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Sports coup? with a new boxer engine extends the Porsche range
Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG, Stuttgart will be launching the new Cayman S on November 26, 2005. This sporty two-seater, based on the Boxster series, boasts a newly developed six-cylinder boxer engine with a capacity of 3.4 liters and an output of 295 bhp (217 KW). The assembly delivers an impressive performance: high and constant propulsive power at lower and medium speeds. The sports car?s maximum speed is 275 kph (171 mph). With manual transmission and a centrally placed engine, the Cayman S accelerates from zero to 100 km/h in 5.4 seconds (0-60 mph in 5.1 seconds).
Equipped with Porsche?s VarioCam Plus system for variable intake camshaft control and valve timing, the Cayman S has a torque of 340 Newtonmeters (255 ft. lbs.) with between 4,400 and 6,000 rpm. The VarioCam Plus system was previously reserved for the 911 series. Power transmission is executed via a six-speed gearbox with short, precise shifting travel, which was taken from the Boxster S and further developed. The familiar five-speed Tiptronic S automatic transmission is also available on request, and has rocker switches in the steering wheel spokes for a sports gear shifting operation. The Tiptronic S transmission was refined specifically for the sports coup?, receiving a new electronic and hydraulic control unit.
At first sight, the Cayman S looks likes a typical Porsche sports car. At the same time, however, its autonomous design ensures that it stands out against the Boxster and 911 Carrera. The new front is accentuated by oval main headlamps and distinctive air inlets.
The fog lights integrated in the outside air inlets underline Porsche?s current design philosophy. The low-lying upper windshield sill and the pronounced roof profile accentuate the unique and dynamic front view.
The characteristic silhouette of the Cayman S owes itself to the newly designed coup? line with a long wheelbase, a rear end that falls away gently and side windows that perpetuate the dynamic contours of the sill area. The model?s rear view is defined by a large tailgate, powerfully sweeping fenders and an automatically extending wing. The distinctively styled dual exhaust outlet is located centrally below the fenders. The tailgate has a large upward opening width for loading the 260-liter trunk. The trunk, in conjunction with the front luggage compartment (150 liters) and numerous additional storage compartments, ensures that the two-seater also has high practical value.
The aluminum chassis with a large track emphasizes the sporty, dynamic appearance of the vehicle, which is fitted as standard with 18-inch tires. In combination with Porsche Stability Management (PSM), also a standard feature, the chassis sets a benchmark in the area of driving dynamics and active driving safety. Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM) can be ordered as a option. This system lowers the body ten millimeters closer to the ground and automatically adjusts the suspension ratings to the given road conditions. The driver can select the Normal or Sport programs via a button in the center console.
The basic price for the Cayman S is 50,300 euros. The vehicle costs 58,529 euros in Germany including value added tax and country-specific requirements.
The Cayman S will go on sale in the United States and Canada in mid January of 2006 at a price of $58,900 US.
Beautiful!!!
58K for this car is not bad at all....and I'm sure you would get to sixty faster than 5.1. So you get better than 911 handling, equal or almost equal acceleration, looks just as good....this is an amazing deal.
What gives you the idea that it would outhandle the 911?
QuoteWhat gives you the idea that it would outhandle the 911?
Supposedly it was faster in testing. I still think the price is steep as is the Boxster. I remember when the Boxter first came out it was pretty reasonable priced if I remember correctly. I think a price in the high thirties would be more reasonable but it's a Porsche so oh well.
A $30K Porsche would either be an inferior-quality automobile, or it would cost the brand its exclusivity. It's doing fine the way it is, and even at $60K the Cayman should be a success.
QuoteWhat gives you the idea that it would outhandle the 911?
Mid engine...and plus, it has been running faster laps due to better handling because of increased balance.
QuoteQuoteWhat gives you the idea that it would outhandle the 911?
Mid engine...and plus, it has been running faster laps due to better handling because of increased balance.
Where did you hear this?
QuoteWhat gives you the idea that it would outhandle the 911?
because it's smaller and lighter and mid engine balance should be a factor too, imo.
It seems nice, but I would still prefer a Boxster unless I was buying a dedicated track car.
QuoteQuoteQuoteWhat gives you the idea that it would outhandle the 911?
Mid engine...and plus, it has been running faster laps due to better handling because of increased balance.
Where did you hear this?
About the midengine?
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhat gives you the idea that it would outhandle the 911?
Mid engine...and plus, it has been running faster laps due to better handling because of increased balance.
Where did you hear this?
About the midengine?
No doofus. About the fact that it can handle better than the 911. :lol:
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhat gives you the idea that it would outhandle the 911?
Mid engine...and plus, it has been running faster laps due to better handling because of increased balance.
Where did you hear this?
About the midengine?
No doofus. About the fact that it can handle better than the 911. :lol:
I admit that I do not have a concrete source, but I specifically remember reading that its midengine layout and power almost equatable to a 911 gave it faster handling times than the rear engine 911 Carrera. I'll try to dig out where I read that.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhat gives you the idea that it would outhandle the 911?
Mid engine...and plus, it has been running faster laps due to better handling because of increased balance.
Where did you hear this?
About the midengine?
No doofus. About the fact that it can handle better than the 911. :lol:
I admit that I do not have a concrete source, but I specifically remember reading that its midengine layout and power almost equatable to a 911 gave it faster handling times than the rear engine 911 Carrera. I'll try to dig out where I read that.
