You want to stay under $50k. Say you're a single, 23 year old, and practically isn't much concern. :lol:
What would you get? Newness and warranty are a big benefit, so is keeping it to one car instead of 2 (but 2 is technically do-able). Just curious what everyone's thoughts are on this price range.
:popcorn:
Used Boxster S.
2012 Acura TL SH-AWD w/6sp M/T at $46k MSRP.
The Accordian is just too good a vehicle to leave the Honda fold, plus it has AWD, good room, great performance, and rock star reliabilty. Throw on a ski rack and hitch bike rack and it fits my life perfectly.
As always, I would buy a few cars with that kind of money.
Something good on gas and comfortable and cute;
Mazda 2 or Fiat 500. Maybe even the forthcoming Suzuki Swift.
Something fun to drive and fast;
Corvette?
I think I'd have a Genesis R-Spec, or whatever it's called.
Guys, think fun and impractical!
Not something cute, an Accord, and a luxobarge :lol:
Well, I'm in a period of my life where I need something practical...so I chose the Genesis R-Spec. 429 HP!
STI or 370Z
For that money I think it's hard to top the Corvette. 360Z is nice, but I'd rather have a Vet.
Quote from: MrH on May 30, 2011, 09:39:24 PM
Guys, think fun and impractical!
Not something cute, an Accord, and a luxobarge :lol:
If you wanna be stupid,
Used CL500.
(http://www.justcar.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Mercedes-Benz-cl500-19991.jpg)
There was an Asian guy getting one inspected when I was getting the Focus titled. It was glorious, had AMG wheels, too.
A used CL500 is neither fun or impractical. You failed again!
(http://jreperformanceparts.com/media/catalog/category/2012-mustang-boss-302.jpg)
BMW 1M
Oh wait...
2012 Hyundai Veloster $17000
1996 GMC Sonoma $1000
2003 Mazda Miata $7000
2011 Yamaha VMAX $20000
1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 $5000
I'd probably give this a thorough checkout:
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=p&car_id=296516779 (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=p&car_id=296516779)
if it were my $50k, then probably:
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=c&car_id=298340293 (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=c&car_id=298340293)
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http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=299014707 (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=299014707)
(http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2009/03/26/16/03/2002_maserati_coupe-pic-46192.jpeg)
screw it...
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=299206860 (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=299206860)
to be honest, I'd probably be leaning more toward the Caddy, though.
Quote from: CJ on May 30, 2011, 09:41:07 PM
Well, I'm in a period of my life where I need something practical...so I chose the Genesis R-Spec. 429 HP!
Bullshit. You're in the only period of your life when you
don't need something practical.
(http://www.rogerscorvette.com/spots/jul08/06z_04762.jpg)
Finish my El Camino with a 572 big block or LS9, Tremec 6 speed, full Detroit Speed suspension or AirRide, custom interior, and paintjob. And maybe a wood bed.
Quote from: Rupert on May 30, 2011, 09:20:31 PM
As always, I would buy a few cars with that kind of money.
Yea I couldn't just do one, or one for the whole budget. That's a good $900/mo for the next 5 years, or less but w/money I could have used eslewhere.
I need my monie FrankiePlus theres so much else to consider. Gas, insurance, maintenance.
Off the top of my head though, if all that shit was not a concern,
Cayman S
E90 M3
E46 M3 + toys
G35 Coupe + Rev Up engine
370Z
NSX
996 Targa
Even allowing for an Australian $50k, the possibilities are endless. The aforementioned Boxster S, an Elise, NSX, Corvette, CLK55, or any number of fabulous older cars. Newness and warranty is boring.
I'd get a new Jeep Wrangler and a '66 Mustang.
Slightly used CTS-V or C6 Z06.
Quote from: gotta-qik-z28 on May 31, 2011, 09:07:47 AM
Slightly used CTS-V or C6 Z06.
I can show you a slightly used CTS-V for $19k
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on May 31, 2011, 09:56:22 AM
I can show you a slightly used CTS-V for $19k
Maybe compared to a million mile Dodge Dart
Quote from: sportyaccordy on May 31, 2011, 10:33:23 AM
Maybe compared to a million mile Dodge Dart
Naw. My good friend is selling it because he cant afford it anymore. It only has 70k, and is in near perfect
condition aside from the letters wearing off the radio buttons. I would buy it in a heartbeat if I could afford the payments. It's so sad so see it sit there in his garage. I drove it once. What an amazing machine.
Damn that sucks. I like the 1st gens, they are really nice if you look past the interior. Though, not sure I'd get one over an older M5
Quote from: sportyaccordy on May 31, 2011, 10:48:43 AM
Damn that sucks. I like the 1st gens, they are really nice if you look past the interior. Though, not sure I'd get one over an older M5
The only part of the interior that you have time to notice when you are driving it is the tachometer, which is perfectly nice to look at. :lol:
Is it an LS6 or LS2 car?
Quote from: 68_427 on May 31, 2011, 10:56:39 AM
Is it an LS6 or LS2 car?
That, I do not recall. My guess would be LS6.
1M :)
It makes me feel like I am single and under 23. LOL.
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(http://www.tonystrackdays.com/custom/images/ARC%20photos/ARC3.jpg)
Quote from: MexicoCityM3 on May 31, 2011, 11:31:35 AM
1M :)
It makes me feel like I am single and under 23. LOL.
We need to talk. I want to hear your thoughts on it so far. Also, what options did you get?
Boss 302
Quote from: MrH on May 31, 2011, 11:41:23 AM
We need to talk. I want to hear your thoughts on it so far. Also, what options did you get?
In Mexico we can only get it in a single configuration which is close to fully loaded including navi, comfort access, headlight assistant, premium sound etc. About the only think missing are heated seats.
I have driven it little so far (about 250 miles) and I am still breaking it in so taking it slightly easy. However this much is clear:
- This car feels much more similar to the E46 M3 than to the E90 M3. It feels as a sports car, civilized but not too much (much less than the E90)
- It packs a big punch down low in the rev range, the exhaust sound is great from the get go, much better than the E90 until the latter gets above 5K RPM.
- Turbo lag is minimal, better than expected but throttle response of course is not as good as in the N/A cars.
- It feels like it wants to bite you any time and get the rears going first (I like that)
- The gearbox, brakes, and steering feel are better than either of the M3s.
- Low speed agility and balance are again, the best of all 3 cars.
- High speed (above 100 MPH) stability is a it less than in the E90.
- The looks IMHO are fantastic, this thing is like a bulldog with its ultra-wide stance.
Pricing here is at 65K which compares very well with the M3 at 90K and the 135i at 50K. 65K wouldn?t even get me into a stripped Boxster/Cayman, so it is basically a no-brainer.
(http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/2000_toyota_mr2_spyder_100000473_m.jpg)
(http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/3283/4641/8207320001_large.jpg)
(http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/200907/ducati-monster-the-c_460x0w.jpg)
It runs about the same price as a stripped Boxster (not the S model) here. I think it's a hell of a steal for the price. I think my only options would be heated seats and satellite radio. Everything else isn't necessary for me.
Glad to hear you like it. I may be joining you at some point with a black one :praise:
A week ago I drove extensively a base pre-facelift Boxster (automatic). What a piece of underpowered crap, stellar handling or not.
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=292092795&dealer_id=51544674&car_year=2007&systime=&doors=&model=GTI&search_lang=en&start_year=1981&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&search_type=both&distance=0&min_price=&rdm=1306866618522&drive=&marketZipError=false&advanced=&fuel=&keywords_display=&sownerid=66415&lastBeginningStartYear=1981&end_year=2012&showZipError=y&make2=&certified=&engine=&dma=ATLANTA_SE&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&body_code=0&transmission=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&color=&address=30324&sort_type=priceDESC&max_price=15000&make=VOLKS&seller_type=b&num_records=25&cardist=507&standard=false
and
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=292589065&dealer_id=478310&car_year=2006&systime=&doors=&model=BOXSTE&search_lang=en&start_year=1981&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&search_type=both&distance=0&min_price=&rdm=1306866985297&drive=&marketZipError=false&advanced=&fuel=&keywords_display=&lastBeginningStartYear=1981&end_year=2012&showZipError=y&make2=&certified=&engine=&dma=ATLANTA_SE&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&body_code=0&transmission=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&color=&address=30324&sort_type=priceDESC&max_price=35000&make=POR&seller_type=b&num_records=25&cardist=1945&standard=false
(I didn't look at the options on those two specific examples, but you get the general idea.)
2010 Mustang Cobra convertible, bright red with white racing stripes, please.
:rockon:
Of course, I say that knowing I just spent close to that on a truck. :lol:
I'll stick with the Vet pick for a new car. But because so many people have listed used I'll add that list. And it's an easy one for me to do
1993-95 RX-7
2009 RX-8 R3
1990 MX-5
I can and will have all three at the same time for much less then $50K
Quote from: Onslaught on May 31, 2011, 03:17:33 PM
I'll stick with the Vet pick for a new car. But because so many people have listed used I'll add that list. And it's an easy one for me to do
1993-95 RX-7
2009 RX-8 R3
1990 MX-5
I can and will have all three at the same time for much less then $50K
My cousin's room mate has a 400hp FD spoilerless and stock everything appearance wise. It sounds nasty at 9500rpm.
Audi tt-s, s4, 335i with sport package, and 1M would high on my shopping list
Quote from: hounddog on May 31, 2011, 02:20:35 PM
2010 Mustang Cobra convertible, bright red with white racing stripes, please.
:rockon:
Of course, I say that knowing I just spent close to that on a truck. :lol:
*cough* Shelby GT500 *cough*
:lol:
Well, it still has the legless reptile adorning it.
Mustang GT. Black or gray with the glass roof.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on May 31, 2011, 09:56:22 AM
I can show you a slightly used CTS-V for $19k
Second gen! LOL!
Quote from: Raza link=topic=24971.msg1525334#msg1525334 date=1306885172
Mustang GT. Black or gray with the glass roof.
Mine would be Grabber Blue. I don't think it looks good at all in pictures, but now that I've seen a few of them in person, I am amazed at how fucking hot they look in this colour.
(http://zippo.sector2.com/pics/10mustang.jpg)
The GT500 looks better though:
(http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezwebin_site/storage/images/buying_guide/ford/mustang/2010_ford_mustang_shelby_gt500_convertible/2010_ford_mustang_shelby_gt500_auto_shows/1876823-2-eng-US/2010_ford_mustang_shelby_gt500_auto_shows_featured_item.jpg)
Except the ugly plastic hood vent thingy.
Quote from: hotrodalex on May 31, 2011, 09:32:58 PM
Except the ugly plastic hood vent thingy.
Even with it, it looks better.
No doubt, the Shelby looks amazing, especially in the flesh.
I'm thinking that with 50k I go for a 2007 STI, a Triumph Street Triple, and some hookers/blow. Not necessarily in that order.
Quote from: SVT666 on May 31, 2011, 09:31:41 PM
Mine would be Grabber Blue. I don't think it looks good at all in pictures, but now that I've seen a few of them in person, I am amazed at how fucking hot they look in this colour.
(http://zippo.sector2.com/pics/10mustang.jpg)
The GT500 looks better though:
(http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezwebin_site/storage/images/buying_guide/ford/mustang/2010_ford_mustang_shelby_gt500_convertible/2010_ford_mustang_shelby_gt500_auto_shows/1876823-2-eng-US/2010_ford_mustang_shelby_gt500_auto_shows_featured_item.jpg)
That sort of blue really is an excellent colour in person. VZ Commodores could be ordered with Turismo Blue, which was a nice change in a sea of metallics:
(http://liveimages.carsales.com.au/private/carpoint/11048471.jpg)
Quote from: omicron on June 01, 2011, 08:30:50 AM
That sort of blue really is an excellent colour in person. VZ Commodores could be ordered with Turismo Blue, which was a nice change in a sea of metallics:
That would be nice to see drive by or in a lot, but having that on something that is a daily driver would get old pretty quickly.
Maybe a weekend car, but definately not a daily driver which most the GTOs here were.
it dawned on me today that had I not bought the Jeep, this thread could be relevant to me... -sigh-
Quote from: r0tor on June 03, 2011, 06:24:16 PM
it dawned on me today that had I not bought the Jeep, this thread could be relevant to me... -sigh-
1M with snow tires is sounding a lot more fun now...
Quote from: MrH on June 03, 2011, 06:25:24 PM
1M with snow tires is sounding a lot more fun now...
Jeep has made me realize I'm too old for that shit
RX8 has no torques, how could it be a handful in the snow :P
Quote from: sportyaccordy on June 04, 2011, 08:19:04 AM
RX8 has no torques, how could it be a handful in the snow :P
Makes up for a lack of torque with short gearing. It's also got fairly wide tires, low weight, a limited slip, and a pretty low polar moment of inertia. I could see that car snapping around on you in the snow.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on June 04, 2011, 08:19:04 AM
RX8 has no torques, how could it be a handful in the snow :P
Short gearing. light weight, RWD
I can't even get out of my driveway when we have a snow here in either of my cars because of the things I listed above. Well, the Miata hasn't really got short gearing.
Fortunately I don't get much snow and even if I did I won't take one of my cars out in it. They salt the roads during that shit.
Quote from: r0tor on June 03, 2011, 08:50:17 PM
Jeep has made me realize I'm too old for that shit
:confused: aren't you under thirty? There's still time to redeem yourself. Sell both cars, get a 1M.
The miata was great in the snow this year. Short wheelbase, LSD, snow tires, and really short gearing makes for fun doriftos!
Quote from: MrH on June 04, 2011, 11:06:48 AM
:confused: aren't you under thirty? There's still time to redeem yourself. Sell both cars, get a 1M.
The miata was great in the snow this year. Short wheelbase, LSD, snow tires, and really short gearing makes for fun doriftos!
Did you ever put the top down while doing snow doriftos? :lol:
That's the one reason I wish I had a cloth top, or even better, a PRHT. I just want to be able to put on a jacket and throw the top down on a really cold night and go drive.
I have. Not supposed to drop the top when it's that cold though. It's not half as enjoyable as it sounds. Especially in cold Ohio.
:(
Quote from: MX793 on June 04, 2011, 08:55:52 AM
Makes up for a lack of torque with short gearing. It's also got fairly wide tires, low weight, a limited slip, and a pretty low polar moment of inertia. I could see that car snapping around on you in the snow.
Spare me your physics talk!
No but for real my friend's S2000 is a handful in the snow so I know how it is. Still though, I wonder how these things would handle on snow tires. Or is that blasphemy....
Quote from: sportyaccordy on June 04, 2011, 09:06:26 PM
Spare me your physics talk!
No but for real my friend's S2000 is a handful in the snow so I know how it is. Still though, I wonder how these things would handle on snow tires. Or is that blasphemy....
:huh: I did great in the miata in snow. If I was just driving around, I kept stability control on, but when I felt like having fun, I turned it off and could drift comfortably wherever I went.
Quote from: MrH on June 04, 2011, 09:10:44 PM
:huh: I did great in the miata in snow. If I was just driving around, I kept stability control on, but when I felt like having fun, I turned it off and could drift comfortably wherever I went.
I'd wager you were on significantly narrower tires than the RX. My 240SX with 195 width all-seasons actually did pretty well in all but the worst weather. Narrow tires helped it bite through the snow.
Quote from: MX793 on June 04, 2011, 09:22:44 PM
I'd wager you were on significantly narrower tires than the RX. My 240SX with 195 width all-seasons actually did pretty well in all but the worst weather. Narrow tires helped it bite through the snow.
Also has a considerably less aggressive suspension tune... AP1s have needlessly stiff setups
Quote from: MrH on June 04, 2011, 11:19:20 AM
I have. Not supposed to drop the top when it's that cold though. It's not half as enjoyable as it sounds. Especially in cold Ohio.
Why aren't you supposed to put the top down when it's cold? I used to drive with the top down in below freezing temperatures all the time.
I don't know about hard tops or cloth, but vinyl gets brittle when cold, and is apt to crack.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=24971.msg1528330#msg1528330 date=1307303945
Why aren't you supposed to put the top down when it's cold? I used to drive with the top down in below freezing temperatures all the time.
I think you're not supposed to lower a power hard top if it's cold. Bad for them or something.
Some materials shrink when it gets cold, and lowering the top could rip/tear it.
Quote from: 68_427 on June 05, 2011, 02:29:49 PM
Some materials shrink when it gets cold, and lowering the top could rip/tear it.
I think that's why you don't put down a PHT too. It's made out of different metals and plastics and they all shrink and expand different. So if it's cold then stuff can go wrong. Or I think that's why anyway.
I'm pretty sure temperature doesn't matter for the PRHT. They just have to be clear of any ice that could jam the motors.
Hmm. Never was an issue.
If it's less than 50 degrees out I have to actually get out of the car and push the window down and try to squish all the vinyl in to get it to latch down since it gets pretty stiff. Above about 60 degrees I don't have to get out of the car because the top is soft enough to latch down by itself.
The hydraulics probably get really viscous, which in turn strains the pump, lines, and fittings. There's lots of plastic parts that get brittle and can break when cold. That's probably the majority of it.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on June 04, 2011, 09:06:26 PM
Spare me your physics talk!
No but for real my friend's S2000 is a handful in the snow so I know how it is. Still though, I wonder how these things would handle on snow tires. Or is that blasphemy....
I did 6 seasons in the RX-8 with snow tires.... its not even in the same league as the Jeep with just normal all seasons. I got extremely tired of all the twitching and bottoming out the RX-8 does with snow tires
This is why you should live in sensible places without silly things like snow.
Quote from: omicron on June 06, 2011, 07:22:37 AM
This is why you should live in sensible places without silly things like snow.
Snow is actually fun to drive in.
Yeah, I love driving in snow. I feel like a rally racer.
Quote from: 2o6 on June 06, 2011, 08:45:41 AM
Snow is actually fun to drive in.
No it's not!
Quote from: 2o6 on June 06, 2011, 08:45:41 AM
Snow is actually fun to drive in.
A little bit of snow is fun to drive in. When it's above the front splitter and you need to get somewhere, it's a bit less fun.
I love taking the Miata out in the church parking lot when it snows.
Yea...6+ inches of snow when your trying to get to work before the plow trucks have done their job sucks...
Well, unless you have a Jeep and then you just sit back and relax
I've been 2ft+ of snow on all seasons. It was fun.
There is a significant difference in fun between driving in the snow for the Hell of it and driving to work and getting there on time
Work can't expect me to be on time in a blizzard. Fuck that noise.
Quote from: r0tor on June 06, 2011, 06:58:57 PM
Yea...6+ inches of snow when your trying to get to work before the plow trucks have done their job sucks...
Well, unless you have a Jeep Audi and then you just sit back and relax
Fixed for ya. :praise:
Quote from: r0tor on June 06, 2011, 08:14:34 PM
There is a significant difference in fun between driving in the snow for the Hell of it and driving to work and getting there on time
I can generally make it, but I say fuck it and work from home. Considering all the idiots out there in SUVs who think they're invincible, my job just isn't worth my life.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=24971.msg1529821#msg1529821 date=1307497073
I can generally make it, but I say fuck it and work from home. Considering all the idiots out there in SUVs who think they're invincible, my job just isn't worth my life.
If you get an SUV, you can be invincible, too. Get a Hummer and be the most invincible one.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on June 07, 2011, 07:50:32 PM
If you get an SUV, you can be invincible, too. Get a Hummer and be the most invincible one.
I would recommend investing in a killdozer. Any muffler shop should be able to build one.
Quote from: 280Z Turbo on June 07, 2011, 11:53:48 PM
I would recommend investing in a killdozer. Any muffler shop should be able to build one.
Most muffler shops can't even weld tubes together properly. A killdozer is a project best undertaken alone. Raza would have done that a long time ago if he wasn't afraid of getting his hands dirty.
Quote from: MX793 on June 06, 2011, 05:36:43 PM
A little bit of snow is fun to drive in. When it's above the front splitter and you need to get somewhere, it's a bit less fun.
Which is why 4x4 diesel is my choice in new vehicle purchase.
Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on June 06, 2011, 08:18:19 PM
Work can't expect me to be on time in a blizzard. Fuck that noise.
Snow actually makes very little noise, fwiw. :huh:
Quote from: hounddog on June 08, 2011, 12:31:17 PM
Snow actually makes very little noise, fwiw. :huh:
It's just an expression. Like "screw that."
Seven $7,142.85 used cars. One for each day of the week! :ohyeah:
With $50k you can buy 100k Yugos
Quote from: Madman on June 12, 2011, 04:43:43 AM
Seven $7,142.85 used cars. One for each day of the week! :ohyeah:
That's my dream, 7 cars, one for each day of the week. They don't have to be expensive ones, just the ones I've always wanted as a kid.
I'm thinking I already got the MKIIII Supra Turbo, Pathfinder for winter beater and C5 Z06
Then add
FD RX7 (10K)
Evo VIII (13K, with highish miles)
996 Carrera 2 (local one selling for 15k)
Honda S2000 (12k)
And it doesn't matter if the FD spends most of it's time with blown apex seals, and the 996 is leaking through its RMS constantly cause I got 5 other cars as backup.
Prob still go with a corvette coupe.
If 4 doors would be preferable prob a 335i
Audi S4 w/no options.
$47,975 - Six speed manual, 333hp supercharged V6 (13 second quarter mile times are quick enough for me), handling worthy of a BMW and all wheel drive helps in the winter as compared to rear-drive competitors (w/snow tires of course). Four doors there if you need to use them, also.
So is this thread rhetorical or are you thinking of getting a new car?
Quote from: Lebowski on June 13, 2011, 05:51:59 AM
So is this thread rhetorical or are you thinking of getting a new car?
A little from column A, a little from column B. :lol:
Quote from: 3.0L V6 on June 12, 2011, 04:51:41 PM
Audi S4 w/no options.
$47,975 - Six speed manual, 333hp supercharged V6 (13 second quarter mile times are quick enough for me), handling worthy of a BMW and all wheel drive helps in the winter as compared to rear-drive competitors (w/snow tires of course). Four doors there if you need to use them, also.
:praise:
If I didn't already have an S4, I think the next cars I'd be looking at are the 335i Coupe and Camaro SS.
Re: Driving in the snow...my S4 is a blast in the snow. I have snow tires for winter so not much trouble with grip. Rear-biased AWD adds to the fun! Only thing that worries me about driving in the snow is other people.
I don't think the type of car you seem to be leaning towards will be as good in the snow as your Miata unless you go with something like the S4 or 335xi. The Miata is small, low powered, perfectly balanced, with relatively narrow tires. All that = instant fun in the snow. Don't bet on the larger, more powerful RWD sports cars/sedans behaving the same way. My uncle eventually sold his 996 after he moved to Wyoming because it was nearly impossible to get up his driveway with snow on the ground.
Quote from: Tave on June 15, 2011, 08:14:58 AM
I don't think the type of car you seem to be leaning towards will be as good in the snow as your Miata unless you go with something like the S4 or 335xi. The Miata is small, low powered, perfectly balanced, with relatively narrow tires. All that = instant fun in the snow. Don't bet on the larger, more powerful RWD sports cars/sedans behaving the same way. My uncle eventually sold his 996 after he moved to Wyoming because it was nearly impossible to get up his driveway with snow on the ground.
Do you guys think skinnier tires are better in the snow??
I have fairly wide winter/snow tires (255) and they seem to be fantastic. Obviously AWD helps, but I can't ever remember feeling that I lacked traction due to the width of the tires? Considering they are winter tires esigned with snow traction in mind...I figured a wider tire would give better traction...?
When I had my Mustang I had 245s for summer and 215s for winter. I went to the 215s after using 225s and I did notice an increase in traction despite the tires being exactly the same model.
Quote from: BimmerM3 on June 08, 2011, 06:08:18 PM
It's just an expression. Like "screw that."
Yes, I know. ;)
Quote from: SJ_GTI on June 15, 2011, 09:11:26 AM
Do you guys think skinnier tires are better in the snow??
The WRC seem to think so....
(http://www.mudsnowandtar.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/20785-e1297692987582.jpg)
Quote from: SJ_GTI on June 15, 2011, 09:11:26 AM
Do you guys think skinnier tires are better in the snow??
I have fairly wide winter/snow tires (255) and they seem to be fantastic. Obviously AWD helps, but I can't ever remember feeling that I lacked traction due to the width of the tires? Considering they are winter tires esigned with snow traction in mind...I figured a wider tire would give better traction...?
Well, it's more about the weight on the contact patch. Your Audi on a 255 width patch might be like a rally car on a 185 width or w/e that is patch, as far as patch pressure goes. Above a certain weight to tire size ratio the tires become unsafe, but yea generally for snow you want to go with as narrow a tire as possible, to "cut" through the snow rather than sit on top of it.
Looking back at my choices... mmm 996 Targa really sounds good. Eff the rest though, except maybe the E46 M3. I like the idea of a 128i w/some upgrades too. I/H/E, LSD, M3 brakes & some kind of spring/shock upgrade. Little lightening up, pretty potent car actually.
Quote from: SJ_GTI on June 15, 2011, 09:11:26 AM
Do you guys think skinnier tires are better in the snow??
I have fairly wide winter/snow tires (255) and they seem to be fantastic. Obviously AWD helps, but I can't ever remember feeling that I lacked traction due to the width of the tires? Considering they are winter tires esigned with snow traction in mind...I figured a wider tire would give better traction...?
Skinny tires float less than larger tires. They result in the vehicle planting more pounds per square inch on the contact points, which allows it to dig into the snow surface better.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on June 15, 2011, 10:23:32 AM
Well, it's more about the weight on the contact patch. Your Audi on a 255 width patch might be like a rally car on a 185 width or w/e that is patch, as far as patch pressure goes. Above a certain weight to tire size ratio the tires become unsafe, but yea generally for snow you want to go with as narrow a tire as possible, to "cut" through the snow rather than sit on top of it.
Contact patch of factory size tires is generally about the size of a sheet of paper folded in half, or, about 3 inches wide. Smaller on smaller tires, I believe.
And, yes, thinner tires do better in deep snow. My understanding of tire physics is that wider tires do better on ice, but, I admit I could be wrong on how I remember that.
Quote from: hounddog on June 15, 2011, 10:30:06 AM
Contact patch of factory size tires is generally about the size of a sheet of paper folded in half, or, about 3 inches wide.
Which means that relatively small changes in tire size can have a relatively large effect on total contact area.
Quote from: Tave on June 15, 2011, 10:33:41 AM
Which means that relatively small changes in tire size can have a relatively large effect on total contact area.
I would say so.
Also, inflation of the tires can change that as well.
eh, why the heck not...
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Quote from: hounddog on June 15, 2011, 10:30:06 AM
Contact patch of factory size tires is generally about the size of a sheet of paper folded in half, or, about 3 inches wide. Smaller on smaller tires, I believe.
And, yes, thinner tires do better in deep snow. My understanding of tire physics is that wider tires do better on ice, but, I admit I could be wrong on how I remember that.
Contact patch size is purely a function of how much the car weighs and what the tire pressure is (plus the stiffness of the tire itself). Basically, regardless of what tires you put on a car, if the pressure is the same then the contact patch area will be the same whether you're running 215 wide tires or 255 wide tires. The difference will be in the shape of the contact patch (long and narrow for a skinny tire vs short and wide for a wider tire).
As far as snow driving goes, as you drive through the snow it has to go somewhere. Either your tire rolls over it (meaning it compacts under the tire, often become ice as it compresses), or it pushes to the sides (and your tire rides on the pavement beneath). Snow will resist being pushed sideways, so the less you have to push it, the better. The wider the tire, the more the snow has to shift sideways to move around the tire and the more likely the tire is to ride up on top of the snow instead of cutting through it.
Used RX-8 and used Z4 3.0i.
Quote from: Raza link=topic=24971.msg1534624#msg1534624 date=1308267104
Used RX-8 and used Z4 3.0i.
Why would you get these two cars when the S2000 is better than both
Then get like a CR-V or something to haul shit. Or since gas mileage is not a concern
Get an old WRX or S4 V8 wagon
Quote from: Raza link=topic=24971.msg1534624#msg1534624 date=1308267104
...used Z4 3.0i.
You know the thought of buying one of these (as a second car) has been rolling around in my head for a few weeks now. I haven't had a convertible since my Z3, but I still miss it on days like today!
Quote from: SJ_GTI on June 17, 2011, 01:04:45 PM
You know the thought of buying one of these (as a second car) has been rolling around in my head for a few weeks now. I haven't had a convertible since my Z3, but I still miss it on days like today!
They are about 1.5x too expensive for what you get. The hardtops are even more expensive.
Quote from: MX793 on June 15, 2011, 09:41:05 PM
Contact patch size is purely a function of how much the car weighs and what the tire pressure is (plus the stiffness of the tire itself). Basically, regardless of what tires you put on a car, if the pressure is the same then the contact patch area will be the same whether you're running 215 wide tires or 255 wide tires. The difference will be in the shape of the contact patch (long and narrow for a skinny tire vs short and wide for a wider tire).
As far as snow driving goes, as you drive through the snow it has to go somewhere. Either your tire rolls over it (meaning it compacts under the tire, often become ice as it compresses), or it pushes to the sides (and your tire rides on the pavement beneath). Snow will resist being pushed sideways, so the less you have to push it, the better. The wider the tire, the more the snow has to shift sideways to move around the tire and the more likely the tire is to ride up on top of the snow instead of cutting through it.
Thanks for reposting what I said and then adding this very long, but very dry, explenation of the same thing.
:lol: :lol:
Quote from: sportyaccordy on June 17, 2011, 02:59:35 PM
They are about 1.5x too expensive for what you get. The hardtops are even more expensive.
They aged sooooo well though.
Quote from: 68_427 on June 17, 2011, 03:00:57 PM
They aged sooooo well though.
I look at them every now and then. But the price makes me wretch
Quote from: SJ_GTI on June 17, 2011, 01:04:45 PM
You know the thought of buying one of these (as a second car) has been rolling around in my head for a few weeks now. I haven't had a convertible since my Z3, but I still miss it on days like today!
I know what you mean.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on June 17, 2011, 06:24:29 AM
Why would you get these two cars when the S2000 is better than both
Then get like a CR-V or something to haul shit. Or since gas mileage is not a concern
Get an old WRX or S4 V8 wagon
Your face, that's why. I see a lot of RX-8s, and I think one of those as a family car is a very interesting proposition. The Z4 3.0i because I would want something German and you all expect the Boxster coming from me.
Quote from: Raza on June 17, 2011, 08:33:44 PM
Your face, that's why. I see a lot of RX-8s, and I think one of those as a family car is a very interesting proposition. The Z4 3.0i because I would want something German and you all expect the Boxster coming from me.
Have you driven S2000
I think it's pretty much perfect for you. Definitely a pure (and endearingly flawed to some degree) driving experience.
RX-8 makes no sense.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on June 17, 2011, 11:16:26 PM
Have you driven S2000
I think it's pretty much perfect for you. Definitely a pure (and endearingly flawed to some degree) driving experience.
RX-8 makes no sense.
Have you ever driven an RX-8?
Quote from: MX793 on June 18, 2011, 07:28:41 AM
Have you ever driven an RX-8?
No but I have driven an S2000. RX-8 from what friends who have driven them have told me are like S2000s with less power, less torque, and half the gas mileage. I know it's a CS favorite, and it does combine a lot of good things, but I don't see the point of one if you can have more than one car.
Probably the best driving 4 seater under $40,000. That's why.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on June 18, 2011, 04:25:34 PM
No but I have driven an S2000. RX-8 from what friends who have driven them have told me are like S2000s with less power, less torque, and half the gas mileage. I know it's a CS favorite, and it does combine a lot of good things, but I don't see the point of one if you can have more than one car.
The difference in power and torque is 5 hp and 3 lb-ft (assuming we're talking about later, 2.2L S2Ks). If your friends can tell that difference through the seats of their pants, they should sell themselves out as portable dynamometers.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on June 18, 2011, 04:25:34 PM
No but I have driven an S2000. RX-8 from what friends who have driven them have told me are like S2000s with less power, less torque, and half the gas mileage. I know it's a CS favorite, and it does combine a lot of good things, but I don't see the point of one if you can have more than one car.
It drives great, has a fixed roof, and has four seats. I actually think that an RX-8 and an S2000 would be a damn near perfect garage for a single guy.
Quote from: MX793 on June 18, 2011, 06:02:03 PM
The difference in power and torque is 5 hp and 3 lb-ft (assuming we're talking about later, 2.2L S2Ks). If your friends can tell that difference through the seats of their pants, they should sell themselves out as portable dynamometers.
The differences on chassis dynos are greater... especially for AP2s
Performance differences are bigger than the numbers suggest too.
Its not a bad car but IMO it has some deep flaws
Quote from: sportyaccordy on June 18, 2011, 08:35:33 PM
The differences on chassis dynos are greater... especially for AP2s
Performance differences are bigger than the numbers suggest too.
Its not a bad car but IMO it has some deep flaws
I agree the RX-8 is deeply flawed, which is why I drive a turbo Volkswagen that's just as quick and gets much better gas mileage and is more practical. But that's because I have to pay for everything in the real world. This is fantasyland.
PS BMW did one hell of a price raise on the 135i to the point where I don't see why the discerning shopper shouldn't just splurge for the 1M. Retarded...
Quote from: Raza on June 18, 2011, 11:11:45 PM
I agree the RX-8 is deeply flawed, which is why I drive a turbo Volkswagen that's just as quick and gets much better gas mileage and is more practical. But that's because I have to pay for everything in the real world. This is fantasyland.
I am gonna pull a sporty and say that w/the right mods, your Jetta could also prob have 90% of the RX-8's sublime handling too
But there's no fix for the RX-8's gas mileage/performance problem.
I like to think about car purchases somewhat in reality as the time is approaching for me to get back into the ownership game. If all the parameters are right... I'm seriously considering a 964 C2. It's now or never
Quote from: sportyaccordy on June 19, 2011, 11:52:30 AM
I am gonna pull a sporty and say that w/the right mods, your Jetta could also prob have 90% of the RX-8's sublime handling too
But there's no fix for the RX-8's gas mileage/performance problem.
I like to think about car purchases somewhat in reality as the time is approaching for me to get back into the ownership game. If all the parameters are right... I'm seriously considering a 964 C2. It's now or never
:facepalm:
So what exactly is wrong with the RX-8's performance?
0-60 in the 6 sec range, 1/4-mile times in the upper 14 sec range, RWD, and by all accounts is a good handler and refined. All that for under $30k? What's wrong with that?
Quote from: sportyaccordy on June 19, 2011, 11:52:30 AM
I am gonna pull a sporty and say that w/the right mods, your Jetta could also prob have 90% of the RX-8's sublime handling too
But there's no fix for the RX-8's gas mileage/performance problem.
I like to think about car purchases somewhat in reality as the time is approaching for me to get back into the ownership game. If all the parameters are right... I'm seriously considering a 964 C2. It's now or never
:facepalm:
So you jizz over Accords yet you can appreciate the RX-8's handling and practicality? WTF is wrong with you?
Quote from: GoCougs on June 19, 2011, 01:43:17 PM
So what exactly is wrong with the RX-8's performance?
0-60 in the 6 sec range, 1/4-mile times in the upper 14 sec range, RWD, and by all accounts is a good handler and refined. All that for under $30k? What's wrong with that?
Nothing, besides the fact that a Mustang GT gets better gas mileage
Typical honduh fanboi speech :rolleyes: :facepalm:
Quote from: sportyaccordy on June 19, 2011, 06:59:04 PM
Nothing, besides the fact that a Mustang GT gets better gas mileage
There's no fix for the 964 C2's gas mileage problem.
Quote from: r0tor on June 21, 2011, 05:49:28 AM
Typical honduh fanboi speech :rolleyes: :facepalm:
The "I can get 90% of the performance by moddin a Jetta" mentality just tells me you don't get it, sporty. Drive an RX-8. It's not about pure skidpad or slalom numbers. The rx-8 is unbelievably well balanced. A very comfortable ride for how well it handles too.
You make it seem like a dog compared to an S2000 too. They're plenty quick, and almost makes identical numbers in terms of power and torque.
Quote from: sportyaccordy on June 19, 2011, 06:59:04 PM
Nothing, besides the fact that a Mustang GT gets better gas mileage
Nobody cares about gas mileage, and there's no way a Mustang GT will get better overall MPG.
Gas millage? We talk'n about gas millage? Gas Millage man
Yes, it's not that great. But most cars in that class don't have great gas millage. Perhaps they have more power but then many of them don't do some of the things as well as the RX-8. So it's a trade.
And if you can't buy gas then you shouldn't buy sports cars. The tires cost over $1000.00 and last for less then 2 years. Everything cost more for sports cars including gas, so if you can't pay then don't play.
"I am gonna pull a sporty and say that w/the right mods, your Jetta could also prob have 90% of the RX-8's sublime handling too"
I'm going to pull a Onslaught and say that it won't. Now I'm not in anyway bashing the Jetta here. It's a fine car and a VW I don't hate.
That's saying something.
But there's a reason that every car magazine has jacked their dicks to the RX-8's handling for 8 years now. Because it really is that good.
It's one of the best handling cars you can buy for less then $50,000.00 after all these years. This isn't some kind of bull shit. It's the truth.
And if I had a friend with a Jetta who mod his car to be at my level then all I'd have to do is mod my RX-8 and then he'd be fucked. So I throw the whole "mod" thing out the window.
Quote from: GoCougs on June 21, 2011, 12:29:45 PM
Nobody cares about gas mileage, and there's no way a Mustang GT will get better overall MPG.
Actually, it does. EPA ratings are higher. C&D's observed fuel economy for the two cars was exactly the same (15 mpg).
Quote from: the Teuton on June 19, 2011, 12:01:19 AM
PS BMW did one hell of a price raise on the 135i to the point where I don't see why the discerning shopper shouldn't just splurge for the 1M. Retarded...
Because there will only be 1000 1Ms and the press from the 1M has probably increased demand for the other 1ers.
Quote from: GoCougs on June 19, 2011, 01:43:17 PM
So what exactly is wrong with the RX-8's performance?
0-60 in the 6 sec range, 1/4-mile times in the upper 14 sec range, RWD, and by all accounts is a good handler and refined. All that for under $30k? What's wrong with that?
It's the performance/gas mileage trade-off for daily driving. Something like a GTI offers a much better package for daily driving, while still being plenty quick and fun to drive.