Deciding whether to keep or dump QX56

Started by veeman, April 17, 2020, 11:38:19 AM

Soup DeVille

Quote from: giant_mtb on May 28, 2020, 07:37:57 PM
Fair enough, but predictability is a factor.  On an older vehicle, you may never know when something will pop up, and some people just don't want to deal with that uncertainty.

Me and you are lucky...our high-miles Japanese vehicles are going strong.  Taco is at 194k miles with no major issues (fingers crossed). :lol:

You can try to stack the cards, but sometimes that doesn't matter.

My wife has always driven newish cars- I've always had the old ones.

Currently, the 208,000 mile 2002 LC is at the same number of breakdowns as the 2018 Durango at 40,000 miles, and a quarter of the days out of service.

The previous Acadia didn't fair much better; dropping a transmission on her twice.

But, I did have a vehicle burst into flames on me, so there's that...
Maybe we need to start off small. I mean, they don't let you fuck the glumpers at Glumpees without a level 4 FuckPass, do they?

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giant_mtb

For sure. It's never a for-sure thing with a newer vehicle.  But at least with a new-vehicle lease, things are covered under warranty to a point. Doesn't speak to down time without the vehicle, though, and that's a big factor.

I'm lucky that I have a professional mechanic for a best friend that also has a Taco like mine so he knows them in and out.  I buy parts and some beers for the garage...we get things done.

MX793

Quote from: Soup DeVille on May 28, 2020, 07:50:40 PM

Currently, the 208,000 mile 2002 LC is at the same number of breakdowns as the 2018 Durango at 40,000 miles, and a quarter of the days out of service.


To be fair, you're comparing a Toyota product to a FCX product.
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veeman

Yeah Soup's and MX793's thoughts are completely where I'm thinking.  It'd be different if it was my daily driver to work and I have to deal with a break down by myself or car in the shop for an unscheduled repair.  It's that it's my wife's daily driver, her commute is 40 minutes long each way, and it's our long distance road trip car.  The car still "feels" solid though unlike my Buick Enclave (same architecture as Soup's Acadia) which felt all used up around 100 thousand miles and 5 to 6 years old.  Still a 7 year old winter salt road car with 100,000 miles is a bit tired.  Things break, rust out, fray, etc.   

I could get the same car I currently have except only 3 years old with < 15 thousand miles on the odometer  for great great deals right now.

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=534967843&zip=06883&referrer=%2Fcars-for-sale%2Fsearchresults.xhtml%3Fzip%3D06883%26listingTypes%3DCERTIFIED%26startYear%3D2017%26maxMileage%3D30000%26sortBy%3DderivedpriceASC%26incremental%3Dall%26firstRecord%3D0%26marketExtension%3Doff%26modelCodeList%3DINFINQX80%26makeCodeList%3DINFIN%26searchRadius%3D75%26isNewSearch%3Dtrue&listingTypes=CERTIFIED&startYear=2017&numRecords=25&firstRecord=0&modelCodeList=INFINQX80&makeCodeList=INFIN&searchRadius=75&makeCode1=INFIN&modelCode1=INFINQX80&clickType=listing

veeman

True it's a great deal because it's ugly, a gas hog, from a floundering brand, with an ancient electronic interface. 

But I like it  :lol:

veeman

#35
When I bought my car it was certified, 3 years old, and had 20 thousand miles on the odometer.  It was way more expensive than what I'm seeing now on autotrader for certified, 3 year old, similar mileage same model cars.  Now they're like 10-15 grand cheaper. 

Soup DeVille

Quote from: MX793 on May 28, 2020, 09:42:29 PM
To be fair, you're comparing a Toyota product to a FCX product.

I am.

But, also a Ford to a GM, and Honda to Honda. Aaand, Honda to Honda again I guess.

All I'm saying is that buying a new car isn't a guarantee of a problem free experience.  With the old cars, I've basically known what to expect and rolled with the punches when I didn't. With the new cars, I get pissed and gnash my teeth.
Maybe we need to start off small. I mean, they don't let you fuck the glumpers at Glumpees without a level 4 FuckPass, do they?

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CaminoRacer

Quote from: Soup DeVille on May 28, 2020, 10:39:32 PM
I am.

But, also a Ford to a GM, and Honda to Honda. Aaand, Honda to Honda again I guess.

All I'm saying is that buying a new car isn't a guarantee of a problem free experience.  With the old cars, I've basically known what to expect and rolled with the punches when I didn't. With the new cars, I get pissed and gnash my teeth.

