What would you sell?

[MexicoCityM3]

Why would you consider selling any of them?  Keep them all and get the 911, leverage is your friend.

Cash for the toys. Leverage for appreciating assets.

[Raza]

The 911 will be a much better daily driver than the GT4.

Why does that matter when he has the 1M to drive daily?

[68_427]

911T > 1M as well.

[Raza]

911T > 1M as well.

Certainly not as a daily driver. Or something he can stick the kids into in a pinch.

[12,000 RPM]

911T is pointless

Reminds me of the chowderheads who would take the power steering and air conditioning out of their Accords. No you don't have a race car now, just an uncomfortable family sedan.

C2 with smartly chosen options is
- faster and more practical than GT4 at sea level or up high, and more accessible (it would be 3/3 yours)
- faster & (IMO) better looking than 1M
- more reliable than E60 M5 (look up rod S65/85 rod bearing fun)
- sportier + faster than bone stock E46 M3

I imagine you have a caretaker for the kids + wifey stays home? So you probably won't need a rear facing infant seat in your car, and the 1M/E46 would be a PITA to load into anyway. X5 + 911 + used 740i (look up N63 reliability issues) would be a solid garage

[68_427]

911T is pointless

Reminds me of the chowderheads who would take the power steering and air conditioning out of their Accords. No you don't have a race car now, just an uncomfortable family sedan.

Not the same thing.  The 911T just adds performance options you can't even get on the C2.  You lose hardly any luxury besides thinner rear glass and the cloth door pulls, but you can get rear wheel steering, it has a shorter final drive, pasm, sport Chrono etc

[Xer0]

Not the same thing.  The 911T just adds performance options you can't even get on the C2.  You lose hardly any luxury besides thinner rear glass and the cloth door pulls, but you can get rear wheel steering, it has a shorter final drive, pasm, sport Chrono etc

This is just him coming to terms with his young, ricer self.  Its a process.

[Lebowski]

Joking aside, if I were in your shoes and you can afford it I think it makes sense to get the 911.  But in doing so I would meaningfully shrink/streamline your fleet. Sharing a car with "partners" sounds miserable, as does not being able to keep/store the car at my own place.  So I'd get out of the GT4 if you can.

Taking the cars in your sig:

'05 M3 E46 6SPD Mystic Blue
'08 M5 E60 SMG  Space Grey
'11 1M E82 6SPD Sapphire Black
'16 GT4 (1/3rd Share lol)
'16 X5 5.0i (Wife)
'14 MINI Cooper Countryman S Automatic (For Sale)

I'd get the 911 and:

- Keep the X5 (wife car, no reason to change until she comes to realize the CRV is better)
- Sell the mini
- Get out of the GT4. Don't share a car again.
- Of the three M cars, I would either a) pick a favorite and sell the other two, or b) sell all three and replace with a single reasonable / practical / reliable daily driver or alternative when you need more space than the 911 has (if you're going to daily drive the 911).

[AutobahnSHO]

ha made it off the first page without mentioning CRV.   

Me personally knowing virtually nothing about most of your cars:

Sell E46, sell E60, sell Mini.

Keep GT4 for track funz
Keep 1M for daily drive
Keep X5 (happy wife)
Buy the 911 just because.


But until I get more motivated to go out and kill it like you are, I'm paying child support, saving for retirement, keeping Odyssey and Impreza, and next year either getting newer Oddysey or a cheap Miata.

[Payman]

Yeah, get out of the GT4 threesome. I myself can't see having any emotional attachment to a car (or woman) I'm sharing with 2 other guys.

[Galaxy]

Also, while I'm happy to see the word "manual", yellow has to be the one colour that doesn't work for a 911, IMHO. The exception might be the darker hued RUF "Yellow Bird".

Personally I think the 911 works with snappy colors. This yellow, and miami blue look awesome imo.

[MexicoCityM3]

The E60 is the front runner to go. I like it a lot but in that car's case it's true that it is a ticking time bomb. Locally in Leon I doubt that I can find someone to fix it if it breaks (except the dealer at top dollar). It has 72,000 km which is still low but rod bearings have to be replaced preemptively at 100,000km at the latest and who knows when that SMG is going to start playing up again.

The MINI is next because it is redundant with the X5.

The E46 would be the next choice for similar, but less dramatic reasons than the E60. It needs a cooling system overhaul already. The difference with the E60 is that it is a goddam blast to drive around on public roads. The sound, throttle response, and handling are great for sporty driving in regular roads. I am also more attached to it since it was my first really good car that I bought new. They are also much rarer here than in the US and it is appreciating.

The 1M is a collectible. It also is a blast to drive and is appreciating.

A less radical option is to simply get a 997 911 and just sell the E60. That's a much smaller expense. I'll later post some options.

And finally, to getting out of the GT4: definitely. Sharing experiment over. But that will take some careful negotiating and it is not worth a fight of any kind to get out, so not sure it can be done.

[CaminoRacer]

Is the 1M more of a collectible than the E46?

[Payman]

And finally, to getting out of the GT4: definitely. Sharing experiment over. But that will take some careful negotiating and it is not worth a fight of any kind to get out, so not sure it can be done.

You guys didn't plan for this possibility at the outset?

[MexicoCityM3]

Is the 1M more of a collectible than the E46?

Yeah. Much, much more limited production worldwide. Like less than 4,000 units vs several tens of thousands. Locally the E46 is rare and becoming rarer because most have been abused/crashed/run into the ground. But still the 1M is rarer. I think less than 70 in all Mexico.

The Carrera T I guess would be also somewhat collectible. Not like the GT cars by any means but better than all "normal" Carreras.

