Poll
Question:
Which one?
Option 1: Alfa Romeo
votes: 18
Option 2: Citroen
votes: 0
Option 3: Dacia
votes: 1
Option 4: Fiat
votes: 1
Option 5: Lada
votes: 1
Option 6: Lancia
votes: 1
Option 7: Opel
votes: 0
Option 8: Peugeot
votes: 1
Option 9: Renault
votes: 2
Option 10: Seat
votes: 0
Option 11: Skoda
votes: 1
Option 12: None - I'd rather have a donkey as a means of transportation...
votes: 2
Just curious. :ohyeah:
I think Lancia has some cool cars but Lancia in the US will probably be like Saab - low volume...
I don't want any of them. So I don't care.
Quote from: Onslaught on June 24, 2009, 04:30:49 PM
I don't want any of them. So I don't care.
Keep driving your Toyota...eh, I mean Lexus. :evildude:
Added a new option for you. :lol:
Quote from: cawimmer430 on June 24, 2009, 04:31:26 PM
Keep driving your Toyota...eh, I mean Lexus. :evildude:
Added a new option for you. :lol:
I have no toyota. Or Lexus for that matter.
But I'd rather have one than any of these things.
One dacia sandero for me please.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on June 24, 2009, 04:29:25 PM
Just curious. :ohyeah:
I think Lancia has some cool cars but Lancia in the US will probably be like Saab - low volume...
If they came here with a reincarnated mid-engine Stratos and Evo/WRX-fighting Integrale, then that would be simply awesome. Otherwise, their lineup doesn't really look that compelling. I think it's kinda cool that the new Delta looks kinda like a Nissan Murano scaled down to the size of a VW Golf/Mazda 3, but what else do they have to offer? A minivan, a weird-looking city car, and a weird-looking sedan? meh.
Which would I rather have? The only cars that any of those manufacturers make that I would want are the Fiat 500 Abarth SS or an Alfa Romeo MiTo GTA.....hmmmm, that's tough. I'll go with the MiTo GTA. Alfa for me.
As much as I love Alfa Romeo and Fiat, my one vote has to go to Renault.
As much as I like Peugeot, I also had to give it to Renault.
Alfa doesn't offer many models. The MiTo is ugly, the Brera looks great, but Is outclassed/outperformed by the TT, and the 159 is too expensive.
Quote from: Onslaught on June 24, 2009, 04:30:49 PM
I don't want any of them. So I don't care.
Why?
EDIT:
Aw CRAP. Didn't see the Citroen option.
I want to change it.
Panda 100 hp, thanks.
Oh wait, we're probably going to get that anyway eventually.
I voted for Alfa, but if I had to do it again I'd probably choose Fiat.
I'd also like to see Citroen in the USA because I think they are nifty cars, but they aren't really my style.
Quote from: the Teuton on June 24, 2009, 06:04:27 PM
Panda 100 hp, thanks.
Oh wait, we're probably going to get that anyway eventually.
There are more European cars than the Panda 100HP. :rolleyes:
Seriously, you guys have made me dislike that car. I loved it when it came out. Now I can't stand it.
Why would you dislike a car just because other people like it?
Skoda. VW needs an outlet to get back to its roots and sell something inexpensive.
None, really.
I'd rather have existing brands sell their other cars here (Polo, Fiesta, Focus, etc).
At least the Fiesta (and maybe Polo) are coming here!
Quote from: TBR on June 24, 2009, 06:08:40 PM
Why would you dislike a car just because other people like it?
I really didn't like it in the first place. I hate it now that people keep talking about it.
Quote from: thecarnut on June 24, 2009, 06:22:59 PM
None, really.
I'd rather have existing brands sell their other cars here (Polo, Fiesta, Focus, etc).
At least the Fiesta (and maybe Polo) are coming here!
You wouldn't want to see a Modus, Megane, Clio or 207 here?
Quote from: 2o6 on June 24, 2009, 06:29:07 PM
I really didn't like it in the first place. I hate it now that people keep talking about it.
You wouldn't want to see a Modus, Megane, Clio or 207 here?
Besides The Renault 5 Turbo and Clio V6 I don't really care for anything from Renault or Citroen or Peugeot.
I guess I'd like Alfa here because of the 159.
I am getting mixed messages here:
Quote from: 2o6 on June 24, 2009, 06:29:07 PM
I really didn't like it in the first place. I hate it now that people keep talking about it.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 24, 2009, 06:05:48 PM
Seriously, you guys have made me dislike that car. I loved it when it came out. Now I can't stand it.
Quote from: TBR on June 24, 2009, 06:33:13 PM
I am getting mixed messages here:
You're a mixed message.
To my Saturn-driving brother:
Me: You heard Saturn is going to stay alive, right?
Him: Yeah
Me: Penske is basically going to use it to sell international products in the US. He's pimpin', and it looks like versions of Renaults will be his first hos.
Him: If Renault were any good, they'd sell their own cars here. They're dead here, and they deserve to stay that way.
I want an Alfa Romeo that competes with the Miata... a modern day Spider Veloce with 200 hp, 2400 lbs and under $25,000. I'd buy one tomorrow, red w/tan leather interior. I would.
Quote from: Payman on June 24, 2009, 06:52:27 PM
I want an Alfa Romeo that competes with the Miata... a modern day Spider Veloce with 200 hp, 2400 lbs and under $25,000. I'd buy one tomorrow, red w/tan leather interior. I would.
It will break down on you day after tomorrow.
:devil:
Quote from: ifcar on June 24, 2009, 06:17:21 PM
Skoda. VW needs an outlet to get back to its roots and sell something inexpensive.
In Car Magazine's GBU, every Skoda but one is rated as "Good", and none "Bad". It's a better ratio than VW gets.
But yes, an Octavia vRS would help to rid me of the Golf MkVI blues.
So would a Seat Leon Cupra though...tough choice.
The more the merrier, I say. But if I had to pick one, I'd have to go with Alfa.
I hope that Marcedes Banz or whatever company comes over. I hear they make some halfway decent Lexus knockoffs.
Quote from: ifcar on June 24, 2009, 06:17:21 PM
Skoda. VW needs an outlet to get back to its roots and sell something inexpensive.
Assuming equal specification (Octavia 2.0TDI/Jetta 2.0TDI, Octavia RS/Jetta 2.0TFSI etc.), the Skoda works out to be around 5-6% cheaper. I'm not sure if that's quite enough, especially considering the Volkswagen's higher resale. The Octavia makes more sense as a used proposition or as a wagon, which is something the Jetta doesn't offer here.
Alfa.
However, there's a part of me that would kill for a Skoda Octavia RS or whatever the 2.0T version is called. A cheaper GTI sedan that looks better than the GLI, I could live with that.
I'm voting Lada, because no one else will. And I have a strange attraction to Russian cars.
Quote from: Vinsanity on June 24, 2009, 04:41:10 PM
If they came here with a reincarnated mid-engine Stratos and Evo/WRX-fighting Integrale, then that would be simply awesome. Otherwise, their lineup doesn't really look that compelling. I think it's kinda cool that the new Delta looks kinda like a Nissan Murano scaled down to the size of a VW Golf/Mazda 3, but what else do they have to offer? A minivan, a weird-looking city car, and a weird-looking sedan? meh.
I personally find the new Delta to be very attractive. They look better in person and I have seen quite a few of them in Munich. Like I said, they'll probably be low volume in the US like Saab and will appeal to folks who want something semi-premium and individuality.
New Delta(http://photo.netcarshow.com/Lancia-Delta_2009_photo_12.jpg)
(http://photo.netcarshow.com/Lancia-Delta_2009_photo_10.jpg)
(http://photo.netcarshow.com/Lancia-Delta_2009_photo_21.jpg)
The Ypsilon is a Fiat 500 rival but a little more upscale. I think its unique design might appeal to a few individualists over in the US. Possibly wealthy teenage girls? They might trade in their RX's for one! :devil:
(http://photo.netcarshow.com/Lancia-Ypsilon_Sport_MomoDesign_2007_photo_01.jpg)
The Phedra...it doesn't hide the fact that it is a minivan. It has premium qualities too.
(http://photo.netcarshow.com/Lancia-Phedra_Promenade_2003_photo_01.jpg)
Quote from: ifcar on June 24, 2009, 06:17:21 PM
Skoda. VW needs an outlet to get back to its roots and sell something inexpensive.
Very good point. :ohyeah:
How do you think the Skoda Superb would do in the US? It is available in
3.6 V6 4Motion trim.
(http://photo.netcarshow.com/Skoda-Superb_2009_photo_02.jpg)
(http://photo.netcarshow.com/Skoda-Superb_2009_photo_08.jpg)
(http://photo.netcarshow.com/Skoda-Superb_2009_photo_2c.jpg)
(http://photo.netcarshow.com/Skoda-Superb_2009_photo_46.jpg)
Ford. :huh:
The brand I missed most would be Skoda. Since they aren't considered as stylish as Alfas and stuff I guess if I was american that wouldn't be the brand I would mention here.
But Skoda builds great cars with a very high quality for a good price. I could see myself driving a Skoda Superb 3.6 Combi in a few years. (the Superb even won comparisons against the new A4. If I remember correctly: ALthough beeing bigger it's even faster, because it's lighter)
I would love to get my hands on a Leon FR personally. GTI in a more attractive package at a far lower price? Were do I sign.
Alfa Romeo. Keep the rest.
Quote from: cawimmer430 on June 25, 2009, 05:55:54 AM
I personally find the new Delta to be very attractive. They look better in person and I have seen quite a few of them in Munich. Like I said, they'll probably be low volume in the US like Saab and will appeal to folks who want something semi-premium and individuality.
I do like the new Delta, but what's more important is that the very few people in N. America who are aware of the Lanica marque know them for the Stratos and Integrale. Crossing the pond without those cars would be almost pointless, especially as part of the Fiat group.
The cars I would bring to N. America if I were in charge of Fiat:
Fiat 500
Fiat Panda
Alfa MiTo
Alfa 159
Alfa Brera/Spider
Lancia Delta
Of course I would develop an "Integrale II" to accompany the Delta in shared Fiat S.p.A. showrooms, and eventually a Boxster-fighting Stratos when market conditions allow.
Quote from: Vinsanity on June 24, 2009, 04:41:10 PM
If they came here with a reincarnated mid-engine Stratos and Evo/WRX-fighting Integrale, then that would be simply awesome. Otherwise, their lineup doesn't really look that compelling. I think it's kinda cool that the new Delta looks kinda like a Nissan Murano scaled down to the size of a VW Golf/Mazda 3, but what else do they have to offer? A minivan, a weird-looking city car, and a weird-looking sedan? meh.
I want to cruise around in a Thesis!!!
I wouldnt mind if the VW group brought SEAT as a more affordable option.. It was rumored a few years ago but I doubt it..
Citroen may do well in the states.. Clean lines.. Similar styling to the Japanese
Quote from: Xer0 on June 25, 2009, 09:29:33 AM
I would love to get my hands on a Leon FR personally. GTI in a more attractive package at a far lower price? Were do I sign.
The FR is nice, but the Cupra has 240bhp and a passenger-punishing ride! When you're the driver, you won't be bothered by it, but it'll annoy the hell out of passengers. And do you know what that means?
You'll never be chosen to be the designated driver.
(http://www.evo.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_423/car_photo_211738_25.jpg)
But why I voted Renault:
(http://www.evo.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_559/car_photo_279630_25.jpg)
(http://www.evo.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_400/car_photo_200373_25.jpg)
(http://www.evo.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_434/car_photo_217456_25.jpg)
(That's the Renaultsport dCi 175...diesel!)
(http://www.evo.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_588/car_photo_294366_25.jpg)
(http://www.evo.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_580/car_photo_290034_25.jpg)
I don't like the new Megane much, but I could warm to it.
I'll take a Clio with the rear engine please!
Quote from: 2o6 on June 24, 2009, 06:29:07 PM
I really didn't like it in the first place. I hate it now that people keep talking about it.
You wouldn't want to see a Modus, Megane, Clio or 207 here?
Who'd want to see a Modus anyway? It's ugly as fuck.
Quote from: R-inge on June 25, 2009, 02:02:51 PM
I'll take a Clio with the rear engine please!
Yeah, me too! But I limited my decision to being based on cars they produce now (or in the very recent past), because if any brand ever came over, it's not like they would bring thousands of used cars with them.
(http://www.evo.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_434/car_photo_217456_25.jpg)
Awesome looking car.
It would be interesting to do this poll the other way round. Which American cars should be brought to Europe?
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on June 25, 2009, 02:10:25 PM
(http://www.evo.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_434/car_photo_217456_25.jpg)
Awesome looking car.
It would be interesting to do this poll the other way round. Which American cars should be brought to Europe?
Well, the three of you Europeans can sort of PM each other and then announce it to us, couldn't you? :lol:
Quote from: nickdrinkwater on June 25, 2009, 02:08:29 PM
Who'd want to see a Modus anyway? It's ugly as fuck.
I think it's a rather handsome car.
I think Citroen could be a Scion fighter, but actually have decent cars. Possibly along the lines of Volvo (but slightly cheaper), quirky cars that appeal to young upstarts.
Oh yeah, I see young people in Volvos all the time. Just the other day my friend said he couldn't wait to get out of his Civic and into an S80.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=19042.msg1094663#msg1094663 date=1245964350
Oh yeah, I see young people in Volvos all the time. Just the other day my friend said he couldn't wait to get out of his Civic and into an S80.
Maybe VW would be a better comparison. However, I do see a lot of people in S40/V50's and C30's.
I could picture a C4 being a great alternative to the Rabbit.
Of those brands we get Alfa, Fiat, Seat, Peugeot & Renault in Mexico along with a few Opels (through GM).
If I had to recommend only one of those it'd be Renault. The Megane RS & Clio are great cars. The 207RC Pug is also good.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 25, 2009, 03:14:20 PM
Maybe VW would be a better comparison. However, I do see a lot of people in S40/V50's and C30's.
I could picture a C4 being a great alternative to the Rabbit.
I agree, the S40/C30 is probably the second most popular vehicle for the spoiled brats of Wake Forest (the Range Rover Sport being the most popular).
Quote from: Yawn on June 25, 2009, 12:42:53 PM
I want to cruise around in a Thesis!!!
I kind of like it too. The interior is awesome.
Quote from: TBR on June 25, 2009, 04:41:55 PM
I agree, the S40/C30 is probably the second most popular vehicle for the spoiled brats of Wake Forest (the Range Rover Sport being the most popular).
Well, around here, the C30 isn't popular with
anyone. :lol:
I see Continental GTs ten times more often than C30s.
Quote from: Yawn on June 25, 2009, 12:42:53 PM
I want to cruise around in a Thesis!!!
That car would probably make me speak in a ridiculous Italian accent
Quote from: Raza on June 25, 2009, 04:45:18 PM
Well, around here, the C30 isn't popular with anyone. :lol:
I see Continental GTs ten times more often than C30s.
Well it's mostly S40s, but I see 3-4 C30s on a daily basis. One of them is even the T5 with a stick.
No one else for the dacia sandero? Fuck you guys, me and james will be the coolest people this side of the Mississippi.
Quote from: TBR on June 25, 2009, 05:01:19 PM
Well it's mostly S40s, but I see 3-4 C30s on a daily basis. One of them is even the T5 with a stick.
I think they're all T5s, aren't they?
My local Volvo dealer (when it was a Volvo dealer) had
one stick Volvo in the past five years. S60R. I've never even seen a C30 stick.
Quote from: Raza on June 25, 2009, 05:03:56 PM
I think they're all T5s, aren't they?
My local Volvo dealer (when it was a Volvo dealer) had one stick Volvo in the past five years. S60R. I've never even seen a C30 stick.
Sure enough. Well it's the upper level model (has the two-tone paint).
Quote from: TBR on June 25, 2009, 05:05:54 PM
Sure enough. Well it's the upper level model (has the two-tone paint).
When I was looking for a car (when the local Volvo dealer was still a Volvo dealer!), I stopped in, thinking it would be a fresh new model and they'd have manuals. But they didn't. Then I looked at the sticker, subtracted the $1200 or so an automatic costs, and quickly retreated. They're ridiculously expensive; it's a shame, since they're cool, and it would be a nice direction for Volvo. But that price means poor sales and poor sales means Volvo execs will stick to big boring sedans.
Quote from: Raza on June 25, 2009, 05:14:53 PM
When I was looking for a car (when the local Volvo dealer was still a Volvo dealer!), I stopped in, thinking it would be a fresh new model and they'd have manuals. But they didn't. Then I looked at the sticker, subtracted the $1200 or so an automatic costs, and quickly retreated. They're ridiculously expensive; it's a shame, since they're cool, and it would be a nice direction for Volvo. But that price means poor sales and poor sales means Volvo execs will stick to big boring sedans.
I don't understand why anyone would buy one over a GTI. Sure it looks better, but the GTI is better in every other way as far as I can tell, including price.
I shall not forgive Lancia in the near future, because the Fulvia Concept was a delightful idea that richly deserved to make production.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/LanciaFulvia(2003).JPG/800px-LanciaFulvia(2003).JPG)
With current engine technology, that would be a fantastic little car.
Quote from: TBR on June 25, 2009, 05:28:28 PM
I don't understand why anyone would buy one over a GTI. Sure it looks better, but the GTI is better in every other way as far as I can tell, including price.
I don't even think it's better looking than a GTI. And yes, the GTI is better in pretty much every way.
But the Volvo isn't the obvious choice, and even though it isn't a better car than the GTI, perhaps being different was enough. If it had come out cheaper, I might be in one now, just because I don't like to be obvious. And I
love Volkswagens. It's not that I revel in being a contrarian, I'm just wired that way. :lol:
I'd certainly consider a C30, but only as a used proposition. Lovely little cars.
Fiat, Ford Europe, or a BMW 1er hatch with cloth seats.
kthxbai.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=19042.msg1094576#msg1094576 date=1245959806
The FR is nice, but the Cupra has 240bhp and a passenger-punishing ride! When you're the driver, you won't be bothered by it, but it'll annoy the hell out of passengers. And do you know what that means?
You'll never be chosen to be the designated driver.
240hp you say? I like the way you think.
On a slightly related un-related note if we extend this a bit more, when is Honda going to bring us the CTR :cry:
(http://www.importculture.net/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=2296&g2_serialNumber=4)