I'm like that too. Except my definition of old is pre-1980 and so even my 180k Mazda6 falls in my "newer car that shouldn't break" category and I gnash my teeth.
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Soup DeVille

Quote from: CaminoRacer on May 29, 2020, 09:12:59 AM
I'm like that too. Except my definition of old is pre-1980 and so even my 180k Mazda6 falls in my "newer car that shouldn't break" category and I gnash my teeth.

An older car for me is anything over 12 years. Consumer's Reports say the average car service life is about 8 years. The average age of cars on the road is 11 years.

Anything older than that, and one should expect some problems.
Maybe we need to start off small. I mean, they don't let you fuck the glumpers at Glumpees without a level 4 FuckPass, do they?

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CaminoRacer

Quote from: Soup DeVille on May 29, 2020, 10:44:55 AM
An older car for me is anything over 12 years. Consumer's Reports say the average car service life is about 8 years. The average age of cars on the road is 11 years.

Anything older than that, and one should expect some problems.

I agree, it's just an irrational thing in my mind. And I still think it's like 2010 so a 2004 car is still fairly new!
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giant_mtb

Shit, I get excited when I see a car from 2004 in good shape.  2004 Grand Prix with that beautiful plastic cladding down the side, not rusted out and beat to fuck by some kid?? Holy shit!

Soup DeVille

Quote from: giant_mtb on May 29, 2020, 10:55:57 AM
Shit, I get excited when I see a car from 2004 in good shape.  2004 Grand Prix with that beautiful plastic cladding down the side, not rusted out and beat to fuck by some kid?? Holy shit!

I get excited if I see a Grand Am where the taillights work.
Maybe we need to start off small. I mean, they don't let you fuck the glumpers at Glumpees without a level 4 FuckPass, do they?

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Eye of the Tiger

Quote from: giant_mtb on May 29, 2020, 10:55:57 AM
Shit, I get excited when I see a car from 2004 in good shape.  2004 Grand Prix with that beautiful plastic cladding down the side, not rusted out and beat to fuck by some kid?? Holy shit!

I actually like those ... sportsy boats. The interior is comfy, and with the 3800 there isn't much to worry aboot.

Quote from: Soup DeVille on May 29, 2020, 11:24:29 AM
I get excited if I see a Grand Am where the taillights work.

:lol:
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giant_mtb

Friend of mine in HS had a really nice dark green Riviera with the s/c 3.8. What a fuckin nice whip to cruise as a couple of teenagers. He kept it nice, too.

AutobahnSHO

I have a theory that if you buy a car more than 100k miles in good condition, it's going to last.

1- Lots of cars get totalled (most by people who can't drive?)
2- If it's at that many miles, whoever drove it usually took care of it.
3- Lemons die earlier and/or they get the major issues finally taken care of.

Now obviously there are too many factors to take into consideration.

I went minivan shopping in 2005 and found a small lot that specialized in 3-8yr old Chrysler minivans. That's literally all they had! In our price range (about $5k). Ex wanted a purple one, it was cold out that day but I moved a car seat and booster into the purple one so the whole family could take a test drive. Steering was SUPER wobbly, heater never blew hot (after it warmed up), and CEL. I told the dealer and they tried to say tire must be low, gotta let it warm up, and gas cap might be loose.

Didn't want to waste the drive so asked about a different one- ex was ok just letting me drive it. 1999 Dodge Grand Caravan sport, bought it and drove quite well except for major rear a/c repair until I totaled it 4 years later. :cry: 

Anyway, lemons are lemons but the higher mileage ones are "broken in" if they've been cared for.

LOL our current minivan is the most money I've ever spent on a car ($12500) and 2nd newest (8yrs). Plus we have wife's 15yr old and the 20yr old daily driver go-kart. I was realizing today the silliness that was my newest (2004 Sienna in 2009)- paid $7k in cash and $100 payments for 4 years then still had to use half a tax return into paying it off.
Will

MX793

Quote from: giant_mtb on May 29, 2020, 10:55:57 AM
Shit, I get excited when I see a car from 2004 in good shape.  2004 Grand Prix with that beautiful plastic cladding down the side, not rusted out and beat to fuck by some kid?? Holy shit!

