The Official Mustang Thread

[12,000 RPM]

I6s used to sound good. Now they sound like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3tiWsTQhpE

For reference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlUZ5saeY_4

[68_427]

The M2 actually sounds really good.  No idea what Sporty is on about

I prefer how the GM cars sound, but it's not at all out of the realm of possibility that someone could prefer the M2.

From r0tor's favorite guy ever:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yOtQJbYFUk

[MX793]

Even some of the later, NA I6 BMWs don't sound so great.  S52s and S54s have this metallic rasp that's not particularly pleasant.

[68_427]

S52s and S54s have this metallic rasp that's not particularly pleasant.

They do, luckily the M2 has neither

[r0tor]

The M2 actually sounds really good.  No idea what Sporty is on about

I prefer how the GM cars sound, but it's not at all out of the realm of possibility that someone could prefer the M2.

From r0tor's favorite guy ever:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yOtQJbYFUk

Someone needs to tell YouTube bro that after the apex you should be unwinding the wheel to corner exit, not adding more lock until the tires squeel in a feeble attempt to sound cool 

[CaminoRacer]

Camaro and Mustang are two of the best drivers cars by anyone's measure. Idk what you're on about. Someone piss in your Cheerios today?

[r0tor]

If you appreciate big heavy cars that are more sledgehammer then surgical knife... Then sure they are great drivers cars

[MX793]

The M235 isn't exactly a featherweight, particularly considering the size of it's footprint.

The pony cars have come a long way, particularly in their most recent iterations.  They aren't the clumsy, ill-balanced, straight-line focused machines they used to be.  Pity some are too closed-minded to see past 20 year old stereotypes that they use to judge cars they've never driven.

[r0tor]

They are not in the same league as the relatively short wheel based M2 for sheer feelings of adjustability and playfulness ... Much better then past boats, but still a hell of a long way away from being a nimble and fun track car

[MX793]

They are not in the same league as the relatively short wheel based M2 for sheer feelings of adjustability and playfulness ... Much better then past boats, but still a hell of a long way away from being a nimble and fun track car

You've driven the newest Mustangs and Camaros on a track?

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

They are not in the same league as the relatively short wheel based M2 for sheer feelings of adjustability and playfulness ... Much better then past boats, but still a hell of a long way away from being a nimble and fun track car

[r0tor]

You've driven the newest Mustangs and Camaros on a track?

You've driven an M2 on a track?

[giant_mtb]

You've driven an M2 on a track?

Not the point.

[MX793]

You've driven an M2 on a track?

Have I made any claims about the way the M2 drives?

[r0tor]

Have I made any claims about the way the M2 drives?

You seem to know that the pony cars have closed the gap.

They still drive like large cars on a track from my experience from about 4 or so years ago. They may have closed the gap to something like an M3/M4 and be fairly competent, but in terms of sheer driver enjoyment that level is a far cry from a M2

[68_427]

It would be interesting if MT didn't pull the M2 from best driver's car as that would have put it directly up against the V8 1LE which was in the test as well.

[12,000 RPM]

Well, the V6 1LE beat the M2 in the leftovers competition, so there's that....

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/fiat/124-spider/2017/chevrolet-camaro-1le-bmw-m2-ford-focus-rs-fiat-124-spider-abarth-porsche-718-boxster-s-toyota-86/

Plus the fact that the M2 was in the leftovers rather than the main event doesn't speak well of it vs the SS. This isn't to say the M2 is bad... but the SS 1LE finished 4th out of 12, and the GT350R finished 2nd. I think MT is far removed from the days that it would crown something like a Chevy Citation COTY. And the pony cars def have their flaws. But it does seem like the V8 ones are in a league above the M2 in driving experience.

For my money, I don't know. I like smaller cars and 6 bangers over V8s. But if one is in the market for an M2 I think it's irresponsible to not check out the SS 1LE and GT350, or even the plain jane GT with the performance pack. FFS, Mustang is the top selling sports coupe in Germany. We can't deny these cars anymore.

[68_427]

Well, the V6 1LE beat the M2 in the leftovers competition, so there's that....