[12,000 RPM]

I think the T will follow the regular 911 depreciation curve

Used + loaded 991.2 C2S is the best 991. 997 will wheeze at altitude

[MexicoCityM3]

You guys didn't plan for this possibility at the outset?

No. Mistake, but small one. I am entwined with my partner in things several orders of magnitude more complex than this. He is a great partner. Part of the problem is me moving to Leon but mostly that I have lost quite a bit of interest in trackdays. With fatherhood my priorities have changed, willingly. The GT4 is a very bad car to use in Mexico for anything other than the track. Suspension is too rough, the car is too exotic looking. Even just driving it to Leon so that I can park it here isn't that nice (I've had it here for a few weeks a couple of times). If I was interested in impressing 20 year old girls, maybe. But even that probably wouldn't work on millenials.

So, a decision I made in a different time of life, with different priorities. Fortunately it isn't that expensive. But if I can, I'll get out.

[MexicoCityM3]

I think the T will follow the regular 911 depreciation curve

Used + loaded 991.2 C2S is the best 991. 997 will wheeze at altitude

No. 991.2 C2S hasn't depreciated almost anything. I'd rather get the T for the same money new and specced to my liking.

And a 997S doesn't wheeze. It's powerful and light enough to handle the altitude. They are faster than my 1M at the track.

[Payman]

No. Mistake, but small one. I am entwined with my partner in things several orders of magnitude more complex than this. He is a great partner. Part of the problem is me moving to Leon but mostly that I have lost quite a bit of interest in trackdays. With fatherhood my priorities have changed, willingly. The GT4 is a very bad car to use in Mexico for anything other than the track. Suspension is too rough, the car is too exotic looking. Even just driving it to Leon so that I can park it here isn't that nice (I've had it here for a few weeks a couple of times). If I was interested in impressing 20 year old girls, maybe. But even that probably wouldn't work on millenials.

So, a decision I made in a different time of life, with different priorities. Fortunately it isn't that expensive. But if I can, I'll get out.

What if one of you got hit by a bus?

[MexicoCityM3]

What if one of you got hit by a bus?

Rolled off a cliff while miraculously jumping off before it goes over? 

[cawimmer430]

The question is not what should you sell, the question is what should you get.

The answer is...

[AutobahnSHO]

The question is not what should you sell, the question is what should you get.

The answer is...

That's a boring red. I know boring sells but such a sweet ride deserves something bold.

[Lebowski]

Why does that matter when he has will have the 1M CRV to drive daily?

[MexicoCityM3]

A few interesting choices at savings of 30-60% of a new Carrera T:

https://auto.mercadolibre.com.mx/MLM-610405199-porsche-911-carrera-s-2011-_JM

https://auto.mercadolibre.com.mx/MLM-612069443-porsche-911-carrera-4s-2006-_JM

https://auto.mercadolibre.com.mx/MLM-615297060-porsche-911-30-carrera-coupe-mt-_JM

https://auto.mercadolibre.com.mx/MLM-609285994-porsche-911-carrera-gts-carrera-coupe-_JM

https://auto.mercadolibre.com.mx/MLM-613492236-porsche-911-4s-_JM

[Raza]

A few interesting choices at savings of 30-60% of a new Carrera T:

https://auto.mercadolibre.com.mx/MLM-610405199-porsche-911-carrera-s-2011-_JM

https://auto.mercadolibre.com.mx/MLM-612069443-porsche-911-carrera-4s-2006-_JM

https://auto.mercadolibre.com.mx/MLM-615297060-porsche-911-30-carrera-coupe-mt-_JM

https://auto.mercadolibre.com.mx/MLM-609285994-porsche-911-carrera-gts-carrera-coupe-_JM

https://auto.mercadolibre.com.mx/MLM-613492236-porsche-911-4s-_JM

First one.

[MexicoCityM3]

Got an email from the P-car dealer today.

They have a white 911 Carrera T available for 1'844,000 pesos (90K at today's exchange rate). It has only few and the right options mostly: Bose sound, sport chrono, rear park assist, Carrera T interior in contrasting yellow. Manuel of course!

I had moved this to the "didn´t happen" column. Tempting again. Reasonable ways economically are these:

- Sell 1M, get T
- Sell E60M5 + MINI + E46, Get Hilux, T

Keep the financial advice to a minimum. Thoughts?

[12,000 RPM]

Why would you say to keep finanical advice to a minimum? Now that is going to be the pivot point of the whole discussion

Personally, I think I could drive a 991.2 C2 for the rest of my life. You still have the X5 right? I would sell everything- 1M, M5, MINI, E46- and get the T, along with a stout track day policy (****). Maybe keep the M3 to retain your BMW Club membership, but beyond that I would sell the farm for a damn 991.2 if it made sense financially. Having a bunch of cars is a PITA in my experience anyway and if there's any car that can do it all it's the 991.2.

[Raza]

Sell the E60, Mini, and E46, put all the money into a mutual fund, never do anything fun, don't enjoy yourself, live like a monk, and hope that you can retire one day earlier than you would have.

[CaminoRacer]

Sell the M5 and Mini if you buy the 911 or not.

I haven't driven a 1M so I'm not sure if I'd rather keep that or the E46 M3. Or if I'd rather have both over a 911 T. Tough choice.

[MrH]

I haven't driven a 1M either, but I've driven a heavily modified 135i.  If it's even remotely the same experience, I'd drop it in a heart beat for a 911.

I'd get out of GT4, Mini, E46, E60, and 1M, keep the X5 for the wife, get a boring 528i for the daily grind, get the 911.  Truck if you have money left over and feel like it, but I'd probably pass.