Okay, so I'm looking around eBay and realizing that I really don't want the Camry as my first car. My dad and I have been talking about this as well. So, I've narrowed it down to a few vehicles.
In order:
1.) W124 300 TD or TE wagon with less than 150,000 miles
2.) Volvo 740 Turbo sedan or wagon with less than 125,000 miles
3.) Hyundai Elantra GT hatch withunder 75,000 miles and a manual transmission
But here's the catch...It can't be more than $5,000. On a budget, and it's a very tight budget. We'll sell the Camry and use that money for my car. We'll also get my dad a new car so everyone will have transportation.
Location?
Um, congrats? :huh:
I'm not so much a fan of the Hyundai, but it may be one of the more practical choices. I have no idea how the 740 Turbo held up, but it does have a turbo and those at higher mileages may be bad news.
Greater Dallas area.
The less miles the better. If that's all you're looking at, I think you should go for the Hyundai. How willing are you to expand your options?
I'm looking extensively on eBay and Auto Trader.
If you got AWD, which you really don't need, would you rallycross it?
I'd get an Accent or something as to have the lowest amount of miles possible.
Quote from: sandertheshark on September 16, 2007, 05:04:19 PM
The less miles the better. If that's all you're looking at, I think you should go for the Hyundai. How willing are you to expand your options?
Very. That's just what comes to mind at this point in time.
Quote from: the Teuton on September 16, 2007, 05:06:37 PM
If you got AWD, which you really don't need, would you rallycross it?
I would LIKE to, but that wouldn't be possible...this IS, in fact, Texas.
Quote from: CJ on September 16, 2007, 05:09:37 PM
Very. That's just what comes to mind at this point in time.
Okay, what's your overall criteria? besides the price tag.
I want to have something better than the Camry that HASN'T been wrecked. And I'd like a sunroof. That's about it.
Quote from: CJ on September 16, 2007, 05:20:31 PM
I want to have something better than the Camry that HASN'T been wrecked. And I'd like a sunroof. That's about it.
(http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/1701/dsc01805mediumxi3.jpg)
Better than a Camry, not wrecked, and a nice sunroof.
You probably could find one around your range too. But I'd drive an Intrepid over my dead body.
You could find a B4 Passat for around $3.5-4K
Umm.....I'd rather not drive one of those. They're way too big, too expensive, and, being a Chrysler product, reliability will be iffy, at best.
Quote from: CJ on September 16, 2007, 05:29:33 PM
Umm.....I'd rather not drive one of those. They're way too big, too expensive, and, being a Chrysler product, reliability will be iffy, at best.
160k and I've yet to see any problems. Too expensive? HA! Too big, maybe.
Are B4 Passat's reliable? I like the look of them, but I'm not sure how reliable they are.
Quote from: CJ on September 16, 2007, 05:29:33 PM
Umm.....I'd rather not drive one of those.
I'm with you on that, bro.
Quote from: CJ on September 16, 2007, 05:30:58 PM
Are B4 Passat's reliable? I like the look of them, but I'm not sure how reliable they are.
They're VWs. No they're not reliable. Seriously. VWs are great cars but horrible reliability.
Quote from: TheIntrepid on September 16, 2007, 05:31:47 PM
They're VWs. No they're not reliable. Seriously. VWs are great cars but horrible reliability.
No, Trep, ELECTRICS on VW's are unreliable. The mechanicals should be absolutely fine.
Quote from: TheIntrepid on September 16, 2007, 05:30:26 PM
160k and I've yet to see any problems.
Oh really? What about your thread in The Garage about your climate control? That's a problem, is it not?
Quote from: CJ on September 16, 2007, 05:32:40 PM
Oh really? What about your thread in The Garage about your climate control? That's a problem, is it not?
On second thought, stick to the Camry.
I don't think I need to name my top choice at this point, but just in case CJ has missed every other cheap used auto advice thread:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/de/2000-2004_Ford_Focus_SE_sedan.jpg/450px-2000-2004_Ford_Focus_SE_sedan.jpg)
Quote from: ro51092 on September 16, 2007, 05:32:25 PM
No, Trep, ELECTRICS on VW's are unreliable. The mechanicals should be absolutely fine.
Exactly. It's unreliable.
Quote from: CJ on September 16, 2007, 05:32:40 PM
Oh really? What about your thread in The Garage about your climate control? That's a problem, is it not?
My dealer said I fucked it up by leaving the A/C on and just turning the fan on and off. I don't need the fan on when the A/C's off, so I just leave it the system off when I open my sunroof/windows (which is 90% of the time). I don't see how I messed it up, but I guess I did.
Ok, I plugged that (<$5000 and <100k mi. +sunroof) into cars.com for the Dallas area and found a '94 Volvo 960, a '97 Nissan Maxima, a '94 Infiniti J30, a 2000 Mazda 626, and a '98 Civic.
Huh....I'm looking at a '98 Passat 2.8 GLX and it looks to be a pretty darn good deal. Pretty cheap to boot. I think the B4 is a serious contender now.
I say Legacy 2.5 GT.
Oh, and I'm also looking atlate 90's-'00 Saturn SL2's.
Do you want a compact or midsize?
Quote from: CJ on September 16, 2007, 05:42:33 PM
Oh, and I'm also looking atlate 90's-'00 Saturn SL2's.
Seriously? I'd rather hold on to a Camry than get one of those. But if you think you want one, this popped up when I did that cars.com search:
http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp;?tracktype=usedcc&searchType=22&pageNumber=0&numResultsPerPage=50&largeNumResultsPerPage=0&sortorder=descending&sortfield=PRICE+descending&certifiedOnly=false&criteria=K-sunroof%7CE-ALL%7CG-100000%7CB-5000%7CH-%7CN-N%7CR-50%7CI-1%7CP-PRICE+descending%7CQ-descending%7CX-popular%7CZ-75202&aff=national&paId=237214836&recnum=1&leadExists=true
I saw that one and I kinda like it. I just really want a car that hasn't been wrecked.
I would prefer a midsize, but a compact works the same way. They're all cars.
Quote from: CJ on September 16, 2007, 05:42:33 PM
Oh, and I'm also looking atlate 90's-'00 Saturn SL2's.
Yet you rule out Intrepids.
The Intrepid is a POS and I don't want it. Those Saturn's, on the other hand, are very reliable and very low mainanence. YOu have to keep a wrench on Chryslers.
Also, mid 90's Tacoma single cabs with a V6, 5-speed, and 4-wheel drive.
Quote from: CJ on September 16, 2007, 05:50:55 PM
Also, mid 90's Tacoma single cabs with a V6, 5-speed, and 4-wheel drive.
Those are really expensive still, and are bad on gas.
I'd go with a 2WD, 5 speed I4 if i were you.
Single cab or double cab, really.
Quote from: CJ on September 16, 2007, 05:52:45 PM
Single cab or double cab, really.
Still bad gas mileage.
Quote from: CJ on September 16, 2007, 05:50:55 PM
Also, mid 90's Tacoma single cabs with a V6, 5-speed, and 4-wheel drive.
Why do you need a truck?
I don't. Last year, I was looking at these and they really seemed to be the way to go. That was also when I could find one with relatively low miles and cost less than $4,000. But they don't anymore, so they're off the list.
I think I'll add 1995-1997 Acura Integra's on the list. They seem to be relatively cheap.
Quote from: CJ on September 16, 2007, 06:03:01 PM
I think I'll add 1995-1997 Acura Integra's on the list. They seem to be relatively cheap.
Remember, age is also important, not just mileage.
I just really want a car that hasn't been wrecked and this is a good way to do it. I'll probably search dealership lots when the time comes to buy, but right now I'm just looking at what I like.
Doesn't your brother already have an Integra?
Yes. :lol: They're cheap, reliable, and are easy to find.
Quote from: sandertheshark on September 16, 2007, 05:36:23 PM
Ok, I plugged that (<$5000 and <100k mi. +sunroof) into cars.com for the Dallas area and found a '94 Volvo 960, a '97 Nissan Maxima, a '94 Infiniti J30, a 2000 Mazda 626, and a '98 Civic.
The Volvo 960 had a really nice I6, is safe, RWD, and is a pretty nice car. Possibily not the most fun, but a very solid car.
Those 960's are wonderful! If I could find one in great shape around here, or on eBay, I'd jump for it.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1997-960-Sedan-Black-Exceptional-Outstanding-Buy_W0QQitemZ170148955427QQihZ007QQcategoryZ6458QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Perfect
Oh my. That IS perfect. I must find one of these in a year.
Quote from: CJ on September 16, 2007, 05:37:33 PM
Huh....I'm looking at a '98 Passat 2.8 GLX and it looks to be a pretty darn good deal. Pretty cheap to boot. I think the B4 is a serious contender now.
1998 is a B5
just make sure u dont get a rare car like i did :lol:
Of the three on your list, I'd go with the Hyundai.
Older European cars, while they may be reliable, are going to require repairs and maintenance periodically and it's not going to be cheap. You mention being on a very tight budget, which would rule out an older, high mileage European car IMO.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ONLY-83k-MILES-SERVICED-WARRANTY-INCLUDED-i33_W0QQitemZ290159040158QQihZ019QQcategoryZ31878QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Check that sucker out!
I know there are risks with older Eurpean cars, but there's just so much character in them that it'd be worth it.
850s are nice. My mom had a white 1993 850GLT back in the day.
Quote from: The Pirate on September 16, 2007, 06:53:49 PM
Of the three on your list, I'd go with the Hyundai.
Older European cars, while they may be reliable, are going to require repairs and maintenance periodically and it's not going to be cheap. You mention being on a very tight budget, which would rule out an older, high mileage European car IMO.
I agree. You need to be able to afford not only the car but the costs it will inevitably bring with it.
Don't forget they're not cheap to repair either.
Quote from: AKL on September 16, 2007, 07:08:24 PM
I agree. You need to be able to afford not only the car but the costs it will inevitably bring with it.
++
I really wanted a B5 Passat to be on my list, but I am too scared of problems. That's why the Infiniti is there. Just as fun AND reliable.
A TD will not die. They just won't.
I mean, it has it's downfalls. Same day acceleration, an unpleasant and obtrusive exhaust note, and long winter startups are a problem, but buying a TD is essentially buying a car that will last for as long as you keep it, if not longer.
Plus, it's awesome.
You can find good condition W-126 300 SE or SD's for about five thousand too, might want to look into them.
Quote from: Submariner on September 16, 2007, 07:20:57 PM
A TD will not die. They just won't.
I mean, it has it's downfalls. Same day acceleration, an unpleasant and obtrusive exhaust note, and long winter startups are a problem, but buying a TD is essentially buying a car that will last for as long as you keep it, if not longer.
Plus, it's awesome.
You can find good condition W-126 300 SE or SD's for about five thousand too, might want to look into them.
Torque compensates the lack of power in the fun to drive department, not to mention good gas mileage and being a diesel also less maintenance costs.
I say keep up with the Saturn's, I worked there for 3 years and loved the cars. It is one of my top cars under $5k to buy - I always look at them come winter time cuz I think of storing the Vig.
I have one thing about those Saturn's. Are the transmissions any bad?
Quote from: CJ on September 16, 2007, 08:37:23 PM
I have one thing about those Saturn's. Are the transmissions any bad?
Is you good in English?
At least I don't have an Intrepid.
Quote from: CJ on September 16, 2007, 08:40:39 PM
At least I don't have an Intrepid.
That really shows that you're good at English.
:confused:
Quote from: CJ on September 16, 2007, 08:40:39 PM
At least I don't have an Intrepid.
That's right. You don't even have a car.
Quote from: CJ on September 16, 2007, 08:42:06 PM
:confused:
YU MUSHT NOHT UHNDURSTAHND ME. TREP SAY THAT U NO GOOD ENGLISH. YU SAY HE HAS TREPID. I SAY YU GOOD ENGLISH NOW. YOU CONFUSD. UHNDURSTAHND?
(sorry to be a jackass, I couldn't resist)
Quote from: ro51092 on September 16, 2007, 08:46:34 PM
YU MUSHT NOHT UHNDURSTAHND ME. TREP SAY THAT U NO GOOD ENGLISH. YU SAY HE HAS TREPID. I SAY YU GOOD ENGLISH NOW. YOU CONFUSD. UHNDURSTAHND?
(sorry to be a jackass, I couldn't resist)
:lol: :lol: :lol:
I'm sure my cab driver from last night speaks better English than CJ
(http://www.amritbani.com/images/HarwinderSingh.jpg)
Please reply to me in Luxury Talk.
Quote from: ro51092 on September 16, 2007, 08:46:34 PM
YU MUSHT NOHT UHNDURSTAHND ME. TREP SAY THAT U NO GOOD ENGLISH. YU SAY HE HAS TREPID. I SAY YU GOOD ENGLISH NOW. YOU CONFUSD. UHNDURSTAHND?
(sorry to be a jackass, I couldn't resist)
First thing that made me think of:
(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/61CO8CuaGWL._AA240_.jpg)
Quote from: sandertheshark on September 16, 2007, 08:51:06 PM
First thing that made me think of:
(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/61CO8CuaGWL._AA240_.jpg)
:lol:
As I was in your shoes at the beginning of this year and I ended up with a Saturn SC1.
Weak points:
Oil burning. They are noted for consuming oil. Keep an eye on it.
Engine Coolant Temp Sensor. $20 part and 10 minutes to upgrade it to a new sensor.
Top motor mount tends to wear. Easy fix.
Differential pin. If your car has done one wheel spinning, the differential pin could go and destroy the transmission case. Make sure your car wasn't abused by a previous owner. The pin take a fair bit of abuse.
Pros: Parts are cheap.
Easy for a novice to fix
Excellent gas mileage.
Other than the issues above, reliable.
Edit: Can't spell.
Not really any more likely to go bad under normal driving conditions than any other tranny on the market. I don't remember anything specific so to me it's a non-issue.
They really are quite good cars.
850s are maintenance nightmares.
Whenever someone has the $5,000 issues, I always have the same answer:
http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp;?tracktype=usedcc&searchType=22&pageNumber=0&numResultsPerPage=50&largeNumResultsPerPage=0&sortorder=descending&sortfield=PRICE+descending&certifiedOnly=false&criteria=K-%7CE-ANY%7CM-_30_%7CB-5000%7CH-%7CD-_283_%7CN-N%7CR-100%7CI-1%7CP-PRICE+descending%7CQ-descending%7CX-popular%7CZ-75074&aff=national&paId=134535591&recnum=3&leadExists=true
Cheap, reliable, fun to drive for what it is. I've known so many people that owned these cars, I can't help but endorse them. Shit, that one even has a sunroof.
Quote from: BimmerM3 on September 16, 2007, 11:04:39 PM
Whenever someone has the $5,000 issues, I always have the same answer:
http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp;?tracktype=usedcc&searchType=22&pageNumber=0&numResultsPerPage=50&largeNumResultsPerPage=0&sortorder=descending&sortfield=PRICE+descending&certifiedOnly=false&criteria=K-%7CE-ANY%7CM-_30_%7CB-5000%7CH-%7CD-_283_%7CN-N%7CR-100%7CI-1%7CP-PRICE+descending%7CQ-descending%7CX-popular%7CZ-75074&aff=national&paId=134535591&recnum=3&leadExists=true
Cheap, reliable, fun to drive for what it is. I've known so many people that owned these cars, I can't help but endorse them. Shit, that one even has a sunroof.
This is my answer to the $5000 question:
(http://www.ragsclub.com/90-97.mazda.miata.jpg)
I need to get one next summer. Wicked bad. :praise:
If I only had $5,000 to buy the best value for my money, and wanted reliablity and good gas mileage, like CJ does, I'd buy the best Camry available for $5k, probably something between 1998-2000.
Oh wait, he already has a 2000 Camry.
If I could find a Miata for $5,000 when I'm ready to buy, I'll see what my dad says about it. That is, after all, one of his favorite cars....ever. To the Protege: I'll definitely look for those. Honestly, they escaped my mind.
If 850s are nightmares, then they're off the list.
Are used cars that expensive over there?! wow....
For 5 grand I thought you could do much better than a 10 year old Volvo. Why don't you look at American brands, as the Saturns show, their values drop a lot more steeply AFAIK. Plus the maintenance will be cheaper I'd guess from the fact that parts are easier to find and less expensive. Something like a Pontiac or a small Buick comes to mind.
Otherwise, what's wrong with a Camry? Not the most exciting thing but it's reliable, comfortable and pretty safe.
Failing that, if you really want something a bit different, the W124 is a GREAT choice. Those things are tanks. The diesel would be a great bet, as it's been said it will last a lifetime and won't be too bad on fuel consumption.
What's wrong with our Camry is the fact that it has been wrecked. It was wrecked quite badly nearly 3 years ago and nearly totaled. Idiot teenage brother behind the wheel of a speeding car on a wet curvy road with storm drains FTL.
I have the possibility of getting my Grandma's Buick if she passes away in the next year, but I don't want that to happen.
When you say wrecked, you mean it was a write off, or just damaged and then repaired?
It it was repaired properly what's the problem?
5 grand is a lot of money on the used market, believe it or not.
I'd get a 3 door Focus stickshift.
Quote from: CJ on September 17, 2007, 10:52:37 AM
If I could find a Miata for $5,000 when I'm ready to buy, I'll see what my dad says about it. That is, after all, one of his favorite cars....ever. To the Protege: I'll definitely look for those. Honestly, they escaped my mind.
If 850s are nightmares, then they're off the list.
You should at least test drive the Protege, and shoot me any questions about them. I have a 2001 ES, and I like it a lot.
You'll be hard-pressed to find a more fun to drive car in that category.
I can find a million NA Miatas for under $5k.
Mine was $6k for a '95 with 53k miles, popular equip package (incl. LSD), and a hardtop.
NA's are nice. I think the Proteg? is an awesome choice.
Whatever you wanted, throw them all out the window. This car will hit 60 mph in the low 5s, maybe high 4s. If it weren't in Texas, I'd buy it.
http://houston.craigslist.org/car/424013318.html
Quote from: the Teuton on September 17, 2007, 02:04:38 PM
Whatever you wanted, throw them all out the window. This car will hit 60 mph in the low 5s, maybe high 4s. If it weren't in Texas, I'd buy it.
http://houston.craigslist.org/car/424013318.html
You win.
Did I mention that it's still insured as an Impreza L -- one of the lowest costs of insurance out there for compact cars?
Quote from: the Teuton on September 17, 2007, 02:13:46 PM
Did I mention that it's still insured as an Impreza L -- one of the lowest costs of insurance out there for compact cars?
So when it's wrecked, they'll give you replacement cost for a 12 year old base model Subaru, around 2 grand if you're lucky.
Were something to happen that required an insurance claim, you'd be bitten in the ass.
Quote from: The Pirate on September 17, 2007, 02:17:47 PM
So when it's wrecked, they'll give you replacement cost for a 12 year old base model Subaru, around 2 grand if you're lucky.
Were something to happen that required an insurance claim, you'd be bitten in the ass.
'Swat I was thinking.
Quote from: CJ on September 16, 2007, 05:50:55 PM
Also, mid 90's Tacoma single cabs with a V6, 5-speed, and 4-wheel drive.
Make it a I-4. V6's suck. Also, look at It's similar rival, the Nissan Pickup and Frontier.
The I-4 will get the same gas mileage as the V6. The I-4 will have to haul "more" weight while the V6 hauls "less."
Besides, I took them off the list.
Quote from: CJ on September 17, 2007, 10:52:37 AM
If I could find a Miata for $5,000 when I'm ready to buy, I'll see what my dad says about it. That is, after all, one of his favorite cars....ever. To the Protege: I'll definitely look for those. Honestly, they escaped my mind.
If 850s are nightmares, then they're off the list.
Insurance will likely be almost unpayable on the Miata.
Sentra, Maxima, ZX2, Focus or Civic?
Quote from: 2o6 on September 17, 2007, 02:39:03 PM
Make it a I-4. V6's suck. Also, look at It's similar rival, the Nissan Pickup and Frontier.
Not too mention that the V6 was only available in the regular cab for two years or so. A decent condition reg. cab. V6 Tacoma would be very tough to find.
Corolla VE Touring
(http://www.carsearch.com/photos/733634.jpeg)
3-speed auto for sheer horsepower, and a spoiler to add over 100 more. :rockon:
I'm sure it can beat Nick's 'st33m in a straight line.
A FWD Eclipse?
Focus. Or Protege.
Regarding the Impreza, I wouldn't necessarily put comp coverage on a $5500 car. It would really depend on the area that I lived in (in a more urban area, definitely. But, where I am now, probably not).
Quote from: CJ on September 17, 2007, 02:40:22 PM
The I-4 will get the same gas mileage as the V6. The I-4 will have to haul "more" weight while the V6 hauls "less."
Besides, I took them off the list.
On Paper........In real life, the I-4 gets better MPG than the V6.......at least the Nissan does.........
Prelude? Celica?
For Dirt Cheap cars, the S-series is your best bet......
Quote from: TheIntrepid on September 17, 2007, 02:41:55 PM
Corolla VE Touring
(http://www.carsearch.com/photos/733634.jpeg)
3-speed auto for sheer horsepower, and a spoiler to add over 100 more. :rockon:
I'm sure it can beat Nick's 'st33m in a straight line.
Thing is, I actually liked the Corola in that Model Trim. Looks Great.
Quote from: TBR on September 17, 2007, 02:43:28 PM
Regarding the Impreza, I wouldn't necessarily put comp coverage on a $5500 car. It would really depend on the area that I lived in (in a more urban area, definitely. But, where I am now, probably not).
I'd put comprehensive just in case. You never know.
Quote from: TheIntrepid on September 17, 2007, 02:45:43 PM
I'd put comprehensive just in case. You never know.
Comprehensive is good if your car still has some value. Depending on circumstances, it can be a waste of money though.
I didn't have it on my first two cars.
Quote from: TheIntrepid on September 17, 2007, 02:41:55 PM
Corolla VE Touring
3-speed auto for sheer horsepower, and a spoiler to add over 100 more. :rockon:
I'm sure it can beat Nick's 'st33m in a straight line.
You are so full of sh*t. There is no way a 3spd Corollas are soooo dog slow. They can't go uphills if the A/C is on. :rolleyes:
The Prelude is a nice car, but it will end up costing you to get one with any thing resembling low miles. And hope you don't need to use the rear seat as an actual rear seat (makes a fine parcel tray though).
Quote from: NACar on September 17, 2007, 02:48:41 PM
You are so full of sh*t. There is no way a 3spd Corollas are soooo dog slow. They can't go uphills if the A/C is on. :rolleyes:
This is true. My sister's first car was a '98 VE. MY DEAR LORD it's a slow pos. It's my cousin's now. It has 3-speeds, one of which is overdrive. Drive it in L, 2, then D, and it's a Tiptronic. :lol:
Quote from: TheIntrepid on September 17, 2007, 02:45:43 PM
I'd put comprehensive just in case. You never know.
And throw away about $100 per month? To me between $4000 and $5000 is a question mark as far as comp is concerned, below that and no way. Above that, then definitely.
My sister's Tracscort is faster than a 3spd Corolla.
Quote from: NACar on September 17, 2007, 02:52:07 PM
My sister's Tracscort is faster than a 3spd Corolla.
Is it an Escort or a Tracer?
Quote from: TheIntrepid on September 17, 2007, 02:54:31 PM
Is it an Escort or a Tracer?
It's a '96 Tracer Trio.
The Trio package adds k00l r1mz and a spoiler and a leather-wrapped steering wheel. :lol:
It's seriously faster than the '94 Escort, though. I'm pretty sure it has a shorter final drive.
The engine and transmission in that car are worth about $3,000. It's all good.
Quote from: 2o6 on September 17, 2007, 02:41:22 PM
Insurance will likely be almost unpayable on the Miata.
So untrue! Insurance for the Miata was roughly equivalent to my Camry's.
Also, comprehensive insurance coverage on a $5k vehicle is stupid.
Quote from: NACar on September 17, 2007, 02:56:08 PM
It's a '96 Tracer Trio.
The Trio package adds k00l r1mz and a spoiler and a leather-wrapped steering wheel. :lol:
It's seriously faster than the '94 Escort, though. I'm pretty sure it has a shorter final drive.
PICS OR SHENS!
Quote from: Laconian on September 17, 2007, 03:00:04 PM
So untrue! Insurance for the Miata was roughly equivalent to my Camry's.
Also, comprehensive insurance coverage on a $5k vehicle is stupid.
Don't forget, CJ is only 15/16.
I said it was roughly the same rate as the Camry, which will still hold true regardless of age.
And the Camry is cheap to insure relative to the Integra, Civic, Prelude, Eclipse, and other cars that so popular for ricers to crash or steal these days.
Quote from: Laconian on September 17, 2007, 03:04:29 PM
I said it was roughly the same rate as the Camry, which will still hold true regardless of age.
And the Camry is cheap to insure relative to the Integra, Civic, Prelude, Eclipse, and other cars that so popular for ricers to crash or steal these days.
Stupid question, but is the Eclipse (old and new, if there's a difference) RWD or FWD?
You go with the Subaru and you will officially have one of the top 10 fastest cars on these forums. Realistically, it should be faster than Raza's Porsche if it was tuned properly.
Who's faster than the Boxster S on here?
Quote from: TheIntrepid on September 17, 2007, 03:05:48 PM
Stupid question, but is the Eclipse (old and new, if there's a difference) RWD or FWD?
FWD, but the GSX Model (As well as it's sister models Plymouth Laser and Eagle Talon) has AWD.
Another 2+2 sporty coupe the Mitsu Starion (Chrysler Conquest in Canada) was RWD.
Quote from: 2o6 on September 17, 2007, 03:07:56 PM
FWD, but the GSX Model (As well as it's sister models Plymouth Laser and Eagle Talon) has AWD.
Another 2+2 sporty coupe the Mitsu Starion (Chrysler Conquest in Canada) was RWD.
Thanks.
Quote from: TheIntrepid on September 17, 2007, 03:05:48 PM
Stupid question, but is the Eclipse (old and new, if there's a difference) RWD or FWD?
Everything except the GS-X Diamond Star models are FWD. The GS-T is turbo but FWD.
All of the ~2001+ Shitbring-derivatives are FWD.
Quote from: TheIntrepid on September 17, 2007, 03:07:50 PM
Who's faster than the Boxster S on here?
NorrisR :rockon:
403/404/whatever (the guy with the C5 Z06)
Sander (cobra replica)
...
Quote from: TheIntrepid on September 17, 2007, 03:05:48 PM
Stupid question, but is the Eclipse (old and new, if there's a difference) RWD or FWD?
FWD or AWD up to ~1999 (maybe after 2000 but not sure), then FWD only.
Quote from: Laconian on September 17, 2007, 03:09:45 PM
NorrisR :rockon:
403/404/whatever (the guy with the C5 Z06)
Sander (cobra replica)
...
NomisR, 565, okay. Sander doesn't have a Cobra replica, does he?! :confused:
Quote from: TheIntrepid on September 17, 2007, 03:01:10 PM
PICS OR SHENS!
wutz a SHENS?
i didnt' bring my camera, so these stock photos will have to do:
(http://www.meblan.net/cars/tracer.jpg)
they both look like this, basically
the tracer is the same color, but has alloy wheels and a spoiler thingy
the fescrot is dark blue, doesn't have a spoiler, and has rusty black st33L wheelz
SHENS is genmay speak for bullshit. :lol:
I simply cannot believe that someone on this forum actually owns a car as amazingly fast and sexy as a Tracer. They're just so hot :rockon: :rockon: :rockon:
[/Wimmer]
oh wait, Sander has a Fairlane cobra... eh, I turned sigs off a long time ago and my memory has gone rusty.
Quote from: the Teuton on September 17, 2007, 03:25:42 PM
NomisR
You're always on time, aren't you? See a couple posts up.
FBC's EVO might be faster than Raza's Boxster, and if his Z actually makes 400 hp, then that's also faster too.
Quote from: Raghavan on September 17, 2007, 03:38:29 PM
FBC's EVO might be faster than Raza's Boxster, and if his Z actually makes 400 hp, then that's also faster too.
Plus, Raz's Boxster isn't a real porsche. It's a Boxster body on a Suzuki Reno platform.
Quote from: TheIntrepid on September 17, 2007, 03:07:50 PM
Who's faster than the Boxster S on here?
I'd say LTD Scott's LTD :lol:
Quote from: TheIntrepid on September 17, 2007, 03:39:14 PM
Plus, Raz's Boxster isn't a real porsche.
I clenched my fists when I first read that. Then I realized that it was a joke. :lol:
Quote from: ro51092 on September 17, 2007, 03:40:37 PM
I clenched my fists when I first read that. Then I realized that it was a joke. :lol:
;)
Once you go AWD, you never go back. Think about it...
I don't need AWD, though. I just don't.
Quote from: the Teuton on September 17, 2007, 03:58:39 PM
Once you go AWD, you never go back. Think about it...
MPG's will go down.......but AWD would come in Handy.
What about a 5 or 3 series?
Quote from: CJ on September 17, 2007, 03:59:43 PM
I don't need AWD, though. I just don't.
There comes a time when wants come ahead of needs. No wheelspin whatsoever when you're ripping a (C5 or older) Corvette owner a new one.
Quote from: 2o6 on September 17, 2007, 04:01:02 PM
MPG's will go down.......but AWD would come in Handy.
What about a 5 or 3 series?
He could get an E34 or an E36 for that kinda cash.
^^
I don't know what that is.
Saab 900/9-3?
Come on, you know you want to shut those ricers at the end of your high school parking lot up.
Quote from: 2o6 on September 17, 2007, 04:04:43 PM
^^
I don't know what that is.
Saab 900/9-3?
E34= BMW 5er- 1988-1996
E36= BMW 3er- 1992-1998
Here's a Pristine Lexus SC.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/300-Coupe-5-Speed-Beautiful-Reliable-Cared-For_W0QQitemZ230172511904QQihZ013QQcategoryZ6300QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Quote from: 2o6 on September 17, 2007, 04:10:46 PM
Here's a Pristine Lexus SC.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/300-Coupe-5-Speed-Beautiful-Reliable-Cared-For_W0QQitemZ230172511904QQihZ013QQcategoryZ6300QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
That has a shitload of miles.
Oops. Wasn't looking.
It's a Toyota. Miles are pretty much irrelevant. :lol:
Quote from: TheIntrepid on September 17, 2007, 04:16:24 PM
It's a Toyota. Miles are pretty much irrelevant. :lol:
That's cuz those are metric cars...
Quote from: the Teuton on September 17, 2007, 04:05:57 PM
Come on, you know you want to shut those ricers at the end of your high school parking lot up.
I'm not looking to buy for another good 9 months.
Quote from: CJ on September 17, 2007, 04:23:01 PM
I'm not looking to buy for another good 9 months.
So 9 months from now, buy the best thing out of anything mentioned in this thread with fewest miles and best price. That's all anyone here can tell you.
Quote from: CJ on September 17, 2007, 04:23:01 PM
I'm not looking to buy for another good 9 months.
Damn, let's shoot for a Mustang GT then.
If you can buy a Lexus for <$5k, it's probably going to be a shitty Lexus. The same goes for any other car that was spendy when it was new.
Quote from: TheIntrepid on September 17, 2007, 03:07:50 PM
Who's faster than the Boxster S on here?
Lebowski's Corvette is faster in a straight line than my Box S.
Quote from: Laconian on September 17, 2007, 03:09:45 PM
NorrisR :rockon:
403/404/whatever (the guy with the C5 Z06)
Sander (cobra replica)
...
Since when did Sander have a Cobra?
as I said... I remembered wrong, it was a Fairlane cobra...
He was remembering incorrectly, he corrected himself in a later post.
Anyone else think he should just get the swapped Impreza?
No. I don't think he should have that much power in his first car, plus it isn't a practical option from a reliability/gas mileage standpoint. Plus it isn't a viable option anyway, seeing as how he can't buy for 5 months.
You're probably right. :(
Quote from: Raza on September 17, 2007, 05:06:43 PM
Since when did Sander have a Cobra?
It's a
Fairlane Cobra. :huh:
Still faster than a Boxster S. :praise:
Jeri's faster than a Boxster as well.
NINE months, TBR. Nine.
Quote from: TBR on September 17, 2007, 05:18:36 PM
No. I don't think he should have that much power in his first car, plus it isn't a practical option from a reliability/gas mileage standpoint. Plus it isn't a viable option anyway, seeing as how he can't buy for 5 months.
Plus, I doubt he's a very good driver. He's not a very good typist, so he doesnt' have much coordination. :lol:
Quote from: CJ on September 17, 2007, 05:20:08 PM
NINE months, TBR. Nine.
At least I have better reading comp than some of these bozos :tounge:
Quote from: TheIntrepid on September 17, 2007, 05:20:16 PM
Plus, I doubt he's a very good driver. He's not a very good typist, so he doesnt' have much coordination. :lol:
And that makes sense...how? I was driving the whole family a while back ago and my brother was being an ass about my driving and my mom just said, "He's a better driver than you are." That shut him up.
Quote from: CJ on September 17, 2007, 05:28:22 PM
And that makes sense...how? I was driving the whole family a while back ago and my brother was being an ass about my driving and my mom just said, "He's a better driver than you are." That shut him up.
Your mom pwned him. Plus, your brother's a terrible driver. How many cars has he crashed?
How many have been his fault? 1. Trep, you've been making very arrogant posts lately. Can you just stop? How would you know my brother's a terrible driver? He is a terrible driver...but that's what he gets for being left handed.
Quote from: CJ on September 17, 2007, 05:34:50 PM
How many have been his fault? 1. Trep, you've been making very arrogant posts lately. Can you just stop? How would you know my brother's a terrible driver? He is a terrible driver...but that's what he gets for being left handed.
lol okay I'm sorry if I offended you. Though you shouldn't blame that on being left handed. My girlfriend's a lefty and she can outdrive most people I know.
Quote from: sandertheshark on September 17, 2007, 05:19:56 PM
It's a Fairlane Cobra. :huh:
Still faster than a Boxster S. :praise:
Jeri's faster than a Boxster as well.
Is Jeri your 335i?
Then no.
Quote from: CJ on September 17, 2007, 05:28:22 PM
And that makes sense...how? I was driving the whole family a while back ago and my brother was being an ass about my driving and my mom just said, "He's a better driver than you are." That shut him up.
He needs Buford on board.
Quote from: Raza on September 18, 2007, 01:02:29 PM
Is Jeri your 335i?
Then no.
Maybe not an '07 Boxster S. It would be close though.
Quote from: sandertheshark on September 18, 2007, 09:16:41 PM
Maybe not an '07 Boxster S. It would be close though.
In a straight it would be close, I do agree.
Quote from: CJ on September 17, 2007, 05:34:50 PM
How many have been his fault? 1. Trep, you've been making very arrogant posts lately. Can you just stop? How would you know my brother's a terrible driver? He is a terrible driver...but that's what he gets for being left handed.
How is being left handed an excuse? I'm left handed and I'm not a terrible driver.
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on September 19, 2007, 06:54:04 AM
How is being left handed an excuse? I'm left handed and I'm not a terrible driver.
That's obviously because you're on the wrong side of the road, so it's reversed. ;)
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on September 19, 2007, 06:54:04 AM
How is being left handed an excuse? I'm left handed and I'm not a terrible driver.
Southpaws must be terrible at picking up sarcasm too! :devil:
Quote from: ifcar on September 19, 2007, 07:00:48 AM
That's obviously because you're on the wrong side of the road, so it's reversed. ;)
:lol: But what about all the right handed people here then?
Quote from: ifcar on September 19, 2007, 07:00:48 AM
That's obviously because you're on the wrong side of the road, so it's reversed. ;)
:lol: :lol: Iffy made a funny.
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on September 19, 2007, 09:32:27 AM
:lol: But what about all the right handed people here then?
Arr, they be terrible drivers.
Acura CL?
Sporty, Quick.......
Quote from: 2o6 on September 20, 2007, 03:24:37 PM
Acura CL?
Sporty, Quick.......
It's an Accord. Why pay so much more? RSX-S is a better choice.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=11204.msg576987#msg576987 date=1190387233
It's an Accord. Why pay so much more? RSX-S is a better choice.
RSX-S is also more expensive to insure than my car.
Quote from: JYODER240 on September 21, 2007, 03:33:56 PM
RSX-S is also more expensive to insure than my car.
I doubt that's the trend. Maybe it was for you, but I don't think it's going to be the same for everyone.
Quote from: Raza on September 21, 2007, 05:49:44 PM
I doubt that's the trend. Maybe it was for you, but I don't think it's going to be the same for everyone.
It is if everyone who buys an RSX is a ric3r teenager who just got their license, and everyone who buys 350z's are older and more mature (mostly because it is more expensive). It's all about statistics.
Quote from: NACar on September 21, 2007, 05:51:35 PM
It is if everyone who buys an RSX is a ric3r teenager who just got their license, and everyone who buys 350z's are older and more mature (mostly because it is more expensive). It's all about statistics.
Personally, I see many young people in 350Zs. Almost exclusively. And remember, you could get a 350Z for about 22-23K; just a little more than an RSX.
Quote from: Raza on September 21, 2007, 05:53:49 PM
Personally, I see many young people in 350Zs. Almost exclusively. And remember, you could get a 350Z for about 22-23K; just a little more than an RSX.
22K!? I was almost sure they started closer to 27k. Anyhoo... there must be some statistics supporting that 350Z's are less of a risk than RSX's. Hondas are some of the most stolen vehicles, so perhaps that has something to do with it.
Quote from: NACar on September 21, 2007, 06:17:05 PM
22K!? I was almost sure they started closer to 27k. Anyhoo... there must be some statistics supporting that 350Z's are less of a risk than RSX's. Hondas are some of the most stolen vehicles, so perhaps that has something to do with it.
Just checked, looks like 24-25K for a base model in 2003. Still, an RSX-S was like 22 grand.
The RSX and Integra were at one point the country's most stolen vehicles.
CL is way too much money. And, like Raza said, it's just an Accord. Integra's insurance rates are lower than the Camry's.
Toyota Celica?
Ford Focus? (After the year 2000)
Celica is too cramped. The Focus is a good idea, and I'll look into it. I don't want it to explode, though.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=11204.msg577424#msg577424 date=1190418584
I doubt that's the trend. Maybe it was for you, but I don't think it's going to be the same for everyone.
No that is the trend.
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Insurance/InsureYourCar/10CostliestCarsToInsure.aspx (http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Insurance/InsureYourCar/10CostliestCarsToInsure.aspx)
Quote from: CJ on September 21, 2007, 09:42:15 PM
Celica is too cramped. The Focus is a good idea, and I'll look into it. I don't want it to explode, though.
Honda Prelude.....Rival Your Brother..........
Toyota Solara?
The Solara isn't cheap, nor is the Prelude. I could try to find one that is cheap, but I'd be hard pressed. I will definitely look for Preludes...just an unraped one.
What about an E36 328i?
I've actually been looking at those. A lot of them fit in my budget, and some don't. A lot of the ones that do have 100k miles, sometimes less. They're a big hit on the list.
Quote from: CJ on September 22, 2007, 02:24:57 PM
I've actually been looking at those. A lot of them fit in my budget, and some don't. A lot of the ones that do have 100k miles, sometimes less. They're a big hit on the list.
318ti. I saw some kid pull a bicycle out of the trunk of one. A full size, person bike, without the wheel taken off.
Not quick, but good handling, very practical, and cheap.
http://www.randomuseless.info/318ti/performance.html
This guy got 0-60 in 9.1 seconds. Automatic transmission, full tank of gas, driver; with a stick, I'd say you're saving about half a second. They are decently quick then.
Just seeing some of the commentary on Honda's being some of the most stolen vehicles in the US.... I'm not sure if they're doing things differently in Canada here... but what model years are the most stolen Honda's?
I know from at least 2002 and onward they've had immobilizers installed in all of their models, at least in Canada. How are thieves getting around these things? And if they are.. I gotta look at some more stuff beyond my immobilizer and club I guess.... yeesh.
Sheesh, I'm having a hard time finding unmolested Preludes.
Quote from: Northlands on September 22, 2007, 02:37:49 PM
Just seeing some of the commentary on Honda's being some of the most stolen vehicles in the US.... I'm not sure if they're doing things differently in Canada here... but what model years are the most stolen Honda's?
I know from at least 2002 and onward they've had immobilizers installed in all of their models, at least in Canada. How are thieves getting around these things? And if they are.. I gotta look at some more stuff beyond my immobilizer and club I guess.... yeesh.
Last list I saw had the Integra and Civic high on the list, but also the BMW Z3 and M coupes and roadsters.
Quote from: Northlands on September 22, 2007, 02:37:49 PM
Just seeing some of the commentary on Honda's being some of the most stolen vehicles in the US.... I'm not sure if they're doing things differently in Canada here... but what model years are the most stolen Honda's?
I know from at least 2002 and onward they've had immobilizers installed in all of their models, at least in Canada. How are thieves getting around these things? And if they are.. I gotta look at some more stuff beyond my immobilizer and club I guess.... yeesh.
Tow trucks don't give a damn if you have an immobilizer and a club. Without a tow truck, you can cut the steering wheel to defeat the club in less than 20 seconds: and a spare ECM swapped in for the original defeats the immobilizer almost as easily.
My friends mom is going to be selling her Focus ZTW, the wagon, soon and I'm thinking about seeing if I can work out a payment plan with her. I love that car, and it'd be the perfect opportunity. Any thoughts?
I'd have to get a job during the summer in order to help pay, but I think it's a good idea.
Quote from: CJ on September 25, 2007, 06:25:46 PM
My friends mom is going to be selling her Focus ZTW, the wagon, soon and I'm thinking about seeing if I can work out a payment plan with her. I love that car, and it'd be the perfect opportunity. Any thoughts?
Stick?
If not, I'd hold out for a ZX3 5 speed.
Quote from: CJ on September 25, 2007, 06:25:46 PM
My friends mom is going to be selling her Focus ZTW, the wagon, soon and I'm thinking about seeing if I can work out a payment plan with her. I love that car, and it'd be the perfect opportunity. Any thoughts?
You're in the unique opportunity of knowing how well the car was cared for / maintained, so base your decision on that.
JUST GET THE FUCUS BEFORE YOU DO SOMETHING STUPID LIKE GETTING A CAMRY! Even with an automatic, it still has that great Focus feeling, but stick is da rul3z0r!
Go for the Focus..........
That's what I'm going to shoot for. I do know how it's been maintained, so that's a huge advantage. I'll talk to her before they sell it.
Quote from: NACar on September 26, 2007, 09:45:22 AM
JUST GET THE FUCUS BEFORE YOU DO SOMETHING STUPID LIKE GETTING A CAMRY! Even with an automatic, it still has that great Focus feeling, but stick is da rul3z0r!
regret selling t3h focus much? :lol:
Is the Focus a manual?
i bet you not
No, it's not.