Yes, it can probably hang with a base 911, but not an S. The S would probably be able to pull out harder and faster through the turns than the Cayman.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhat gives you the idea that it would outhandle the 911?
Mid engine...and plus, it has been running faster laps due to better handling because of increased balance.
Where did you hear this?
About the midengine?
No doofus. About the fact that it can handle better than the 911. :lol:
I admit that I do not have a concrete source, but I specifically remember reading that its midengine layout and power almost equatable to a 911 gave it faster handling times than the rear engine 911 Carrera. I'll try to dig out where I read that.
Yes, it can probably hang with a base 911, but not an S. The S would probably be able to pull out harder and faster through the turns than the Cayman.
Probably true. I was talking about the regular 911.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhat gives you the idea that it would outhandle the 911?
Mid engine...and plus, it has been running faster laps due to better handling because of increased balance.
Where did you hear this?
About the midengine?
No doofus. About the fact that it can handle better than the 911. :lol:
I admit that I do not have a concrete source, but I specifically remember reading that its midengine layout and power almost equatable to a 911 gave it faster handling times than the rear engine 911 Carrera. I'll try to dig out where I read that.
Yes, it can probably hang with a base 911, but not an S. The S would probably be able to pull out harder and faster through the turns than the Cayman.
Probably true. I was talking about the regular 911.
I'd stilll take a Cayman over an S though.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhat gives you the idea that it would outhandle the 911?
Mid engine...and plus, it has been running faster laps due to better handling because of increased balance.
Where did you hear this?
About the midengine?
No doofus. About the fact that it can handle better than the 911. :lol:
I admit that I do not have a concrete source, but I specifically remember reading that its midengine layout and power almost equatable to a 911 gave it faster handling times than the rear engine 911 Carrera. I'll try to dig out where I read that.
Yes, it can probably hang with a base 911, but not an S. The S would probably be able to pull out harder and faster through the turns than the Cayman.
Probably true. I was talking about the regular 911.
I'd stilll take a Cayman over an S though.
Nothing beats a midengine :praise:
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhat gives you the idea that it would outhandle the 911?
Mid engine...and plus, it has been running faster laps due to better handling because of increased balance.
Where did you hear this?
About the midengine?
No doofus. About the fact that it can handle better than the 911. :lol:
I admit that I do not have a concrete source, but I specifically remember reading that its midengine layout and power almost equatable to a 911 gave it faster handling times than the rear engine 911 Carrera. I'll try to dig out where I read that.
Yes, it can probably hang with a base 911, but not an S. The S would probably be able to pull out harder and faster through the turns than the Cayman.
Probably true. I was talking about the regular 911.
I'd stilll take a Cayman over an S though.
Nothing beats a midengine :praise:
Nothing beats a midengined hardtop Boxter with more horsepower. :praise:
Sounds nice and all, but I will still take a 911 over it any day.
How much more is the 911, $10K? $20K?
Either way, I'd expect to see Corvette vs. 911 comparisons give way to Corvette vs. Cayman, as their pricing looks to be much closer.
Just another car to get confused with the 911 and Boxster... <_< lol
Looks nice! (although it's sort of like Pontiac where more than two of their cars look almost exactly the same [grand am, grand prix, bonneville])
QuoteJust another car to get confused with the 911 and Boxster... <_< lol
Looks nice! (although it's sort of like Pontiac where more than two of their cars look almost exactly the same [grand am, grand prix, bonneville])
You think that the Grand Prix looks like a Bonneville? <_<
QuoteQuoteJust another car to get confused with the 911 and Boxster... <_< lol
Looks nice! (although it's sort of like Pontiac where more than two of their cars look almost exactly the same [grand am, grand prix, bonneville])
You think that the Grand Prix looks like a Bonneville? <_<
Well I mean similar... that trio (Grand Am, Grand Prix, and Bonneville) all sorta look the same...and I don't like it.
QuoteQuoteWhat gives you the idea that it would outhandle the 911?
Supposedly it was faster in testing. I still think the price is steep as is the Boxster. I remember when the Boxter first came out it was pretty reasonable priced if I remember correctly. I think a price in the high thirties would be more reasonable but it's a Porsche so oh well.
If Porsche wants to sell something in the 30K range, it shouldn't be a Boxster type vehicle. It should be a new front engined 9 model. I believe
Automobile suggested a partnership between Porsche and Subaru to build a Porsche 914 and 914S, with a WRX and WRX STi engine. While I may not agree with the powerplant choices and AWD drivetrain configurations, it's a good idea on that level that it's a new, lower priced Porsche.
QuoteQuoteQuoteWhat gives you the idea that it would outhandle the 911?
Supposedly it was faster in testing. I still think the price is steep as is the Boxster. I remember when the Boxter first came out it was pretty reasonable priced if I remember correctly. I think a price in the high thirties would be more reasonable but it's a Porsche so oh well.
If Porsche wants to sell something in the 30K range, it shouldn't be a Boxster type vehicle. It should be a new front engined 9 model. I believe Automobile suggested a partnership between Porsche and Subaru to build a Porsche 914 and 914S, with a WRX and WRX STi engine. While I may not agree with the powerplant choices and AWD drivetrain configurations, it's a good idea on that level that it's a new, lower priced Porsche.
