As some of you know, I sold the Civic a few weeks back. Roughly two weeks ago, I pulled the trigger on a new (to me) car.
Without further ado, here she is.
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It's a 2001 Mazda Protege ES with 91K miles. It's in very good shape, and runs great. The previous owner has receipts from new struts, sway bar links, recent tires, recent brakes, etc. It's quite a step up for me, as I'm now rocking power windows and locks, keyless entry, cruise control and a sunroof. It's a great handling car, and a bit peppier than the Honda as well. As some of you may remember, I seriously test drove a Protege some time ago, and made a thread about my consideration. In the end, I didn't buy that one, but really, really liked the car. So, I ended up finding another one.
On a recent trip to Albany, NY; the car returned 34 mpg with cruise set at 71 mph, and the A/C running. As well, the A/C in this car is positively frigid. All in all, I'm very happy with it.
Very nice! The Protege has always been a terrific car. You done good.
ooooo, I'd love a sunroof.
Nice looking car, I always liked that model Protege. :ohyeah:
Mazda makes a fantastic car, in just about any form.
Its a nice economical little sedan, and the nice thing is it doesn't punish you for wanting such a thing. In fact in some ways it rewards you(light weight, good handling, etc).
good choice, nice color and the rims make the car look sporty compared to others with smaller steelies.
that is some nice gas mileage too.
big :ohyeah:
Nice car! I was sort of looking at one as well
But you have to admit the soon-to-be-mine car > your car :evildude:
Quote from: M_power on July 16, 2007, 08:14:33 PM
Nice car! I was sort of looking at one as well
But you have to admit the soon-to-be-mine car > your car :evildude:
car in the driveway > hopes and wishes
sorry had to do it. :lol:
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on July 16, 2007, 08:15:22 PM
car in the driveway > hopes and wishes
sorry had to do it. :lol:
Deposit is with the seller and the car should be in my driveway wednesday night, registered and driven with temporary plates by thursday morning :devil:
Quote from: M_power on July 16, 2007, 08:19:03 PM
Deposit is with the seller and the car should be in my driveway wednesday night, registered and driven with temporary plates by thursday morning? :devil:
congrats, i never count a car as mine until the title is signed.
not trying to bring you down, but we all know how shit turns out.
The 'st33m gets 36mpg :devil: but the a/c doesn't work. :(
Very nice Pr0teg3. I'd like one with a terbow. :praise:
Thanks guys.
I love the sunroof, it's the first car I've owned that has one, and it's positively brilliant.
Sixteen inch wheels as well, the car definitely has a firm ride, but it's well worth it as soon as you find some twisties. I do rather like the color as well, though that wasn't a factor in the purchase. Buying used certainly limits your options. :lol:
Be sure to take that Protege out to an autocrosss sometime... they always do well in stock form.
Congratsamacations! Nice car. :ohyeah:
Congratulations Adam. The car's body appears to be in great shape, so if the mechanics are good, you've got a winner. :rockon:
Your car is the same color as mine, so that's another reason for me to like it. :lol:
My previous car is the first car I ever had with a sunroof. I love it. It's great to be able to open the roof on those nice days. You'll definitely enjoy that.
Best of luck with it, man.
Quote from: NACar on July 16, 2007, 08:26:02 PM
The 'st33m gets 36mpg :devil: but the a/c doesn't work. :(
You broke the A/C
Quote from: FlatBlackCaddy on July 16, 2007, 08:20:21 PM
congrats, i never count a car as mine until the title is signed.
not trying to bring you down, but we all know how shit turns out.
this won't turn out like that *knock on wood*
Quote from: M_power on July 16, 2007, 08:37:11 PM
You broke the A/C
It was already broke, do I just decided to make it harder to fix. :P
Quote from: The Pirate on July 16, 2007, 08:28:12 PM
Thanks guys.
I love the sunroof, it's the first car I've owned that has one, and it's positively brilliant.
Sixteen inch wheels as well, the car definitely has a firm ride, but it's well worth it as soon as you find some twisties. I do rather like the color as well, though that wasn't a factor in the purchase. Buying used certainly limits your options. :lol:
I'd rather have a black contour but silver ain't so bad :lol:
I never really understood the appeal for sunroofs. We've actually never owned a car with it but we had a PT cruiser for a few days (someone lent it to us while they went away) and that had a sunroof. It's amazing for venting the car but not really useful for anything else :huh:
Quote from: NACar on July 16, 2007, 08:38:14 PM
It was already broke, do I just decided to make it harder to fix. :P
same difference :lol:
Great little car. I always felt that model of Protege was one of the best cars in that class back then. Fun and well built little cars. I must have fixed about 2000 of them and can dissemble you car in about an hour!
I think what turned me away from the car was how small it is (or at least looks to me)
Nice car! Quite a step up from the Honda I see.
You won't want to leave that unlocked in parking lots. :devil: :lol:
Quote from: NACar on July 16, 2007, 08:28:33 PM
Be sure to take that Protege out to an autocrosss sometime... they always do well in stock form.
That's the plan, it seems like it's ready for something like that.
Quote from: dazzleman on July 16, 2007, 08:31:52 PM
Congratulations Adam. The car's body appears to be in great shape, so if the mechanics are good, you've got a winner. :rockon:
Your car is the same color as mine, so that's another reason for me to like it. :lol:
My previous car is the first car I ever had with a sunroof. I love it. It's great to be able to open the roof on those nice days. You'll definitely enjoy that.
Best of luck with it, man.
I'd be lying if I said the sunroof wasn't a strong factor, though the rest of the package fit well with what I was looking for too. The body is in great shape for the year. I'm the 3rd owner, and it's only had two winters in NY state (it was originally from northern Florida), so the underside is in good shape too. I do like the silver as well. The car looks good in it, and it's fairly stealthy on the highway as well. :devil:
Quote from: Onslaught on July 16, 2007, 08:39:53 PM
Great little car. I always felt that model of Protege was one of the best cars in that class back then. Fun and well built little cars. I must have fixed about 2000 of them and can dissemble you car in about an hour!
Good to hear! If I have any body questions, I'll be looking your way. I hope whatever you fixed on that many of them was fairly minor. :lol:
Quote from: Raghavan on July 16, 2007, 08:43:04 PM
Nice car! Quite a step up from the Honda I see.
You won't want to leave that unlocked in parking lots. :devil: :lol:
It's a similar car to the Honda, just more goodies. I do like it better on the whole, however some things on the Honda were a bit better. I've got keyless entry now, I can lock and unlock at will! :praise:
that's a sharp little car. I agree with FBC, the rims are a very nice touch. :ohyeah:
I don't think you mentioned it, but is it a manual trans? or automatic? (to which the guys will chide you to no end :mask: )
Silver is easy to keep clean too.
Quote from: Vinsanity on July 16, 2007, 08:50:13 PM
that's a sharp little car. I agree with FBC, the rims are a very nice touch. :ohyeah:
I don't think you mentioned it, but is it a manual trans? or automatic? (to which the guys will chide you to no end :mask: )
I can't believe I didn't mention the tranny, on a car forum no less. :mask:
It is indeed a manual transmission.
Quote from: The Pirate on July 16, 2007, 08:52:45 PM
I can't believe I didn't mention the tranny, on a car forum no less.? :mask:
It is indeed a manual transmission.
I was going to ask, but i just assumed(prayed) it was a manual.
The automatic wouldn't have been that bad, but the manual rounds out the package nicely.
Yeah, and no interior pics either! :nono:
Quote from: The Pirate on July 16, 2007, 08:52:45 PM
I can't believe I didn't mention the tranny, on a car forum no less.? :mask:
It is indeed a manual transmission.
I assumed this much, otherwise it would have been necessary for me to reach through my computor screen and slap you very, very hard. Twice.
:lol:
Quote from: Raghavan on July 16, 2007, 08:54:23 PM
Yeah, and no interior pics either! :nono:
:nono:
I'm not going to give the whole package away on the first date. Imagine this as a little foreplay, and the interior pics will be furnished depending on how things go. :lol:
Congrats! Great looking car. :ohyeah:
Quote from: NACar on July 16, 2007, 08:55:18 PM
I assumed this much, otherwise it would have been necessary for me to reach through my computor screen and slap you very, very hard. Twice.