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/fiat/124-spider/2017/chevrolet-camaro-1le-bmw-m2-ford-focus-rs-fiat-124-spider-abarth-porsche-718-boxster-s-toyota-86/

Plus the fact that the M2 was in the leftovers rather than the main event doesn't speak well of it vs the SS. This isn't to say the M2 is bad... but the SS 1LE finished 4th out of 12, and the GT350R finished 2nd. I think MT is far removed from the days that it would crown something like a Chevy Citation COTY. And the pony cars def have their flaws. But it does seem like the V8 ones are in a league above the M2 in driving experience.

For my money, I don't know. I like smaller cars and 6 bangers over V8s. But if one is in the market for an M2 I think it's irresponsible to not check out the SS 1LE and GT350, or even the plain jane GT with the performance pack. FFS, Mustang is the top selling sports coupe in Germany. We can't deny these cars anymore.

The M2 beat the V6 1LE in head to head though... but even still that shows how close those cars are, and the V8 1LE annihilates the V6 is basically every way.

[MX793]

The M2 beat the V6 1LE in head to head though... but even still that shows how close those cars are, and the V8 1LE annihilates the V6 is basically every way.

I think that win largely came down to the lap time.  Given that it's considerably more powerful, the M2 simply blew the LT1LE away down the straights.  They were pretty evenly matched in the corners, with the Camaro perhaps making up some ground.

[68_427]

I think that win largely came down to the lap time.  Given that it's considerably more powerful, the M2 simply blew the LT1LE away down the straights.  They were pretty evenly matched in the corners, with the Camaro perhaps making up some ground.

You're right.  It seems the performance car head2head comparisons usually come down to lap times.

[CaminoRacer]

IDK why, but Coyotes are garbage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFkOy0F5hGg

[FoMoJo]

IDK why, but Coyotes are garbage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFkOy0F5hGg

Obviously, they don't know how to build a Coyote engine...http://www.enginelabs.com/news/livernois-motorsports-builds-600-rwhp-na-coyote-for-road-racing/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRY5E7k0ivo

[CaminoRacer]

For what, $20,000?

[12,000 RPM]

A 600whp NA LS would probably cost the same

[CaminoRacer]

$15k

https://www.mastmotorsports.com/collections/550-649hp/products/ls3-416-ss-crate-engine-605hp

https://www.lingenfelter.com/product/L130245306.html

[FoMoJo]

$15k

https://www.mastmotorsports.com/collections/550-649hp/products/ls3-416-ss-crate-engine-605hp

https://www.lingenfelter.com/product/L130245306.html

RWHP? 

[GoCougs]

More than 12 years ago the LS7 at ~550 hp was but a small cam upgrade away from the 585 hp obtained on pump gas (it took a tune and 114 octane race gas to get 600 hp).

And let's not forget the LS motor is smaller, lighter, less complicated and unlike that heavily customized Coyote, warrantied and 100% daily driveable.

The Coyotes aren't "garbage" but for ~25 years Ford has been unable to fully tap OHC potential, and has thus been playing second fiddle to the GM pooprod.

[FoMoJo]

More than 12 years ago the LS7 at ~550 hp was but a small cam upgrade away from the 585 hp obtained on pump gas (it took a tune and 114 octane race gas to get 600 hp).

And let's not forget the LS motor is smaller, lighter, less complicated and unlike that heavily customized Coyote, warrantied and 100% daily driveable.

The Coyotes aren't "garbage" but for ~25 years Ford has been unable to fully tap OHC potential, and has thus been playing second fiddle to the GM pooprod.

Sure, but it's 7 litres.  7 litre engines were putting out over 600 bhp in the '60s.

[CaminoRacer]

More than 12 years ago the LS7 at ~550 hp was but a small cam upgrade away from the 585 hp obtained on pump gas (it took a tune and 114 octane race gas to get 600 hp).

And let's not forget the LS motor is smaller, lighter, less complicated and unlike that heavily customized Coyote, warrantied and 100% daily driveable.

The Coyotes aren't "garbage" but for ~25 years Ford has been unable to fully tap OHC potential, and has thus been playing second fiddle to the GM pooprod.

Lingenfelter has 650 hp LS7 crate engines, on pump gas.

The garbage comment was just to rile up any Coyote fans. It's a good engine, but I was surprised at its (lack of) performance in that video.

[CaminoRacer]

For a mere $35k you can get this: https://www.mastmotorsports.com/collections/750-hp/products/dart-466-black-label-race-engine