There are 2 in my neighborhood.  I was shocked as well.  Must have been southern cars.
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giant_mtb

Quote from: MX793 on May 31, 2020, 07:14:12 AM
There are 2 in my neighborhood.  I was shocked as well.  Must have been southern cars.

Or elderly-owned. I have a handful of old ladies I detail for that have cars like a pristine 8th gen Buick Lesabre with like 45k miles on it.  Just did a super clean, elderly owned 2010 Corolla with 34k miles on it the other day.

MX793

Quote from: giant_mtb on May 31, 2020, 07:20:49 AM
Or elderly-owned. I have a handful of old ladies I detail for that have cars like a pristine 8th gen Buick Lesabre with like 45k miles on it.  Just did a super clean, elderly owned 2010 Corolla with 34k miles on it the other day.

Possibly, but you didn't tend to see too many of those later Pontiacs being driven by elderly people.  They tended to go towards Buicks, Olds, or Impalas.  Or a Bonnie, if a Pontiac.  The GP tended to ride pretty stiff.
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veeman

In its time I always saw the Pontiac Grand Prix driven by young men.  In warmer months usually hand washed in their driveway every weekend. 

Laconian

Quote from: veeman on May 31, 2020, 02:03:44 PM
In its time I always saw the Pontiac Grand Prix driven by young men.  In warmer months usually hand washed in their driveway every weekend. 

The Grand Prix and sportbikes were the things to buy for sailors around the naval station. Dodge Charger seems to fill that niche now, which arguably fits the performance bill better for a young 20something overflowing with testosterone.
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Soup DeVille

Quote from: Laconian on May 31, 2020, 02:51:02 PM
The Grand Prix and sportbikes were the things to buy for sailors around the naval station. Dodge Charger seems to fill that niche now, which arguably fits the performance bill better for a young 20something overflowing with testosterone.

And lousy credit.
Maybe we need to start off small. I mean, they don't let you fuck the glumpers at Glumpees without a level 4 FuckPass, do they?

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Laconian

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AutobahnSHO

Quote from: Laconian on May 31, 2020, 02:51:02 PM
The Grand Prix and sportbikes were the things to buy for sailors around the naval station. Dodge Charger seems to fill that niche now, which arguably fits the performance bill better for a young 20something overflowing with testosterone.

And Challenger. We saw one the other day and it's as long as our minivan with 1/10th the utility.
Will

MX793

Quote from: AutobahnSHO on June 01, 2020, 09:05:55 AM
And Challenger. We saw one the other day and it's as long as our minivan with 1/10th the utility.

Challies are huge.  They are also the cheapest V8 ponycar and Chrysler tends to have the best finance deals.
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veeman

Quote from: MX793 on June 01, 2020, 10:54:13 AM
Challies are huge.  They are also the cheapest V8 ponycar and Chrysler tends to have the best finance deals.

Didn't you spend an entire thread in the not too distant past saying the Challenger is not a pony car because it's too big for that classification?

:lol:


FoMoJo

Quote from: MX793 on June 01, 2020, 10:54:13 AM
Challies are huge.  They are also the cheapest V8 ponycar and Chrysler tends to have the best finance deals.
But they're FCA.
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AutobahnSHO

Quote from: MX793 on June 01, 2020, 10:54:13 AM
Challies are huge.  They are also the cheapest V8 ponycar and Chrysler tends to have the best finance deals.

They are literally only like 5 inches longer than an Odyssey, wheelbase is almost the same.  I rode in one last year and felt more cramped in the front passenger side than my Miata. Such a waste of metal.
Will

veeman

#58
The point of a Challenger and all its wasted metal is they look cool.  They actually look like 60s/70s muscle cars.  There's plenty of room in the front for adults.  For short trips, the backseat is OK for normal sized adults (assuming they're lithe enough to squeeze back there through the coupe front doors).

MX793

Quote from: AutobahnSHO on June 01, 2020, 02:20:13 PM
They are literally only like 5 inches longer than an Odyssey, wheelbase is almost the same.  I rode in one last year and felt more cramped in the front passenger side than my Miata. Such a waste of metal.

I'm not sure I'd call them cramped.  The center console is large, but I always found them to have plenty of head, leg and shoulder room.  At least in the front seat.  Never sat in the back, but I assume the back seat is roomier than my car's.  The high sides and gun-slit windows, along with a generally dark interior color scheme, does make the interior "feel" smaller than it is.  My Mustang definitely feels "airier" inside because there's more glass, but the Challenger actually has more interior space if you took a tape measure to it.
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