Fair assumption, and I definitely would have deserved it. An automatic in that car would have been sacrilege for sure, and I walked away from a sharp looking blue Protege5 because it was an auto. It also had 130K miles, which was a bit higher than I wanted.
Very nice car. :ohyeah:
For some reason, Adam, I couldn't imagine you driving an automatic. :P
My SVT contour is an auto.
Quote from: M_power on July 16, 2007, 09:03:37 PM
My SVT contour is an auto.
As far as I know, SVT Contours were not available with an automatic.
you two are too smart :lol:
Quote from: Raghavan on July 16, 2007, 09:01:05 PM
For some reason, Adam, I couldn't imagine you driving an automatic. :P
I'm not opposed to it, actually. Though, in a small, nimble car with a smallish engine, I prefer a manual. Something like boat tail Riviera, or a W140, I could easily enjoy the automatic.
My brother's car is automatic (much to his chagrin), and it's rather fun to drive.
Quote from: M_power on July 16, 2007, 09:03:37 PM
My SVT contour is an auto.
Have you driven it? They're far more, ahem, substantial cars than a little economy car. Does your soon-to-be have a tilt wheel?
Quote from: the Teuton on July 16, 2007, 09:11:13 PM
Have you driven it? They're far more, ahem, substantial cars than a little economy car. Does your soon-to-be have a tilt wheel?
Yeah i took it for a drive when i initially saw the car. I'm pretty sure it does
Congratulations! Sharp looking car - and some slick wheels, too! And of course, fine choice on the tranny. Had you chosen wrongly, I know the fine forum members here would have made your life a living hell! :lol: Those suspension mods sound good - a little stiff ride is well worth the extra handling.
Quote from: M_power on July 16, 2007, 09:13:29 PM
Yeah i took it for a drive when i initially saw the car. I'm pretty sure it does
My brother's 1995, which I will affectionately refer to as "SVT Lite," doesn't have a tilt wheel. I was just wondering. If it's the same shift linkage as the 1995 SE V6, then I find it to be a little vague and I missed a few shifts while driving it a few weeks ago while getting into fifth gear, but I kinda envy you. They're nice.
Quote from: saxonyron on July 16, 2007, 09:14:16 PM
Congratulations! Sharp looking car - and some slick wheels, too! And of course, fine choice on the tranny. Had you chosen wrongly, I know the fine forum members here would have made your life a living hell! :lol: Those suspension mods sound good - a little stiff ride is well worth the extra handling.
Thanks, it's certainly one of the more fun cars that existed in my price range. Had I bought an automatic, I would have thoroughly deserved any lashings that came my way. :mask:
As far as the suspension and wheels (which so many of you commented on, and I agree, they are great looking), the car is bone stock. Considering that, it's really amazing how well it handles.
Quote from: the Teuton on July 16, 2007, 09:16:31 PM
My brother's 1995, which I will affectionately refer to as "SVT Lite," doesn't have a tilt wheel. I was just wondering. If it's the same shift linkage as the 1995 SE V6, then I find it to be a little vague and I missed a few shifts while driving it a few weeks ago while getting into fifth gear, but I kinda envy you. They're nice.
:lol: The gearbox is fine i think. I didn't miss any shifts when i drove it
Quote from: M_power on July 16, 2007, 09:22:01 PM
:lol: The gearbox is fine i think. I didn't miss any shifts when i drove it
Sorry to highjack the thread, but holy hell!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Florida-Ford-SVT-Race-Ready-Street-or-Drift-Very-FAST_W0QQitemZ160138176071QQihZ006QQcategoryZ31832QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
:mask:
Quote from: the Teuton on July 16, 2007, 09:27:03 PM
Sorry to highjack the thread, but holy hell!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Florida-Ford-SVT-Race-Ready-Street-or-Drift-Very-FAST_W0QQitemZ160138176071QQihZ006QQcategoryZ31832QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Holy crap! Twin Turbo 3L V6 SVT Contour???
13" brakes??? LSD!!!!
That's a very good deal for only 58k miles. I WANT.
Dammit, I bought the wrong car! :rage: :lol:
Quote from: the Teuton on July 16, 2007, 09:27:03 PM
Sorry to highjack the thread, but holy hell!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Florida-Ford-SVT-Race-Ready-Street-or-Drift-Very-FAST_W0QQitemZ160138176071QQihZ006QQcategoryZ31832QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Looks like a nicely done turbo... but do they seriously think it's a good car for drifting? :confused:
Quote from: The Pirate on July 16, 2007, 09:31:04 PM
Dammit, I bought the wrong car! :rage: :lol:
:lol: :lol:
Quote from: NACar on July 16, 2007, 09:31:21 PM
Looks like a nicely done turbo... but do they seriously think it's a good car for drifting? :confused:
The stories I have to tell you.... :P
Quote from: the Teuton on July 16, 2007, 09:34:23 PM
The stories I have to tell you....? :P
Pleese, do tell :P
Quote from: M_power on July 16, 2007, 09:32:45 PM
:lol: :lol:
Now, get the hell out of my thread with this talk of shitty Fords with trailer hitches! :lol:
Quote from: The Pirate on July 16, 2007, 09:36:06 PM
Now, get the hell out of my thread with this talk of shitty Fords with trailer hitches! :lol:
I shall continue my hijack-age :devil:
And hey, that trailer hitch is coming off the day i get the car :devil:
This wing is a no-no.
(http://www.cardata.com/spoilers/images/DR-229_Mazda_Protege.jpg)
I like yours, plus you have the brake light in it.
Quote from: NACar on July 16, 2007, 09:42:27 PM
This wing is a no-no.
(http://www.cardata.com/spoilers/images/DR-229_Mazda_Protege.jpg)
I like yours, plus you have the brake light in it.
is that the one from the mazdaspeed?
Quote from: The Pirate on July 16, 2007, 09:19:44 PM
Thanks, it's certainly one of the more fun cars that existed in my price range. Had I bought an automatic, I would have thoroughly deserved any lashings that came my way. :mask:
As far as the suspension and wheels (which so many of you commented on, and I agree, they are great looking), the car is bone stock. Considering that, it's really amazing how well it handles.
Oh, my bad! I read "The previous owner has receipts from new struts, sway bar links..." and subconsciously inserted "aftermarket"! Where's the dope slap smiley?? :lol: Well, from what I've heard, Mazda does make a nice handling car. I drove a Mazda 3 wagon that was stock and it was a riot to drive. Real nice balance, very lively feel.
So now the only mod you need is to slap on a turbo and kick it up to a rally-worthy 250 HP! :ohyeah:
Quote from: NACar on July 16, 2007, 09:35:23 PM
Pleese, do tell :P
Well, you know I have a friend with an insane addiction to turbochargers and car builds...
Well, he's not the president of the new racing club we're starting at school. He should be, but he isn't. The reason: the person who is prez was the first person to sign up so Bob Fryer (pull out your May or June Automobile Magazine and you'll see that name on the side of the original Panther Racing Javelin) selected him. anyway, he called my friend because he's a little unknowledgeable about these sorts of things and said we should all go to BeaveRun because they had an open drift day and we need to learn how to get control of the car.
My Friend: So what kinds of cars will be using? My BMW isn't quite ready to do anything like that.
Prez: We'll rent something. I don't know...Maybe some Mazda3s.
Friend: Rent? Aren't they automatic?
Prez: Yeah...But it'll help--
Friend: And aren't they FWD?
Prez: Yeah...
Friend: So, you know, you go through a lot of tire when you drift... (short personal story ensues) ...what are you planning on doing for tires?
Prez: Going to a dealer and picking up their old tires. You know, you can get them for pretty cheap.
Friend: So you're planning on taking FWD auto cars out and drifting them on bald tires?
Prez: Yeah, but--
Friend: (Laughing ensues)
FIN
Nice ride :rockon:
Quote from: the Teuton on July 16, 2007, 09:50:18 PM
Well, you know I have a friend with an insane addiction to turbochargers and car builds...
Well, he's not the president of the new racing club we're starting at school. He should be, but he isn't. The reason: the person who is prez was the first person to sign up so Bob Fryer (pull out your May or June Automobile Magazine and you'll see that name on the side of the original Panther Racing Javelin) selected him. anyway, he called my friend because he's a little unknowledgeable about these sorts of things and said we should all go to BeaveRun because they had an open drift day and we need to learn how to get control of the car.
