the Teuton on October 05, 2009, 03:53:18 PM
It's impossible to argue with Raza. He wins. Period. End of discussion.

Raza

Quote from: AutobahnSHO on February 28, 2018, 08:17:46 AM
BTW I wouldn't have bought an FR-S but now that they have the ALL NEW Toyota 86 I'd consider one.

If I ever bought new cars.

Nah, nevermind- it's a Subaru so I'd just buy that.

https://www.toyota.com/86/

https://www.autotrader.com/car-reviews/2016-scion-fr-s-vs-2017-toyota-86-whats-the-difference-258124

Lol what's wrong with you dude? Why do you stay up all night worried about image, bro? Who cares if something has a badge that worked hard to associate itself with backwards hat wearing white teenagers, bruh? IF YOU THINK ABOUT IMAGE EVER YOU ARE A MARKETING SLAVE! I don't care about image. Get on my level. Everyone knows image doesn't matter. If you care about anything a little less than I do, you're callous and clueless and oblivious. If you care about anything slightly more than I do, it literally consumes your every thought until you're paralyzed because you care about it so much!
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Quote from: the Teuton on October 05, 2009, 03:53:18 PM
It's impossible to argue with Raza. He wins. Period. End of discussion.

12,000 RPM

Damn, definitely triggered. My bad man.

Maybe you just found a bad Toyota dealer and a good Subaru dealer :huh: In any case, still grasping at straws.
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Raza

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on March 02, 2018, 06:13:02 AM
Damn, definitely triggered. My bad man.

Maybe you just found a bad Toyota dealer and a good Subaru dealer :huh: In any case, still grasping at straws.

Maybe that's the case.  Image still matters.  That's why companies spend billions in advertising and cultivating their image.

It's not being triggered when you act like this all the time, in every thread.  It's being fed up.  Put your money where your mouth is and trade your luxury branded Nissan in for a minivan, if you really feel like image isn't a big deal to you.  Until then, this argument is circular, tiring, and annoying.  If you don't like that I'm aware of how image affects people and you remain in a world of willful ignorance about your own image hang ups, just skip my posts whenever the issue comes up.  If you want to keep filling the internet with this pointless argument, then keep going.  As I've said before, I'm not going to apologize for accepting something that everyone wishes to fool themselves over. 
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Quote from: the Teuton on October 05, 2009, 03:53:18 PM
It's impossible to argue with Raza. He wins. Period. End of discussion.

2o6

Maybe if you had stronger examples I would be more on your side. Comparing a BRZ and FRS when they're 95% the same car is fucking silly.

2o6

Also having worked at several multi-brand dealerships, all the salesman would easily sell you a Cruze, Taurus, Elantra, Sierra, or whatever the fuck you wanted (or thought they could push you in). That has nothing to do with brand at all. No one buying a new car really gives a shit.

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I am nominating this thread for "Thread with the most boring twist into discussion 2018¨. One of our greatest hits for sure.
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12,000 RPM

Real life, if you are doing it right, is very interesting. I don't have much appetite or bandwidth to fantasize over exotics and the like that have no relevance to my life or bank account.

Plus all business is very interesting. The whole process of selling/buying a car is pretty intricate. There's a lot to talk about.
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giant_mtb

Quote from: Raza  on March 02, 2018, 05:21:36 AM
I've shopped for both. You don't have to own one to experience the dealership.

Fair enough!