Porsche could make it front-engine, but make it RWD and use their own 2.7l engine (detuend a bit) and then make the WRX engine optional, like an S model. An STi engined car would be stupid, and the $30k car would make more hp than the $60k Cayman S.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhat gives you the idea that it would outhandle the 911?
Supposedly it was faster in testing. I still think the price is steep as is the Boxster. I remember when the Boxter first came out it was pretty reasonable priced if I remember correctly. I think a price in the high thirties would be more reasonable but it's a Porsche so oh well.
If Porsche wants to sell something in the 30K range, it shouldn't be a Boxster type vehicle. It should be a new front engined 9 model. I believe Automobile suggested a partnership between Porsche and Subaru to build a Porsche 914 and 914S, with a WRX and WRX STi engine. While I may not agree with the powerplant choices and AWD drivetrain configurations, it's a good idea on that level that it's a new, lower priced Porsche.
Porsche could make it front-engine, but make it RWD and use their own 2.7l engine (detuend a bit) and then make the WRX engine optional, like an S model. An STi engined car would be stupid, and the $30k car would make more hp than the $60k Cayman S.
They could detune it to where the Legacy is--that way the engine would be under less stress than the 2.0L I4 would be, and still get 23 more horse. But it should be cheap, light, and light on luxury. Leather to keep you in the seats, a 6 speed stick, and that's it. Enough safety to pass regulations, that's all. No complicated electronics, just the basics. Target weight should be around the Miata's 2500.
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It was Motor Trend.
"Porsche 914 STi
Porsche reaches down to grab the Sony PlayStation crowd with this super looooow two-seater powered by the 300-hp turbocharged flat four from the Subaru STi instead of the old air-cooled VW. Priced under $30K, the 914 STi could introduce a whole new generation of buyers to the Porsche brand."
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhat gives you the idea that it would outhandle the 911?
Supposedly it was faster in testing. I still think the price is steep as is the Boxster. I remember when the Boxter first came out it was pretty reasonable priced if I remember correctly. I think a price in the high thirties would be more reasonable but it's a Porsche so oh well.
If Porsche wants to sell something in the 30K range, it shouldn't be a Boxster type vehicle. It should be a new front engined 9 model. I believe Automobile suggested a partnership between Porsche and Subaru to build a Porsche 914 and 914S, with a WRX and WRX STi engine. While I may not agree with the powerplant choices and AWD drivetrain configurations, it's a good idea on that level that it's a new, lower priced Porsche.
Porsche could make it front-engine, but make it RWD and use their own 2.7l engine (detuend a bit) and then make the WRX engine optional, like an S model. An STi engined car would be stupid, and the $30k car would make more hp than the $60k Cayman S.
They could detune it to where the Legacy is--that way the engine would be under less stress than the 2.0L I4 would be, and still get 23 more horse. But it should be cheap, light, and light on luxury. Leather to keep you in the seats, a 6 speed stick, and that's it. Enough safety to pass regulations, that's all. No complicated electronics, just the basics. Target weight should be around the Miata's 2500.
250hp is still less than the Boxter's 240, and the Boxter still costs a lot more.
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It was Motor Trend.
Yuck. looks liek the 612 scaglietti, but bigger. :blink:
It's just a drawing by MT.
It should be faster than the Boxster. It won't handle as well, nor be as stylish. But it should be a stronger performer.
Here's a bigger pic:
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QuoteIt's just a drawing by MT.
It should be faster than the Boxster. It won't handle as well, nor be as stylish. But it should be a stronger performer.
and how do you know all this?
QuoteQuoteIt's just a drawing by MT.
It should be faster than the Boxster. It won't handle as well, nor be as stylish. But it should be a stronger performer.
and how do you know all this?
How do I know all what? It's not a statement of fact, nor even an educated guess. I just think it should be that way--if they make a car like that. I think it's what Porsche should do.
QuoteQuoteQuoteIt's just a drawing by MT.
It should be faster than the Boxster. It won't handle as well, nor be as stylish. But it should be a stronger performer.
and how do you know all this?
How do I know all what? It's not a statement of fact, nor even an educated guess. I just think it should be that way--if they make a car like that. I think it's what Porsche should do.
ahh.. ok...
i personally hope that Porsche doesn't do this. I think they're moving too far downmarket if they build this thing.
If I were to spearhead a front engined Porsche:
2 seat, 2 door coupe (convertible as an option later)
6 speed manual
RWD, no available AWD
Three versions: 929, 929S, 929 Turbo
929
Front engined, RWD coupe
Powerplant: VW sourced 2.0L turbocharged I4, 200HP (as seen in Audi A4)
6 speed manual, 6 speed AT optional
Leather standard, Premium trim optional
CD Player standard, CD Changer optional
Upgraded Stereo optional
Navigation N/A
Target weight: 2300 pounds (2400 AT)
0-60 in 5.9 seconds
MSRP: $32,000 USD
929S
Front engined, RWD coupe
Powerplant: Porsche 2.7L horizontally opposed 6cyl, 225HP
6 speed manual only
Leather standard, Premium trim optional
CD Player standard, CD Changer optional
Upgraded Stereo standard
Navigation optional
Target weight: 2400 pounds
0-60 in 5.4 seconds
MSRP: $36,000 USD
929 Turbo
Front engined, RWD coupe
Powerplant: Fuji sourced horizontally opposed 4cyl, 300HP
6 speed manual only
Premium trim standard
CD Changer standard
Upgraded Stereo standard
Navigation optional
Target weight: 2400 pounds
0-60 in 4.6 seconds
MSRP: $42,000 USD
Quote
929 Turbo
Front engined, RWD coupe
Powerplant: Fuji sourced horizontally opposed 4cyl, 300HP
6 speed manual only
Premium trim standard
CD Changer standard
Upgraded Stereo standard
Navigation optional
Target weight: 2400 pounds
0-60 in 4.6 seconds
MSRP: $42,000 USD
who are you kidding? that's significantly faster than the Boxter S for about $15-20k less!
QuoteQuote
929 Turbo
Front engined, RWD coupe
Powerplant: Fuji sourced horizontally opposed 4cyl, 300HP
6 speed manual only
Premium trim standard
CD Changer standard
Upgraded Stereo standard
Navigation optional
Target weight: 2400 pounds
0-60 in 4.6 seconds
MSRP: $42,000 USD
who are you kidding? that's significantly faster than the Boxter S for about $15-20k less!
Except its not 15-20K less. A Boxster S is about 53K.
QuoteQuote
929 Turbo
Front engined, RWD coupe
Powerplant: Fuji sourced horizontally opposed 4cyl, 300HP
6 speed manual only
Premium trim standard
CD Changer standard
Upgraded Stereo standard
Navigation optional
Target weight: 2400 pounds
0-60 in 4.6 seconds
MSRP: $42,000 USD
who are you kidding? that's significantly faster than the Boxter S for about $15-20k less!
I meant to take nav off...
It's stripped out, and weighs a lot less than the Boxster. It's also not available as a convertible.
How's this, though...
The SLK55 AMG is a hell of a lot faster than an SL500. And also 30K cheaper, at the least. You think it steals sales from the SL?
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929 Turbo
Front engined, RWD coupe
Powerplant: Fuji sourced horizontally opposed 4cyl, 300HP
6 speed manual only
Premium trim standard
CD Changer standard
Upgraded Stereo standard
Navigation optional
Target weight: 2400 pounds
0-60 in 4.6 seconds
MSRP: $42,000 USD
who are you kidding? that's significantly faster than the Boxter S for about $15-20k less!
I meant to take nav off...
It's stripped out, and weighs a lot less than the Boxster. It's also not available as a convertible.
How's this, though...
The SLK55 AMG is a hell of a lot faster than an SL500. And also 30K cheaper, at the least. You think it steals sales from the SL?
That's a bit different. One is a sports car, another is a sports tourer/ GT. We're talking about 2 sports cars here.
QuoteQuoteQuote
929 Turbo
Front engined, RWD coupe
Powerplant: Fuji sourced horizontally opposed 4cyl, 300HP
6 speed manual only
Premium trim standard
CD Changer standard
Upgraded Stereo standard
Navigation optional
Target weight: 2400 pounds
0-60 in 4.6 seconds
MSRP: $42,000 USD
who are you kidding? that's significantly faster than the Boxter S for about $15-20k less!
Except its not 15-20K less. A Boxster S is about 53K.
fine, 11k, and check a couple of option boxes and the price'll be close to $60k in no time.
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929 Turbo
Front engined, RWD coupe
Powerplant:? Fuji sourced horizontally opposed 4cyl, 300HP
6 speed manual only
Premium trim standard
CD Changer standard
Upgraded Stereo standard
Navigation optional
Target weight: 2400 pounds
0-60 in 4.6 seconds
MSRP: $42,000 USD
who are you kidding? that's significantly faster than the Boxter S for about $15-20k less!
I meant to take nav off...
It's stripped out, and weighs a lot less than the Boxster. It's also not available as a convertible.
How's this, though...
The SLK55 AMG is a hell of a lot faster than an SL500. And also 30K cheaper, at the least. You think it steals sales from the SL?
That's a bit different. One is a sports car, another is a sports tourer/ GT. We're talking about 2 sports cars here.
I am sure that they are sometimes crossshopped.
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929 Turbo
Front engined, RWD coupe
Powerplant: Fuji sourced horizontally opposed 4cyl, 300HP
6 speed manual only
Premium trim standard
CD Changer standard
Upgraded Stereo standard
Navigation optional
Target weight: 2400 pounds
0-60 in 4.6 seconds
MSRP: $42,000 USD
who are you kidding? that's significantly faster than the Boxter S for about $15-20k less!
I meant to take nav off...
It's stripped out, and weighs a lot less than the Boxster. It's also not available as a convertible.
How's this, though...
The SLK55 AMG is a hell of a lot faster than an SL500. And also 30K cheaper, at the least. You think it steals sales from the SL?
That's a bit different. One is a sports car, another is a sports tourer/ GT. We're talking about 2 sports cars here.
I am sure that they are sometimes crossshopped.
which are?
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929 Turbo
Front engined, RWD coupe
Powerplant:? Fuji sourced horizontally opposed 4cyl, 300HP
6 speed manual only
Premium trim standard
CD Changer standard
Upgraded Stereo standard
Navigation optional
Target weight: 2400 pounds
0-60 in 4.6 seconds
MSRP: $42,000 USD
who are you kidding? that's significantly faster than the Boxter S for about $15-20k less!