My Friend: So what kinds of cars will be using? My BMW isn't quite ready to do anything like that.
Prez: We'll rent something. I don't know...Maybe some Mazda3s.
Friend: Rent? Aren't they automatic?
Prez: Yeah...But it'll help--
Friend: And aren't they FWD?
Prez: Yeah...
Friend: So, you know, you go through a lot of tire when you drift... (short personal story ensues) ...what are you planning on doing for tires?
Prez: Going to a dealer and picking up their old tires. You know, you can get them for pretty cheap.
Friend: So you're planning on taking FWD auto cars out and drifting them on bald tires?
Prez: Yeah, but--
Friend: (Laughing ensues)
FIN
silly n00bs :lol:
IMO the '01-'04 Protege is the best 4 door car, ever.
Good gas mileage, awesome interior, inexpensive, great handling, good looks, and great "chuckability."
Before I joined the Air Force, I wanted one desperately, but it wouldn't have been smart to buy a car then. I didn't have much money and I already had a '98 model year car.
I'm very jealous
Quote from: HotRodPilot on July 16, 2007, 10:58:29 PM
IMO the '01-'04 Protege is the best 4 door car, ever.
Good gas mileage, awesome interior, inexpensive, great handling, good looks, and great "chuckability."
Before I joined the Air Force, I wanted one desperately, but it wouldn't have been smart to buy a car then. I didn't have much money and I already had a '98 model year car.
I'm very jealous
Couldn't have said it better myself! :lol:
Honestly, thanks for the kind words, and I certainly agree, especially on the "chuckability." The car really does have a marvelous suspension. I love it.
One of the guys who works for my dad has a facelifted silver ES 5-spd, I am hoping he decides to get something bigger soon (two kids) and I can get a deal on it.
just tell him if he wants to keep his job, he should just sell his car to you :lol:
Quote from: M_power on July 16, 2007, 09:43:47 PM
is that the one from the mazdaspeed?
That looks like the MP3 Protege but the MS had the same one if I remember correctly. Aways looked like a dinner table on the back of the car to me. Glad they toned down on stuff like that for the other MS cars.
Congrats man, that's a really nice ride. It seems really similar to a 323. Looks clean, and I'm sure it will be a very reliable option, being a Mazda. Have fun!
Very nice Protege! Love the color and the wheels. I'm sure you'll have many happy years of driving in it.
As for M power and the SVT, I loved mine. Fun, rapid, and an outstanding handling car.
(http://mywebpages.comcast.net/cvetters3/svt1.jpg)
Sunroof :praise:
EDIT: Oh yeah, the rest of the car is kicking as well. Definitely a step up from the Honda, probably. How is it quickness, handling, and feel-wise?
sweet dude, congrats!
Quote from: Raza on July 17, 2007, 06:00:48 AM
Sunroof :praise:
EDIT: Oh yeah, the rest of the car is kicking as well. Definitely a step up from the Honda, probably. How is it quickness, handling, and feel-wise?
what's so wonderful about sunroofs? :huh:
Quote from: M_power on July 17, 2007, 08:55:24 AM
what's so wonderful about sunroofs?? :huh:
Old bald guys can get sun tan on their heads while driving. :huh:
:huh:
Quote from: M_power on July 17, 2007, 08:55:24 AM
what's so wonderful about sunroofs?? :huh:
Have you had a car with a sunroof?
Quote from: Raza on July 17, 2007, 09:13:29 AM
Have you had a car with a sunroof?
Not extensively. Just for a few days. The only good thing I noticed was how well it ventilates the car.
The contour has a sunroof :huh:
Quote from: M_power on July 17, 2007, 09:14:19 AM
Not extensively. Just for a few days. The only good thing I noticed was how well it ventilates the car.
And you're still asking?
Quote from: Raza on July 17, 2007, 09:26:07 AM
And you're still asking?
...you can ventilate the car with the windows open. So the only benefit of a sunroof is its ventilation capabilities? (And i guess if you love the sun so much it's a plus)
Raza, it's like trying to explain teh appeal of a convertible to someone who doesn't get it. the ventilation is one part of it, yes. Then there is the view out of it on beautiful fall days, or summer nights... For those of us who love convertibles it's the best way to have a sedan, so you can have the practical aspects of a sedan with all the wind in your hair/ventilation/view of a convertible, in a more secure package. And there's an intangible feeling driving with the top open all the way... Just like I drive the Fiat with the top down as often as possible, I drive the BMW with the sunroof open as often as possible.
i've driven a couple of convertibles (short test drives of the s2k and z4) and they're quite something. Especially taking a corner hard in the s2k with traffic around and the top down. I want a convertible
Quote from: M_power on July 17, 2007, 09:28:38 AM
...you can ventilate the car with the windows open. So the only benefit of a sunroof is its ventilation capabilities? (And i guess if you love the sun so much it's a plus)
It's not just the ventilation.
I've tried explaining it to people, and if you don't get it, you don't get it. There's nothing I can do.
congrats ada..er..jamal. it's awesome.
i love sunroofs. i wouldn't want one here though, there is a huge possibility of someone spitting into your car from busses. :lol:
Quote from: M_power on July 17, 2007, 09:36:09 AM
i've driven a couple of convertibles (short test drives of the s2k and z4) and they're quite something. Especially taking a corner hard in the s2k with traffic around and the top down. I want a convertible
Those convertibles are sports cars and their appeal goes beyond the convertible top. I was also talking about cars like my Comet that aren't sports cars, but cruisers. There is the appeal of the elements that you're no longer separated from but can be if necessary (unlike on a motorcycle, for example). The sunroof in a sedan is a small effort towards getting that feeling in a more practical car. I just came back from lunch that included driving the BMW with the windows down and the sunroof wide open. Great feeling.
Few experiences in life can top the feeling you get on a crisp evening with the stars bright in the sky and the heater barely on driving down a twisty road with the sunroof all the way open. Fucking magical.
My dad has refused to get one on any car we've ever owned because of the associated reduction in headspace. Thank God I'm a couple inches shorter and it doesn't seem to bother me.
I like having a sunroof, but it certainly isn't a big deal. Of course, I think mine might technically be a moon roof since it is metal (?), I'd imagine a glass one that opened bigger (mine has to go over the roof) would be better.
Quote from: Tave on July 17, 2007, 11:28:14 AM
Few experiences in life can top the feeling you get on a crisp evening with the stars bright in the sky and the heater barely on driving down a twisty road with the sunroof all the way open. Fucking magical.
My dad has refused to get one on any car we've ever owned because of the associated reduction in headspace. Thank God I'm a couple inches shorter and it doesn't seem to bother me.
I don't understand you people complaining about headspace :evildude:
Quote from: TBR on July 17, 2007, 11:43:12 AM
I like having a sunroof, but it certainly isn't a big deal. Of course, I think mine might technically be a moon roof since it is metal (?), I'd imagine a glass one that opened bigger (mine has to go over the roof) would be better.
I believe the classification is a metal sunroof and a glass moonroof. Logic being a moonroof can be used at night without actually opening the roof. Our 300SD TD had a steel sunroof, and every other car I can remember has had glass, and has been called a "moonroof", which seems like a refinement/marketing gimmick based on the sunroof idea.
Quote from: M_power on July 17, 2007, 11:53:54 AM
I don't understand you people complaining about headspace :evildude:
Being a midget is nothing to brag about Eddie. :evildude:
Quote from: CMan on July 17, 2007, 02:09:51 PM
Being a midget is nothing to brag about Eddie. :evildude:
It's called dwarfism bitch :evildude:
hey adam,
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k292/m_power_44/Photo-0041.jpg)
:evildude:
It's alright. It's no Protege, but it could be worse.
:lol:
I like sunroofs. My MX-3 had one and it was open all the time.
Now working on one of those GD things is a different story.
i haven't tried out my sunroof yet
I freaking love mine.
i haven't even owned the car in sunlight yet :lol:
Quote from: M_power on July 17, 2007, 10:18:35 PM
i haven't even owned the car in sunlight yet :lol:
what if the sun never rises again? :mask:
Quote from: NACar on July 17, 2007, 10:18:59 PM
what if the sun never rises again? :mask:
is that what you're forecasting for tomorrow mr weather man?
no wonder you got fired
Nice wheels, Jamal! I'll make you a new sig when I get back in a few weeks.
Quote from: TheIntrepid on July 18, 2007, 12:40:13 AM
Nice wheels, Jamal! I'll make you a new sig when I get back in a few weeks.
It's not like no one else here can do it, you know. :rolleyes: :lol:
Then go right ahead and make him one. :huh:
Quote from: ChrisV on July 17, 2007, 09:32:31 AM
Raza, it's like trying to explain teh appeal of a convertible to someone who doesn't get it. the ventilation is one part of it, yes. Then there is the view out of it on beautiful fall days, or summer nights... For those of us who love convertibles it's the best way to have a sedan, so you can have the practical aspects of a sedan with all the wind in your hair/ventilation/view of a convertible, in a more secure package. And there's an intangible feeling driving with the top open all the way... Just like I drive the Fiat with the top down as often as possible, I drive the BMW with the sunroof open as often as possible.
I
just saw this post. Exactly.
Quote from: Raza on July 17, 2007, 12:39:08 PM
I believe the classification is a metal sunroof and a glass moonroof. Logic being a moonroof can be used at night without actually opening the roof. Our 300SD TD had a steel sunroof, and every other car I can remember has had glass, and has been called a "moonroof", which seems like a refinement/marketing gimmick based on the sunroof idea.
'Moonroof' is a term not used here, so I doubt it's a physical classification, but rather localised terminology. The Australian Mitsubishi Verada, exported to the US as a Mitsubishi Diamante, was often referred to here as having a sunroof, but called a moonroof in the US.
For example, this Mitsubishi Verada (http://carpoint.com.au/used-car/MITSUBISHI/VERADA/Queensland/csn1315039.aspx) is listed as having a glass sunroof, whereas this Mitsubishi Diamante (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=226681743&dealer_id=586937&car_year=2003&model=DIAMAN&num_records=&make2=&start_year=1996&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=0&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&make=MIT&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=90210&advanced=&end_year=2008&doors=&transmission=&max_price=&cardist=337) has a glass moonroof, even though they're both glass holes in the roof.
Quote from: omicron on July 18, 2007, 06:49:12 AM
'Moonroof' is a term not used here, so I doubt it's a physical classification, but rather localised terminology. The Australian Mitsubishi Verada, exported to the US as a Mitsubishi Diamante, was often referred to here as having a sunroof, but called a moonroof in the US.
For example, this Mitsubishi Verada (http://carpoint.com.au/used-car/MITSUBISHI/VERADA/Queensland/csn1315039.aspx) is listed as having a glass sunroof, whereas this Mitsubishi Diamante (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=226681743&dealer_id=586937&car_year=2003&model=DIAMAN&num_records=&make2=&start_year=1996&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=0&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&make=MIT&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=90210&advanced=&end_year=2008&doors=&transmission=&max_price=&cardist=337) has a glass moonroof, even though they're both glass holes in the roof.
"/marketing gimmick"
I know. Moonroof is such a hyped-up term. Sunroof is where it's at.
Quote from: Raza on July 17, 2007, 06:00:48 AM
Sunroof :praise:
EDIT: Oh yeah, the rest of the car is kicking as well. Definitely a step up from the Honda, probably. How is it quickness, handling, and feel-wise?
:praise: for the sunroof is exactly right. I love it, and now have cursed myself to having a sunroof or convertible vehicle in my lineup at all times in the future.
Step up from the Honda is quasi-correct. It certainly has more creature comforts, and is newer with less miles. The Honda had better steering feedback, and a better transmission feel.
The Mazda has steering feel that is close to the Honda, but it's a lot heavier with a quicker ratio. The Mazda tranny is a tiny bit notchy, but still very good otherwise. The engine is 400cc larger in displacement, with a good boost in hp and torque. It feels a bit zippier. Magazine tests would place the Mazda a second or so ahead of a 2000 Civic DX to 60 mph. Not earth shattering, but quicker is better, even in small doses. I lost 300 rpm in the rev range, but the Mazda has fairly close ratios, and it's easy to keep it on boil. As I do a fair amount of highway driving, I wish the gearing was taller overall (it revs about 3350 rpm at 70 mph), but I can't complain too much, as it'll return 34 mpg with A/C use.
The handling on this car is nothing short of spectacular, given that it's an economy car. Mild understeer is present at times, but overall it's very neutral, and oversteer occurs relatively easily. The ride/handling tradeoff is superb as well. I read a review somewhere that called the Protege ES a 4 door FWD Miata, and that's very accurate IMO. For the price, it's a great car, and an absolute blast to drive.
I drove around with the sunroof open all day today. I take back what i said about i feel indifferent about having one.
the contour understeers
it felt like it understeered alot today
Quote from: M_power on July 18, 2007, 10:45:29 PM
the contour understeers
that's cuz you were trying to cut corners in the rain, n00b :rolleyes:
Quote from: NACar on July 18, 2007, 10:49:37 PM
that's cuz you were trying to cut corners in the rain, n00b :rolleyes:
i waited until it dried up and then went for a quick ride with eThirteen and his TSX
Quote from: The Pirate on July 18, 2007, 10:43:51 PM
:praise: for the sunroof is exactly right. I love it, and now have cursed myself to having a sunroof or convertible vehicle in my lineup at all times in the future.
Step up from the Honda is quasi-correct. It certainly has more creature comforts, and is newer with less miles. The Honda had better steering feedback, and a better transmission feel.
The Mazda has steering feel that is close to the Honda, but it's a lot heavier with a quicker ratio. The Mazda tranny is a tiny bit notchy, but still very good otherwise. The engine is 400cc larger in displacement, with a good boost in hp and torque. It feels a bit zippier. Magazine tests would place the Mazda a second or so ahead of a 2000 Civic DX to 60 mph. Not earth shattering, but quicker is better, even in small doses. I lost 300 rpm in the rev range, but the Mazda has fairly close ratios, and it's easy to keep it on boil. As I do a fair amount of highway driving, I wish the gearing was taller overall (it revs about 3350 rpm at 70 mph), but I can't complain too much, as it'll return 34 mpg with A/C use.
The handling on this car is nothing short of spectacular, given that it's an economy car. Mild understeer is present at times, but overall it's very neutral, and oversteer occurs relatively easily. The ride/handling tradeoff is superb as well. I read a review somewhere that called the Protege ES a 4 door FWD Miata, and that's very accurate IMO. For the price, it's a great car, and an absolute blast to drive.
Sounds like you're having a great time and you've got a great car!
I've become a big fan of the Protege recently, and your sentiments echo the reason I like it (I'd love an MSP). Happy motoring, dude.
Oh, and between you and Ed, I'm getting really impatient, and I still have over a year to wait!
Quote from: M_power on July 18, 2007, 10:45:29 PM
the contour understeers
All cars understeer.
Once you get used to it, you'll get into a rhythm of loading up the fronts and using the front weight bias to unsettle the rear enough to tighten the line. There's a learning curve. Plus, you're only like 14, so don't think you're going to be an expert already.
Quote from: M_power on July 18, 2007, 10:45:29 PM
the contour understeers
What tires is it wearing and are they the right pressure? I'd run 36 psi front and 32 rear. Then, dont 'just yarf the steering wheel to turn. Set up the chassis by going in a little hot and lifting, then modulate the car with the throttle. Alternatively, you can lightly (LIGHTLY) press the brake pedal with your left foot while using the throttle with the right.
Quote from: ChrisV on July 19, 2007, 05:55:37 AM
What tires is it wearing and are they the right pressure? I'd run 36 psi front and 32 rear. Then, dont 'just yarf the steering wheel to turn. Set up the chassis by going in a little hot and lifting, then modulate the car with the throttle. Alternatively, you can lightly (LIGHTLY) press the brake pedal with your left foot while using the throttle with the right.
I think that's bad advice Chris. He should into a corner light on speed, and then stand on the brakes and turn full lock towards the corner, while accelerating at maximum pace in lowest gear possible. That's how the pros do it.
lol! Yeah, that's the ticket!
Quote from: ChrisV on July 19, 2007, 05:55:37 AM
What tires is it wearing and are they the right pressure? I'd run 36 psi front and 32 rear. Then, dont 'just yarf the steering wheel to turn. Set up the chassis by going in a little hot and lifting, then modulate the car with the throttle. Alternatively, you can lightly (LIGHTLY) press the brake pedal with your left foot while using the throttle with the right.
The tires are Yokohama Avid V4's and i haven't checked tire pressure yet actually
Actually turns out I have T4's up front and V4's at the back
So jamal hows the car been treating you
I can't believe I haven't posted in this thread yet.
First off, Congratulations! The Protege ES is a very awesome car. I have only had mine for a bit but I'm glad I chose it. The sunroof is awesome, as is the handling, the shifting and the smile this car puts on your face. While mine is green, when I look at your car I get the same happy feeling I get knowing the satisfaction with it. :rockon: :ohyeah: :ohyeah: :lol:
(http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/7824/picture033mediumbg1.jpg)
While being a compact/economy car, the Protege I feel maintains an aggressive stance and look with its wheels, front fascia and rear spoiler.
(http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/4126/picture036mediumuh7.jpg)
This car screams "drive me" once you sit and buckle up and put the car into gear.
I absolutely love the back lit orange gauges and cluster when it's dark out.
Oh, and one thing, check your trunk for water. It collects on both sides of your rear quarter panels inside your trunk and also sometimes inside your spare tire area as well. Mine gets water occasionally on the drivers side panel. It seems to be a common problem, and I'm trying to figure out where it's coming from.
(http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/9661/picture087mediumtr6.jpg)
Quote from: M_power on July 19, 2007, 06:40:40 PM
So jamal hows the car been treating you
Awesome! I'm still getting a feel for it's handling, and the clutch is a bit different from the one in my Civic (it was a challenge to drive smoothly at first), but I've gotten used to that as well. It's really the first car I've owned that just felt "right." I want to keep this one and run it into the ground. I still can't believe it's an economy car, it really is that much fun.
How's the SVT Contour treating you? I must say that I if I ever find a low mileage, well maintained example, I'd have to consider it. If you do the straight pipe thing, post up a vid on youtube or something. :ohyeah:
Quote from: The_Joker on July 19, 2007, 08:03:27 PM
I can't believe I haven't posted in this thread yet.
First off, Congratulations! The Protege ES is a very awesome car. I have only had mine for a bit but I'm glad I chose it. The sunroof is awesome, as is the handling, the shifting and the smile this car puts on your face. While mine is green, when I look at your car I get the same happy feeling I get knowing the satisfaction with it. :rockon: :ohyeah: :ohyeah: :lol:
(http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/7824/picture033mediumbg1.jpg)
While being a compact/economy car, the Protege I feel maintains an aggressive stance and look with its wheels, front fascia and rear spoiler.
(http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/4126/picture036mediumuh7.jpg)
This car screams "drive me" once you sit and buckle up and put the car into gear.
I absolutely love the back lit orange gauges and cluster when it's dark out.
Oh, and one thing, check your trunk for water. It collects on both sides of your rear quarter panels inside your trunk and also sometimes inside your spare tire area as well. Mine gets water occasionally on the drivers side panel. It seems to be a common problem, and I'm trying to figure out where it's coming from.
(http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/9661/picture087mediumtr6.jpg)
Yes, they are awesome cars, and I'm very glad I ended up with one as well. I agree with everything you said, it's a hoot to drive, and looks great as well. Those 16 inch wheels fill up the wheelwells very nicely, and the car has a taut, clean look; especially from a rear 3/4 view. I'm a fan of the white gauges with orange backlighting as well.
As far as the water seeping into the trunk, the former owner mentioned this to me as well, and I've been checking it (we've had some rain lately), and mine appears to be have a tiny bit of moisture. I'm going to spend some time exploring it as well. I might shoot Onslaught a PM, as he is a Mazda body guy.
Yours is sharp looking as well, I love the green. Your wheels are a touch different from mine as well. What do you have for tires, and what do you think of them?
Edit: We should form an alliance for operation trunk water removal! :lol: Keep me posted if you discover anything about that, and I'll do the same.
My Protege complaint:
The paint telling me what gears to shift in peels and rubs off very easily. Not a problem after day 1 once I figured out how to shift.
(http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3229/picture083mediumzn6.jpg) :lol:
Quote from: The_Joker on July 19, 2007, 08:18:52 PM
My Protege complaint:
The paint telling me what gears to shift in peels and rubs off very easily. Not a problem after day 1 once I figured out how to shift.
:lol:
Hehehe, my car has 91K miles on it, that shift pattern is long gone on my knob.
I have the same cloth on my seats, as well.
I've got a question for you. Do you have to pull up the parking brake quite a bit for it to engage? It seems like you do in my car. It holds fine, but whereas my Honda's brake engaged in 4 or 5 clicks, the Mazda seems like it takes ~12 clicks to engage. It works fine otherwise, and it just passed inspection, so I'm not too worried; just curious.
I'm glad you guys find the Protege so satisfying. I still remember when it used to win all the econo car comparison tests. I bet it has a lot in common with the ol' Fucus, that is, it feels like so much more than you would expect from such a cheap little car. I want to join the Protege club!? :rockon: The 'st33m club sux :cry:
Rims probably a minor update from 01 to 02. I know though that the 01-03 model year Protege's are by far the sharpest ones made. Too bad the Mazda 3 came along. :rolleyes: :tounge:
Actually speaking I think I might replace my Protege shift knob with a Mazda 3/6 one.
(http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/4475/mazda6knobwh2.png)
Either that one of this one:
(http://i1.ebayimg.com/06/i/000/84/ba/0f9d_1.JPG)
Is there an official Protege club here? :huh: :lol:
Oh, and also one thing. You mentioned the "Drives like a 4 door Miata comment." That rang a bell and I found the article/comparo. It was C&D Nov. 2002 "Double Dip Dreamboats." They tested an LX model (mid range just not standard things like sunroof/fogs/spoiler like the ES). http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2505/double-dip-dreamboats-page8.html
Oooh, I think I want the Mazda 3 one for my car. Is it available online?
Quote from: The_Joker on July 19, 2007, 08:25:35 PM
Is there an official Protege club here?? :huh: :lol:
Oh, and also one thing.? You mentioned the "Drives like a 4 door Miata comment." That rang a bell and I found the article/comparo.? It was C&D Nov. 2002 "Double Dip Dreamboats." They tested an LX model (mid range just not standard things like sunroof/fogs/spoiler like the ES).? http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2505/double-dip-dreamboats-page8.html
I used to have a Civic just like the one that took 5th place, except it was an EX.? :mask:
Oh, and you can join the 'st33m club if you want, since there's no established Protege club. :praise:
Quote from: The Pirate on July 19, 2007, 08:25:54 PM
Oooh, I think I want the Mazda 3 one for my car. Is it available online?
I believe protegegarage.com carries them. I'll have to check. I like the leather feel of the 3/6 knob. I think its better than the one we get stuck with. The Mazdaspeed3 knob is nice too.
MS3 Knob: (http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/8940/mazdams3ue7pt8.png)
EDIT: I found the black and silver 2 toned Mazda 3 knob on protegegarage. I'm looking for the black one though.
(http://mazda3online.web.aplus.net/images/mazdashift.JPG)
http://mazda3online.web.aplus.net/product_info.php?cPath=281_22_310_75&products_id=226
I think leather is more comfortable to hold on to (IMO), and that knob makes the interior look classier than the stock one. Not to mention the stock knob gets really hot in the sun. I'm sure that one wouldn't be not warm, but I can't imagine it being more absorbent of heat than the stock knob.
Nice, I think I'm going to get that Mazda 3 one. I wish it were all black, but the silver won't be too bad, as the interior is black and silver.
are most (or all) knobs interchangable between cars? I thought they just screwed on but apparently there's abit more to it than that
Quote from: M_power on July 19, 2007, 08:42:26 PM
are most (or all) knobs interchangable between cars? I thought they just screwed on but apparently there's abit more to it than that
I had a ski pole grip for the shifter in my truck. :praise:
Quote from: The Pirate on July 19, 2007, 08:45:20 PM
I had a ski pole grip for the shifter in my truck.? :praise:
now that's what you call jerry-riggin :lol:
If i get a manual transmission truck, i'm going to make the shifter out of a tennis racquet handle. :praise: :lol:
Quote from: Raghavan on July 19, 2007, 08:51:19 PM
If i get a manual transmission truck, i'm going to make the shifter out of a tennis racquet handle. :praise: :lol:
And stick a tennis ball on the end, and draw the gear-shift pattern on it with a marker? :lol:
Quote from: M_power on July 19, 2007, 08:42:26 PM
are most (or all) knobs interchangable between cars? I thought they just screwed on but apparently there's abit more to it than that
Most of the Mazda's are interchangeable. They have the same size to fit on. Minus a few models like the Protege MP3.
Heres a pic of the Mazda 3 all black one (http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1241/knobbj0.jpg)
mine's abit worn down on the sides but the numbers are under a plastic cover thing so i dont think i'm gonna change mine
Quote from: NACar on July 19, 2007, 08:22:29 PM
I'm glad you guys find the Protege so satisfying. I still remember when it used to win all the econo car comparison tests. I bet it has a lot in common with the ol' Fucus, that is, it feels like so much more than you would expect from such a cheap little car. I want to join the Protege club! :rockon: The 'st33m club sux :cry:
I never did drive an SVT Focus (I wanted to), but I really do like the regular Focus. It was a good car for sure.
I got a good price on the Mazda though, so I bit.
If the stock knob fits, then it is M10 x 1.25 thread pitch. Most Mazdas re this pitch, except the MP3. So that means shift knobs between Protege, 3/6, the Mazda Speed Protege, etc could be screwed on.
My mother previously had a Focus, not a manual but it was a very good car. Great handling, decent acceleration in an economy car. In fact I was looking at a black SVT Focus, however it was about 10k. That was a car I was looking at though.
you should have gotten a SVT contour if not a SVT focus if not a SVT Cobra :praise: :lol:
Quote from: M_power on July 19, 2007, 09:03:02 PM
you should have gotten a SVT contour if not a SVT focus if not a SVT Cobra :praise: :lol:
I was looking at SVT's along with Mazdaspeeds. However the Contours most had higher mileage which was a drawback. The Foci are a bit too new and expensive being around $10k. Forget about a SVT Cobra on insurance. The Focus would have been $75 more a month over my Protege ES. So even if the cars on the lot were the same price I don't know if I would have went for it.
Yeah, the SVT was a bit more than I wanted to spend as well. Loans are bad.
oh well. Now i'm the only SVT owner here :devil:
If I had say no insurance to pay and $9k in my pocket or so, it'd be hard to beat a car like an SVT Focus for handling and for a great overall car to have fun in.
There are several Protege owners on here. It's clearly a better car. :lol:
Quote from: The Pirate on July 19, 2007, 09:49:08 PM
There are several Protege owners on here. It's clearly a better car. :lol:
Because SVT's are rare :praise:
I haven't washed my car in 2 weeks! I also need to take some pictures of my car. It should probably get waxed as well.
i haven't washed my car yet
Quote from: The Pirate on July 19, 2007, 08:55:27 PM
I never did drive an SVT Focus (I wanted to), but I really do like the regular Focus.? It was a good car for sure.
I got a good price on the Mazda though, so I bit.
The SVT Focus doens't drive much differnety than a regular Focus. The brakes have much more direct feel, the gearshift feels much more solid, and there's more power on the top-end... otherwise, not much different.
Quote from: NACar on July 19, 2007, 09:51:25 PM
The SVT Focus doens't drive much differnety than a regular Focus. The brakes have much more direct feel, the gearshift feels much more solid, and there's more power on the top-end... otherwise, not much different.
Like apples taste like apples and look like apples and oranges taste like oranges and oranges look like oranges...otherwise, not much different
SVT Focus had a 6 Speed Getrag right? With the 5 speed Protege gearing I feel like I could use an extra gear in there. Maybe it's just me. It's my first manual. What do you think Pirate?
when i'm driving around, i sort of wish first gear was taller so it isn't so useless
my usual shift pattern from a stoplight is 1-3-5 and if i get a rolling start, either 2-4 or 2-5
Quote from: The_Joker on July 19, 2007, 09:54:30 PM
SVT Focus had a 6 Speed Getrag right? With the 5 speed Protege gearing I feel like I could use an extra gear in there. Maybe it's just me. It's my first manual. What do you think Pirate?
Yeah, the gearing is a bit short for my preference. I'd like a 6th gear, or just make all the existing gears a bit taller.
The close ratios are good though, it makes the car quicker.
Yeah my first is almost useless, besides starting from stop. (So i guess i just refuted my point). Anyways the car almost drives smoother in a parking lot in 2nd gear. For some reason when I am in first and in a parking lot, and take my foot off the gas to slow down instead of hard braking, the car seems to buck while slowing down. The higher RPMs aren't as bad as a Miata I test drove, that thing buzzes on the highway.
the only use i found for first gear is just spinning the wheels uselessly on wet pavement :lol:
Quote from: The_Joker on July 19, 2007, 10:00:08 PM
Yeah my first is almost useless, besides starting from stop. (So i guess i just refuted my point). Anyways the car almost drives smoother in a parking lot in 2nd gear. For some reason when I am in first and in a parking lot, and take my foot off the gas to slow down instead of hard braking, the car seems to buck while slowing down. The higher RPMs aren't as bad as a Miata I test drove, that thing buzzes on the highway.
Yeah, the bucking in first is kinda normal. Both of my other manual tranny vehicles would do that as well. I've no major complaints with the the gearing, as it still returns good fuel economy, and makes it fun on backroads.
Quote from: The Pirate on July 19, 2007, 10:03:05 PM
Yeah, the bucking in first is kinda normal. Both of my other manual tranny vehicles would do that as well. I've no major complaints with the the gearing, as it still returns good fuel economy, and makes it fun on backroads.
Oh ok. Did not know that. I figured it had to do with it being a manual. I agree, about fuel economy. Besides some spirited driving around twisties in 3rd gear!
I think i'm getting some terrible mileage right now. I started the trip distance thing when i filled the tank so i'm gonna try to calculate what kind of mileage i got after i fill up next time
when i was looking around in another forum, SVT contour owners said about low to mid 20s
Quote from: M_power on July 19, 2007, 10:07:54 PM
when i was looking around in another forum, SVT contour owners said about low to mid 20s
What do you expect for a high-performance SVT car? The SVT Focus gets about the same mileage, and it's a 4-bangzer! If you're so concerned, I'll trade you the 'st33m, it gets 36mpg floored in 3rd gear trying to climb a 10% grade at 70mph. :lol:
does the SVT Focus also take premium?
talking about that, my dad said my car's an old POS so it doesn't need premium anymore :rage:
Quote from: NACar on July 19, 2007, 10:09:26 PM
What do you expect for a high-performance SVT car? The SVT Focus gets about the same mileage, and it's a 4-bangzer! If you're so concerned, I'll trade you the 'st33m, it gets 36mpg floored in 3rd gear trying to climb a 10% grade at 70mph. :lol:
With high gas prices if I was him, I'd trade you.
Quote from: M_power on July 19, 2007, 10:10:39 PM
talking about that, my dad said my car's an old POS so it doesn't need premium anymore :rage:
yes, fucus takes premium, and so does your i think. If you don't use it, the knock sensor will figure it out and cut timing, so you'll make less power and get worse gas mileage. It's probabably worth the extra cost of premium gas because you will probably use less of it, but you might experiement a bit to find out for sure.
Quote from: The_Joker on July 19, 2007, 10:12:06 PM
With high gas prices if I was him, I'd trade you.
:praise:
Quote from: NACar on July 19, 2007, 10:12:15 PM
yes, fucus takes premium, and so does your i think. If you don't use it, the knock sensor will figure it out and cut timing, so you'll make less power and get worse gas mileage. It's probabably worth the extra cost of premium gas because you will probably use less of it, but you might experiement a bit to find out for sure.
I've already put in premium
Quote from: M_power on July 19, 2007, 10:12:54 PM
I've already put in premium
Well, gosh darn golly, I guess that's the end of that, it's not like you'll ever fill up your tank again :rolleyes: :P
Could he not mix 93/89 octane to save some pennies or 91/87 or whatever equivalent?
Quote from: NACar on July 19, 2007, 10:13:32 PM
Well, gosh darn golly, I guess that's the end of that, it's not like you'll ever fill up your tank again :rolleyes: :P
And i plan on sticking to premium
I'm glad i don't have to pay .20 more a gallon for premium. Yikes!
maybe using regular will make the engine asplode quickly and I could swap a 3L in there :devil:
Quote from: M_power on July 19, 2007, 10:16:42 PM
maybe using regular will make the engine asplode quickly and I could swap a 3L in there :devil:
$$$$!
:cry:
i think if the engine was to go, i'd probably get rid of the car
clutch, i'd probably replace
How many miles does the Contour have?
Quote from: M_power on July 19, 2007, 10:07:04 PM
I think i'm getting some terrible mileage right now. I started the trip distance thing when i filled the tank so i'm gonna try to calculate what kind of mileage i got after i fill up next time
try shifting normally (1-2-3-4-5). IIRC, you'd have to be revving pretty high in 1st if you're going straight to 3rd. better for the engine that way, anyways.
Quote from: M_power on July 19, 2007, 10:21:36 PM
i think if the engine was to go, i'd probably get rid of the car
get rid of it over here! I'll fix her up!
Quote from: Vinsanity on July 19, 2007, 10:22:45 PM
try shifting normally (1-2-3-4-5). IIRC, you'd have to rev pretty high in 1st if you're going straight to 3rd. better for the engine that way, anyways.
Yeah, and try shifting around 2000-2500rpm if you're just putting around.
Quote from: The Pirate on July 19, 2007, 10:22:41 PM
How many miles does the Contour have?
just under 110k miles
when i go from 1-3, i'm usually at 3-3.5k so i guess thats pretty high
When I first started driving manual on the Protege I was shifting in the mid 3,000-4,000 range. I cut down to lower 2,000s and noticed smoother shifts, and better gas mileage. Higher RPMs, more fuel consumed. In fact on a few major roads in the country near my house I have shifted to 5th gear just for the fact that instead of running in the mid to high 3,000's I could be in the 2,000's.
Bah, I usually shift between 3K and 4K rpm.
if there's no traffic around, i shift at like 2k
which makes me shift alot and takes away some of the boredom :lol:
Quote from: NACar on July 19, 2007, 10:12:15 PM
yes, fucus takes premium, and so does your i think. If you don't use it, the knock sensor will figure it out and cut timing, so you'll make less power and get worse gas mileage. It's probabably worth the extra cost of premium gas because you will probably use less of it, but you might experiement a bit to find out for sure.
Any difference in fuel economy between regular and premium, at least in the case of a '95 Prelude, is unnoticeable. I still use premium except when it goes over $3.20 or when I am feeling particularly cheap.
Quote from: Vinsanity on July 19, 2007, 10:22:45 PM
try shifting normally (1-2-3-4-5). IIRC, you'd have to be revving pretty high in 1st if you're going straight to 3rd. better for the engine that way, anyways.
I almost always skip at least one gear, often a couple. The engine never lugs and the only time I really rev high at all is when I just gotta-to-go (which is also when I typically actually do 1-2-3-4-5).
I've got a manual transmission question: will the car go into 1st when you're rolling along slowly?
Quote from: Raghavan on July 19, 2007, 10:56:16 PM
I've got a manual transmission question: will the car go into 1st when you're rolling along slowly?
yes.
Actually the 07 Mustang i drove wouldn't let me
Quote from: M_power on July 19, 2007, 10:57:08 PM
yes.
Actually the 07 Mustang i drove wouldn't let me
It was really hard to get the Civic i drove into first when i was driving along at about 5-10 mph... I was in 2nd with the clutch in but it didn't want to move into first. :huh:
hmm
the contour lets me :huh:
im pretty sure the 3st33m allowed it as well
how new is the civic?
Is it easy to get into or is it hesitant?
hey jamal is there like a button or something you press before you can take the key out of the ignition?
Quote from: Raghavan on July 19, 2007, 11:01:19 PM
Is it easy to get into or is it hesitant?
just like getting into any gear
hmm
:huh:
All of the MT cars (three, '04 Outback, '95 Neon, and '95 Prelude) require you to be rolling very slowly (below 5 probably) to go into 1st gear.
Ah...
I was coming to a stop at a signal when it turned green. I was going really slowly and tried to shift into 1st but wouldn't let me. Maybe i was going too fast or something... :huh:
Oh well, thanks guys.
im gonna try that tmr
Quote from: M_power on July 19, 2007, 11:25:59 PM
im gonna try that tmr
Don't blame me if you blow out your transmission. :mask:
Quote from: TBR on July 19, 2007, 11:21:21 PM
All of the MT cars (three, '04 Outback, '95 Neon, and '95 Prelude) require you to be rolling very slowly (below 5 probably) to go into 1st gear.
unless you double clutch it :ohyeah:
Quote from: Raghavan on July 19, 2007, 11:26:46 PM
Don't blame me if you blow out your transmission. :mask:
:lol:
It would cause any harm, there is just some sort of interlock to stop you from doing it, I guess to save the synchro. Really, 1st is almost always too short if you are already rolling.
Quote from: NACar on July 19, 2007, 11:27:36 PM
unless you double clutch it :ohyeah:
I don't even know how to do that.
Quote from: TBR on July 19, 2007, 11:28:30 PM
It would cause any harm, there is just some sort of interlock to stop you from doing it, I guess to save the synchro. Really, 1st is almost always too short if you are already rolling.
i actually don't even bother going into first unless i'm completely stopped
Quote from: TBR on July 19, 2007, 11:29:21 PM
I don't even know how to do that.
then don't try or you'll break somthing :lol:
Good idea.
go practice on nick's 3st33m :lol:
Quote from: M_power on July 19, 2007, 11:34:35 PM
go practice on nick's 3st33m :lol:
it's already falling apart enough as it is, i don't need the process expedieted :nono:
have u hit the 100k mark yet with ze 3st33m?
Quote from: M_power on July 19, 2007, 11:37:03 PM
have u hit the 100k mark yet with ze 3st33m?
300 miles to go
That's just weak, let me know when you get to 300k and then I'll be impressed.
:lol: :lol:
Quote from: NACar on July 19, 2007, 10:12:15 PM
yes, fucus takes premium, and so does your i think. If you don't use it, the knock sensor will figure it out and cut timing, so you'll make less power and get worse gas mileage. It's probabably worth the extra cost of premium gas because you will probably use less of it, but you might experiement a bit to find out for sure.
:banghead:
I hate the "it runs on 87, why pay more?" mentality. Fuckin' retards.
Quote from: The_Joker on July 19, 2007, 10:16:38 PM
I'm glad i don't have to pay .20 more a gallon for premium.? Yikes!
You get used to it. My first three cars take premium, and my fourth one will too. Considering how much I love turbochargers, I doubt I'll be using 87 any time soon.
Quote from: Raghavan on July 19, 2007, 11:00:09 PM
It was really hard to get the Civic i drove into first when i was driving along at about 5-10 mph... I was in 2nd with the clutch in but it didn't want to move into first. :huh:
Try pulling the shifter out of 2nd, into the neutral gate, back the 3/4 rest spot, and then into first. Many transmissions will stop you from going from 2nd into first, to avoid an accidental shift, I assume.
Also, depending on the trans, shifting back into 1st at 10mph is pretty inadvisable. I usually don't get back into 1st until I drop to 6mph.
Quote from: Raza on July 20, 2007, 06:01:12 AM
:banghead:
I hate the "it runs on 87, why pay more?" mentality. Fuckin' retards.
Fuckin' rich boys who parents pay all of their bills.
Quote from: TBR on July 20, 2007, 12:15:29 PM
Fuckin' rich boys who parents pay all of their bills.
You're talking marginal increases in price. You go for 87 instead of 93, your engine will make less power and will get worse gas mileage. You're the one that doesn't use air conditioning because it eats up 2/10ths of an MPG.
Using premium does not have any noticeable impact on fuel economy and will run you about $3.00 per tank or $9-12 per paycheck for me. Sorry, I am not always willing to throw away that much money on a 10 year old car with 300k miles. As far as less power, since I don't drive like a bandit except when gas is real cheap (as in around $2.00 for 87) it just doesn't matter.
But, if I was to get something like this (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2006-SUBARU-LEGACY-GT-LTD-AWD-PERRIN-INTK-FREE-SHIPPING_W0QQitemZ330148138307QQihZ014QQcategoryZ31869QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) you better believe I would put premium in it. No car payment, no car payment...maybe saying it over and over again will help me resist!!
Quote from: Raza on July 20, 2007, 12:22:48 PM
You're talking marginal increases in price. You go for 87 instead of 93, your engine will make less power and will get worse gas mileage. You're the one that doesn't use air conditioning because it eats up 2/10ths of an MPG.
In many cases gas mileage increases with regular over premium, but yes, you do lose some power. For some, a marginal performance drop is less significant than what some may consider the marginal savings.
Quote from: Raghavan on July 19, 2007, 10:56:16 PM
I've got a manual transmission question: will the car go into 1st when you're rolling along slowly?
I did it a couple times by accident when I first got my Protege. The engine was screaming a bit when i did it, and it slowed it down pretty fast from like 20 or whatever it was. Felt dumb afterwards because it slows you down to a crawl in first.
Quote from: M_power on July 19, 2007, 11:01:38 PM
hey jamal is there like a button or something you press before you can take the key out of the ignition?
For the Protege there is no button. My dads old Ford Explorer Sport 5 Speed (FAST I know!) had a button over the ignition that I remember having to press when I was in it.
I couldn't figure out how to get the key out of the Protege after the test drive, and then when I got home with it. I didn't realize you had to push the key into the ignition as you turn counter clockwise to release it.
Anyone else here with a M/T like freak out the first few times driving it or in a new car. I didn't know how to drive it besides the test drive when I kind of learned. First few times I was hesitant to stop and go again, as I didn't have a good feel for the clutch to get going in first gear.
When i test drove the Mazda 3, there was a button or something. I had never seen it before and you know what the salesperson told me? "It's like that with ANY manual car you'll find on the road" :wtf:
Quote from: M_power on July 20, 2007, 03:09:05 PM
When i test drove the Mazda 3, there was a button or something. I had never seen it before and you know what the salesperson told me? "It's like that with ANY manual car you'll find on the road" :wtf:
Nope, my car doesn't have that button, neither did my Civic or Ford truck. A friend's Chevy S10 does, though.
Quote from: TBR on July 19, 2007, 11:21:21 PM
All of the MT cars (three, '04 Outback, '95 Neon, and '95 Prelude) require you to be rolling very slowly (below 5 probably) to go into 1st gear.
Goose the throttle, it'll go in.
Hell, I used to downshift into first at 30 MPH
Clutchless in the S2000 all the time, and you had to rev the motor up to 6000 RPM in order to do it smoothly.
Quote from: M_power on July 20, 2007, 03:09:05 PM
When i test drove the Mazda 3, there was a button or something. I had never seen it before and you know what the salesperson told me? "It's like that with ANY manual car you'll find on the road" :wtf:
I should be keeping a list of all the stupid things car salespeople have told me.
I remember this from the Dodge salesman a while back. My brother asked if the Magnum came in FWD just to see if the salesman knew his product. The salesman said it comes in FWD and RWD. I had a good laugh at that.
I may be returning to carless state soon. stay tuned
Quote from: M_power on July 20, 2007, 05:25:33 PM
I may be returning to carless state soon. stay tuned
What's the issue?
ze engine
instead of putting money into it, i might just sell it off right now and make a profit on the car
Right. Good call. Hmm.
At least your clutch and part of your transmission wasn't shot like mine the day after I got it. Car shopping is fun though.
if i sell the car, there's a very good chance i'm gonna be joining the protege group
Can't say that'd be a bad thing. We're kind of a rare breed compared to the Corollaholics and Civicites out there.
I love mine. Get an 01 to 03 ES though. I wouldn't bother with the lower trim levels. Get a manual as well, Mazda auto trannies aren't the greatest.
of course i'm getting a manual car.
(http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/6601/zoomzoommediumix5.jpg)
:lol:
Dude, where'd you get the zoom-zoom sticker? That's awesome!
Quote from: The Pirate on July 20, 2007, 05:57:27 PM
Dude, where'd you get the zoom-zoom sticker! That's awesome!
Well I didn't put it there. Previous owner did, I just kept it there. Mazda I believe sent them to the owner after they bought with a letter. My mom got one with her Mazda 6 last year too in the mail.
People sell custom colored ones on ebay and vinyl ones just like the sticker.
On Mazdausa.com under Inside Mazda -> Mechandise -> Mazda Brand M store -> Accessories -> they sell the white and black ones separate in a package of 50 for 12.50.
What one would do with 50 zoom zoom stickers, I have no clue. :huh: :lol:
Quote from: The_Joker on July 20, 2007, 06:03:05 PM
What one would do with 50 zoom zoom stickers, I have no clue. :huh: :lol:
The return of the parking lot sticker fairy!
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 20, 2007, 06:06:03 PM
The return of the parking lot sticker fairy!
Tagging random cars would be fun at school for instance, except that everyone would find out it was me.
Quote from: The_Joker on July 20, 2007, 06:13:17 PM
Tagging random cars would be fun at school for instance, except that everyone would find out it was me.
Yeah, best to hit a random parking lot for that. Only tag Mazdas though!
Quote from: The Pirate on July 20, 2007, 06:16:20 PM
Yeah, best to hit a random parking lot for that.? Only tag Mazdas though!?
No, tag everything.
Hummers, Lexuses, cadillacs...
(upside down, the sticker would read wooz, wooz :lol:)
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 20, 2007, 06:18:31 PM
No, tag everything.
Hummers, Lexuses, cadillacs...
(upside down, the sticker would read wooz, wooz :lol:)
hahaha
oh Pirate, here's a picture of my tires like you asked that the dealership put on before they sold it.
(http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/5993/wheelfd0.jpg)
Dang wheel lock ruins the appearance.
My Neon had a button by the key. No biggy once you get used to it.
Quote from: M_power on July 19, 2007, 10:21:36 PM
i think if the engine was to go, i'd probably get rid of the car
:confused: :mask:
Quote from: TBR on July 20, 2007, 12:31:53 PM
But, if I was to get something like this (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2006-SUBARU-LEGACY-GT-LTD-AWD-PERRIN-INTK-FREE-SHIPPING_W0QQitemZ330148138307QQihZ014QQcategoryZ31869QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) you better believe I would put premium in it. No car payment, no car payment...maybe saying it over and over again will help me resist!!
If you look at the car, you'll see that the piping for the turbo (I assume) is super long.... car must have lots of turbo lag
Quote from: M_power on July 21, 2007, 08:56:09 PM
good call or what
Are you going to work on the car or are you going to get rid of it?
Quote from: Raghavan on July 21, 2007, 09:12:17 PM
Are you going to work on the car or are you going to get rid of it?
i'm afraid i'm gonna have to let it go
You would have to part it out or sell it for about $2k or so to a guy who wants to do a swap though. So basically you're either spending tons of time parting it out to get your money back or you quickly take a $4k loss. :(
Quote from: Raghavan on July 21, 2007, 09:29:04 PM
You would have to part it out or sell it for about $2k or so to a guy who wants to do a swap though. So basically you're either spending tons of time parting it out to get your money back or you quickly take a $4k loss. :(
What kind of math do they teach you in Cali? :devil:
He paid $4600 for it, so if he sells it for two G's, that's a loss of $2600. Not exactly chump change, but it's far from $4K.
Quote from: The Pirate on July 21, 2007, 09:37:05 PM
What kind of math do they teach you in Cali? :devil:
He paid $4600 for it, so if he sells it for two G's, that's a loss of $2600. Not exactly chump change, but it's far from $4K.
Oh right. For some reason i thought he bought it for $6k but that's what he wanted to sell it for before it seized.
2 G's is easily doable I think. I'm trying to get like 3000 for it though...still remains to be seen what'll happen
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 20, 2007, 05:03:27 PM
Goose the throttle, it'll go in.
Hell, I used to downshift into first at 30 MPH Clutchless in the S2000 all the time, and you had to rev the motor up to 6000 RPM in order to do it smoothly.
gear jammer :rolleyes: