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Title: Mazda 5 In September
Post by: Catman on May 11, 2005, 06:18:57 AM
(http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/31-10294-201943-383/mazda1x_450.jpg)

(http://www.netcar.co.il/img2/news/mazda5_5.jpg)

(http://www.netcar.co.il/img2/news/mazda5_8.jpg)

(http://www.netcar.co.il/img2/news/mazda5_6.jpg)

I think this is the Euro one but the US version is about the same as far as I know.  Word is that prices start at $18,000!  That's a decent price.  Looks to be economical too.   Anyone have specs?
Title: Mazda 5 In September
Post by: ifcar on May 11, 2005, 06:31:45 AM
Full prices and specs are up at Edmunds.  
Title: Mazda 5 In September
Post by: Catman on May 11, 2005, 06:40:54 AM
More pics and specs.

(http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/VEHICLE/2006/Mazda/100533546/20024491-E.jpg)

(http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/VEHICLE/2006/Mazda/100533546/20024492-E.jpg)

Exterior
Length: 181.5 in.    Width: 69.1 in.
Height: 64.2 in.    Wheel Base: 108.3 in.
Ground Clearance: 5.5 in.    Curb Weight: 3333 lbs.
Gross Weight: 4572 lbs.

Interior
Front Head Room: 38.9 in.    Front Hip Room: 52.9 in.
Front Shoulder Room: 55.5 in.    Rear Head Room: 39.2 in.
Rear Shoulder Room: 55.6 in.    Rear Hip Room: 58.3 in.
Front Leg Room: 40.7 in.    Rear Leg Room: 35.2 in.
Luggage Capacity: 44.4 cu. ft.    Maximum Seating: 6
Performance Data

Performance
Base Number of Cylinders: 4    Base Engine Size: 2.3 liters
Base Engine Type: Inline 4    Horsepower: 157 hp
Max Horsepower: 6500 rpm    Torque: 148 ft-lbs.
Max Torque: 4500 rpm    Maximum Payload: 1239 lbs.
Drive Type: FWD    Turning Circle: 34.8 ft.

Fuel Data
Fuel Tank Capacity: 15.9 gal.    
EPA Mileage Estimates: (City/Highway)
Manual: 22 mpg / 27 mpg    
Range in Miles: (City/Highway)
Manual: 349.8 mi. / 429.3 mi.


I like what I'm seeing here so far.       
Title: Mazda 5 In September
Post by: mazda6er on May 11, 2005, 06:41:07 AM
Quote(http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/31-10294-201943-383/mazda1x_450.jpg)

Looking at this pic it looks like headlight washers will be an option. (the little squares under the lights). Anyway, seems to be another solid car from Mazda. Lately I've heard a lot of people moaning that Mazdas are overpriced. I still don't know where they get that from.
Title: Mazda 5 In September
Post by: Catman on May 11, 2005, 06:46:40 AM
That's a Euro one so I'm not sure on that.
Title: Mazda 5 In September
Post by: crv16 on May 11, 2005, 07:20:51 AM
Dear Mazda,

People who buy minivans are rarely ricers.  Please lose the altezza taillights.

Thanks
Title: Mazda 5 In September
Post by: Catman on May 11, 2005, 07:23:08 AM
QuoteDear Mazda,

People who buy minivans are rarely ricers.  Please lose the altezza taillights.

Thanks
I agree and hopefully they change them to these.

(http://www.netcar.co.il/img2/news/mazda5_3.jpg)
Title: Mazda 5 In September
Post by: crv16 on May 11, 2005, 07:27:58 AM
I like it.  It's about a foot shorter than my (first generation) Sienna, and 3 or 4 inches narrower.  I think the interior space of the my Sienna is about as small as I'd be willing to accept, lengthwise, so I'm curious if the interior of the 5 is more space efficient.
Title: Mazda 5 In September
Post by: TurboDan on May 11, 2005, 10:07:11 AM
QuoteDear Mazda,

People who buy minivans are rarely ricers.  Please lose the altezza taillights.

Thanks
That goes for you too Toyota!  :lol:

(http://www.cardesignnews.com/autoshows/2003/detroit/highlights/images/lexus-rx330-4398s.jpg)
Title: Mazda 5 In September
Post by: BMWDave on May 11, 2005, 11:18:57 AM
Quote
QuoteDear Mazda,

People who buy minivans are rarely ricers.? Please lose the altezza taillights.

Thanks
I agree and hopefully they change them to these.

(http://www.netcar.co.il/img2/news/mazda5_3.jpg)
I like those taillights a whole lot better than the clear ones.  I hope they change them.  But either way, the car still looks very nice!
Title: Mazda 5 In September
Post by: Zcarnut on May 14, 2005, 01:51:52 PM
Gas mileage looks kind of crappy considering its:
A 4 banger
A 5 speed manual
is fairly light (for a minivan).

Its basically a compact station wagon with sliding doors (somthing my wife would be interested in).


Are we getting a real engine for it here?
Title: Mazda 5 In September
Post by: Catman on May 14, 2005, 02:52:16 PM
QuoteGas mileage looks kind of crappy considering its:
A 4 banger
A 5 speed manual
is fairly light (for a minivan).

Its basically a compact station wagon with sliding doors (somthing my wife would be interested in).


Are we getting a real engine for it here?
Sometimes putting in a four cyl doesn't pan out efficiency-wise.  If the four is working too hard it will use alot of fuel.  Sometimes a smaller six is a better choice.  We'll have to wait and see.
Title: Mazda 5 In September
Post by: ifcar on May 14, 2005, 05:19:04 PM
Quote
QuoteGas mileage looks kind of crappy considering its:
A 4 banger
A 5 speed manual
is fairly light (for a minivan).

Its basically a compact station wagon with sliding doors (somthing my wife would be interested in).


Are we getting a real engine for it here?
Sometimes putting in a four cyl doesn't pan out efficiency-wise.  If the four is working too hard it will use alot of fuel.  Sometimes a smaller six is a better choice.  We'll have to wait and see.
As I said, both cars.com and Edmunds have full specs. We're getting the 2.3-liter only.  
Title: Mazda 5 In September
Post by: mazda6er on May 14, 2005, 05:21:40 PM
Quote
Quote
QuoteGas mileage looks kind of crappy considering its:
A 4 banger
A 5 speed manual
is fairly light (for a minivan).

Its basically a compact station wagon with sliding doors (somthing my wife would be interested in).


Are we getting a real engine for it here?
Sometimes putting in a four cyl doesn't pan out efficiency-wise.  If the four is working too hard it will use alot of fuel.  Sometimes a smaller six is a better choice.  We'll have to wait and see.
As I said, both cars.com and Edmunds have full specs. We're getting the 2.3-liter only.
That shouldn't be that bad. 0-60 probably in the 9 second range. Minivans aren't meant to be speedsters, although larger vans these days have substantial hp ratings in the mid-200s.
Title: Mazda 5 In September
Post by: BMWDave on May 14, 2005, 08:54:44 PM
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Quote
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QuoteGas mileage looks kind of crappy considering its:
A 4 banger
A 5 speed manual
is fairly light (for a minivan).

Its basically a compact station wagon with sliding doors (somthing my wife would be interested in).


Are we getting a real engine for it here?
Sometimes putting in a four cyl doesn't pan out efficiency-wise.  If the four is working too hard it will use alot of fuel.  Sometimes a smaller six is a better choice.  We'll have to wait and see.
As I said, both cars.com and Edmunds have full specs. We're getting the 2.3-liter only.
That shouldn't be that bad. 0-60 probably in the 9 second range. Minivans aren't meant to be speedsters, although larger vans these days have substantial hp ratings in the mid-200s.
Mazda would be smart to drop in the 6 cylinder from the 6.
Title: Mazda 5 In September
Post by: giant_mtb on May 14, 2005, 09:19:50 PM
(http://www.netcar.co.il/img2/news/mazda5_6.jpg)

Those seat cushions on the back seats sure look uncomfortable...they protrude from the seat itself!... <_<  
Title: Mazda 5 In September
Post by: BMWDave on May 14, 2005, 09:27:56 PM
Quote(http://www.netcar.co.il/img2/news/mazda5_6.jpg)

Those seat cushions on the back seats sure look uncomfortable...they protrude from the seat itself!... <_<
I believe that they higher themselves so they get level with your head.
Title: Mazda 5 In September
Post by: ifcar on May 15, 2005, 07:09:15 AM
Quote
Quote
Quote
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QuoteGas mileage looks kind of crappy considering its:
A 4 banger
A 5 speed manual
is fairly light (for a minivan).

Its basically a compact station wagon with sliding doors (somthing my wife would be interested in).


Are we getting a real engine for it here?
Sometimes putting in a four cyl doesn't pan out efficiency-wise.  If the four is working too hard it will use alot of fuel.  Sometimes a smaller six is a better choice.  We'll have to wait and see.
As I said, both cars.com and Edmunds have full specs. We're getting the 2.3-liter only.
That shouldn't be that bad. 0-60 probably in the 9 second range. Minivans aren't meant to be speedsters, although larger vans these days have substantial hp ratings in the mid-200s.
Mazda would be smart to drop in the 6 cylinder from the 6.
Having a small 4-cyl van and a larger 6-cyl van works. Having two 6-cyl vans, one just a bit bigger, does not.

The 2.3-liter is peppy enough as it is, and gets good-for-a-van fuel economy.
Title: Mazda 5 In September
Post by: ifcar on May 15, 2005, 07:11:55 AM
Quote
Quote(http://www.netcar.co.il/img2/news/mazda5_6.jpg)

Those seat cushions on the back seats sure look uncomfortable...they protrude from the seat itself!... <_<
I believe that they higher themselves so they get level with your head.
"Raise", not "higher".  ;)

And even raising them would still put them at back level. They were probably designed like that with seat versatility in mind more than third-row comfort, but it's also possible that they just look especially bad in that pic.  
Title: Mazda 5 In September
Post by: mazda6er on May 15, 2005, 09:46:43 AM
How exactly would those pads increase seat versatility?
Title: Mazda 5 In September
Post by: ifcar on May 15, 2005, 09:48:54 AM
QuoteHow exactly would those pads increase seat versatility?
It might help them fold flat easier. It was just a thought.  
Title: Mazda 5 In September
Post by: BMWDave on May 15, 2005, 10:13:26 AM
Quote
QuoteHow exactly would those pads increase seat versatility?
It might help them fold flat easier. It was just a thought.
They have similar ones on the Freestyle I believe that raise themselves.
Title: Mazda 5 In September
Post by: ifcar on May 15, 2005, 10:20:25 AM
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Quote
QuoteHow exactly would those pads increase seat versatility?
It might help them fold flat easier. It was just a thought.
They have similar ones on the Freestyle I believe that raise themselves.
But they're not THAT big.

(http://www.netcar.co.il/img2/news/mazda5_6.jpg)
(http://www.fordvehicles.com/assets/images/vehicle/pg/fsy05_027_int_lg.jpg)
Title: Mazda 5 In September
Post by: BMWDave on May 15, 2005, 10:21:57 AM
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Quote
Quote
QuoteHow exactly would those pads increase seat versatility?
It might help them fold flat easier. It was just a thought.
They have similar ones on the Freestyle I believe that raise themselves.
But they're not THAT big.

(http://www.netcar.co.il/img2/news/mazda5_6.jpg)
(http://www.fordvehicles.com/assets/images/vehicle/pg/fsy05_027_int_lg.jpg)
True...but I'm sure the Mazda's raise so that it doesnt jut into your back.
Title: Mazda 5 In September
Post by: ifcar on May 15, 2005, 10:24:18 AM
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Quote
Quote
Quote
QuoteHow exactly would those pads increase seat versatility?
It might help them fold flat easier. It was just a thought.
They have similar ones on the Freestyle I believe that raise themselves.
But they're not THAT big.

(http://www.netcar.co.il/img2/news/mazda5_6.jpg)
(http://www.fordvehicles.com/assets/images/vehicle/pg/fsy05_027_int_lg.jpg)
True...but I'm sure the Mazda's raise so that it doesnt jut into your back.
I'm sure that they raise, but there ought to be a reason that they're that big.
Title: Mazda 5 In September
Post by: mazda6er on May 15, 2005, 10:32:20 AM
Stinks of a design gimmick, I think.
Title: Mazda 5 In September
Post by: giant_mtb on May 15, 2005, 10:43:04 AM
Ya know what I think?  I think the seat backs raise when there's someone sitting in them.  Then when there isn't someone sitting there they are down so that the visibility out the back window isn't obstructed by the two seat backs in the already-elevated 3rd row.  And it doesn't matter if they're up when there's people sitting on them because the people themselves block the view...so it's a trade-off.
Title: Mazda 5 In September
Post by: ifcar on May 15, 2005, 10:54:18 AM
QuoteYa know what I think?  I think the seat backs raise when there's someone sitting in them.  Then when there isn't someone sitting there they are down so that the visibility out the back window isn't obstructed by the two seat backs in the already-elevated 3rd row.  And it doesn't matter if they're up when there's people sitting on them because the people themselves block the view...so it's a trade-off.
They're not seatbacks, they're headrests. And that's obviously the function of any headrests that can be raised and lowered, but it's just odd how large they are.  
Title: Mazda 5 In September
Post by: giant_mtb on May 15, 2005, 10:56:19 AM
Quote
QuoteYa know what I think?  I think the seat backs raise when there's someone sitting in them.  Then when there isn't someone sitting there they are down so that the visibility out the back window isn't obstructed by the two seat backs in the already-elevated 3rd row.  And it doesn't matter if they're up when there's people sitting on them because the people themselves block the view...so it's a trade-off.
They're not seatbacks, they're headrests. And that's obviously the function of any headrests that can be raised and lowered, but it's just odd how large they are.
Oh yeah, whoops. lol ^_^  And yeah...they are pretty large.  But if you compare the size of the 3rd row seats to the size of the first row or even the second they are significantly smaller...so a bigger headrest would be necessary to accommodate for the small seat.   ? I dunno...just shootin off thoughts.
Title: Mazda 5 In September
Post by: giant_mtb on May 15, 2005, 11:17:30 AM
I did some quick research on Mazda's website...and I found this...(simply click on the blue car up at the top where it says "Auto Show Models")
http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayPag...ionParameter=hq (http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayPage.action?pageParameter=bod§ionParameter=hq)
Title: Mazda 5 In September
Post by: giant_mtb on May 15, 2005, 11:19:24 AM
It shows an interior pic (click on the Mazda 5, then "Interior") where the 3rd row headrest things aren't quite as big...must be a lower-model considering this and I think it's a cloth interior...so hmm...  <_<
Title: Mazda 5 In September
Post by: BMWDave on May 15, 2005, 11:25:41 AM
QuoteI did some quick research on Mazda's website...and I found this...(simply click on the blue car up at the top where it says "Auto Show Models")
http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayPag...ionParameter=hq (http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayPage.action?pageParameter=bod?ionParameter=hq)
they look much smaller!  And a cloth interior or a leather one usually does not change the size of the headrests.
Title: Mazda 5 In September
Post by: ifcar on May 15, 2005, 11:46:56 AM
(http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/VEHICLE/2006/Mazda/100533546/20024495-E.jpg)

They are much smaller. The other pic must be of the Euro version.  
Title: Mazda 5 In September
Post by: mazda6er on May 15, 2005, 11:52:39 AM
ha, Europeans!
Title: Mazda 5 In September
Post by: giant_mtb on May 15, 2005, 11:55:24 AM
Quote
QuoteI did some quick research on Mazda's website...and I found this...(simply click on the blue car up at the top where it says "Auto Show Models")
http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayPag...ionParameter=hq (http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayPage.action?pageParameter=bod?ionParameter=hq)
they look much smaller!  And a cloth interior or a leather one usually does not change the size of the headrests.
Well I know that but I mean since it's a cloth interior it's probably a lower model and might not have the larger back seats like on that leather one...that's what I meant.