I meant to take nav off...
It's stripped out, and weighs a lot less than the Boxster. It's also not available as a convertible.
How's this, though...
The SLK55 AMG is a hell of a lot faster than an SL500. And also 30K cheaper, at the least. You think it steals sales from the SL?
That's a bit different. One is a sports car, another is a sports tourer/ GT. We're talking about 2 sports cars here.
I am sure that they are sometimes crossshopped.
which are?
SLK and SL.
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929 Turbo
Front engined, RWD coupe
Powerplant: Fuji sourced horizontally opposed 4cyl, 300HP
6 speed manual only
Premium trim standard
CD Changer standard
Upgraded Stereo standard
Navigation optional
Target weight: 2400 pounds
0-60 in 4.6 seconds
MSRP: $42,000 USD
who are you kidding? that's significantly faster than the Boxter S for about $15-20k less!
I meant to take nav off...
It's stripped out, and weighs a lot less than the Boxster. It's also not available as a convertible.
How's this, though...
The SLK55 AMG is a hell of a lot faster than an SL500. And also 30K cheaper, at the least. You think it steals sales from the SL?
That's a bit different. One is a sports car, another is a sports tourer/ GT. We're talking about 2 sports cars here.
Well, since you want to get technical, we're talking about one sports car and one GT. The hypothetical 929 is a fixed roof model.
Of course it's a pipe dream--if I had full control of Porsche, the Boxster would be more powerful and cheaper, the Box S much more powerful and more expensive, the Cayman named differently and either cheaper or with significantly more power. The 911 would have a RWD Turbo model, not just AWD like it is now.
The point should be that the Boxster, though more expensive and slower, is a more refined and razor sharp drive, whereas the 929 is much like the 944 Turbo was--a 9/10 on handling, but this time much more powerful. It's a cut rate M3 killer. It won't appeal to the same group that is buying the Boxster. It's meant to woo Elise buyers. After all, you know what Lotus stands for, right?
Lots of trouble, usually serious. You know what Porsche stands for? Perfection.
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929 Turbo
Front engined, RWD coupe
Powerplant: Fuji sourced horizontally opposed 4cyl, 300HP
6 speed manual only
Premium trim standard
CD Changer standard
Upgraded Stereo standard
Navigation optional
Target weight: 2400 pounds
0-60 in 4.6 seconds
MSRP: $42,000 USD
who are you kidding? that's significantly faster than the Boxter S for about $15-20k less!
I meant to take nav off...
It's stripped out, and weighs a lot less than the Boxster. It's also not available as a convertible.
How's this, though...
The SLK55 AMG is a hell of a lot faster than an SL500. And also 30K cheaper, at the least. You think it steals sales from the SL?
That's a bit different. One is a sports car, another is a sports tourer/ GT. We're talking about 2 sports cars here.
Well, since you want to get technical, we're talking about one sports car and one GT. The hypothetical 929 is a fixed roof model.
Of course it's a pipe dream--if I had full control of Porsche, the Boxster would be more powerful and cheaper, the Box S much more powerful and more expensive, the Cayman named differently and either cheaper or with significantly more power. The 911 would have a RWD Turbo model, not just AWD like it is now.
The point should be that the Boxster, though more expensive and slower, is a more refined and razor sharp drive, whereas the 929 is much like the 944 Turbo was--a 9/10 on handling, but this time much more powerful. It's a cut rate M3 killer. It won't appeal to the same group that is buying the Boxster. It's meant to woo Elise buyers. After all, you know what Lotus stands for, right? Lots of trouble, usually serious. You know what Porsche stands for? Perfection.
Just like to point out that there was a RWD turbocharged 996. It was called the GT2 and had even more power than the regular Turbo model.
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929 Turbo
Front engined, RWD coupe
Powerplant: Fuji sourced horizontally opposed 4cyl, 300HP
6 speed manual only
Premium trim standard
CD Changer standard
Upgraded Stereo standard
Navigation optional
Target weight: 2400 pounds
0-60 in 4.6 seconds
MSRP: $42,000 USD
who are you kidding? that's significantly faster than the Boxter S for about $15-20k less!
I meant to take nav off...
It's stripped out, and weighs a lot less than the Boxster. It's also not available as a convertible.
How's this, though...
The SLK55 AMG is a hell of a lot faster than an SL500. And also 30K cheaper, at the least. You think it steals sales from the SL?
That's a bit different. One is a sports car, another is a sports tourer/ GT. We're talking about 2 sports cars here.
Well, since you want to get technical, we're talking about one sports car and one GT. The hypothetical 929 is a fixed roof model.
Of course it's a pipe dream--if I had full control of Porsche, the Boxster would be more powerful and cheaper, the Box S much more powerful and more expensive, the Cayman named differently and either cheaper or with significantly more power. The 911 would have a RWD Turbo model, not just AWD like it is now.
The point should be that the Boxster, though more expensive and slower, is a more refined and razor sharp drive, whereas the 929 is much like the 944 Turbo was--a 9/10 on handling, but this time much more powerful. It's a cut rate M3 killer. It won't appeal to the same group that is buying the Boxster. It's meant to woo Elise buyers. After all, you know what Lotus stands for, right? Lots of trouble, usually serious. You know what Porsche stands for? Perfection.
i still think the new model would be taking away sales from the Boxter, but if you know what you're saying, then it's your choice. :shrugs:
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929 Turbo
Front engined, RWD coupe
Powerplant: Fuji sourced horizontally opposed 4cyl, 300HP
6 speed manual only
Premium trim standard
CD Changer standard
Upgraded Stereo standard
Navigation optional
Target weight: 2400 pounds
0-60 in 4.6 seconds
MSRP: $42,000 USD
who are you kidding? that's significantly faster than the Boxter S for about $15-20k less!
I meant to take nav off...
It's stripped out, and weighs a lot less than the Boxster. It's also not available as a convertible.
How's this, though...
The SLK55 AMG is a hell of a lot faster than an SL500. And also 30K cheaper, at the least. You think it steals sales from the SL?
That's a bit different. One is a sports car, another is a sports tourer/ GT. We're talking about 2 sports cars here.
Well, since you want to get technical, we're talking about one sports car and one GT. The hypothetical 929 is a fixed roof model.
Of course it's a pipe dream--if I had full control of Porsche, the Boxster would be more powerful and cheaper, the Box S much more powerful and more expensive, the Cayman named differently and either cheaper or with significantly more power. The 911 would have a RWD Turbo model, not just AWD like it is now.
The point should be that the Boxster, though more expensive and slower, is a more refined and razor sharp drive, whereas the 929 is much like the 944 Turbo was--a 9/10 on handling, but this time much more powerful. It's a cut rate M3 killer. It won't appeal to the same group that is buying the Boxster. It's meant to woo Elise buyers. After all, you know what Lotus stands for, right? Lots of trouble, usually serious. You know what Porsche stands for? Perfection.
Just like to point out that there was a RWD turbocharged 996. It was called the GT2 and had even more power than the regular Turbo model.
Not the same thing. I meant a RWD Turbo, with the same power as the AWD Turbo, just a bit cheaper. The GT2 also had no rear seats.
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929 Turbo
Front engined, RWD coupe
Powerplant: Fuji sourced horizontally opposed 4cyl, 300HP
6 speed manual only
Premium trim standard
CD Changer standard
Upgraded Stereo standard
Navigation optional
Target weight: 2400 pounds
0-60 in 4.6 seconds
MSRP: $42,000 USD
who are you kidding? that's significantly faster than the Boxter S for about $15-20k less!
I meant to take nav off...
It's stripped out, and weighs a lot less than the Boxster. It's also not available as a convertible.
How's this, though...
The SLK55 AMG is a hell of a lot faster than an SL500. And also 30K cheaper, at the least. You think it steals sales from the SL?
That's a bit different. One is a sports car, another is a sports tourer/ GT. We're talking about 2 sports cars here.
Well, since you want to get technical, we're talking about one sports car and one GT. The hypothetical 929 is a fixed roof model.
Of course it's a pipe dream--if I had full control of Porsche, the Boxster would be more powerful and cheaper, the Box S much more powerful and more expensive, the Cayman named differently and either cheaper or with significantly more power. The 911 would have a RWD Turbo model, not just AWD like it is now.
The point should be that the Boxster, though more expensive and slower, is a more refined and razor sharp drive, whereas the 929 is much like the 944 Turbo was--a 9/10 on handling, but this time much more powerful. It's a cut rate M3 killer. It won't appeal to the same group that is buying the Boxster. It's meant to woo Elise buyers. After all, you know what Lotus stands for, right? Lots of trouble, usually serious. You know what Porsche stands for? Perfection.
Just like to point out that there was a RWD turbocharged 996. It was called the GT2 and had even more power than the regular Turbo model.
Not the same thing. I meant a RWD Turbo, with the same power as the AWD Turbo, just a bit cheaper. The GT2 also had no rear seats.
Chances are the people that would look at a rwd 911 turbo would be enthuisists and would therefore appreciate the extra power and not mind paying for it. However, I get what you are getting at, with as many variants as they had would it have been that hard to just adapt the drivetrain of the GT2 and keep the rest of the car the same as the regular Turbo in both power and price. Oh yeah, I think the deletion of the rear seats is probably pretty much a non issue for 911 buyers as they are too small to be of much use anyway.
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929 Turbo
Front engined, RWD coupe
Powerplant:? Fuji sourced horizontally opposed 4cyl, 300HP
6 speed manual only
Premium trim standard
CD Changer standard
Upgraded Stereo standard
Navigation optional
Target weight: 2400 pounds
0-60 in 4.6 seconds
MSRP: $42,000 USD
who are you kidding? that's significantly faster than the Boxter S for about $15-20k less!
I meant to take nav off...
It's stripped out, and weighs a lot less than the Boxster. It's also not available as a convertible.
How's this, though...
The SLK55 AMG is a hell of a lot faster than an SL500. And also 30K cheaper, at the least. You think it steals sales from the SL?
That's a bit different. One is a sports car, another is a sports tourer/ GT. We're talking about 2 sports cars here.
Well, since you want to get technical, we're talking about one sports car and one GT. The hypothetical 929 is a fixed roof model.
Of course it's a pipe dream--if I had full control of Porsche, the Boxster would be more powerful and cheaper, the Box S much more powerful and more expensive, the Cayman named differently and either cheaper or with significantly more power. The 911 would have a RWD Turbo model, not just AWD like it is now.
The point should be that the Boxster, though more expensive and slower, is a more refined and razor sharp drive, whereas the 929 is much like the 944 Turbo was--a 9/10 on handling, but this time much more powerful. It's a cut rate M3 killer. It won't appeal to the same group that is buying the Boxster. It's meant to woo Elise buyers. After all, you know what Lotus stands for, right? Lots of trouble, usually serious. You know what Porsche stands for? Perfection.
Just like to point out that there was a RWD turbocharged 996. It was called the GT2 and had even more power than the regular Turbo model.
Correct, but it is not known as a Porshe 911 Turbo, but rather a Porsche 911 GT2.
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929 Turbo
Front engined, RWD coupe
Powerplant: Fuji sourced horizontally opposed 4cyl, 300HP
6 speed manual only
Premium trim standard
CD Changer standard
Upgraded Stereo standard
Navigation optional
Target weight: 2400 pounds
0-60 in 4.6 seconds
MSRP: $42,000 USD
who are you kidding? that's significantly faster than the Boxter S for about $15-20k less!
I meant to take nav off...
It's stripped out, and weighs a lot less than the Boxster. It's also not available as a convertible.
How's this, though...
The SLK55 AMG is a hell of a lot faster than an SL500. And also 30K cheaper, at the least. You think it steals sales from the SL?
That's a bit different. One is a sports car, another is a sports tourer/ GT. We're talking about 2 sports cars here.
Well, since you want to get technical, we're talking about one sports car and one GT. The hypothetical 929 is a fixed roof model.
Of course it's a pipe dream--if I had full control of Porsche, the Boxster would be more powerful and cheaper, the Box S much more powerful and more expensive, the Cayman named differently and either cheaper or with significantly more power. The 911 would have a RWD Turbo model, not just AWD like it is now.
The point should be that the Boxster, though more expensive and slower, is a more refined and razor sharp drive, whereas the 929 is much like the 944 Turbo was--a 9/10 on handling, but this time much more powerful. It's a cut rate M3 killer. It won't appeal to the same group that is buying the Boxster. It's meant to woo Elise buyers. After all, you know what Lotus stands for, right? Lots of trouble, usually serious. You know what Porsche stands for? Perfection.
Just like to point out that there was a RWD turbocharged 996. It was called the GT2 and had even more power than the regular Turbo model.
Not the same thing. I meant a RWD Turbo, with the same power as the AWD Turbo, just a bit cheaper. The GT2 also had no rear seats.
Chances are the people that would look at a rwd 911 turbo would be enthuisists and would therefore appreciate the extra power and not mind paying for it. However, I get what you are getting at, with as many variants as they had would it have been that hard to just adapt the drivetrain of the GT2 and keep the rest of the car the same as the regular Turbo in both power and price. Oh yeah, I think the deletion of the rear seats is probably pretty much a non issue for 911 buyers as they are too small to be of much use anyway.
True--unless you have kids, back seats are useless. I have useless backseats and I have a sedan. However, rear seats are great for one great purpose--it's a leather covered parcel shelf. A place to put your briefcase or what not. Sure, in an extreme model like the GT2, it's unnecessary weight--but in a Turbo, which is meant to replace your daily driver, it's a good addition.
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929 Turbo
Front engined, RWD coupe
Powerplant: Fuji sourced horizontally opposed 4cyl, 300HP
6 speed manual only
Premium trim standard
CD Changer standard
Upgraded Stereo standard
Navigation optional
Target weight: 2400 pounds
0-60 in 4.6 seconds
MSRP: $42,000 USD
who are you kidding? that's significantly faster than the Boxter S for about $15-20k less!
I meant to take nav off...
It's stripped out, and weighs a lot less than the Boxster. It's also not available as a convertible.
How's this, though...
The SLK55 AMG is a hell of a lot faster than an SL500. And also 30K cheaper, at the least. You think it steals sales from the SL?
That's a bit different. One is a sports car, another is a sports tourer/ GT. We're talking about 2 sports cars here.
Well, since you want to get technical, we're talking about one sports car and one GT. The hypothetical 929 is a fixed roof model.
Of course it's a pipe dream--if I had full control of Porsche, the Boxster would be more powerful and cheaper, the Box S much more powerful and more expensive, the Cayman named differently and either cheaper or with significantly more power. The 911 would have a RWD Turbo model, not just AWD like it is now.
The point should be that the Boxster, though more expensive and slower, is a more refined and razor sharp drive, whereas the 929 is much like the 944 Turbo was--a 9/10 on handling, but this time much more powerful. It's a cut rate M3 killer. It won't appeal to the same group that is buying the Boxster. It's meant to woo Elise buyers. After all, you know what Lotus stands for, right? Lots of trouble, usually serious. You know what Porsche stands for? Perfection.
Just like to point out that there was a RWD turbocharged 996. It was called the GT2 and had even more power than the regular Turbo model.
Not the same thing. I meant a RWD Turbo, with the same power as the AWD Turbo, just a bit cheaper. The GT2 also had no rear seats.
Chances are the people that would look at a rwd 911 turbo would be enthuisists and would therefore appreciate the extra power and not mind paying for it. However, I get what you are getting at, with as many variants as they had would it have been that hard to just adapt the drivetrain of the GT2 and keep the rest of the car the same as the regular Turbo in both power and price. Oh yeah, I think the deletion of the rear seats is probably pretty much a non issue for 911 buyers as they are too small to be of much use anyway.
True--unless you have kids, back seats are useless. I have useless backseats and I have a sedan. However, rear seats are great for one great purpose--it's a leather covered parcel shelf. A place to put your briefcase or what not. Sure, in an extreme model like the GT2, it's unnecessary weight--but in a Turbo, which is meant to replace your daily driver, it's a good addition.
Correct me if I am wrong (and I might be, I have never seen a GT3 or GT2 in person), but don't those two cars have the same amount of luggage space (probably more) as a regular 911? And, unless your kids are very small, the rear seats are completely useless for anything except holding a brief case etc.
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929 Turbo
Front engined, RWD coupe
Powerplant: Fuji sourced horizontally opposed 4cyl, 300HP
6 speed manual only
Premium trim standard
CD Changer standard
Upgraded Stereo standard
Navigation optional
Target weight: 2400 pounds
0-60 in 4.6 seconds
MSRP: $42,000 USD
who are you kidding? that's significantly faster than the Boxter S for about $15-20k less!
I meant to take nav off...
It's stripped out, and weighs a lot less than the Boxster. It's also not available as a convertible.
How's this, though...
The SLK55 AMG is a hell of a lot faster than an SL500. And also 30K cheaper, at the least. You think it steals sales from the SL?
That's a bit different. One is a sports car, another is a sports tourer/ GT. We're talking about 2 sports cars here.
Well, since you want to get technical, we're talking about one sports car and one GT. The hypothetical 929 is a fixed roof model.
Of course it's a pipe dream--if I had full control of Porsche, the Boxster would be more powerful and cheaper, the Box S much more powerful and more expensive, the Cayman named differently and either cheaper or with significantly more power. The 911 would have a RWD Turbo model, not just AWD like it is now.
The point should be that the Boxster, though more expensive and slower, is a more refined and razor sharp drive, whereas the 929 is much like the 944 Turbo was--a 9/10 on handling, but this time much more powerful. It's a cut rate M3 killer. It won't appeal to the same group that is buying the Boxster. It's meant to woo Elise buyers. After all, you know what Lotus stands for, right? Lots of trouble, usually serious. You know what Porsche stands for? Perfection.
Just like to point out that there was a RWD turbocharged 996. It was called the GT2 and had even more power than the regular Turbo model.
Not the same thing. I meant a RWD Turbo, with the same power as the AWD Turbo, just a bit cheaper. The GT2 also had no rear seats.
Chances are the people that would look at a rwd 911 turbo would be enthuisists and would therefore appreciate the extra power and not mind paying for it. However, I get what you are getting at, with as many variants as they had would it have been that hard to just adapt the drivetrain of the GT2 and keep the rest of the car the same as the regular Turbo in both power and price. Oh yeah, I think the deletion of the rear seats is probably pretty much a non issue for 911 buyers as they are too small to be of much use anyway.
True--unless you have kids, back seats are useless. I have useless backseats and I have a sedan. However, rear seats are great for one great purpose--it's a leather covered parcel shelf. A place to put your briefcase or what not. Sure, in an extreme model like the GT2, it's unnecessary weight--but in a Turbo, which is meant to replace your daily driver, it's a good addition.
Correct me if I am wrong (and I might be, I have never seen a GT3 or GT2 in person), but don't those two cars have the same amount of luggage space (probably more) as a regular 911? And, unless your kids are very small, the rear seats are completely useless for anything except holding a brief case etc.
Dude, the GT3 and GT2 are incredibly impressive in person--you wouldn't think so.
But yeah, the luggage space is the same.
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True--unless you have kids, back seats are useless. I have useless backseats and I have a sedan. However, rear seats are great for one great purpose--it's a leather covered parcel shelf. A place to put your briefcase or what not.
Yeah, same goes for me. That's what the Audi's rear seats do. Because trunks and messenger bags don't seem to get along very well.
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True--unless you have kids, back seats are useless. I have useless backseats and I have a sedan. However, rear seats are great for one great purpose--it's a leather covered parcel shelf. A place to put your briefcase or what not.
Yeah, same goes for me. That's what the Audi's rear seats do. Because trunks and messenger bags don't seem to get along very well.
Plus, my messenger bag slides all over the damn place in the trunk--that's the one bad thing about a boot that's bigger than the one on an A8, small things slide.
You know, every once in a while, I think we might be the same person. Then I remember that you're crazy.
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True--unless you have kids, back seats are useless. I have useless backseats and I have a sedan. However, rear seats are great for one great purpose--it's a leather covered parcel shelf. A place to put your briefcase or what not.
Yeah, same goes for me. That's what the Audi's rear seats do. Because trunks and messenger bags don't seem to get along very well.
Plus, my messenger bag slides all over the damn place in the trunk--that's the one bad thing about a boot that's bigger than the one on an A8, small things slide.
You know, every once in a while, I think we might be the same person. Then I remember that you're crazy.
LOL! :lol: :lol: